Building 200,000 Affordable Homes

From the Record:

Senate passes bill to overhaul how NJ towns will meet affordable housing mandate

How much affordable housing will New Jersey towns be required to zone for, build, convert or renovate over the next decade? 

Gov. Phil Murphy is expected to sign a bill the Legislature passed Monday that aims to streamline the process that determines how municipalities fulfill a constitutional mandate to provide their “fair share” of homes that low- and moderate-income families can afford.

The bill would codify a formula to help towns come up with the number of units they must allow to meet their constitutional mandate.

The bill passed the Senate 22-14 along party lines, to the sound of applause in the chamber. The Assembly approved amendments that had been added since it passed the bill 51-28 in February. 

Under what advocates hail as landmark legislation, A4/S50 shifts court negotiations over town affordable housing quotas to the Department of Community Affairs, which will rely on a formula based on a 2018 state Supreme Court decision to give towns initial numbers of units they are required to zone as affordable.

It maintains a ban on regional contribution agreements, a practice that let towns pay cities or other towns to rehabilitate affordable housing instead of building their own units, and abolishes the Council on Affordable Housing, a defunct agency that ceased operations in 2015, after failing for 16 years to adopt rules for towns to follow. 

A series of significant state Supreme Court cases beginning in 1975 created the Mount Laurel Doctrine, which said municipalities must zone for and provide a “fair share” of affordable housing for low- and moderate-income families, which typically means that a household would spend no more than a third of its monthly paycheck on housing expenses. The fourth “round” of negotiations is scheduled to start in July 2025. 

“Under the current system, towns have to hire their own experts to calculate the numbers,” Singleton said. “Now the Department of Community Affairs will calculate the numbers using the same framework and methodology that has been used for the last eight years.

“Towns can either choose to accept it or come up with their own, consistent with the standards in this bill, based on that methodology,” he said. 

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92 Responses to Building 200,000 Affordable Homes

  1. Phoenix says:

    Affordable Homes. 🤣🤣🤣

    First.

  2. Fast Eddie says:

    Does this affordable housing mandate mean folks can go to Ridgewood to cop a bag of P-Funk instead of Newark? How about this one: The Projects of Saddle River… has a ring to it, no?

  3. BRT says:

    Lib, you aren’t going to lecture me on covid, I’m sorry but I posted all the facts in real time and called out all the BS in real time throughout the entire pandemic. Especially on the lethality of the virus early on vs later. I stated very early that the virus will mutate into something less lethal and that this doesn’t end until the virus enters every single person’s body.

    Again, you aren’t going to lecture me to “science” either. I worked in a collaboration with Paul Janssen’s group in the early 2000s. This is Paul Janssen, the god of curing diseases. This is Janssen Pharma, the same group that developed the J&J vaccine. I told you guys flat out various things. I called out Fauci’s blatant lying. I called out the establishment violating basic academic protocols. I called out the blatant antiscientific behavior from the government authorities towards real scientists displaying healthy skepticism. The worst offense to basic biology being insisting that someone who has already had the virus get multiple shots.

    I stated the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission within the fall of the delta wave after looking at the data. You didn’t want to believe it. You still continue to make excuses for the governments behavior. The FDA has a panel of actual experts that convene to approve things. At the time that they were trying to approve the vaccine for children, Europe was banning Moderna for any male under 30. These panels that we have domestically ruled that the risk/reward does not exist. What happened? Bureaucrats and political appointees overrode them. Talk about not trusting scientists.

    I love you, but you fell for a lot of the BS and continue to. You want to believe the vaccines saved millions of lives. It’s possible they did but there’s been no statistical study to accurately show that between control populations. You do however have a stat called “All cause mortality” which will basically do just that. The fact is, any study involving all cause mortality has shown no distinguishing characteristics for either mRNA vaccine. In fact, the only one to show a slight benefit was the J&J. I stated very early into the pandemic that this ends once the virus enters everyone’s body.

    You also have whole nations of poor people who weren’t vaccinated that somehow fared better than entire developed nations. Sorry, but the evidence just isn’t there. You know, I know it, and guess what the population knows it to. That’s why the uptake on covid vaccines for children under 5 was less than 10%, even in dark blue states. The reason for this is very simple, doctors stopped peddling the BS. They won’t out right say it for fear of retribution from their medical boards and corporate overlords, but overall they’ve pretty much told everyone, they don’t need it.

