C19 Open Discussion Week 36

From the AP:

Biden defeats Trump for White House, says ‘time to heal’

Democrat Joe Biden defeated President Donald Trump to become the 46th president of the United States on Saturday, positioning himself to lead a nation gripped by a historic pandemic and a confluence of economic and social turmoil.

His victory came after more than three days of uncertainty as election officials sorted through a surge of mail-in votes that delayed processing. Biden crossed the winning threshold of 270 Electoral College votes with a win in Pennsylvania.

Trump refused to concede, threatening further legal action on ballot counting.

Biden, 77, staked his candidacy less on any distinctive political ideology than on galvanizing a broad coalition of voters around the notion that Trump posed an existential threat to American democracy. The strategy proved effective, resulting in pivotal victories in Michigan and Wisconsin as well as Pennsylvania, onetime Democratic bastions that had flipped to Trump in 2016.

Biden’s victory was a repudiation of Trump’s divisive leadership and the president-elect now inherits a deeply polarized nation grappling with foundational questions of racial justice and economic fairness while in the grips of a virus that has killed more than 236,000 Americans and reshaped the norms of everyday life.

Biden, in a statement, declared it was time for the battered nation “to unite and to heal.”

“With the campaign over, it’s time to put the anger and the harsh rhetoric behind us and come together as a nation,” he said. “There’s nothing we can’t do if we do it together.”

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301 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 36

  1. D-FENS says:

    Congratulations president Gore!

  2. D-FENS says:

    This man is a Hamas supporter

    https://twitter.com/peterbeinart/status/1325262763883720704?s=21

    In the 1990s I came to know many young conservative journalists. Now some are household names. Back then I never imagined a moral test that would so vividly expose their characters. Some abetted tyranny. Others resisted it. Trump x-rayed their souls. I’ll never forget what I saw

  3. Bystander says:

    In breaking news, Trump confirmed that he will conceit.

    Baddabump.

    Patton Oswalt is the man. Truth is funnier than fiction. This happened with our dear old Vamp Guiliani..

    Tweet
    Patton Oswalt
    @pattonoswalt

    “This is not over. For we shall mount our righteous stand at Four Seasons Total Landscaping. Next to Fantasy Island Adult Books. Across the street from the Delaware Valley Cremation Center. Between the fire extinguisher and yellow hose. MAGA”

  4. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Biden is a part of this “giant sucking sound” Perot is referring to. He sold us out before and will sell us out again. Once you go corrupt, you never come back. Just look at the smirk on Bush sr and Clinton in this video. Total scumbags.

    https://youtu.be/xQ7kn2-GEmM

  5. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Trump had more votes than Obama in 2008. He increased his votes since last election by over 10%…getting 7 million more votes than in 2016 and loses? Now that’s crazy. If you told me Trump increases his votes by 10% from last election, I would put the odds of him losing at almost zero percent. Somehow Biden comes through with 75 million votes…now explain that

  6. njtownhomer says:

    The statistics science is a bitch, but the main rule for comparisons is ceteris paribus.

    So many mail-in ballot (no excuse) were requested, issued and the period to vote got extended in many places. Just CA and NY/NJ make such a change. Also so many unemployed, at-home college students, service sector workers voted who otherwise wouldn’t find time to vote in person on a regular Tuesday work day. Some folks who had to wait hours were able to vote this time in GA.

    I think this should remain in the future. Tuesday is my busiest meeting day and it is really hard to find time to drive to see the folks there and get in line.

  7. Libturd says:

    Left wing is good people. Paid off his bet and a real gentlemen to boot. Time for the country to heal. You can disagree with Biden’s policies. You can hate him with all your might. One thing is for sure. He will calm the country down. I am looking forward to it. We really got the best result for the country.

  8. Fast Eddie says:

    In a day when we’re required to have a pin and/or secure ID to access every facet of our lives, we’re relying on an asymmetric, antiquated system ripe with fraud, irregularity, distortion, perversion and abuse. The accommodating media may have announced a winner but the half-century politician with no resume, no policy and no purpose is nothing but a symbol. One side has now become the party of the grass roots working class and the other, a fringe party with shiftless leadership spear-headed by a senile fossil and self-satisfied followers. He’s not my president nor will I personally concede. Do you notice there’s no looting, no riots, no fires and no tantrums by Trump supporters? And now the senile fossil is asking for unity when it was his side that did nothing but create hate and division. As an American, I will resist and I will denounce anything the party of tokens attempts to implement.

  9. BRT says:

    I think this should remain in the future. Tuesday is my busiest meeting day and it is really hard to find time to drive to see the folks there and get in line.

    Why can’t you just request an absentee ballot?

  10. Hold my beer says:

    Fast

    Your orange messiah was such a divisive petulant ignoramus he managed to lose reelection to a guy who the few times he managed to wander out of his basement to campaign probably did t know where he was.

  11. Hold my beer says:

    Losing Georgia and Arizona to a democrat from the northeast is like losing to the Jets.

  12. Hold my beer says:

    I hope you trumpers are happy. All he had to do to get re-elected was keep his obnoxious comments to himself. But no, he had to mock McCain and he lost Arizona . Instead of pretending to be thankful a kidnapping plot against a governor was busted by the FBI he complained the governor was ungrateful for not personally thanking him and he lost Michigan. He could have encouraged people to wear masks and pretend to show compassion for the families that lost people to covid. He blew it like the Giants blow a two score lead in the final 5 Minutes of a game. He was such an emotional disaster we now have Biden.

  13. Hold my beer says:

    Can’t make this stuff up. Pretty much sums up 45s administration skills

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/four-seasons-total-landscaping-trump-team-news-conference.html

  14. Fabius Maximus says:

    Heading to Philly to see if I can scalp a ticket to the Spinal Tap reunion at the Four Seasons.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/08/the-other-four-seasons-trump-team-holds-press-conference-at-suburban-garden-centre

    One side was always the party of the grass roots working class. The other, a fringe party with shiftless leadership spear-headed by a senile fossil and self-satisfied followers, clinging on to minority rule by suppressing the votes of those very working class.

    Next up Alabama and Louisiana. The days of suppressing the vote are ending. Mail in works and opens the voting booth to many who couldn’t get there before. Its going to be interesting to see what comes out of the USPS investigations outside of a pardon for DeJoy.

    There’s dancing in the streets and its Morning in America. We finally wake up to the end of that Orange disaster. Trump supporters are quiet as who are they going to rail against? They will put away their flags and the racism will go back under the covers again.

  15. Fast Eddie says:

    They will put away their flags and the racism will go back under the covers again.

