But Murphy said we should be happy to pay

From Patch:

Wyckoff Rep. Sounds Alarm On ‘Exodus’ Of Jobs, People From New Jersey

Fifth District Rep. Josh Gottheimer is sounding the alarm on what he said is an “exodus” of jobs and people from New Jersey.

In his State of the District address on Feb. 15, the congressman asked the question: “Will we build on our great history, and our strengths, and the values we celebrate, or will we let other states pass us by and steal our jobs and tax dollars?”

“Will we make life more affordable,” Gottheimer continued, “or will people and businesses keep packing up to study, work and retire elsewhere?”

New Jersey, according to the U.S. Census, lost more residents (-64,231) to other states over the past year than any other state, except for California, New York and Illinois. 

Gottheimer identified the “exodus” of people and jobs to other states as one of his five key points for a “stronger, tougher” Fifth District in his State of the District address.

He said, in the address, that in order to compete with the rest of the country and help people stay in New Jersey, the state needs to make life more affordable for residents, and draw more good-paying jobs and businesses. 

Of all 50 states, New Jersey, according to the Tax Foundation, has the highest business income tax in the nation, and ranks third-worst for individual taxes, and sixth-worst for property taxes, the congressman cited. In addition, the tax structure ranks worst in the country for retirees, he said. 

“These stats aren’t exactly something you put on a recruitment bumper sticker to attract young families and retirees — or new businesses, and the jobs that come with them,” Gottheimer said. 

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35 Responses to But Murphy said we should be happy to pay

  1. dentss dunnigan says:

    first

  2. Hold my beer says:

    High taxes are the price you have to pay to live in a wonderland like New Jersey.

  3. Jucie Box says:

    Saudi LIV golf had almost zero television viewers over the weekend at their season opener in Mexico on the CW Network.

    Their golfers get guaranteed money. With no cuts, finishing in last place still nets a player $120,000, which is a pretty terrific payday to be taking home for 14 tournaments 1.68 million to finish last. Their top players like Mickelson are guaranteed $200 million.

    https://frontofficesports.com/cracks-in-liv-golf-pif-pga-tour/

  4. Juice Box says:

    My taxes went up $$$$…this year town added $220,000 to my assessment. That is half the median price of a home, and there is no way I am getting what they assessed me for either.

  5. Libturd says:

    Highlights from my son’s big win last night.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lm4dWSk7MQ

  6. leftwing says:

    Nice win Lib. Watched to the end of the second. Was trying to pick out your voice especially when you guys got hit with a dubious penalty LOL. Also glad to hear the goalie had a good thrid and shootout, needed some confidence building after that second goal, eek. Upward and onward! What, one game away from the Pru? Keep posting. GL!!

  7. Fast Eddie says:

    New Jersey, according to the U.S. Census, lost more residents (-64,231) to other states over the past year than any other state, except for California, New York and Illinois.

    Of all 50 states, New Jersey, according to the Tax Foundation, has the highest business income tax in the nation, and ranks third-worst for individual taxes, and sixth-worst for property taxes, the congressman cited.

    I’ll take blue states for $1,000, Alex.

    It’s quite obvious what the solution is; we need to fund committees to study how we can tax producers and earners in order to achieve greater equity for all.

  8. leftwing says:

    “It’s quite obvious what the solution is; we need to fund committees to study how we can tax producers and earners in order to achieve greater equity for all.”

    Funny how solving affordability in a Blue State always seems to resolve with taxing the citizenry more and then the politicians and intellectuals look like confused dogs when that action accelerates the events they intend to corral.

    Gottheimer is alright, he’s a frequent guest on CNBC and seems reasonable enough, again for a deep Blue State politician. Problem is that he will be hostage to his Party – especially if/when he wants to advance to a higher profile within – so counting on even a well intentioned person like him won’t solve any issue.

  9. 3b says:

    Fast: NJ is only losing the losers, not the high income, educated, sophisticated, special people. Only the best of the best can live here. Let those unwashed losers leave our wonderful state.

  10. SmallGovConservative says:

    Fast Eddie says:
    February 27, 2023 at 8:55 am
    “Fast Eddie says:
    February 27, 2023 at 8:55 am
    New Jersey [blue], according to the U.S. Census, lost more residents (-64,231) to other states over the past year than any other state, except for California [blue], New York [blue] and Illinois [blue].”

    Haha! Can’t wait to see how the stooges explain this. And if anyone thinks this is going to change anytime soon, remember that Murphy has already ballooned NJ’s budget from $35Billion to $50Billion in just 5 years.

  11. Chicago says:

    Stu: that package is awesome. Congrats on the win. A real mitzvah. Your goalie in a mensch.