  4. leftwing says:

    “Dude, nearly every single person got Covid. All those mitigations did nothing.”

    “Lib, you aren’t going to lecture me on covid, I’m sorry but I posted all the facts in real time and called out all the BS in real time throughout the entire pandemic…Again, you aren’t going to lecture me to “science” either…”

    Thank you BRT.

    “I don’t know how to judge that trade-off. And until some smart epidemeologist figures out how to crunch the numbers, none of us do.”

    The problem is that we had a ‘smart epidemeologist’ who entirely screwed the pooch, to national disaster levels.

    And, much to the contrary, the trade off is very easy to judge and the number crunching is something your HS sophomore can do…mortality rates for a plethora of disease states and events across meaningful datasets are public and were known for COVID before it hit our shores hard.

    For my child’s cohort the risk was less than driving.

    People make decisions every day on acceptable risk levels….driving in the snow, going outside in a thunderstorm, flying, hell there is an embedded risk/reward decision we make implicitly every time we cross the street.

    COVID was no different. Known, and calculable. And grossly mishandled with malice by those claiming to be best informed.

  5. leftwing says:

    “…the process that determines how municipalities fulfill a constitutional mandate to provide their “fair share” of homes that low- and moderate-income families can afford…”

    Truism…beware of liberals bearing the term ‘fair’. It is their last refuge when their desired actions can not support logic, reason, or economics…And it will cost you money or upend your lifestyle, usually both.

    “The bill passed the Senate 22-14 along party lines, to the sound of applause in the chamber.”

    Of course it did…the citizens paying for this social engineering experiment were out working, and only the good leftists unemployed or sucking on the governments teet were able to afford to be in the chamber…

  6. 3b says:

    I wonder how many units will be built in Phil’s town?

  7. Fast Eddie says:

    Things you thought you’d never hear: “Two dead and three in critical condition after a gang-related shootout erupted at 2:30 AM in Wyckoff last night. Sources say this is an ongoing turf war for control of the Boulder Run Housing Projects.”

  8. TraitorJoe says:

    The lefts idea of “science” is to decide what’s politically expedient and then fabricate papers to support it. Many of them are still peddling the zoonotic origin story.

  9. TraitorJoe says:

    Perhaps this is part of the reason Joe isn’t interested in putting the origin of a virus that killed ten million globally and cost the US ten trillion plus in economic damages.

    “Hunter finally admitted that former partner James Gilliar was indeed referring to Joe when he envisioned an equity partnership that included “10 held by H for the big guy” as part of a 2017 deal with Chinese energy company CEFC. ”

  10. Grim says:

    Jensen Huang so desperately wants to be cool.

    Dude, you are so not cool, and your obvious wanting to be cool is the antithesis of cool.

  11. TraitorJoe says:

    Eddie those people down in Haiti pushing their possessions around in ox carts are the lefts vision for America. They are doing everything they can to get us there.

  12. Fast Eddie says:

    They are doing everything they can to get us there.

    When Letitia starts wrapping tape around Trump’s buildings accompanied by the liberal SS, it’ll mark another major turning point in the decline.

  13. Fast Eddie says:

    Italics off

  14. Fast Eddie says:

    Kathy Hochul is desperate to keep businesses in NYC after the Trump ruling. Too late, sweetie. No new investments for the Big Apple. Business is saying goodbye and heading to Texas and Florida. Advice for potential NYC investors: If you’re not on the “correct” side of the political spectrum, they will come after you.

  15. TraitorJoe says:

    New York and many other leftist cities have entered terminal decline. Deploying military to maintain public safety will become commonplace. Look at Mexico and other third world countries. It’s how they operate. The police are either too corrupt or outgunned by the cartels to function effectively. All part of the plan to radically transform America.