    Blacks and Hispanics voted for Trump; the smug, cultural, white elites voted for O’Biden. The flag is an identity of a great nation, something the utopian dreamers can’t recognize nor relate to at all.

  16. Fabius Maximus says:

    Let me guess. A dismissal with prejudice of all unsealed indictments in NY.

    “Fox News has learned that under some conditions Trump would consider an appropriate transfer of power.”
    https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1325223260955570176

  17. Bystander says:

    “party of the grass roots”

    ..except those Blue states bc f*ck those people bc they did not vote for me. That was your party, run by insane TV con with cultists projecting greatness while dismissing racist and sexist statements. There will be no healing but the biggest loser will be Fox news. Prepare for numerous crazy niche R “news” orgs like OAN, Trump TV, Qanon Today, LibCry TV etc. We learned alot of this country are conspiracy nuts, looking for blame.

  18. 30 year realtor says:

    Fsst Eddie,

    No tantrums? What was that thing you just wrote?

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 8, 2020 at 7:55 am
    In a day when we’re required to have a pin and/or secure ID to access every facet of our lives, we’re relying on an asymmetric, antiquated system ripe with fraud, irregularity, distortion, perversion and abuse. The accommodating media may have announced a winner but the half-century politician with no resume, no policy and no purpose is nothing but a symbol. One side has now become the party of the grass roots working class and the other, a fringe party with shiftless leadership spear-headed by a senile fossil and self-satisfied followers. He’s not my president nor will I personally concede. Do you notice there’s no looting, no riots, no fires and no tantrums by Trump supporters? And now the senile fossil is asking for unity when it was his side that did nothing but create hate and division. As an American, I will resist and I will denounce anything the party of tokens attempts to implement.

  19. Fast Eddie says:

    Trump supporters are quiet

    Indeed they are.

  20. Fast Eddie says:

    What was that thing you just wrote?

    A peaceful state of revolt… unlike your side who blaze city blocks and board up storefronts when they don’t get the outcome they like.

  21. 30 year realtor says:

    Fast Eddie,

    About 20% of the Black vote went to Trump. If that is your measure of success, the bar is awfully low.

    I was in Montclair yesterday afternoon. Celebration in the streets. These people love this country. American flags on display everywhere!

  22. Fast Eddie says:

    Celebration in the streets.

    Super Spreaders!

  23. IfCrooked MustBeCompetent says:

    Jersey politics 101.

    If you are going to be a crook, you got to be competent otherwise you get the hook.
    If he had been competent, a lot of those people below would have been busy at work.

    Finally, the NY Times expose on his finances, showed he loses money on everything except Trump Tower, Trump World, A 30$ stake in a Vornado partnership, and profits from his father Queens Apartments that are split with other members of family. The Manhattan commercial market is cooked (again if competent, he would have been in a better place) and no one is going to refinance his loans as the “Trump” name for the foreseeable future is on par with “Titanic”. I expect fire sale of all his properties. If he’s smart he would take over dying Rush Limbaugh radio empire and build on that for the few years he has left – sort of Ed Koch as he dribble away on his radio shows on Bloomberg.

    His kids are toxic like the Madoff kids, so either they’ll meet the same end or find so niche somewhere. The country might be divided, but I still posit the reality that the anger is Boomer Locust driven, just like they made a mess in the 60’s. The one good thing is that 6 months before dementia strikes people start getting angry with no reason. There is a good possibility of massive batch of boomers being out of their minds dementia in a year plus, refilling all those empty nursing homes bed.

    njtownhomer says:
    November 8, 2020 at 12:04 am
    The statistics science is a bitch, but the main rule for comparisons is ceteris paribus.

    So many mail-in ballot (no excuse) were requested, issued and the period to vote got extended in many places. Just CA and NY/NJ make such a change. Also so many unemployed, at-home college students, service sector workers voted who otherwise wouldn’t find time to vote in person on a regular Tuesday work day. Some folks who had to wait hours were able to vote this time in GA.

  24. Fast Eddie says:

    American flags on display everywhere!

    Was the “tolerant” left displaying them when Trump was president? No, they weren’t because every O’Biden lawn sign I passed did not have an American flag to be found on the premises. Fake loyalty.

  25. Fast Eddie says:

    democrats – the party of scratch-offs

  26. EddieNeeds Sedation says:

    These are tidbits from the NY Times from an interview with AOC. It shows very clear the wayward thinking of the boomers geezer democratic leadership and anyone else that is younger and is exasperated by their incompetence and their refusal to get out the way as they continue making a mess.

    And I’ve looked through a lot of these campaigns that lost, and the fact of the matter is if you’re not spending $200,000 on Facebook with fund-raising, persuasion, volunteer recruitment, get-out-the-vote the week before the election, you are not firing on all cylinders. And not a single one of these campaigns were firing on all cylinders.

    Well, Conor Lamb did win. So what are you saying: Investment in digital advertising and canvassing are a greater reason moderate Democrats lost than any progressive policy?

    These folks are pointing toward Republican messaging that they feel killed them, right? But why were you so vulnerable to that attack?

    If you’re not door-knocking, if you’re not on the internet, if your main points of reliance are TV and mail, then you’re not running a campaign on all cylinders. I just don’t see how anyone could be making ideological claims when they didn’t run a full-fledged campaign.

    Our party isn’t even online, not in a real way that exhibits competence. And so, yeah, they were vulnerable to these messages, because they weren’t even on the mediums where these messages were most potent. Sure, you can point to the message, but they were also sitting ducks. They were sitting ducks.

    There’s a reason Barack Obama built an entire national campaign apparatus outside of the Democratic National Committee. And there’s a reason that when he didn’t activate or continue that, we lost House majorities. Because the party — in and of itself — does not have the core competencies, and no amount of money is going to fix that.

    If I lost my election, and I went out and I said: “This is moderates’ fault. This is because you didn’t let us have a floor vote on Medicare for all.” And they opened the hood on my campaign, and they found that I only spent $5,000 on TV ads the week before the election? They would laugh. And that’s what they look like right now trying to blame the Movement for Black Lives for their loss.

    Is there anything from Tuesday that surprised you? Or made you rethink your previously held views?

    The share of white support for Trump. I thought the polling was off, but just seeing it, there was that feeling of realizing what work we have to do.

    We need to do a lot of anti-racist, deep canvassing in this country. Because if we keep losing white shares and just allowing Facebook to radicalize more and more elements of white voters and the white electorate, there’s no amount of people of color and young people that you can turn out to offset that.

