C19 Open Discussion Week 8c

From the NJ DOL:

NJ Unemployment Payouts Approach $2B

The New Jersey Department of Labor has distributed $1.9 billion in income-supplementing benefits since the COVID-19 pandemic began in mid-March, and this week saw new unemployment claims for the period surpass 1 million, an all-time high. 

In the seven weeks since COVID-19 hit New Jersey in mid-March, 1,018,785 unemployment claims have been filed, by far the most ever recorded for a similar period.

With more than 642,000 now receiving unemployment in the Garden State — and an additional 72,000 federal Pandemic Unemployment Assistance (PUA) claims processed last week — the Department has created online guides to walk people through the weekly certification process. Certifying for benefits each week is required by federal law. But the certification questions have been an obstacle for tens of thousands of claimants who have answered a question incorrectly and had their payments delayed. 

“As we pass the milestone of 1 million claims filed – a number so staggering, we never thought we would come close to reaching it in such a compressed period of time – I’m incredibly proud of the tireless work of our staff to get nearly $2 billion into the bank accounts of so many New Jersey workers, to support their families,” said Labor Commissioner Robert Asaro-Angelo.

March 15 – 21
155,815
March 22 – 28206,253
March 29 – April 4
214,836
April 5 – 11141,420
April 12 – 18
140,139
April 19 – 25
71,996
April 26 – May 2
83,326*
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104 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 8c

  1. grim says:

    People waiting 6 weeks to begin collecting benefits is a god damned travesty.

  2. grim says:

    33.5 million unemployed nationally ….

  3. grim says:

    Likely another wave of layoffs once the PPP program impact begins to fall off. Keep in mind, the payouts would only roughly cover 2 months payroll.

  4. grim says:

    Holy fSck…

    Shocking that he would actually believe that a survey respondent being admitted to a hospital for COVID wouldn’t lie about exposure for fear of not being treated, or insurance not covering medical costs. Of course they were all staying at home, what did we expect them to say?

    Suspect maybe they aren’t so stupid, but I’m beginning to question whether this kind of alarmist news (OH MY GOD I CAN GET IT ALL BY MY SELF AT HOME) will have far worse long term repercussions, than a benefit of ensuring social distancing.

    Cuomo says it’s ‘shocking’ most new coronavirus hospitalizations are people who had been staying home

    Most new Covid-19 hospitalizations in New York state are from people who were staying home and not venturing much outside, a “shocking” finding, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday.

    The preliminary data was from 100 New York hospitals involving about 1,000 patients, Cuomo said at his daily briefing.

    It shows that 66% of new admissions were from people who had largely been sheltering at home. The next highest source of admissions was from nursing homes, 18%.

    “This is a surprise: Overwhelmingly, the people were at home,” he added. “We thought maybe they were taking public transportation, and we’ve taken special precautions on public transportation, but actually no, because these people were literally at home.”

  5. Hold my beer says:

    Called it Yesterday

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/08/vitamin-d-levels-may-impact-covid-19-mortality-rates/

    I kept wondering how such a high percentage of homeless we’re asymptomatic since they have a poor diet you’d think they would be highly vulnerable. But they spend a lot of time outdoors and getting lots of sun exposure. I then read articles that elderly and overweight people are highly likely to have insufficient vitamin d (two groups getting more severe outcomes compared to general population) and darker skinned people need 3 to 4 times the length of time in sun as lighter skinned people to synthesize enough vitamin d. Lots of articles on how corona is disproportionately killing and hospitalizing minorities in the US and UK.

    A year supply of vitamin d3 is under $10, even a year supply of vegan 3rd party tested made in USA d3 is only $30-$40. Non vegan vitamin d is a sheep byproduct and
    /or will have bovine based capsules. For 10 to 15 billion everyone in the US could get a year Supply of vegan vitamin d3 that is made In the US and has no fillers.

  6. grim says:

    Take my D3 every day, with my Yerba Santa.

    I’m still not dead yet.

  7. grim says:

    Interview with the DHS lab studying sars-cov-2. DHS scientists still hold the position that direct sunlight is effective for surface sanitation.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/inside-the-dhs-lab-where-researchers-study-coronavirus-83105861506

  8. Hold my beer says:

    That’s all the proof I need Grim.