  16. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    I appreciate your response. I actually agree with a decent amount if it. Where our opinions don’t agree is where there is no absolute proof to determine which one of us is correct. Of course Covid wouldn’t be where it is now without it running through all of us. To this end, I thank the naysayers for reducing the number of people who were vaccinated and bringing a quicker end to the pandemic. With that said, I am glad I didn’t get it for three years after the pandemic started. Heck, I suffered for one measly day thanks to the weakness of the flu and Paxlovid, which wasn’t known as a remedy in the early days. If I had the choice, especially considering my morbid obesity (which is becoming less morbid by the day), I would do it the same way again if a new novel virus came about. And that way was following the advice of a trusted epidemiologist. I don’t think there is any doubt that lives were saved by slowing the spread of the initial rounds of Covid. I lost a very close friend who had early stage cancer, but contracted Covid in the hospital during the first round. I know of many people who died this way and others who died waiting for treatment when the hospitals were overloaded. Without the vaccinations and the lockdowns, our hospitals would have been in worse shape resulting in more unnecessary deaths. Slowing the spread was definitely beneficial. I agreed with you early about Fauci’s lie about masks, where he tried to save the KN-95s for front liners and told people they could wear cloth masks. Again, where he failed was in not explaining this. Then there was Biden stating that you couldn’t get the virus if you were vaccinated, which was clearly a slip-up on his part, though everyone knew the vaccine didn’t work in this way. Again, lack of explaining or admitting fault never occurred. This was really stupid on his part as the deniers were looking for any shred of evidence to prove vaccine mandates were a conspiracy.

    I have gotten my flu shot every year since 1997. I had a horrible case of the flu for the second time back in a major outbreak in 96. I couldn’t even walk. I went to the hospital and they turned me away. I also got it once as a kid. In the past 27 years, I have not gotten it. Maybe I’ve been lucky, but I’ll keep getting poked regardless. Like Lefty said, he knew the risks and made a decision based on them. I do too. Without the flu shot, your odds of getting the flu each winter is about 7%. So you should get it about once every 14 years. Before getting vaccinated, I got it twice in 26 years. After the shot, never in 27 years. Anecdotal, yes. But I like my odds.

    So when it came to shutdowns and vaccinations. I was in full support of them as a chubby potential victim. Sure my odds were pretty low of dying, but so were those of my friends who died. Did we shutdown for too long? Possibly. But to say definitely is as wrong as saying definitely not. Again, the longer it took to achieve herd immunity, the less people died.

    BRT, I love you too. Heck, I love my enemies too except for intentionally reckless drivers. I still think your position was heavily biased by politics with some confirmation bias thrown in due to your science background. Gator likes to say this alot to me. You do you. I’ll do me.

  17. Libturd says:

    Terminal decline.

    Be sure to throw in radicalized a few times. Your people love that word.

  18. Libturd says:

    Bitcoin anyone? Where’s Pumps?

  19. Fast Eddie says:

    This is still astonishing and would love to read more opinions from you folks.

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/tl-dr-massive-changes-coming-121501580.html

  20. Phoenix says:

    “You folks?”
    😂😂😂

  21. Phoenix says:

    Just think.
    You shut down the country, delivered meals on wheels, did so, so much for those who now screw you when you want to buy their house.

    They got a new lease on life, and have become total fucctards after you gave so much to help make things better for them.

    Human nature is such an interesting concept. Not much distance between humans and primates after all, yet I think the primates have the edge on humanity. Then again I’ve never heard an experiment where we armed some monkeys in a zoo to see what would happen.

  22. Phoenix says:

    Hehe. One loves and believes in the legal system until you get the unlubed dowel treatment. Welcome to divorce, Donald. Hehe.

    Trump rages he will be forced to ‘sell off great assets’ at ‘fire sale prices’ to pay the $454 million New York fraud fine and rants Judge Engoron is trying to ‘take his rights away ‘ after lawyers revealed he couldn’t cover the bond

  23. Very Stable Genius says:

    Nobody knew what Covid was gonna be like. Govt reaction was appropriate.
    What if we had thousands of dead kids? At the time nobody knew.
    Libertarian rightwingers rewriting history

  24. BRT says:

    Lib,

    I got my shots as well. While I will maintain, those shots made me sicker than I’ve been in the past 10 years. But whatever. As far as vaccinations go, I maintained said who should/shouldn’t get it.

    My primary issue is with the school shutdowns that permeated from Fall 2020 to Spring 2021. They didn’t slow anything. By 2020 Christmas, everyone packed the stores and didn’t give a crap. By Fall 2020, everyone was eating in restaurants, bars, playing poker in AC. We were doing all this crap, but keeping schools shut. What should have opened first opened last.