    But the problem is that right now, I think a lot of Dem strategy is to avoid actually working through this. Just trying to avoid poking the bear. That’s their argument with defunding police, right? To not agitate racial resentment. I don’t think that is sustainable.

    There’s a lot of magical thinking in Washington, that this is just about special people that kind of come down from on high. Year after year, we decline the idea that they did work and ran sophisticated operations in favor of the idea that they are magical, special people. I need people to take these goggles off and realize how we can do things better.

    If you are the D.C.C.C., and you’re hemorrhaging incumbent candidates to progressive insurgents, you would think that you may want to use some of those firms. But instead, we banned them. So the D.C.C.C. banned every single firm that is the best in the country at digital organizing.

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    The leadership and elements of the party — frankly, people in some of the most important decision-making positions in the party — are becoming so blinded to this anti-activist sentiment that they are blinding themselves to the very assets that they offer.

    I’ve been begging the party to let me help them for two years. That’s also the damn thing of it. I’ve been trying to help. Before the election, I offered to help every single swing district Democrat with their operation. And every single one of them, but five, refused my help. And all five of the vulnerable or swing district people that I helped secured victory or are on a path to secure victory. And every single one that rejected my help is losing. And now they’re blaming us for their loss.

    So I need my colleagues to understand that we are not the enemy. And that their base is not the enemy. That the Movement for Black Lives is not the enemy, that Medicare for all is not the enemy. This isn’t even just about winning an argument. It’s that if they keep going after the wrong thing, I mean, they’re just setting up their own obsolescence.

    What is your expectation as to how open the Biden administration will be to the left? And what is the strategy in terms of moving it?

    I don’t know how open they’ll be. And it’s not a personal thing. It’s just, the history of the party tends to be that we get really excited about the grass roots to get elected. And then those communities are promptly abandoned right after an election.

    I think the transition period is going to indicate whether the administration is taking a more open and collaborative approach, or whether they’re taking a kind of icing-out approach. Because Obama’s transition set a trajectory for 2010 and some of our House losses. It was a lot of those transition decisions — and who was put in positions of leadership — that really informed, unsurprisingly, the strategy of governance.

    What if the administration is hostile? If they take the John Kasich view of who Joe Biden should be? What do you do?

    Well, I’d be bummed, because we’re going to lose. And that’s just what it is. These transition appointments, they send a signal. They tell a story of who the administration credits with this victory. And so it’s going be really hard after immigrant youth activists helped potentially deliver Arizona and Nevada. It’s going to be really hard after Detroit and Rashida Tlaib ran up the numbers in her district.

    It’s really hard for us to turn out nonvoters when they feel like nothing changes for them. When they feel like people don’t see them, or even acknowledge their turnout.

    If the party believes after 94 percent of Detroit went to Biden, after Black organizers just doubled and tripled turnout down in Georgia, after so many people organized Philadelphia, the signal from the Democratic Party is the John Kasichs won us this election? I mean, I can’t even describe how dangerous that is.

  27. 30 year realtor says:

    November 3rd has passed. Biden has won the election. In the next week about 1 million Americans will test positive for COVID-19 and 7000 will die. So much for COVID-19 magically disappearing after the election.

    How is it that anyone was stupid enough to believe Donald Trump about the pandemic?

  28. ExEssex says:

    Melania countdown to divorce filing…..3….2…..

  29. 3b says:

    I am just glad it’s over, hopefully. I didn’t want either one. When Biden takes office it will be back to business as usual, and the decline of the country will continue.

  30. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    The Biden will be a Uniter mantra is mind boggling.

    Assuming he doesn’t die before Inauguration Day, He has to unite his party first. He’s an empty vessel the progressive used to appeal to moderates, but those two sides are very different. The marxists and the anarchists are not going to stop until they control every lever of power, and the lobbyist run establishment isn’t going to hurry to hand them over.

    If that gets settled, the notion that the right will unite behind him is a joke. The list of grievances is so long, the dossier coup attempt, fraudulent election, propaganda and tech manipulation, the middle is lost for the foreseeable future.

  31. Hold my beer says:

    Downplay and undermine the covid task force. Do the exact opposite of their recommendations. Rarely show up for meetings and when he does ramble and rant for 45 minutes about other topics. This your idea of greatness? Not to mention his admiration of dictators and how he wanted to be thought of as the president who was a king. Gets his briefings from Fox News and ignores his security advisers.

    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/60-minutes-australia-white-house-insider-olivia-troye-reveals-inside-scenes-as-donald-trump-dealt-with-covid19-pandemic/news-story/a94b250aea0a92fc2fb4a946b5e769b5

  32. ExEssex says:

    Trump is toast.

  33. 3b says:

    The middle like myself is just going to check out. We have no alternative.

  34. Bystander says:

    No violence yet bc Trump won’t speak or concede. Red hat dopes still thinking fraud and that conservative court will overturn I had FB idiot denying inevitable up until Sat. morning saying it was ‘not called yet’. Trump goes burned earth then prepare for lots of violence

  35. ExEssex says:

    If you didn’t vote in this election then you already checked out.

  36. Hold my beer says:

    The anti science people in the Dakota’s are getting hit the hardest in the nation with covid. And they still don’t think masks work. Meanwhile these freedom loving crew are getting airlifted to blue cities in Minnesota for treatment, tying up resources in Minnesota that could be used for its own citizens.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/doctors-fear-more-death-dakotas-175126618.html

  37. crushednjmillenial says:

    30 year realtor . . .

    The thing that will magically disappear is certainly not Covid. But, what will magically change once Biden is in, is the way CNN, MSNBC, and NYT cover Covid. Less time devoted to it. More fatalism about it. More soft encouragement to wear a mask and social distance while getting back to normal.

    The ominous tones, in speech and in print, and the wall-to-wall coverage by these outlets will not continue much past Jan. 21. in my opinion. Also, FDA approval of, and the subsequent rollout of, a vaccine will be covered very differently with a President Biden than a President Trump, by these outlets.

  38. 3b says:

    Ex Essex: Yes I did, and so did many others in spite of the massive turn out.

  39. Fast Eddie says:

    Liberal larkers, social distancing in celebration…

    https://tinyurl.com/y5tvofd3

  40. FastEddie NeedsSedation says:

    Eddie, go and see Pumpkin’s shrink for you Biden Derangement Syndrome.

