From the NYT:
Ringwood, N.J.: A Rural Lifestyle 40 Miles From New York City
With its wooded hills, winding roads and shimmering lakes and reservoirs, Ringwood, N.J., feels more like the Catskills than like a New Jersey suburb. That rural charm was what attracted Linda and James Pentifallo when they decided to leave their longtime home in River Edge, in Bergen County.
“My wife really wanted to be on a lake, but I thought, ‘We’re not going to be able to afford that,’” said Mr. Pentifallo, 64, the owner of the Ridgefield Hobby store in Ridgefield, N.J.
Earlier this year, however, they bought a three-bedroom log cabin on Cupsaw Lake — one of several lakes in Ringwood — for $599,000. Their new home reminds Ms. Pentifallo, 65, a retired office manager, of the lakefront cabin her family owned in the Adirondacks.
“We go out on the deck and have a cocktail and enjoy the view,” Mr. Pentifallo said. “What’s great about Ringwood is its location: You’re in the country, and yet you’re not far from the city.”
Orly Steinberg, an agent with Keller Williams Village Square Realty in Ridgewood, said that many buyers start out searching in pricier northern New Jersey towns, only to realize that “they can afford a nice house and get more bang for their buck” in Ringwood. Others, she said, discover the borough during weekend outdoor adventures.
“During the pandemic, 30 percent of our clients came out of the city,” said Ms. Steinberg, a longtime Ringwood resident. “Everybody was hiking the trails. That brought people up, and a lot of them bought permanent homes, and some weekend homes.”
$640!?!
$640? I’m not catching the significance, too early. Explain.
Figure some may appreciate this – NYT on a roll today:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/02/movies/in-the-court-of-the-crimson-king-king-crimson-at-50-review.html
$640? I’m not catching the significance, too early. Explain.
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For a long time I said the Oakland/Ringwood/287 corridor was sort of a kept secret in some way. It’s further away but not too far. I think the same about the Bloomingdale/Butler area but in both cases, that opportunity is now gone. NYC’s gravity has expanded and the ‘priced out forever’ mantra has become a bit of a reality.
Cue the NYT from 1976, 5 days after I was born:
https://www.nytimes.com/1976/09/12/archives/ringwood-new-life-and-new-problems.html
Fast: It’s the price that has to be paid by the younger generations. Rates will be lowered next year anywhere from 1. 5 to 2 percent depending on which of the experts out there you agree with. This in turn will drive prices even higher, but we have to keep rates low or it all will fall apart. These abnormal interest rates of 7 to 8 percent mortgages and 4.5 to 5 percent saving rates will destroy the economy. When rates are lower again all will be well. If that means a cape in Saddle Brook or Fairlawn will cost $1,000,000.00 then so be it. It’s a small price to pay to get back to normal.
If that means a cape in Saddle Brook or Fairlawn will cost $1,000,000.00 then so be it.
A Bergen County address is prime. We’re prestigious here. If you can’t afford it, you may want to look around towns in mid Pennsylvania. (Geez, I just pictured Fetterman walking up to your front door as your new neighbor. The guy looks like a hatchet murderer) Anyway, we need monopoly money to consume mass quantities of everything because our low-density lipoprotein levels need to be redlined as much as possible. Drop those rates! It’s for the children!
Grim,
Thanks for the King Crimson link. I had no idea this documentary existed. I can’t wait to see the madness behind their innovation in music. There had to be some serious eccentricity there. Will search the torrents later.
Futures popped off the private payrolls miss. Looks like we are most likely in recession. Isn’t it depressing? :P
We are def in a recession based on the numbers coming out….so far seems mild, but that can always change quickly.
Fast: it’s not for the children.
Person I know who peaked in high school like Al Bundy of moved up there Ringwood etc. A majority of his posts on Facebook are about hunting and making his own venison jerky, and all the other wonderful things you can do with that animal.
Lib: As you know, ADP numbers are not a reliable indict, but we shall see what Fridays employment numbers look like. If weak, then the Fed rate cuts come sooner, and all will be well!!
Juice: There used to be a campsite up there we went to with the Scouts when my kid was young. Forget where it was exactly, but on the way we passed old Quonset huts that people were living in, this was around late 90 s.
3B,
Don’t forget about Bidenomics. It’s an election year. Usually good for the market and even better for the FED to move in the market’s direction.
Holy fucking shit….spit my coffee clear across the room on this descriptor of Ringwood residents from the 1976 NYT link…
Guessing this doesn’t make it into the paper today, about the population of any contemporary area lol….
“The effort was aimed at spurring a reversal of the severely depressed conditions among the tawnyskinned mulatto descendants of black pioneer families, sometimes called the Jackson Whites.”