    Here’s a list of D3 benefits

    https://draxe.com/nutrition/vitamin-d-deficiency-symptoms/

    It can also help prevent diabetes which cost the US 327 billion in 2017

    https://www.diabetes.org/resources/statistics/cost-diabetes

    You’d think the government or at least insurance companies would mandate blood tests for people coming down with chronic illnesses to see if they are deficient in vitamins or minerals that can be prevent or reduce those illnesses and conditions with a few cheap supplements. But that doesn’t create headlines, angst, and profits.

  9. Hold my beer says:

    If sunlight can kill the virus does that mean UV lightbulbs that are safe for humans could be installed in businesses and schools as an effective prevention measure? I’ve read they have been installed in HVAC systems as a disinfectant in some hospitals.

  10. grim says:

    Remember, direct sunlight has strong enough UV to cause cancer. Any artificial UV light strong enough to kill the virus is likely strong enough to cause cancer and cell damage. The DNA/RNA damage done to viral DNA to inactivate it, isn’t different from damaging cellular DNA to potentially cause cancer.

    One of the last flights I was on, on a new plane, had UV spotlight LEDs shining on surfaces, sink, toilet, etc. It’s easy to tell, most of the wider-band UV light has the same kind of “blacklight” effect you’d see in a bar or club.

    Probably very lower power, but over the course of a long flight, likely could be effective in lowering bacterial/viral load on surfaces.

  11. grim says:

    Most of the UV confusion has to do with germicidal UV. For example, UV water filtration, that uses shorter wavelength UV-C light. Almost zero UV-C makes it through to the earth’s surface from the sun, thanks to the ozone layer.

    UV-C kills very fast. We have a larger UV at the distillery to treat incoming water. We can push 10-15 gallons a minute through it, with very effective disinfection. This is a huge amount of UV energy. UV-C is used because it’s so effective so quickly. The exposure time is in the order of seconds, not minutes, not hours.

    If you’ve ever watched a welder TIG or MIG weld, you have seen UV-C light. It’s got the kind of intensity that leaves black spots in your vision, or would give a welder sunburn on his/her arms in just a few minutes.

    UV-A is what’s primarily coming from the sun, with a small about of UV-B.

    UV-B is not as effective as UV-C, but like I said above, it’s effective enough to cause plenty of skin cancer in the US, and plenty of sun burn at the shore. Put it back in the context of time, we’re not talking seconds, probably not talking minutes, but tens of minutes, and hours.

    There is plenty of old research on antiviral impacts of UV. There is even a very interesting old study that looks at viruses as a bioterrorism weapon. The conclusion of the study is that a virus would make a terrible bioterrorism weapon, because it would largely be inactivated by UV outdoors.

    The big ah-ha here is that coronaviruses were not thought to be significantly impacted by the lower-energy uv-a and uv-b.

  12. leftwing says:

    “I don’t think the country is not testing as much as some would like because they secretly know it’s not needed.”

    Joyce, not asserting a conspiracy theory, just natural corporate/governance behavior. Testing gets a ton of lip service but has no advocate.

    Feds have no interest from a policy perspective. Feds, medically, yeah, Fauci takes a minute to state ‘we need more tests’ then moves on. At the State level ‘it is critical’ to re-opening but the three governors making all the noise shut down – as opposed to expand and mandate – state run testing centers. Testing in these states is now pushed down to clinics and $199 by mail out-of-pocket kits of dubious quality.

    That is not how one behaves if something is a priority.

  13. grim says:

    20.5 million jobs lost in April

    Unemployment rate at 14.7%

  14. homeboken says:

    Grim – It’s truly an amazing time. We lose 20.5mm jobs and yet, it’s generally viewed as OK, since we were all expecting much worse.

    Think about that? Every man, woman and child in NJ could lose a job twice and it still wouldn’t equal 20.5mm.

  15. Hold my beer says:

    Grim. Germicidal uv. That’s the phrase I was trying for.

  16. Juice Box says:

    Far-UVC light, which has a very short wavelength from about 205 to 230 nm cannot reach or damage living human cells. It’s refined version of UV being tested.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21058-w

    manufacturer

    https://sterilray.com/

  17. Juice Box says:

    How about those unemployed that aren’t counted? The illegals? Add another 7 million to the count?