    Recommend everyone this site, has a great explanation of the pandemic spreading. See Chart 1a. See the right side where we are now presently vs Europe which is in a ballistic angle, we are going to overshoot Europe. See his youtube videos

    https://tomaspueyo.medium.com/coronavirus-the-swiss-cheese-strategy-d6332b5939de

  41. D-FENS says:

    Regardless of outcome, you have to admit it will be interesting to see how challenges to the results shake up in the Supreme Court. Harris’s treatment of Kavanaugh and Barrett were unreasonable during their confirmation.

    Let’s not forget how the confirmation of Clarence Thomas went. A certain Senator was a bit unkind to him at the time.

  42. ExEssex says:

    2:09 how much do you have to suck as a human to have huge street parties around tje world erupt when you lose ?

  43. Juice Box says:

    Such a nice day took my son for a bike ride, and now having lunch in Red Bank. It feels like a spring day here, place is jumping hopefully the weather will keep for a while longer.

  44. D-FENS says:

    Think about it…there’s motive and means. If you’d been brainwashed over the last 4 years into believing that Trump was a literal Nazi, wouldn’t you feel morally justified to cheat to help Biden win?

    ExEssex says:
    November 8, 2020 at 2:11 pm
    2:09 how much do you have to suck as a human to have huge street parties around tje world erupt when you lose ?

  45. 30 year realtor says:

    D FENS,

    Supreme Court? In what fantasy world will that occur? And the pandemic is over…be gone by Easter…

  46. 30 year realtor says:

    Horrible thing to ask tough questions of a person being confirmed to the Supreme Court or a cabinet post. I am sure the Republicans would never consider such a tactic.

  47. Phoenix says:

    My vote for post of the day.

    “I am just glad it’s over, hopefully. I didn’t want either one. When Biden takes office it will be back to business as usual, and the decline of the country will continue.”

  48. chicagofinance says:

    The hubris of AOC is disappointing. There is no consideration that maybe people disagree with her opinions, and voted their convictions. Instead, she has the salesperson’s mentality. “Everyone is out there to be sold. All we need to do is reach them, and they will support our vision.” She blames the sales process for not achieving her intended results, as opposed to the possibility that she is peddling a bunch of sh!t that people don’t like.

    EddieNeeds Sedation says:
    November 8, 2020 at 10:13 am
    These are tidbits from the NY Times from an interview with AOC.

  49. chicagofinance says:

    #1 full disclosure – I did not vote for Trump.

    #2 why are leaked tax returns published (cherry picked & stripped of contextual information) in the NY Times reasonable, but Hunter Biden’s laptop is not?

    #3 we have already discussed the distinction to be drawn between economic profits and taxable income on a return.

    #4 if you are unaware of what the following means in light of #3, then you should refrain from referencing it.
    “Finally, the NY Times expose on his finances, showed he loses money on everything except Trump Tower, Trump World, A 30$ stake in a Vornado partnership, and profits from his father Queens Apartments that are split with other members of family

    Probably the most simple explanation for the quote is that all the above assets are long-held (i.e. fully depreciated) or in something that he owns a minority ownership so there is no independent control.

    #5 If it is not clear that the Trump brand has immense value and the entire family can enrich themselves, then you are simply not paying attention. If you ever discuss business with a brand manager, marketer, or development person and give them the cliché “I don’t get it”, they always give you the smug response “You wouldn’t get it because you aren’t the target market.”

    #6 Madoff is a pariah to all and his family is shunned. There is no residual business.
    Trump owns real estate, but his biggest cash revenue generator is the asset light business of placing his TRUMP name on things and charging for the privilege.

    #7 It’s as simple as if Trump stays out of jail, then 2016-2020 has been very good for him.

    IfCrooked MustBeCompetent says:
    November 8, 2020 at 9:54 am
    Jersey politics 101.

    If you are going to be a crook, you got to be competent otherwise you get the hook.
    If he had been competent, a lot of those people below would have been busy at work.

    Finally, the NY Times expose on his finances, showed he loses money on everything except Trump Tower, Trump World, A 30$ stake in a Vornado partnership, and profits from his father Queens Apartments that are split with other members of family. The Manhattan commercial market is cooked (again if competent, he would have been in a better place) and no one is going to refinance his loans as the “Trump” name for the foreseeable future is on par with “Titanic”. I expect fire sale of all his properties. If he’s smart he would take over dying Rush Limbaugh radio empire and build on that for the few years he has left – sort of Ed Koch as he dribble away on his radio shows on Bloomberg.

    His kids are toxic like the Madoff kids, so either they’ll meet the same end or find so niche somewhere. The country might be divided, but I still posit the reality that the anger is Boomer Locust driven, just like they made a mess in the 60’s. The one good thing is that 6 months before dementia strikes people start getting angry with no reason. There is a good possibility of massive batch of boomers being out of their minds dementia in a year plus, refilling all those empty nursing homes bed.

  50. Phoenix says:

    “The hubris of AOC is disappointing. ”

    Better get used to it. These types are everywhere. Full blown Karen mentality. Like an Arnold movie, they will “Erase” you any way they can.

  51. ExEssex says:

    ‘Since when did the Lamestream Media decide who the President is?’ Trump doubles down on refusing to concede and Melania backs his claims of fraud – but Republicans start telling him to give up the fight….

  52. Hold my beer says:

    I’m not paying $1 million to mow my roof.

    I wonder how they these grass roofs will withstand hail and 80 mph linear winds.

    https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/frisco-homes-with-grass-roofs-and-1m-price-tags-are-coming-to-the-market-take-a-look/287-676ae17c-5920-44a1-a144-73181775f39c

  53. Hold my beer says:

    I think AOC had a point about how awful many of the losing house reps campaigns were. I thought most of them spent literally $0.00 on digital ads and events. They were doing mailers like it’s 1998. And because of that they couldn’t counter the impact of the riots and defund the police movements.

  54. Chi NeedsEddies Sedation says:

    Chi,

    You call AOC’s hubris, I call it she showed results. The progressive side got the votes out. The turn out of blacks in the south only happened because of the progressives’ push, it did not occur by itself or commanded the third way corporatocrats. Look at the democrats congresscritters who lost and all are moderates, which means no difference between them and a republican except the Trump/Pence sign in the background.

    Your explanation on taxes, is your excuse for his tax cheating ways, nothing more. Same goes for your branding expertise. Sure try to get some big corporation that is not a Koch Bros subsidiary to book a conference in any place with the Trump name.

    Competence excuse some corruption most of the time. Go to Cliffside Park NJ, a subsidiary of the Calabrese Family. Or to North Bergen NJ, a fiefdom of Lord Nick Sacco. Both are somewhat crooked in their own ways, they stay because they are competent. Garbage picked up, snow removed, schools do their jobs, etc.