I love stories of the Jackson Whites.
https://mixedracestudies.org/wp/?tag=jackson-whites#:~:text=AMONG%20LOCAL%20PEOPLE%20of%20the,at%20various%20times%20throughout%20the
AMONG LOCAL PEOPLE of the Ramapo Valley, which crosses the New York–New Jersey border at Suffern, New York, the term “Jackson White” denotes a group of mixed breed persons who are held to have descended from the amalgamated issue of renegades, outlaws, and whores of various colors who at various times throughout the eighteenth century sought the sanctuary of the Ramapo Mountains. The name “Jackson White” connotes a racial anomaly spawned by inbreeding and intermarriage, born into ignorance and degeneracy, and condemned to poverty, feeblemindedness, and suspicion.
I bought and downloaded the King Crimson documentary from Amazon and watched it on the plane Sunday. It’s really interesting for fans of (some of) their music. I’d already been aware of Fripp’s eccentricity thanks to a couple of books I’ve read, and from seeing him speak in videos.
I saw KC perform in 2017 when they performed in Newark, got the front row package with early entrance and a little pre-performance discussion from the band’s manager and brief visit from Fripp. He seemed to actually be enjoying this big version of the band. I think this was roughly the era during which the documentary was filmed, either this world tour or the following one a couple years later. I’m actually so glad they left Adrian Belew out of the reformation – I much favor KC’s 1969-75 music which singer Jakko also favors, though he does a credible job replacing Belew in songs as well.
FYI – the documentary is less about seeing live music performed, and more about the musical experience, the quest for peak musical experience, band dynamics and the members’ reactions to Fripp. I’d suggest listening or re-listening to the music of the 69-75 albums before watching the movie.
Lib: Yes, lower those rates , it’s an election year, and the market demands it.
As I understand it, the Jackson Whites are a combination of Native Americans , whites and freed or runaway Black slaves. They have been trying to get recognition as an American Indian tribe from the federal government, but it has been denied, not enough Native American bloodline.
As a not native New Jerseyan seeing this for the first time, just wow….
Isn’t Jackson Whites a King Crimson album?
Left: where did you grow up?
Left: I believe many of the surnames of the Jackson Whites are of Dutch origin.
3b says:
December 6, 2023 at 11:04 am
Left: I believe many of the surnames of the Jackson Whites are of Dutch origin.
Dutch? Like neuken in the keuken?
Phoenix: I had to Google that one!
3b,
It’s fun.
Why not name them? Some sort of secret?
Foreign governments are spying on smartphone users through their apps’ push notifications, a Democratic senator warned on Wednesday.
Ron Wyden of Oregon told the Department of Justice that foreign officials are demanding data from Alphabet’s Google and Apple.
Two weeks ago, he called for answers from the White House over a secret surveillance plan known as Hemisphere that tracks trillions of Americans’ phone records each year – even if they are not suspected of a crime.
Although details were sparse, Wyden’s letter to the DOJ lays out yet another path by which governments can track smartphones.
Democrats should ask Taylor Swift to be a presidential candidate.
Oil falling off a cliff. China must really be in trouble.
Guess it’s time to cash in the favors and become a “consultant.”
Former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy will retire at the end of this month, he announced Wednesday.
Ten 411
I guess it is a musical blind spot. I have tried 3 times with In the Court of the Crimson King and it just does nothing for me. Same for old Genesis. I tried. I will listen to Floyd, Yes, Rush and even Return to Forever on jazz/prog side.
Adrian Belew is playing around with Jerry Harrison (Talking Heads) on Remain in Light tour. Guy is in great shape. His best work was with Zappa and Heads. Hearing him play Drugs (Electricity), Cities and Crosseyed checked off some bucket list items.
I love most of the Court. To each their own.
Lib,
I think it comes down to where I entered prog rock. My first love was Yes. When CDs came out, Fragile was first purchase then Wish You were here. I listened to everything those bands made, like many people. My brother was into Rush so also got heavy into them..then into jazz fusion, Zappa, Headhunters, Jeff beck, Weather report. By the time people mentioned old Genesis and King Crimson, I just had heard to much to decipher perhaps ground-breaking aspect? I just would reach for Yes album over Court. I am just drawn more to sounds and voice of Jon, I guess.
It’s funny. I can’t stand Yes. All scales and chromatics and arpillagos. Almost too clean. But I know lots of people love them. Wasn’t a huge Genesis fan but enjoyed their hits. I really doug that Russian sounding song he releases during the cold war (forgot the name). Please tell me you like Sabbath. Zappa was amazing. I didn’t like Rush either for the same reasons as Yes.
I bet you like Beck. I think he’s brilliant.