  25. BRT says:

    What if we had thousands of dead kids? At the time nobody knew.

    Bull crap. The data came out of Wuhan immediately by Feb 2020 showing near zero percent mortality in age groups below 30 and only jumping slightly above 1% beyond age 60.

  26. Very Stable Genius says:

    Multiple indictments and half a billion dollars in civil liability later, pretty much the only person who can say they were better off four years ago is Donald Trump.

    HillaryClinton

  27. Libturd says:

    I agree with you on the shutdowns. They went way too long. Especially once we knew kids were not in any real danger. I am extremely lucky my kid did great through it. But he’s a bit of a computer geek, so this was to be expected. He likes learning online.

  28. Phoenix says:

    What if we had thousands of dead kids?

    I was there. In the front lines.

    Don’t remember seeing one kid. Not saying there wasn’t any, but they were at an absolute minimum.

    The ones I saw are the ones now asking for multiple bids on their Rheingold and cabbage smelling crapshacks.

  29. BRT says:

    There’s no way the NYPD is outgunned. They are just neutered by the politicians.

  30. Libturd says:

    Could you imagine what Trump’s legal bills are like? It’s costly thinking you are above the Constitution.

  31. BRT says:

    By mid 2021, 2 kids had passed away from covid in NJ. And it was debatable as to whether it was with covid or from covid. Influenza was always deadlier than the flu to children, even from the early strains.

  32. BRT says:

    Lib, my kids did well too. Only because my wife and I spent endless hours of brute force teaching them after we got done with our jobs. Very few students did well during covid. Most developed very very very bad habits that we are still trying to break.

    What I’m dealing with now with my juniors is that they mentally check out every Feb now. It used to be mid April. This is a post covid phenomenon.

  33. Phoenix says:

    Divisive Donnie at it again.

    Former president Donald Trump again claimed that the Democratic Party “hates Israel” and that Jewish Americans who vote for Democrats “hate” their religion, echoing previous attacks he has made about Jewish Democrats.

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    “I think they hate Israel,” Trump said of Democrats. He then said that Democrats “see a lot of votes” among Americans who oppose the Israel-Gaza war. The comments were part of a lengthy interview with far-right former adviser Sebastian Gorka that was posted online Monday.

    “Any Jewish person that votes for Democrats hates their religion,” Trump added.

    Trump made the comments in response to a question from Gorka about Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer’s call last week for a “new election” in Israel.

  34. Phoenix says:

    They were neutered with cell phone/body cameras, social media, and lawsuits for their criminal behavior.

    BRT says:
    March 19, 2024 at 10:21 am
    There’s no way the NYPD is outgunned. They are just neutered by the politicians.

  35. Very Stable Genius says:

    Yeah, the Chinese are to be believed.
    Hindsight is always 20/20

    BRT says:
    March 19, 2024 at 10:18 am
    What if we had thousands of dead kids? At the time nobody knew.

    Bull crap. The data came out of Wuhan immediately by Feb 2020 showing near zero percent mortality in age groups below 30 and only jumping slightly above 1% beyond age 60.

  36. Phoenix says:

    Studies show the Chinese lie at the same approximate rate as the American government.

    Very Stable Genius says:
    March 19, 2024 at 10:27 am
    Yeah, the Chinese are to be believed.
    Hindsight is always 20/20

  37. Very Stable Genius says:

    I wasn’t willing to take a risk with my kids to make a political statement

    Phoenix says:
    March 19, 2024 at 10:21 am
    What if we had thousands of dead kids?

    I was there. In the front lines.

    Don’t remember seeing one kid. Not saying there wasn’t any, but they were at an absolute minimum.

    The ones I saw are the ones now asking for multiple bids on their Rheingold and cabbage smelling crapshacks.

  38. Phoenix says:

    My ex wife did. No vaccine for her. Kid still here. I got lucky, ain’t no way a court will side with a man over anything related to a child.

    Very Stable Genius says:
    March 19, 2024 at 10:30 am
    I wasn’t willing to take a risk with my kids to make a political statement

  39. TraitorJoe says:

    Exhibit A for why Hillary is totally out of touch and unrelatable. Has she looked at Bidens approval rating?