    Trumps incompetence ensure his failure vis a vis the economic effects of the pandemic on Manhattan real estate where he makes his only profits, which now he does not. No bank is going to refinance his loans in non loan shark rates. He’s toast in real estate, same goes for the Kushners – look up the Baltimore Sun on what they have been doing in Maryland.

    His only future is if he takes over Limbaugh bloated body and spends his days like this this https://youtu.be/gEO3QCI1dKQ

  55. Chi NeedsEddies Sedation says:

    Grim, unmod me. Please

  56. democratnomore says:

    EVERYTHING is an insurmountable challenge to AOC. Not only is rising above poverty impossible, she even called out the grave difficulty of dressing professionally if you come from a working-class background. What?
    If you go to Goodwill or Walmart, you can find a plan black skirt and a blouse and like magic, you are professionally dressed.
    I hate, hate, hate that she makes it seem like growing up in a working-class family makes you incapable of figuring anything out. She wants to brainwash us that without the big hand of government we are helpless.

  57. Juice Box says:

    Leave the rock ribbed alone already. They need time to lick their wounds.

  58. RentL0rd says:

    What is with all the unpatriotic voices here? They don’t respect this great country’s democratic process? Isn’t this the definition of a traitor? I’m talking to you – D’FckNS, 3b, Realtor and of course Fast Eddie.

    Also, the guys who care only about numbers… It’s all going to be fine. Better in fact. The markets love democracy and they love Biden!

  59. Dink says:

    “no tantrums by Trump supporters”

    Haha, what a joke. Your Dear Leader himself is throwing a tantrum and will continue to do so the next two months. Every Trump supporter is basically “wahhh wahhh, they cheated! they stole the election! wahh wahh!” Bunch of man babies.

  60. Juice Box says:

    I saw a Trump tard today in Red Bank in a lifted truck with not one but two big Trump flags out the back. Guy was suffering from his BDS, going to be years and years of it. My kids soccer coach is convinced we will have a national lockdown when Biden takes over, he has no idea that the states hold that power.

  61. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Online leftists chronically denied Biden’s strength during the primaries, expressing 100% confidence he could never beat Trump; joined GOP to mock him for “hiding in his basement”; and even fabricated a rape allegation against him. But now they want Biden to do their bidding. lol

  62. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I just pray that the media finally moves on from focusing on trump since he now lost. My head hurts listening to this crap for four years.

  63. Hold my beer says:

    Juice

    Restock your pantry and household goods. I suspect we will be at 1 million cases a week around thanksgiving and the hospitals will get overrun nationwide. We had over 120,000 new cases yesterday. And if people gather over thanksgiving the whole country could look like nyc in April. My area is setting new daily records. Over 1% of El Paso has tested positive in the last week. That would be like over 3 million people nationwide tested positive in a week. Would be a disaster if that were to happen.

  64. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Hold,

    Not going to happen here in the nyc metro. We already went through it.

  65. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Went out to nyc for the day yesterday. Daughter wanted to go to the slime institute. Went to a restaurant and stopped into Brooklyn to pick up beer at the brewery for someone’s birthday. They follow the guidelines, almost 99% of people mask up. Doubt it runs rampant here.

  66. Juice Box says:

    Pumps a friend’s brother got Sick last week most likely from subway, riding daily Brooklyn to Manhattan. Mask or not people don’t wash hands properly. It’s going to be a rough winter.

  67. BRT says:

    Mask are not magic, and they definitely don’t work to a large degree. The very little effectiveness they do have can tilt the stats in your direction like it did over the summer, turning a 1.03 Rate of Transmission to a .95. But when we are hovering around 1.14, it’s negative effect diminishes. It’s worth it to slow the virus, but, at some point, looking at cases worldwide now that most of the US and Europe is in the midst of flu season, they just aren’t the magic bullet that people believe they were. The UV light and heat of summer were the primary factors in reducing transmission.

    This is the genius that is Murphy, opening up indoor dining on the very last day of summer. He even brought Fauci on 6 weeks ago to obtain his blessing.

  68. njtownhomer says:

    I think GOP won the election, Trump lost his.

    However Lindsey has a good point, http://hill.cm/PK7C7f8

    And so many discussions going on about moderation and such. It is truly madness. Looks like Trump’s personal amnesty negotiations took over the brain of the entire GOP.

    People want to get things done in a reasonable logical manner. Not tantrums.

  69. Hold my beer says:

    The left is already starting to eat each other.

    Got popcorn?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/eva-longoria-apologized-facing-criticism-102425453.html

  70. 1987 Condo says:

    Pfizer vaccine 90% effective, Dow up 1,000

  71. Fabius Maximus says:

    Chi

    #1 You didn’t vote against him.
    #2 The tax returns have provenance, the laptop does not.
    #3 #4 Trumps taxes are two fold. The first are the loses and income. The second is like watching Ghostbusters. When the taxes meet the loans, just like the Lockmaster and Gatekeeper, things are going to explode.
    #5 The brand is now toxic and has been for a few years. Buildings have been suing to remove the name. The only interest is on the back of deals like Azerbaijan
    #6 The entire family (minus Melania) will decamp for Saudi Arabia. The revenue Donnie drove to his properties will dry up. Who is going to want to buy favor staying at TrumpDC. Doral and Turnberry were already losing money. Donnies loans are coming due. Are DB and co rolling them over. Who’s stepping up to buy them. You need to remember, that Donnie bought these properties as distressed and poured a lot of money into them. They were distressed for a reason. But you are the bond maven, what rating are you giving Donnies debt?
    #7 The bigger issue for Donnie, is not his taxes on Jan 21, but all the unsealed indictments that stem from the Mueller report. His kids and Rudy will get scooped up for processing.
    In the end, it was a 4 year grift and use and abuse of power (and not just the White Type). Donnie needs to be prosecuted, if only to deter the next one up. If this administration gets to walk, it sends the message that its ok to abuse the office. Thats when the country is in real trouble.

  72. D-FENS says:

    Do not concede. Recount every close state, audit the vote in close states, and thoroughly investigate any allegations of voter fraud.

    Resolve disputes like the PA situation in the Supreme Court.

  73. Fabius Maximus says:

    AOC won her race by 38 points. She can say whatever she wants.

    Interesting that people in here are criticising her for saying the Dems needs to change, yet they rant themselves that the Dems need to change.

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  75. Fabius Maximus says:

    Again, its all about the grift.

    CBS just reported that 60% of donations Trump is soliciting to “fight voter fraud” are going to campaign debts.
    https://twitter.com/goldencell/status/1325569649493241857

  76. leftwing says:

    “Left wing is good people.”