You mean Land of Confusion from 80s? I was talking Lambs on Broadway from early 70s. A coworker used to play it. Just never could really love it for some reason but totally different than later work. Oh yes..Sabbath. I had Paranoid on tape along with Hendrix so even before I moved to CDs in 1988. I am a big live album person so bought Black Sabbath Live at Last from 73 tour. I remember when Almost Famous came out and I saw it theatre. There was a scene where Stillwater was opening for Sabbath and as they leave stage, you can hear Ozzy talking to crowd. Right away, I knew it was from Live at Last. I almost 100% sure. A buddy of mine, when we worked together doing late night grunt work at Kwasha Lipton/PWC/Mellon, would put on Sabbath to deal. Only way I made it through the 1.5 years at the place. Worst..job..ever. Chi knows.
Beck..yep. I was too into Phish in mid-90s to appreciate him. My younger bro played Odelay alot. I really liked it. I would say last 20 years, I have become a big fan. My kids, my wife too..he is always on rotation. Guero, Midnight Vultures and Sea Change. My autistic son love Nicotine and Gravy. Certainly questionable lyrics for 7 year old to sing. I mentioned we all saw him live in Sept. Sure, his lyrics can be pretty goofy and sometimes sounds like he is taking any words that rhyme but when he wants to write a song then he is one of best of his generation. Johnny Cash covered Jack@ss on his final album, I believe? Musically and visually, very inventive and interesting always.
Guess that 20/hr from Mickey D’s ain’t gonna cut it anymore.
Inflation hits The American Dream: It now costs a staggering $3.4 million to get married, buy a home, raise children, cover healthcare and retire (plus there’s $8k for a funeral!)
‘American Dream’ milestones costs $1million more than average earnings
Investopedia analysis found raising two kids costs $576,896 on average
The typical lifetime cost of homeownership in the US is now a huge $796,998
Buy now or be priced out forever
Hellman’s mayonnaise 5.68 at Walmart.
Hehe.
China once again trying to help out the American middle class as it’s own government inserts it’s phallus into the middle class sphincter:
Target 50-Ct Incandescent Christmas Lights from $1.52 + Free Shipping w/ RedCard or $35+ Orders or Free In-Store Pickup
America Is Having Yet Another Drug Shortage. Here’s Why It Keeps Happening.
I’ll tell you why it keeps happening, and I’m not a reporter.
Cause this government doesn’t give one rats azz about the people it is supposed to represent, only corporations and giving money to foreign countries.
At a police training seminar in Atlantic City, N.J., one instructor flashed a photo of a monkey while telling participants about his interaction with a 75-year-old Black man, video shows. Another appeared to mock the L.G.B.T.Q. community: “He or she, him, her, she, him” — whatever “you want to call people now.” Several instructors referred to the size of their genitals in lectures that glorified violence.
And Dennis Benigno, the founder of Street Cop Training, which led the seminar and describes itself as the fastest-growing private police training company in the United States, told the attendees that he looked forward to vacations in Colombia surrounded by cocaine, “hookers” and poor girls who “need to do things to make money.”
Nearly 1,000 police officers from across the country listened to Mr. Benigno and the other instructors during the six-day, $499 seminar in October 2021, according to an investigation and video footage released Wednesday by Kevin D. Walsh, New Jersey’s acting comptroller.
Tax dollars paid much of the bill.
“We found so many examples of so many instructors promoting views and tactics that were wildly inappropriate, offensive, discriminatory, harassing and, in some cases, likely illegal,” Mr. Walsh said in a statement.
Among the participants in Atlantic City were roughly 240 law enforcement officers from 77 municipal police departments in New Jersey, six county agencies, the State Police and three other state agencies. Their ranks ranged from officer to police chief, yet no one in attendance reported the troubling contents of the training to their departments, the report said.
Between 2019 and 2022, policing agencies in New Jersey spent at least $320,000 on Street Cop training, including about $75,000 spent to send officers to the six-day conference, the comptroller’s investigation found.
One speaker encouraged married female officers in attendance to flirt with their spouses because “God knows there are some whores who will if you don’t.”
But the guidance offered about what to look for when stopping vehicles was contradictory — and unconstitutional, the investigation found.
Drivers who looked away from a police car should be considered suspicious, instructors said; drivers who stared too long at officers were also cause for concern.
Passengers wearing hats that partly hid their face were on the checklist of “reasonable suspicion factors.” So were motorists who removed their hats as the police approached.
“The checklist advises that it is suspicious if the car’s occupants are too nicely dressed if they are traveling a long distance, if they are driving a minivan without a child seat in it, if the car has a ‘lived-in look’ with food wrappers and water bottles, or if the car has a trash bag in it for garbage,” the report states.
WSJ reports Mc Kinsey cuts its new partner class by one third; demand for high priced consultants is falling.
I better take the trash can out of my cars. Well, it’s not really a can, but a place to put car refuse.
Lib: I will have to tell my wife about the cat thing, she has lots of stuff in the car.