  18. Grim says:

    200nm is laser territory.

    Or big arc lamps with filters – very energy inefficient.

  19. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie.

    Forget the Obama phone, I’m fixen to get me a trump trucks. 2k a month per person until 3 months after end of emergency or unemployment goes back to pre ccp virus levels

    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/coronavirus-stimulus-checks-irs-090000037.html

    In 5 – 6 months I could trade in my pos with a 170k miles and stimulus cash for a new crossover. Maybe get me one of them hybrids

  20. Juice Box says:

    Roche’s just approved SARS-CoV2 antibody test has a specificity greater than 99.8% and 100% sensitivity. Blood sample still must be taken from arm and run in their Cobas analyzer equipment., so most likely will be taken at doctors office or lab.

    The state could never run a program like this. Taking a nasal swab at the drive thru testing centers can be done by anyone with minimal training, hense Walmart and CVS are doing it for the PCR test. Finding a vein, yeah leave that to the trained nurses. The states could never run that program.

  21. Juice Box says:

    Yup krypton-bromine excimer lamp at 207 nm light or krypton-chlorine excimer lamp at 222 nm.

    The operate at very low power 2 Millijoule.

    These wavelengths are completely absorbed by the dead outer layer of skin and by the outer tear layer of the eye, these wavelengths are safe for humans, however it still is not recommended to have people in the room when it’s running.

  22. Fabius Maximus says:

    The real reason for no testing.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-doing-too-much-151141414.html

    On Wednesday, Trump said that too much testing makes the US “look bad.”

    “So the media likes to say we have the most cases, but we do, by far, the most testing. If we did very little testing, we wouldn’t have the most cases. So, in a way, by doing all of this testing, we make ourselves look bad,” Trump said during a meeting with Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds.

  23. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    If sunlight can kill the virus does that mean UV lightbulbs that are safe for humans could be installed in businesses and schools as an effective prevention measure? I’ve read they have been installed in HVAC systems as a disinfectant in some hospitals.

    Yes. But you have a spectrum of UV light. The most effective is the lower range nanometer lights, typically referred to as UVC. You can literally buy them on amazon or . They are called germicidal lamps. This is what is likely installed in the HVAC if anything. But this is very very harmful to you if you get exposed.

    The higher wavelength light are those found in black lights (UVA). These are not harmful to you but harmful to the virus. This is actually used in therapy because it can penetrate the skin and kill the virus. This was actually what Trump was trying to refer to with the “injection”. Apparently, they have a device that they stick down the trachea and emits the light from the inside to target the virus.

    There was an article in 2018: Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time Forgot”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122858/

    Apparently, prior to the invention of antibiotics and antivirals, they used to just take your blood, run it through a uv light, and send it back into you. This would reduce the load of virus or bacteria and give your immune system the upper hand. This therapy fell out of favor once antibiotics were invented.

    I’m setting up a grow tent that is lined with foil on the inside and sealable. There is going to be a UVC lamp inside. This is going to be used to disinfect anything that is delivered or bought from a store. I’m going to build my mother and my in laws one as well.

  24. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    Everything’s coming up roses.

    I am overweight. BUT. I’ve been taking D-3, a multivitamin and fish oil for years. All of these things came at the recommendation of my hyperthyroidism (hereditary) doc.

    Though I rarely smoke (only when I’m drunk or occasionally in a casin0), I’m hoping the combination of second-hand smoke and my pack-a-quarter year habit benefit me.

    My blood pressure is good and I’m not even pre-diabetic. My cholesterol (also hereditary) is higher than average, but always has been.

    Pound for pound, I’m in significantly better shape than just about anyone my size, probably from playing hockey my whole life (still playing now). Though, my doctor likes to remind me that when the sh1t hits the fan, it’s going to hit hard.

    When and if I get this thing, you ALL better be praying for me. :P

    And yes, we own one of the pulse oximeters.

  25. Libturd says:

    Surprised noone here mentioned the kerfuffle over the CDC’s report on what should be done to reopen the country safely.