    Right back at you brother. Very nice to meet in person (Lisa too!).

    Gary, ditto. Good to get together.

    Grim, thanks for the hooch. The rye I brought back disappeared that evening.

  77. leftwing says:

    Trump’s head must literally be exploding on the Pfizer announcement, lol.

  78. Juice Box says:

    Yowza

    DOW +1,440.00 / +5.11%

    Travel industry stocks all up on the Pfizer news

  79. Fabius Maximus says:

    I think at this point Donnie is 0 for 10 in lawsuits. Just noise for the base. I cant see any of this getting to SCOTUS. Roberts is not going to touch this.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/nevada-election-results-the-3-000-challenged-votes-11604863720
    “Trump campaign examples of alleged voter fraud in Nevada turn out to be members of the military and their families who legally voted after being transferred to serve elsewhere. “

  80. Fabius Maximus says:

    “Trump’s head must literally be exploding on the Pfizer announcement, lol.”

    Reminds me of Carter in ’79. If the hostages had been released before the election, he gets a second term. Tehran wanted Saint Ronnie.

  81. ExEssex says:

    Donald Trump tweeted late into the night on Sunday, continuing to push claims of voter fraud as he refused to concede the election to Joe Biden. In a slew of tweets (right) sent around midnight Washington time – two of them flagged by Twitter for containing disputed information – the President pushed videos of his allies on Fox News alleging voter fraud and other irregularities, while calling for all claims to be fully investigated before the election result is allowed to stand. It comes amid reports that Trump (pictured main image yesterday) is planning a series of rallies where he will show off obituaries of dead people that his campaign claims were allowed to vote, while touting other allegations of fraud. The Trump campaign is also said to be putting together ‘a campaign-style media operation’ to challenge the result, while building up staff numbers in states where legal challenges and recounts are likely to go ahead. It comes despite some Republicans urging him to accept defeat including former President George W. Bush who issued a message telling him the election’s outcome was ‘clear’ and Chris Christie who said it was time for him to show evidence or ‘move on.’

  82. D-FENS says:

    Really an amazing coincidence that the vaccine was announced today.

  83. ExEssex says:

    Ahhhh what a great Monday!
    It’s … morning…in America.

  84. ExEssex says:

    8:06 nobody in pharma thought helping Trump was something they should do.
    Something about Trump being a shitbag/grifter/cunt/loser ….

  85. D-FENS says:

    Turns out election fraud is the cure for coronavirus

  86. ExEssex says:

    8:15 fixed: elections are the cure for the Trump Virus.

  87. ExEssex says:

    Sources claim Donald Trump will not attend Joe Biden’s inauguration in January
    White House insiders believe Donald Trump has no intention of admitting defeat
    One Republican source said Trump has ‘no concession speech’ prepared
    It is claimed that Donald Trump will not recognise Joe Biden’s presidency

  88. ExEssex says:

    The President spent hours holed up in the White House with a hardened core of loyalists spurring him on in his angry defiance of the result.

    Insiders described the atmosphere inside the West Wing as ‘manic, exuberant, energised and toxic’, with some staff lighting rose-scented candles in an attempt to soften the environment – and to combat the smell of fast-food delivered to the President and his inner circle.

    ‘His sons and closest aides have been egging him on while no one else dares raise the delicate matter that he has lost and needs to consider life post-presidency,’ said a source. ‘In his mind, he never looked past election day because he is superstitious and he thought it was bad luck.’

  89. ExEssex says:

    They’re going to want to fumigate that White House
    after COVID Donnie leaves….or is dragged out.

  90. Fast Eddie says:

    Really an amazing coincidence that the vaccine was announced today.

    DOW futures up over 1500 points. Trump’s legacy and achievements will be recognized. All these knee-jerk quips will fade in the coming days and weeks and the media will need to rely on the performance of O’Biden. By the way, one of O’Biden’s first actions in his role is to restore transgender students’ access to sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms in accordance with their gender identity. How quaint. Compare it to Trump’s achievements domestically and abroad and the contrast is blinding. It’s an extension of the Oblammy administration… and 47 years of living off his constituent’s dime.

  91. Fast Eddie says:

    71,000,000 p1ssed off Republicans.

    0 cities destroyed.

  92. D-FENS says:

    3 U.S. Code § 1 – Time of appointing electors
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    The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.

    (June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 672.)

    3 U.S. Code § 2.Failure to make choice on prescribed day
    U.S. Code

    Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.

    (June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 672.)

  93. 3b says:

    Rent: What are you babbling on about? Something about not respecting the results from what I can gather. I never said that. Biden won who cares? I did not vote for him or Trump. People in joyous celebrations as Trump gone only to be replaced by a bought and paid for career politician who was a big part of the reason Trump was elected in the first place. Americans whether they be on the left or right can be an incredibly stupid lot.

  94. 3b says:

    Biden confirmed on Saturday, vaccine announcement this morning I am not one for conspiracies, but it certainly raises an eyebrow.

  95. D-FENS says:

    Federal Law requires that the electors be chosen on election day. Any counting after is federally illegal.

  96. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    No win situation for Pfizer. They decided withholding the information was the safer route.

    I do have a major problem with the media and tech interference. It’s mind blowing. The examples are endless.

    These are full blown lobbying and propaganda superpowers. We’ve never seen anything like it in history. Time to regulate them.

    And guess what immigration reform, namely expanding H1Bs and open borders are at the top of Biden’s agenda. Who do you think he’s doing that for?

  97. Fast Eddie says:

    namely expanding H1Bs…

    The big corps that the left hates love the idea of cheaper labor; thus, the O’Biden presidency. The s0cial1sts talk about the orange d0lt while cutting off their noses to spite their faces. How does that sh1t pie taste?

  98. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    I care certainly and 10s of millions of others. Let’s challenge the legality of democratic governors changing election laws unilaterally. Let’s challenge whether there was systemic fraud pertaining to mail in ballots. There certainly are some anomalies.

    Then we get into the media and tech interference. Suppression, censorship. Fake news Wapo was claiming that Biden had a 17% lead in WI the week before the election, but the hunter Biden laptop story was misinformation. As far as I’m concerned, they’ve become the propaganda arm of the DNC entirely. Time to dismantle them.

  99. joyce says:

    Does the great American business ingenuity spurred on by President Trump cease to exist now or on Jan 20?

  100. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Eddie, how is Biden going to reconcile the hatred between the radical left and his corporate overlords? And they claim he will be a Uniter lol. I guess he’ll name AOC queen of some bullshlt feel good program and throw some cash her way. The propaganda industry has a lot of work to do.