King Crimson is a very acquired taste. I think “In the Court” is the easiest listening album. But Moonchild goes on way too long. Their albums are very different from one another. Lark’s Tongue in Aspic vs Lizard. Maybe because most of the members were changing. Anyway, complex music requires repeat listening, and KC is quite complex.
The Yes Album is my favorite Yes album. It still kind of rocks even when I listen to it today. Fragile is also good. Emerson Lake & Palmer doesn’t hold up as well listening today, somehow Moog synthesizers sound really dated now in a way that Mellotrons don’t. Though I like the Tarkus album.
Rush isn’t really prog, maybe thematic rock in their 1970s, early 80s albums. Kind of like Jethro Tull.
Early Genesis was very proggy. But too twee. They ended up buying King Crimson’s mellotron and borrowing his drummer after KC fell apart in 1975. That’s a band whose music went from obscure Brit fairy tale prog to top 10 sellout US pop in about 10 years.
Fun fact – KC’s Robert Fripp performed the key distorted guitar riffs for David Bowie’s “Heroes” single.
Shocked I don’t hear more Yes on SXM Classic Vinyl, Deep Tracks, etc.
Must have played a billion times on the radio back in the 80s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVOuYquXuuc
More “noise”.
Guyana begs U.S. military to help defend its borders after Venezuela staked claim to oil-rich region: Biden ‘aware’ of rising tensions after Maduro sparked invasion fears by ordering teams to start drilling
Phoenix _ Oil is far off coast……Exxon has like 6,000 locals working on the project to extract a million plus barrels a day. You can bet the leaders of Guyana the got their taste too…
Wait….. who the fuck are you?
Bystander says:
December 6, 2023 at 3:22 pm
A buddy of mine, when we worked together doing late night grunt work at Kwasha Lipton/PWC/Mellon, would put on Sabbath to deal. Only way I made it through the 1.5 years at the place. Worst..job..ever. Chi knows.
Kwasha is an example of corporations being selfish. The PARTNERS made plenty of money and those who worked hard were left behind to get minimal packages upon exit. The benefits field is large yet unstable. Companies like Kwasha and their management cared nothing about their employees or their employees families. Those at the top drank from the goblets of self indulgence. The company paid for their cars, their homes, their vacations. This company was a smaller version of ENRON and nobody, nobody ever checked it out.
Matt Friedman:
Remember when Bob Menendez threatened Hudson County officials with knowing where “all the skeletons in closets are”? Three weeks later, most of them are backing his son for reelection. Not saying it’s a conspiracy. Just that those are two things that happened.
Love early Genesis, when they were Genesis; love Yes, saw them many times. The OLD Yes, in the 70s. Rush is okay, like them but not crazy for them, saw them in concert, though. Did Bystander mention Weather Report? Holy sheet! Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew… wow. Saw Zappa at the Felt Forum… who am I missing here? Beck! Blow by Blow! Any album really. You old guys know Allan Holdsworth? He could stretch like eight effing frets! Tarkus! Aqua Tarkus! 1st, 2nd and 3rd Impressions! Take a Pebble!
ELP! I gotta think about this some more. Memories!
Motorhead did a cover of Bowie’s “Heroes.” Check it out on U Tube.
Hehe. Stumpy blank (Watch Old Dads) for the other word gets her assignment from a judge.
Rosemary Hayne, 39, who hurled burrito bowl in face of Chipotle worker Emily Russell after she got her order wrong is ordered to work at fast-food joint for two months to avoid prison sentence
Customer Rosemary Hayne, 39, was found guilty of assault after she hurled a chicken burrito bowl at Chipotle employee Emily Russell, 26, in Parma, Ohio,
Judge Timothy Gilligan ordered Hayne to work at least 20 hours per week at a fast-food restaurant instead of going to jail.
She apologized to Russell in court, but said she was not happy with the way her food was prepared, FOX 8 reported.
‘If I showed you how my food looked and how my food looked a week later from that same restaurant, it’s disgusting looking,’ Hayne said.
Judge Gilligan was not buying the explanation when she sentenced Hayne.
‘I bet you won’t be happy with the food you are going to get in the jail,’ he said.
Protect and serve
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/18c7mo3/a_parent_of_a_slain_uvalde_student_is_manhandled/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
For the hockey fans-don’t miss the ending.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/18c916m/what_a_way_to_end_a_fight/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Biden forgives $5 billion more in student loans for over 80,000 borrowers. Who qualified?
Chi,
RE: Kwasha..Wait….. who the fuck are you?
I thought we had a discussion years back and there was some overlap, no? I joined when all the old letterhead was Kwasha, the new letterhead was Price Waterhouse..and year later sold to Mellon. I left 6 months after circa 2002? Knew some of Buck consultants guys too.