  40. Libturd says:

    Some children did die in NJ. I remember one anti-vaccer’s child (a chubby kid) specifically. The numbers were small. I think Omicron was tougher on kids, but still, fatalities were rare. Again, fatalities from the vaccine were even more rare.

  41. Libturd radicalized says:

    Again Traitor. Trumps approval rating averaged 41% during his ZIRP, I meant presidency. Biden is pulling a 38% with >5% FED lending rate and three years of the Pandemic during his tenure. Narrative, narrative, narrative.

    Come up with something original. Right. He shits in his pants and wears big souled shoes.

  42. Libturd says:

    soled. Sorry. Another busy day in the salt mines.

  43. Libturd says:

    Trump’s approval rating was 34% at the end of his term.

    Facts don’t matter, as usual. Get some air and turn off the the right wing media. Seriously.

  44. Phoenix says:

    A short on how Trump became president. A time when he told the truth.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/9HsV0Jvqz_Q?si=3yYJHQ3nGEp18ekn

  45. No One says:

    BRT,
    Based on what you know today, do you think people over 60 or 70 or people with carncer or some other conditions should get a Covid shot?

  46. Libturd says:

    I have to eat dinner at Applebee’s tonight. It’s free and the whole family is invited. I dread eating at these chains. Will probably get a salad. Is there anything good/healthy on their menu?

  47. TraitorJoe says:

    Ny was sacrificed to further the agenda of the democrat party. First as the dumping ground for open borders and then a venue for the kangaroo court. Both of those things str going to have lasting detrimental consequences. No leadership forthcoming, the exodus will accelerate.

  48. Phoenix says:

    Lib
    Get grilled chicken breast.

  49. Libturd says:

    That’s what I was thinking I would have. Hopefully they don’t cook the shit out of it.

  50. Phoenix says:

    An influencer has divided opinion by saying men ‘should pay’ on the first date because of the investment she makes in cosmetics to look good.

    Comment:
    She told me we couldn’t afford beer anymore and that I’d have to quit. Then I caught her spending $75 for makeup. I asked her how come I had to give stuff up and she didn’t? She said she needed the makeup to look pretty for me. I told her that was what the beer was for. I don’t think she’s coming back..

  51. Juice Box says:

    Data out of Italy was early as well folks, early on we knew kids were not dying. It was “two weeks” to flatten the curve, to prevent the hospital system from collapsing. Trump released 42 billion to the states four years ago this week. He also punted to the states to enforce, that is when things went crazy with governor’s issuing all kinds of crazy executive orders and you could not even walk on a beach without getting manhandled by the police, as if the Covid boogeyman was there hiding in the sand and impervious to the rays from the sun.

  52. leftwing says:

    “I agree with you on the shutdowns. They went way too long. Especially once we knew kids were not in any real danger.

    Which was known from Day 1……smh

    “I wasn’t willing to take a risk with my kids…”

    Informative, seeing your view on following facts and science versus unsubstantiated fear….

    And, Lib and others, so nice to see you incorporate herd immunity into YOUR arguments here now because as we know at the time the government line was that having the virus did not confer adequate immunity and that the vaccine was still required even for those demonstrably infected…

    Liars. Not misinformed. Not unknowable facts. Flat out fucking liars.

  53. Phoenix says:

    Juice,
    Forgot about the “beach” thing.

    Hell sunlight was one of the things that killed Covid.

    It’s like a flu that turned into a giant government social experiment to observe how humans react to irrational fear.

    Americans are the most triggered individuals of all. A transformer or something blew in my town, the Facebook texts from hundreds of SAHM’s was bizarre. Bill Burr could have done a skit on it with his funny female voice he does. The material was already written for him. Hehe.

  54. leftwing says:

    “…you could not even walk on a beach without getting manhandled by the police, as if the Covid boogeyman was there hiding in the sand…”

    CA promoted that you could catch COVID from an onshore wind blowing mist off the waves onto you. Not kidding. Was in an NYT article. LOL.

    Meanwhile, party hearty at the French Laundry Newsome….

  55. leftwing says:

    ^^^wonder how many lives were saved from the killer mist…thank goodness!

  56. Phoenix says:

    Left,

    The “system’ always wants to have something in their pocket to have a reason to harass, tax, arrest, or control you in some sort of way.