  101. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    You can regulate small business to extinction. Try to open a restaurant in Europe. It only takes a few strokes of the pen.

    The radical green new deal Marxist manifesto is already in print. That’s a multi million job killer.

  102. ExEssex says:

    Hilarious…..

    Pence breaks silence to take credit for Pfizer vaccine – and drugs company immediately denies Trump involved.

    Pfizer has clarified that the US government was not involved in their development of a Covid-19 vaccine.

    Dr Kathrin Jansen, Pfizer’s head of vaccine development, told the New York Times: “We were never part of the Warp Speed … We have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.”

  103. Fast Eddie says:

    July 22, 2020:

    NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany–(BUSINESS WIRE)– Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021. Under the agreement, the U.S. government will receive 100 million doses of BNT162, the COVID-19 vaccine candidate jointly developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, after Pfizer successfully manufactures and obtains approval or emergency use authorization from U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

    https://investors.pfizer.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2020/Pfizer-and-BioNTech-Announce-an-Agreement-with-U.S.-Government-for-up-to-600-Million-Doses-of-mRNA-based-Vaccine-Candidate-Against-SARS-CoV-2/default.aspx

  104. ExEssex says:

    A long-time (10 day) Trump appointee refuses to sign-off on transition.
    Just another way Trump and his ‘ilk’ are continuing to undermine American
    Democracy.

  105. leftwing says:

    “…reports that Trump is planning a series of rallies where he will show off obituaries of dead people that his campaign claims were allowed to vote…”

    “His sons and closest aides have been egging him on…”

    If he spent a small fraction of the time he will spend here instead getting the word out pre-election re: COVID updates he wouldn’t find himself in this position…..

    He has an entire task force, the federal government, and the ability to call a press conference with national coverage on zero notice…..There will be a vaccine developed inside a year or so versus six years normally….Pfizer received $2.0B guaranteed purchase order from Operation Warp Speed, Trump’s baby….

    Instead of repeated task force pressers going into the election (ahem, free political advertising) he accuses doctors – mainstays of their well-to-do suburbs – of being mercenary and ruminates about possibly firing the most trusted face of information (Fauci)…..

    There are not words to describe how fcuking stupid he is….

  106. leftwing says:

    “No win situation for Pfizer. They decided withholding the information was the safer route.”

    Only half an ear on it as it’s background noise but CNBC started addressing announcement timing….specifically why a midpoint that was supposed to have been enveiled wasn’t…answer re: Pfizer was that FDA changed protocol slightly….

    Don’t mess with the entrenched bureaucracies….Again, I blame Trump here and not the establishment….if you’re an assh0le on the ice expect a good hard cross check from behind when the refs aren’t looking….Trump went out of his way to fcuk with FDA…what the hell did he expect?

  107. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    To imply that trump should immediately concede and that there is one sided abandonment of democratic tradition is propaganda fueled tds.

    Let’s start with Obama trying to poison the trumps admin and propaganda fed tds if you want to go there. Nonstop hoaxes, spying etc.

    LW-no question the establishment wanted him out. They undermined him continuously. We should jettison these bureaucrats every four years when the administration turns over.

  108. Libturd says:

    Trump was an asshole. No one likes to hang with one.

    As for the vaccine news timing? Blood money runs our government.

    BRT. Masks do work, especially if both parties are wearing them. The asshole ruined THAT possibility.

    https://msphere.asm.org/content/5/5/e00637-20

  109. relo says:

    “Trump’s Stealth Road to Victory” Nationalinterest.org

  110. relo says:

    Btw…I agree that Trump is an a-hole and narcissist, but what has Biden done in his nearly five decades in public service?

  111. Bystander says:

    Wow, in a day since Biden was elected vaccine announced and stock market on fire. Amazing, Joe, amazing..

  112. Hold my beer says:

    Pro Trump rural counties are the worst hit areas during the second wave.

    Not a coincidence.

    https://apnews.com/article/counties-worst-virus-surges-voted-trump-d671a483534024b5486715da6edb6ebf

    And they wind up getting shipped to blue areas because they’ve overrun their local hospitals. But at least they their have freedom.

    Amazing how Australia, New Zealand, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea and Vietnam took covid seriously and stamped it out or at least greatly contained it.

  113. Fast Eddie says:

    Amazing, Joe, amazing..

    He’s amazing! Bystander, you think you’re p1ssed off now over your pay scale? Wait until corporate taxes are raised 8% or 9% above current levels and the flood gates for H1B1 workers opens up.

  114. BRT says:

    Your implication is that if both people wear a non N95 mask, the other person will not get infected. This just isn’t true. What they’ve shown scientifically at best is that you would get a reduced viral load, which obviously can help. Given less particulate being dispersed, I’m sure rate of transmission goes down. Meanwhile, you have cases rising all over the world while we are wearing masks. Your statement is too black and white. They are at best, partially effective.

  115. crushednjmillenial says:

    Possibility . . .

    Pfizer kept a tighter lid on the vaccine results (which, maybe might have been leaked out otherwise) to pay Trump back for his “most favored nation” policy. Frankly, I am not sure what this policy is in reality, but in his speeches Trump makes it sound like US consumers will pay the same for pharma pills as other nations’ people do (which is presumably lower than US consumers have been paying).

    If this Pfizer announcement was made last Monday, I believe Trump would have won 290 electoral votes (kept everything from 2016 minus Michigan). In close elections, there are a lot of post-mortem “what-ifs”.

  116. D-FENS says:

    Hey did you guys know Justices Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barrett were all on Bush’s legal team in Bush v. Gore?

  117. chicagofinance says:

    I know….. pretty stark result.

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 9, 2020 at 8:57 am
    71,000,000 p1ssed off Republicans.

    0 cities destroyed.

  118. 3b says:

    Murphy announces new restrictions, I don’t know how he excepts bar/ restaurants to survive. State aid will have to be offered.

  119. chicagofinance says:

    Trump can do whatever he wants. Spend as much OF HIS money as he wants. It will amount to nothing. Of course there is fraud, but it is unlikely that it is material.

    Plus….. how many places to go? AZ, NV, NC, PA, GA….. does it even matter?

    TruthIsTheEnemy says:
    November 9, 2020 at 9:23 am
    Let’s challenge the legality of democratic governors changing election laws unilaterally. Let’s challenge whether there was systemic fraud pertaining to mail in ballots. There certainly are some anomalies.