    Obviously, the strategy is to not mitigate the spread as both Trump and Pence continue to make a point not to wear masks where and when they should be worn.

    I read through the 17 page document and it’s actually really well done.

    Here is how I see things playing out. By reopening the country with absolutely no guidance (or free masks or gloves) for the public, the second wave (really the first wave for the rest of the country) is going to scare everyone back into their homes (much like it did in the tri-state) and will do more damage to the economy than had we spent some political will on attempting to open the country while preventing the spread of the disease simultaneously. In two to three weeks time, the numbers across the country are going to echo what we saw in our area.

    I hope I’m wrong, but I just don’t see how I’m wrong.

    And yes, Leftwing. It will not be killing everyone. But it will be killing a ton of the older and compromised as our kids spread it to our families. Our families, many of who should be quarantined away, but won’t because they have no clue that this is necessary.

    I hope I’m wrong. I doubt I am.

  26. chicagofinance says:

    In addition to certain aspects of the UV spectrum that have been deemed effective at disinfection, there is also decades of empirical evidence from sonic disinfection that has been administered:
    https://youtu.be/wqYXd7hX8-4?t=162

  27. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Based on what I’m seeing in the neighborhood, this lockdown has had an awful effect on only children.

  28. Juice Box says:

    I guess if you need money you will do any work. Had a 19 yr old male cleaning my house today with the service and he was not from south of the border.

  29. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    You said the same thing 3-4 weeks ago about FL etc. that it would be widespread carnage and it would resemble the tri state within a few weeks. That was fearmongering and incorrect. So is this.

    The country is not going to resemble the tri state because people are going to take necessary precautions with or without a government lockdown.

  30. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Had a 19 yr old male cleaning my house today with the service and he was not from south of the border.

    Good!! Perhaps there is a silver lining to this plague.

  31. Libturd says:

    Really fake News Hoax?

    Florida is underreporting their numbers. That is a fact. Second, my parents asked for me to get them masks. They can’t get any down there. I ordered some from Amazon for June delivery. The order was just cancelled.

    How many lives did you say would be lost Fake News Hoax? Wasn’t this a typical flu?

    We are now over 70K. I’ll remind you about what you said when we get to 150K and everyone is starving.

  32. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    I’ll remind you about what you said when we get to 150K and everyone is starving.

    Starving? Lib, are you saying we’ll be starving?

  33. Libturd says:

    I am concerned about the upcoming depression that even opening the states in their current fashion is going to do next to nothing to stop.

    A lot of people are about to be sick at the same time across the country. How is this going to impact our ability to get food?

    So far, we have only witnessed the first or second inning of this event. The economic impact has not been felt yet. Give it a month or two and this country is going to look very different. At some point, compassion turns to survival of the fittest when the haves start fearing they make become have nots.

    Don’t worry though. It’s all scaremongering. Go out to a restaurant. Go get your hair cut. Go to a concert or a football game. You’ll feel better.

  34. Libturd says:

    Gary,

    I forgot. Ignore the hair cut.

  35. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    The mortality rate for those infected will end up being inline with the flu. Yes I believe that. NOT ONE person under the age of 18 has succumbed as far as I can tell. Mortality rate of 1 in 200k for those under 60. Facts.

    And when we are starving? Lol. Perhaps if we hand food production over to the government. Governments have a habit of inflicting mass starvation but I don’t see any other way. We have a 38% obesity rate and throw away half of our food. It’s along way to go to starving, just more fear mongering.

    I agree on the N95 masks and the elderly. We were caught with our pants down.

  36. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Flynn charges dropped.

    Trump 2203873
    Resistance 0

    Bring on the charges for McCabe and the rest of the Bama hacks.

  37. chicagofinance says:

    You sound like Chris Christie.

    Libturd, the Master Beta says:
    May 8, 2020 at 10:18 am
    Pound for pound, I’m in significantly better shape than just about anyone my size, probably from playing hockey my whole life (still playing now). Though, my doctor likes to remind me that when the sh1t hits the fan, it’s going to hit hard.

  38. joyce says:

    Murphy. If you want less people talking about fascism right now, maybe stop bringing it up yourself. Just a suggestion.

  39. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Bring on the charges for McCabe and the rest of the Bama hacks.