    If government was good, more might be better. But not when it is as corrupt, ineffective, partisan, narcissistic, and toxic. And since that seems to be unavoidable, it’s just better to have less.

    “Power tends to corrupt,” said Lord Acton, the 19th-century British historian. “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

  57. Juice Box says:

    Tomorrow is the day the lights went out on Broadway. Governor Cuomo shut down all of NY State.
    .
    Another 30 days back in 2020 1/2 the planet was locked down nearly 90 countries and 4 billion people.

    Just one thing to remember about four years ago when Covid hit hard here and we all went into lockdown at the end of March 2020, it was an election year and well never let a crisis go to waste. Politics played a role here, from lockdowns to mailing ballots everyone including dead people. It was a crazy crazy few years..

  58. BRT says:

    BRT,
    Based on what you know today, do you think people over 60 or 70 or people with carncer or some other conditions should get a Covid shot?

    Absent a previous infection, 1 initial shot (and not mRNA) does the trick. You only need your body to get an initial blueprint of the virus to respond more effectively. The idea that you can boost your antibodies to prevent infection was easily disproven by infection data. Boosting is pointless as well because virus mutates too fast. Between the mildness of the existing virus, paxlovid, monoclonal antibodies, and it’s just another cold, it doesn’t matter if you don’t. To put it in perspective, my father in law checked off every box on the face of the planet. Heart attack, stroke, blood pressure, age over 70, on immunosuppressants. He hasn’t had anything beyond the 1st two shots. His first covid infection was a few months back. He was sick for about 2 days.

  59. Chicago says:

    Juice. On this friggin cold Spring day, gotta flaunt the chest hair.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5wRM-t7wvF0&pp=ygUbbGlnaHRzIG9uIGJyb2Fkd2F5IGJlZSBnZWVz

    Juice Box says:
    March 19, 2024 at 11:23 am
    Tomorrow is the day the lights went out on Broadway. Governor Cuomo shut down all of NY State.

  60. Chicago says:

    Actually listening to the lyrics in the era of Me Too.

    Sounds like grounds for a fuckin lawsuit.

    Phoenix what do you think?

  61. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    For what it’s worth, the epidemiologist I followed said the same thing.

  62. OC1 says:

    BRT-

    You are probably right that schools were closed too long in many places. There were a handful of studies at the time that showed schools weren’t big contributors to covid spread.

    But by the time those studies came out, we were dealing with different variants with different (and not completely known) properties. So there was still a fair amount of uncertainty.

    Hindsight is always 20/20.

    But when you say “You want to believe the vaccines saved millions of lives. It’s possible they did but there’s been no statistical study to accurately show that between control populations.” you’re just talking crazy (and doing the same thing you accuse me and Lib of doing). The evidence for the effectiveness of the vaccines at preventing death is overwhelming.

  63. BRT says:

    But by the time those studies came out, we were dealing with different variants with different (and not completely known) properties. So there was still a fair amount of uncertainty.

    But there’s wasn’t. New viral variants, if you believe in evolution, always trend towards less lethal and more transmissive. The idea that we were going to get a more contagious more deadly covid virus was always a fairy tail.

  64. Libturd says:

    “The idea that we were going to get a more contagious more deadly covid virus was always a fairy tail.”

    Not from what I read on the topic. Though it was indeed the case this time and with the Spanish Flu.

    Antigenic shift occurs when the strains mutate. This is what caused the swine flu. There is always the possibility, especially with a novel virus that antigenic shift could result in a more dangerous strain especially considering that such shifts can be great enough to eliminate the gains against the virus that herd immunity has made. It is not known whether we’ve been lucky or if it’s the natural progression of an influenza that the new strains have not been more dangerous than the original. I think with novel flus, being cautious continues to make the most sense. There just is not that much data on novel viruses that go pandemic since it occurs so infrequently (phew).

  65. LaX says:

    Speaking of Vegas! Just picked up 2 floor seats to see Bruce in Vegas!!!
    This Friday – boooooyah

  66. Libturd says:

    You can check out the female fans for Phoenix.

  67. BRT says:

    Lib, probability dictates that any of these events are possible. Every time a virus is replicated, a mutation is likely to occur. But the again, evolution trends towards those two things. The instant we found out steroids, monoclonals, nasal/throat washes and other things basically treated it, everything else became fear mongering.