    Libturd says:
    February 27, 2023 at 7:51 am
    Highlights from my son’s big win last night.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lm4dWSk7MQ

  12. leftwing says:

    Closed more of my SPOT shorts…eight bucks on 124 in a couple weeks, 6% or so…need to spend more time finding new opportunities, long or short. Cupboards getting bare.

  13. Chicago says:

    Height / weight?

  14. Fast Eddie says:

    Listen, if taxes are your problem, NJ is not your state. Gee, NJ is going to be beautiful in 20 years; the riff raff will cease to exist and paying 45K in property taxes for a 3/1.5 cape will be revered like no other symbol of distinction!

  15. leftwing says:

    Stu, nice LOL.

  16. Libturd says:

    Ryan’s 6’0 170, but still growing.

    He’s a defensive defenseman, though he can play offense as well and would easily be 4th on the team on offense, but likes to be their #1 defensemen because he likes to play the whole game. Plus, besides one freshman, no one else on the team can play it.

  17. Fast Eddie says:

    Of all 50 states, New Jersey, according to the Tax Foundation, has the highest business income tax in the nation, and ranks third-worst for individual taxes, and sixth-worst for property taxes, the congressman cited. In addition, the tax structure ranks worst in the country for retirees, he said.

    3rd grade teachers shouldn’t be making $105,000 per year. Norwood, Northvale and Rockleigh don’t need separate police forces where the Chief of Police for each town is making $175,000. Fix it, you f.ucking spineless, ball-less grifter douche bags.

  18. Fast Eddie says:

    Chief of Police, Norwood:

    Jeffrey Krapels
    Total pay: $208,240
    Salary: $192,309
    Additional pay: $15,931

    I was off… fucking way off. I was taking a wild guess. If’s fucking pathetic. This is an example. Multiply it by 560 districts across the state.

  19. Fast Eddie says:

    Rockleigh, where nothing happens:

    William Essmann
    Total pay: $256,104
    Salary: $135,989
    Additional pay: $120,115

  20. leftwing says:

    “Multiply it by 560 districts across the state.”

    And at least 2.0x….last time I was in FL went to small place I like, two of us eating at the bar, this guy was from elsewhere (not Northeast or FL, don’t recall) but his brother and nephew are in NJ (kid actually plays hockey) and his other brother retired a cop job up there.

    He was incredulous, but happy for his brother, as he ‘was pulling down two and half pensions’ while living down here.

    That dude can be happy it’s his family…you Blue State schmucks are paying for that.

  21. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Called a disease…glad people are waking up to it. It’s rather pathetic. Hurting yourself over money you will never need.

    “I never understood why rich people restrict where they live to avoid paying taxes. Imagine having to count how many days you can spend in a city or state when you have much more than you need, e.g., missing a wedding or special occasion. You become a prisoner of wealth.”

    https://twitter.com/billackman/status/1629935830348230656?s=46&t=14St-_NIFO-fcd-jmtXqNQ

  22. Mike S says:

    The amount of houses that now have $30K taxes on a house for $900K is insane… thats like $50K pre tax – add in the 7% mortgage rates… should be interesting going forward!

  23. Phoenix says:

    NJ Republicans overwhelmingly approve of police and their unions.

    So you blue state schmucks can thank the red voters for this.

    leftwing says:
    February 27, 2023 at 11:37 am
    “Multiply it by 560 districts across the state.”

    And at least 2.0x….last time I was in FL went to small place I like, two of us eating at the bar, this guy was from elsewhere (not Northeast or FL, don’t recall) but his brother and nephew are in NJ (kid actually plays hockey) and his other brother retired a cop job up there.

    He was incredulous, but happy for his brother, as he ‘was pulling down two and half pensions’ while living down here.

  24. Phoenix says:

    Joyce,
    Thanks for the vid the other day. Interesting to say the least.

    Lib,
    Saw some of that game, great job by your kid and the rest of the team.

    50 degrees outside now. Snow tonight.
    NJ weather is strange.

  25. leftwing says:

    “NJ Republicans overwhelmingly approve of police and their unions.”

    Yeah, pretty certain the pension shitshow resides mostly on one side of the aisle.

    Keep paying up buddy…you know I have empathy and no malice toward you given too many of our common misfortunes…forgot how old your daughter is but you’re insane if you spend one more day there than necessary once she hits June of her senior year…head somewhere she would want to visit you from college…so long as you don’t bring NJ liberal bullshit society destroying politics with you to your new locale…

    The tax savings alone will allow you to get a place with an extra BR for her when she visits and more than a handful of R/T air tickets…

    You’re lucky, your career is incredibly mobile with, what I would suspect, not a major discount to total comp by geography certainly relative to COL…

  26. Phoenix says:

    Won’t be staying here. I have years to go.