    Fabisu would disagree.

  40. zapaza19 says:

    Libturd,
    I just got back from Florida after a 3 month stay – have a house there. Don’t know where you’re looking for those masks. They were selling them a plenty at the local medical supply store. Picked up about 20 couple weeks ago.

    Now about Florida. In Sarasota county, look at the numbers. https://www.google.com/search?q=sarasota+county+covid+count&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    3 times the population of Hunterdon County, where I live, one of the lowest counts in NJ. Yet Sarasota has even less cases and deaths. Hmmm. Wonder Why? Yeah, it’s all the idiots living down there. My wife is not in a happy mood, coming back here. I can’t blame her. Hates that Murphy and His Law more and more as each day goes buy. NJ is a police state compared to Florida. There you feel your freedom. My house is in a city right on the Gulf. Same population as Cranford,or just about. You can be up and about and drive through the streets without seeing a single police car. Their presence is only needed for accidents and heart attacks. Maybe it’s the geezers being there in mass or not. Don’t know. One thing though, they definitely look at the NJ and NY crowd right now as being stupid and gullible. Suckers, that is.

  41. Juice Box says:

    Lib – Cannot get masks? What are you recommending they wear in the Florida heat? N95 is overkill according to CDC and Fauci.

    I was at CVS today they had boxes of them for sale, cheap hospital type. Just enough to keep you from coughing your phlegm onto someone else too close. Limit was 10 masks per customer charging $2 a mask.

  42. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Stew Leonard’s had masks stocked by the case load.

  43. No One says:

    Zapaza,
    The silver lining of this virus for me is that my company has really picked up its game in terms of remote work environment, and has already said that they will allow more freedom on that front even after we get back to normal, having seen how productive the firm can be while we were forced to work remotely. Thus I’m already browsing homes for sale in Longboat Key in Sarasota county FL. A couple of people in my office already work out of that area full or part time. Year round golf and tennis, fresh ocean air should help boost my vitamin D levels to new highs. I’d probably only really be there for a few months (the colder ones) per year at first. Hopefully I’ll be a resident before I start realizing my capital gains, to make sure NJ pensioners like Punkin don’t take their cut.

  44. homeboken says:

    Lib – Re: Kimmel — You are spreading a deceptively edited video. The full video is on CSPAN in its entirety. Pence makes a joke about carrying the empty boxes, then turns and talks to the CEO after closing the doors to the truck.

    I admire your posting too much to see you succumb to hacks like Jimmy Kimmell for your news.

    How about this – Let’s all just agree that anyone that used to host “The Man Show” is not a serious newsman. Both Kimmel and Corrolla are extremists and should be viewed for entertainment only, not facts.

    https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/05/08/mike-pence-empty-boxes-masks-ppe-mic-live/3095258001/

  45. Libturd says:

    That’s great No One. Very little productivity drop in my place too.

    Not sure why my folks can’t find masks. Maybe it’s because they live where all the boomers live and they are hording them.

    My goal is not to fear monger. I’m just saying it like I see it. I hope I’m wrong. Really.

  46. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    That’s cool Homeboken. I didn’t dig, which I usually do.

    My bad if you are right.

  47. homeboken says:

    Sorry – meant to insert the CSPAN clip. You may disagree with Pence’s politics but the man is pretty honorable IMO, always has been.

    Watch the below, it’s about a minute. Then come back here and apologize for acting like every reactionary leftist from Twitter

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4874462/user-clip-full-clip-mike-pence-delivering-ppe

  48. Fat F.uck Fast Eddie says:

    The WFH thing has always been pretty easy with my company. I see it as optional going forward.

  49. Libturd says:

    You are right. Sorry on that one. I probably should have know. My friend who sent it to me is usually better at vetting. I blame the intern.

  50. Libturd says:

    Pence is okay. A little too religious for my preference of course.

  51. grim says:

    Wow that is some bullshit video editing.

  52. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    The left s.ucks. They really have nothing to offer.