  68. Chicago says:

    “The joke around Jerusalem is that while Mr. Biden once worked to help Israel after Oct. 7, he’s now working on the “two-state solution”: Michigan and Nevada. Israelis notice that the President rarely speaks of defeating Hamas anymore. Instead, he bashes Israel under the cover of bashing its Prime Minister.”

  69. OC1 says:

    “But there’s wasn’t. New viral variants, if you believe in evolution, always trend towards less lethal and more transmissive.”

    Not necessarily. “More lethal” flu strains pop up all the time. And a “less lethal” variant can still kill more people than a “more lethal” variant if it infects a larger number of people.

    If what you said was true, AIDS would no longer be a problem.

  70. Hold my beer says:

    VSG

    Covid hit Italy hard about a month before here. It was taking out mostly elderly, obese, and diabetics.

  71. BRT says:

    AIDS is a disease caused by HIV that mechanically disables the entire immune system that was resulting in 100% fatality untreated. But if you want to check it out, it still applies.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-30254697

    “HIV evolving ‘into milder form'”

    The flu has hit a baseline level for nearly a century. Statistical fluctuations above and below that mean are natural.

  72. Hold my beer says:

    Libturd

    I’d go with chocolate cake. Hard to mess that up or get sick from
    It.

    Or you could go with Phoenix and get grilled chicken and some sort of steamed vegetable.

    I wouldn’t get a salad. The dressings can be full of sugar and additives. I need BRT to decipher the ingredients on most salad dressings at the supermarket. At home I usually use apple cider vinegar, ev oil, and sprinkle in some sort of dried seasoning or herbs.

  73. Libturd says:

    I usually get oil and vinegar and go light on the oil anyhow. In a strange way, I’m looking forward to the disappointment. We rarely eat out. We do take out usually once a week and it’s our familiar (but excellent) italian, chinese, middle-eastern or thai. I know how to eat healthy. Doing it at chain restaurants can be challenging.

  74. Libturdian Thoughts says:

    As to the fear mongering. What is the government advantage of doing it? I don’t think it was as much a devious plan as it was the case of ill informed politicians thinking they were trying to help. I see this all of the time. So many times the unintended consequences outweigh the benefits. Or more likely, our officials are just lazy.

    I see this over and over. Here is a quick example. Every Thursday night the D takes swim lessons down in Cranford. We head down the Garden State Parkway from exit 151 to 136. Every week, for the past few weeks they have closed the GSP South on our way home. This creates about a ten-mile backup. The tax and toll payers have ponied up millions of dollars for digital signage that say such stupid things as “Here’s a rec to avoid a wreck. Put your phone down.” Yet between the fifty or so troopers needed to close every entrance ramp, stop the traffic and the hundreds of road work crews who are dropping cones, placing signs, etc., No one can put a message up during the week, or even that day that they plan to close the road for ten minutes, which might cause you an extra hour to go three miles if you get onto the highway at the wrong time. So are they fear mongering or they just don’t care about you and make all of their decisions based on potential personal gain. I think it’s the latter.

  75. Libturd says:

    As for Biden and Israel. Biden is simply walking a contrived tight rope. He wants to appear he cares for the Palestinians to quiet the progressives, but continues to let Bibi do whatever he wants. Bibi won’t stop until every last member of Hamas is rounded up. I feel for the Palestinians. But perhaps Hamas should not have attacked on October 7th. Bibi’s position is the same as mine. You roll the dice, you pay the price. It will be interesting to see what the next Palestinian government looks like. I’m sure the US and Israel will contribute huge amounts of aid to them. I’m also sure, their next government will be no better than the last. At last it will be another decade before this whole thing is repeated. Again, where is the support of the rest of the world? Especially the arab world.

  76. BRT says:

    I make a whole series of vinaigrette dressings throughout the season. I have a decent formula. The only oils I will consume are avocado, sesame, pecan, walnut, macnut, and of course extra virgin olive. The general formula is as follows:

    3/4 cup of oil
    1/2 cup warm water
    1/3 cup vinegar
    1 tsp dijon mustard (primarily for emulsifying but it has great flavor)
    2 tsp of some type of natural sugar
    1 clove of garlic
    1/4 of some fruit product either fresh or jammed.
    a pinch of salt/pepper/chili flake
    and I do a pinch of xanthan gum to aid emulsifying and prevent separation.