    And by the way I have taken the test. Results say that I am a moderate Republican.

  27. chicagofinance says:

    McDonald’s expands Krispy Kreme test to more Kentucky locations

  28. trick says:

    Finally going to get some snow, just pulled the blower out from the shed. Lets see how it works after 20 years of use, each year is blessing.

  29. Libturd says:

    Trick,
    Small engine machines can work forever with the proper maintenance, all that really means is clean the air filter, change the oil, lube moving parts and rebuild the carb once a decade.

    I have a weedwacker from the early 1980s that still starts on the 1st pull. It’s been in annual use, nearly every other week, for forty years.

  30. MonthlyNut IsWhatMatter says:

    Leftwing,

    Is generally the republican towns and areas that want to continue the present system and with all its problems and benefits.

    For the sake of argument let’s take 3 random upper class towns. Franklin Lakes, Livingston, Bernards Township.

    -The NJ way – in all 3 towns you pay a premium to buy into the public school and public safety system. Key word is public with its attendant elections, politics, taxes and benefits that it pays.

    -The FL,TX,AZ way – pick 3 private upper class development in a county that provides basic services. Key word is private. You want better public safety – the developments are gated with private security and hire Rural Metro for Fire and Medical response. You want better schools – pay for private school of your choice.

    I can foresee some elected official walking into Rutgers and pulling out the multitude of studies done on municipal consolidations. If I remember correctly 20 yrs ago the most efficient size is a population of ~110,000.

    Just realize that if you get a county based system (like in TX, FL, etc), the likes of Alpine will create a HOA and gate what was the town overnight. Over a few years the schools will be atrocious as everyone that can go private will have done so – think Englewood, where the conservative jewish community controls the towns and it makes sure they don’t spend anything but the minimum on school because they send their kids to religious school, everyone else sends to private if they can afford it.

    At the end of the day. The monthly nut for the lifestyle is likely to be the same. Sort of what Musk recently pulled with dropping Tesla’s price, but if you are financing, the rates went up several percentage point and it all comes out at the same monthly nut.

  31. trick says:

    I did replace the carb a couple of years ago after it was shooting flames out of the exhaust and have extra belts, which is amazing I have never had to replace.

  32. leftwing says:

    “And by the way I have taken the test. Results say that I am a moderate Republican.”

    I can see that, easily. Can’t see, with or without that, how you defend NJ budget.

    “The NJ way – in all 3 towns you pay a premium to buy into the public school and public safety system. Key word is public with its attendant elections, politics, taxes and benefits that it pays.”

    Yes and no.

    Agree that in NJ unlike FL, and I’ll take your word TX, we have ‘public fences’.

    Disagree vehemently that they have to cost what they do.

    No reason these towns need a paid FD, with three layers of ‘captains’ and administration. No reason these towns need paid ‘public servants’ like mayors and councils. Many towns do not, and both those functions are volunteer.

    And absolutely no reason for the police and schools to have these pension and benefit structures, especially when huge amounts of salary and ensuing benefits are for, again, ‘administration’.

    Home rule is not the problem…no way I would want Short Hills local decisions and considerations merged with most of the towns to the east. The problem is in the manner in which any of these civic employees is remunerated and the sheer number of them that exist, and that are non-productive.

    I could easily sketch out a scenario where many of these higher end 10k population towns would be wildly screwed by consolidation…currently their fire and government is essentially free of labor and pension expense…merge or move it to the county level and they’ll now get ‘consolidated’ coverage and assessed a pro-rata amount…and, btw, your stoned if you think, for example, many of those existing firehouses would be shut down…the people populating them would instead be just like the police forces in these towns…’retired’ 40-somethings from worse locations grabbing an outsized paycheck for the role and, in the case of the FDs, for what was previously done for no labor cost. And, of course, the ‘professionals’ would find all sorts of deficiencies in equipment and lo and behold these citizens will start paying for the latest, greatest, and most costly equipment they never had, never needed, and never missed.

    Only in a deep Blue State like NJ can a government expense and responsiveness issue be considered solved by moving government further away from the citizens financing it….

  33. BRT says:

    Admin is so top heavy in every district. Part of this is Christie’s fault, as when he freed up money via health insurance contributions, school districts immediately created another set of BS positions like Assistant Business Admin and Director of Curriculum. Just merging two neighboring towns could free up millions of dollars a year. Supervisors should be eliminated. In the old days, the supervisor still taught 1 or 2 classes. Then we had 1 science supervisor. Special ed laws are out of control in this state making it the largest department in every district by far.

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