  53. No One says:

    And in the end, Kimmel shows what a small person he is by tweeting an insincere apology that’s really just another attack. I guess that’s what you have to do if you don’t want to be persona non grata in Hollywood.
    I kind of like Adam Carolla. He seems to actually be an un-PC libertarian for real, unlike Kimmel who apparently was just un-PC when that paid the bills.
    Comedy needs more people in favor of liberty and freedom of speech, rather than the unfunny apologists for politically correct fascism that seem to be growing in numbers in the field.

  54. zapaza19 says:

    No One. Go for it. It will change your outlook forever on how states are run and how people react accordingly. Long Boat Key is a dream for me, however. I remember vacationing there in the mid 80s. Looked at a local real estate mag. My God, how expensive. Priced in the $250s those homes right on the water! Can’t relate to that!

    Also, building lots were available on Sanibel Island in the mid 90s for only around $100k. My brother decided for Isle of Palms instead in SC. He regretted that.

    Oh well, could have, should have. Either way, check out the bar on top of the Westin Hotel in Sarasota. Highest view in the county.

  55. R3ntL0rd says:

    Fas.t F.uck, ‘Boken, Bloo Ribbon – why were you not wearing any mask?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uQ3ybmAz_g

  56. ExEssex says:

    3:38 you are an odd human being. Thinking of retiring to Alabama?

  57. Fabius Maximus says:

    Flynn shows us we have reached Banana Republic status.

    Judge Sullivan: Do you wish to challenge the circumstances on which you were interviewed by FBI?

    Flynn: No, your honor. I was aware that lying to FBI was a crime.

    JS: Do you believe that you were entrapped by FBI?

    MF: No.

  58. 3b says:

    Fast Fat: I thought you hate work from home.

  59. Juice Box says:

    Fab – Dirty tricks during a presidential transition aren’t unheard of.

    How do you feel about illegally leaking the substance of the Dec 22nd 2016 calls to the Washington Post? This stuff was TOP SECRET….seems someone else broke the law. Do you want them held accountable?

  60. RentL0rd says:

    Sh1t Juice – really? I mean, someone leaked to protect this country you stup1d!

  61. Hold my beer says:

    Dallas to furlough 472 employees starting May 13 till end of July to help 25 million dollar loss in sales tax from shelter in place.

    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/500-city-of-dallas-employees-furloughed/2366282/

    Tarrant County reported a new daily high today of 171 and Dallas had 249 new cases a bit short of a new high.

    This link has charts showing cases by county and cases by town within each county.

    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/what-we-know-about-coronavirus-cases-in-north-texas-around-the-state/2335449/

    Collin and Denton Counties have slowed their doubling rate down to about 3 weeks.
    Collin and Denton are much more affluent and I can’t think of any big pockets of poor neighborhoods like Dallas and Tarrant County have. Collin’s medium household income is about 1.8 times that of Dallas and Tarrant. Lots of companies move into those two counties and bring high paying jobs with them.

  62. Juice Box says:

    Rent – Do you mean non-political whistle blowers like Snowden or Chelsea Manning?

  63. The Great Pumpkin says:

    At the end of the day, someone will live here and profit here. No matter how bad you guys think the nyc metro area is, it will continue to be the economic hub of the nation. As you age, it’s only natural to leave this area for calmer pastures.

    Just please don’t act like everyone is now going to leave cities and go work remotely in some small town in the middle of nowhere…that’s prison. If you don’t understand what the city brings… it’s the energy.

  64. Perth Amboy knows says:

    Proud of my split level Fat Eddie is not that fat. Spineless and inert is more apropos. Spouse can vouch.

  65. 3b says:

    Juice Dem wrong doing is ignored or narrated away. Repub wrond doing is cause for out rage.

  66. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    3b,

    1 or 2 days at home is okay, rather go to the office, though.

  67. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Perth Amboy,

    I’m f.ucking fat and I don’t have a split.

  68. joyce says:

    78 years ago the Supreme Court said the federal government’s interstate commerce clause extended to intrastate non-commercial activity.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    May 8, 2020 at 5:42 pm
    Flynn shows us we have reached Banana Republic status.

    Judge Sullivan: Do you wish to challenge the circumstances on which you were interviewed by FBI?

    Flynn: No, your honor. I was aware that lying to FBI was a crime.

    JS: Do you believe that you were entrapped by FBI?

    MF: No.