    Blend it and pour it through a strainer to get out an course particulate.

    What I vary is the ingredients. You can make a huge variety of flavor profiles.

    oils: avocado, sesame, pecan
    vinegar: cider, red wine, white wine, white balsamic
    sweetener: honey, agave, maple syrup
    fruit: strawberry, raspberry, plum, cherry, lemon, key lime, orange, pomegranate

    As the season changes, so does the dressing. Right now, I have meyer lemons on my tree so it’s been a lemon dressing.

  77. leftwing says:

    LaX, have a pair for back-to-back weekends in June (7th/14th) for Dead & Co. Not sure I’ll go for both shows. Very good seats at an incredibly good face value. LMK if you want a look when I figure things out.

  78. Very Stable Genius says:

    ‘I’m pissed’: Ex-Trump aide Peter Navarro blasts justice system before heading to federal prison
    Navarro insisted he didn’t want a pardon from President Joe Biden.

    Navarro is now the first former White House official in history to go to prison after being convicted of contempt of Congress. He’s also the first member of Trump’s circle of White House advisers to go to jail for crimes stemming from Trump’s effort to subvert the 2020 election.

  79. chicagofinance says:

    CMG 50 for 1 split.

  80. Juice Box says:

    Lib – Netanyahu has been on trial for what four year now? His trial? It seems to be a fraud in itself. Indicted in cases 1000, 2000, and 4000 for charges including breach of trust, accepting bribes, and fraud way back now in 2019. Trial now for four years part time and all….

    No love for the terrorists but Biden and Schumer are right, he is using this war to stay in power and refuses calls for elections.

    I know what Israel and the Middle East are, no need to school me on anything there. I unlike many have been to the Middle East as well. My opinion is it will always be in a perpetual war that is one thing that is certain.

    But there is no doubt Netanyahu would prefer we take all of the Palestinians here to the USA. Heck he could even ship them to Mexico, so who knows how this ends.

  81. Very Stable Genius says:

    Best economy ever!

    Thank you Dark Brandon! 4 more years!!!

    chicagofinance says:
    March 19, 2024 at 6:01 pm
    CMG 50 for 1 split.

  82. BRT says:

    To be honest, Chipotle seems like a brand that is showing signs of fading. The kids don’t talk about it like they used to and the quality has taken a turn for the worse.

  83. 3b says:

    Juice: At some point Israel will have to pull out of the West Bank, if they don’t, it will ultimately destroy the country.

  84. leftwing says:

    “He’s also the first member of Trump’s circle of White House advisers to go to jail for crimes stemming from Trump’s effort to subvert the 2020 election.”

    For telling the kangaroo court Jan 6 Congressional Commission to go fuck themselves and refusing to testify.

    Booyah! Good for him.

  85. LaX says:

    4:04 yessir. Saw them twice & both were great shows.
    Enjoy!

  86. Juice Box says:

    3b – I was on the Zoom today with a Saudi Company..

    They are beyond rich….and well most I have met with are well educated.

    It’s interesting to see their transformation. Giga-Projects now about 9 of them…

    I also think they are a model for the rest of the Middle East.

    They seem more tolerant. They have a massive amount projects that are for sure futurism.

    They are going to attract a large amount of young folks from the west to go work on these massive projects.

    https://www.pif.gov.sa/en/our-investments/giga-projects?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw7-SvBhB6EiwAwYdCAeorMJPTY9OL3GPkFlPk_gk8hoQw-94DtAjcZ0qEkEWNQsxT-agYQRoC4F0QAvD_BwE

  87. Libturd says:

    Juice. I have no love for Bibi. He’s an agitator and a war monger. Plus he leads the extreme right wing in Israel. I don’t think he has any plans to occupy the West Bank.

  88. Hold my beer says:

    Chicago finance

    You jinxed me. Wife and kids wanted chipotle for dinner. I got the seasonal chicken rice bowl

  89. 3b says:

    Lib: Israel is already in the West Bank, the Palestinian Authority has nominal authority there., but ultimately it’s still controlled by Israeli military forces. In my opinion Israel should withdraw completely, and the Jordanians can have it, or Saudi Arabia or some other combination of Arab states. Israel will be a healthier democracy without it.

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