  69. Juice Box says:

    3B – My belief is Flynn must have had enough financial backers to drag this out in the courts, he didn’t for a reason, perhaps his son, perhaps he had bad representation, or perhaps he knew he was wrong. He pled guilt more than once and should be held accountable.

    Facts still remain. Comey and crew took it to a new level, a political one. Only reason I believe it (before the latest revelation) is because of the denials that it was political, and Mueller and Rosestein may have thought it was political too so Muller cut Stzrok and Page and Rosenstein released the txt messages. These people were political animals they spent too much of their time and power on it, there is no disputing that.

    In a court of law well I don’t think we are ever going to get there, as people want to forget, and they will soon enough.

  70. Juice Box says:

    So Stephen Miller’s wife 25 yrs old worked for Pence just tested positive for Covid19 and Trump’s food valet (run by the U.S. Navy) tested positive for Covid19. So when does the MSM say they were perhaps “together” apparently fluids have covid19 too.

    Who goes first National Inquirer or CNN?

  71. joyce says:

    The Cook County Board president has a security detail.

  72. Juice Box says:

    Gov Phil where were you months ago when that child in Hoboken was sent home an died of the FLU?

  73. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The rule of thumb for gardening our zone here in NJ is check the forecast 2 weeks prior to Mother’s day, if it looks good, you can plant. We are pushing the edge on the latest frost date in NJ history. Southern PA meanwhile, is about to take out their typical last frost by a month. Had to bring nearly 100 plants, 15 trees into the garage and cover 64 newly planted flowers tonight. Despite the mild winter we had, this was probably the overall coldest spring I can remember since I’ve been farming/gardening.

  74. Fabius Maximus says:

    That was a lot of What Aboutism on Flynn

    As Martha Stewart showed, its not the crime you do time for, it s the coverup.
    You only cover up if you’re guilty!

  75. Fabius Maximus says:

    One of the old posters I miss is Lisooh. She could summarize a large and complex argument in a few eloquent lines.

    This poster does the same for a lot of what I am thinking.
    https://twitter.com/EverythingBeeps/status/1258960016079556609

    “I’ve been feeling for a long time now that November through January will be more terrifying and catastrophic for this country if Trump loses than if he wins. Especially if the Senate also flips blue. GOP is going to burn this country to the ground.”

  76. Grim says:

    “Unfathomable”.

    Amazing that just 4 months ago, NJ rallied against eliminating “religious” exemption for vaccinations. And the NJ legislature, could not muster the votes to close the loophole. In 2018, 140,000 people died from Measles worldwide, a very large portion of these were children. Completely preventable. There is no search and hope for a measles vaccine, we have one, it works, and it’s safe. A coronavirus vaccine is irrelevant if we don’t close the loopholes.

  77. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    To find out what the FBI was up to with Flynn, you just need to read their own words. It was crooked. Throughout the entire 3 year Russian hoax, they never had proof that a crime was committed. There was no probable cause. Yet they kept it going.

    “What is our goal?” Priestap wrote in the notes. “Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?”

  78. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Even people that are not anti-vaxxers are telling me they don’t trust a vaccine developed so quickly. It’s the height of ignorance and they have no idea about how the vaccines are designed or how they work.

  79. 3b says:

    Fab Are you saying there will be rebellion in the streets by Republicans? As for burning the country down, I would say both parties have done a great job at burning it down.

  80. Libturd says:

    https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/coronavirus/local-impact/blue-crab-industry-warns-of-collapse-requests-help/2297548/

    One example? Listen clearly where the dude interviewed says American’s won’t work these jobs.

  81. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on rekindled love.
    Regards

  82. joyce says:

    Does anyone know what these seasonal jobs pay?

  83. homeboken says:

    My prediction – this Flynn mess is not going away. It’s going to get way worse.

    I expect that Obama and Biden will be implicated at some point. Only serves to further solidify my prediction that Biden will not be the D nominee in November.

    I’m still willing to bet on it.

  84. Libturd says:

    Home. I hope you are right.

  85. Grim says:

    If people are going to be afraid to get the vaccine, why are we waiting for a vaccine?

  86. chicagofinance says:

    Have you ever played Bl5ckJ5ck in the casin0? Hit with a 16 when the dealer has a face card up…….. even when you have a huge bet on the table……

    Fabius Maximus says:
    May 8, 2020 at 11:18 pm
    That was a lot of What Aboutism on Flynn

    As Martha Stewart showed, its not the crime you do time for, it s the coverup.
    You only cover up if you’re guilty!

  87. joyce says:

    So the government has another reason to give billions to connected companies.

    Grim says:
    May 9, 2020 at 3:24 pm
    If people are going to be afraid to get the vaccine, why are we waiting for a vaccine?

  88. Libturd says:

    Maybe we can get the murder hornets to take out the Covid-19?

  89. homeboken says:

    I saw a video of a praying mantis just devouring a murder hornet. I had no idea mants’ were such predators, it was gruesome and oddly satisfying.

  90. ExEssex says:

    That whole killing in Georgia is a huuuuge story.
    What a bunch of lawless f-cktards. Hope they both
    Get the chair.

  91. Bystander says:

    boken,

    My 5 year old is insect/arachnid freak. There is a picture in one book of a mantis eating a humminbird..no sh%t.

  92. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I saw a video of a praying mantis just devouring a murder hornet. I had no idea mants’ were such predators, it was gruesome and oddly satisfying.

    I take them and put them on my fig trees. They eat every wasp in site and all the bugs disappear from the tree. I have a picture of one decapitating a wasp.

  93. Libturd says:

    I’m sure you all know what a female praying mantis does after coitus?

  94. homeboken says:

    By- A BIRD?? Jesus.

    Well, I’m off to go down the praying mantis rabbit hole of information tonight.

  95. JCer says:

    BRT, I’m not so sure I’d be so hung-ho about taking a vaccine early on. Until you have a solid test population you will not understand possible adverse reactions. Provided these has been adequate testing and we are fairly certain it works, then you take the vaccine.

    I als0 really question how effective a corona virus vaccine will be. From what we know in animal sciences they don’t work terribly well. IBV vaccines for poultry are not terribly effective, I suspect because of the mutations that occur in an RNA virus.

  96. grim says:

    So, again, why are we waiting for a vaccine?

    Ain’t going to do anything if all these pussies are afraid of it.

    Suspect a huge portion of the population would rather take their risk with COVID instead.

  97. Libturd says:

    Not so sure how huge the number of scaredy cats are. The number of vaccine injured is stupidly low if any. And even if say 30% of the population is scared? Even getting 50% to participate would be enough to achieve herd immunity if it exists (it probably does imo).

    Now waiting for it to come out? That’s a whole other story.

    Poor Roy. He, was the original tiger king.

  98. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The internet used to be a very valuable tool. Then it was destroyed by money.

    Search engines suck. Finding low priced items only required a simple search on google, which has now been commercialized. We destroyed our physical retail landscape by being duped into thinking the low price online environment would last. No, it will get more expensive now. Less competition, higher price for warehouses, and god knows what will happen with returns as I doubt e commerce keeps losing all this money on returns.

    And how bad is it for the environment, to be shipping individual packages everyday to each household? Take out retail, and what are you going to have 10 deliveries a day to your house? Sounds expensive and inefficient.

    Ordering online is becoming more and more of a hassle. One click ….my ass. You order, find out two days later that it’s not in stock. Send you the wrong f’ing items. You all know, I don’t need to explain further. Hopefully, it doesn’t keep getting worse.

    In terms of knowledgeable information, that golden era of the internet has also come and gone. Now it’s a sh!t show of false information, whether for clicks, or some bat sh!t crazy conspiracists pushing their agenda. Who would have thought in the era of the internet, we would have a flat earth movement, or an anti vax movement. This stuff was not believable in the 80’s or 90’s (pre internet), but now it is? Holy f!k, we are going backwards.

    Putting this all into perspective, now you know how we got Donald Trump as president. It’s the internet stupid.

    Putting this all into perspective, now you know why we can’t even handle a pandemic. It’s the internet stupid.

    We are at the point where it’s actually bringing harm to society. The time when it only brought positive gains to society is over. We will see if the internet can turn this ship around, but right now it’s starting to do more and more harm. Just too much data being collected, and too much bad information being fed to the masses.

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