  120. chicagofinance says:

    Imposible. It is common knowledge that Trump fast tracked a vaccine for his reelection and places millions of innocent Americans at risk…..just ask Joy Reid.

    ExEssex says:
    November 9, 2020 at 10:37 am
    Hilarious…..

    Pence breaks silence to take credit for Pfizer vaccine – and drugs company immediately denies Trump involved.

    Pfizer has clarified that the US government was not involved in their development of a Covid-19 vaccine.

    Dr Kathrin Jansen, Pfizer’s head of vaccine development, told the New York Times: “We were never part of the Warp Speed … We have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.”

  121. chicagofinance says:

    Made scores of girls and women uncomfortable by smelling them and touching them. Also, committed an alleged s5xual assault on Congressional grounds.

    relo says:
    November 9, 2020 at 12:56 pm
    but what has Biden done in his nearly five decades in public service?

  122. Bystander says:

    Well, Ed, in 4 years, the tax cuts did not a thing to improve my wages nor did Dumpy do a damn thing to stop H1B except when politically necessary in last 4 months after economy destroyed. No, Biden will not fix it. The corporatocracy will never let it happen so enjoy the ride until Fed’s money printing bomb explodes. Are you losing money today? I read post after posts quoting how markets soared after Trump’s election and Obama had nothing to do with it. Cherrypicking stats is not fun when your guy is on losing side.

  123. crushednjmillenial says:

    hold my beer . . .

    it is cherry-picking looking to the Asian countries and Oceania.

    I believe the large Western European nations are the best comparison for how the US is doing. Many of these countries are performing worse than the US, per capita. The 7-day average new cases confirmed currently stand at the following:

    France: 53k/day (which would be equivalent to about 250k/day in the US)
    Italy: 32k (eq. to 150k/day in the US)
    Spain: 17k (eq. to 130k/day in the US)
    UK: 22k (eq. to 110k/day in the US)
    Germany: 18k (eq. to 75k/ day in the US)

    The US 7-day average of new cases is 111k/day. So, better than France, Italy and Spain, on a per-capita basis. About same as UK. Worse than Germany.

    I disagree that the US public could have been cajoled into the behavior necessary to “Stamp out” this virus. The best we could have done is to have messaged social distancing better and then gotten the hospitals better prepared to deal with the sick by some targeted 2 week lockdowns when cases started running up in a given area.

  124. chicagofinance says:

    What is amazing is the likely Republican majority in the Senate, and also the market gambling that Biden will softshoe China and hand everything back to those cretins.

    Bystander says:
    November 9, 2020 at 12:58 pm
    Wow, in a day since Biden was elected vaccine announced and stock market on fire. Amazing, Joe, amazing..

  125. Nomad says:

    Immigration is important. A Turkish immigrant is allowed to enter Germany and as a result, the son of the immigrant invents the COVID 19 vaccine. In a world that is becoming more complex and technologically advanced, having a populace with signifiant horsepower between the ears matters. So the natural question to ask is, do I live in a country that attracts people with significant horsepower between the ears and if not, what can be done about it? 6+ decades ago, San Diego wanted to become a world class science hub but certain people were not allowed to live there. It was pointed out to TPTB in San Diego that without the said “undesirable” group, there was no chance for San Diego to achieve the desired goal. Today, world renowned research organizations such as the Salk Instituted are located in San Diego.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-biontech-ceo/newsmaker-behind-pfizers-vaccine-an-understated-husband-and-wife-dream-team-idUSL8N2HS6QC

  126. chicagofinance says:

    I thought Magic Mushrooms were only legalized in Oregon. You mean that they were legalized in New Jersey as well?

    Fabius Maximus says:
    November 9, 2020 at 6:57 am
    Chi

    #1 You didn’t vote against him.
    #2 The tax returns have provenance, the laptop does not.
    #3 #4 Trumps taxes are two fold. The first are the loses and income. The second is like watching Ghostbusters. When the taxes meet the loans, just like the Lockmaster and Gatekeeper, things are going to explode.
    #5 The brand is now toxic and has been for a few years. Buildings have been suing to remove the name. The only interest is on the back of deals like Azerbaijan
    #6 The entire family (minus Melania) will decamp for Saudi Arabia. The revenue Donnie drove to his properties will dry up. Who is going to want to buy favor staying at TrumpDC. Doral and Turnberry were already losing money. Donnies loans are coming due. Are DB and co rolling them over. Who’s stepping up to buy them. You need to remember, that Donnie bought these properties as distressed and poured a lot of money into them. They were distressed for a reason. But you are the bond maven, what rating are you giving Donnies debt?
    #7 The bigger issue for Donnie, is not his taxes on Jan 21, but all the unsealed indictments that stem from the Mueller report. His kids and Rudy will get scooped up for processing.
    In the end, it was a 4 year grift and use and abuse of power (and not just the White Type). Donnie needs to be prosecuted, if only to deter the next one up. If this administration gets to walk, it sends the message that its ok to abuse the office. Thats when the country is in real trouble.

  127. Bystander says:

    Hand what back Chi? A toothless trade deal and rhetoric? Big US corps were never behind China war and markets rose last year bc they knew it was toothless deal and would not impact a damn thing. They like free money and BAU.

  128. Hold my beer says:

    Crushed

    All of those countries have a much more urban population than us. Those countries took it seriously and did real lockdowns, quarantines, and contact tracing. We did not.

  129. D-FENS says:

    Chances are remote but possible. NC could go for him. Then any combo of the two: AZ, GA, NV, or WI…just need to go his way…maybe some fraudulent ballots are thrown out etc.

    He seems to have a strong case in PA…Alito already ordered all ballots received after election day be segregated…

    Add any combo of the above two and PA and he’s there.

    Many times I thought Trump was bat sh1t crazy only to see him proven right weeks or months later.

    He’s not the type to lay over and give up…he’s no squishy McCain or Romney…

    chicagofinance says:
    November 9, 2020 at 1:36 pm
    Trump can do whatever he wants. Spend as much OF HIS money as he wants. It will amount to nothing. Of course there is fraud, but it is unlikely that it is material.

    Plus….. how many places to go? AZ, NV, NC, PA, GA….. does it even matter?

  130. Bystander says:

    Wow, only the states where he lost were fraudulent..amazing coincidence, D.

  131. Libturd says:

    Want to play the creepy game?

    At the Four Seasons Landscaping rally the first guest Rudy called up is a bonafide sex offender.

    This here is today’s Republican Party.

    Maybe you guys will let Roseanne Barr hijack the party in 2024?

  132. Libturd says:

    HMB is correct.

    You either take this thing seriously or you suffer both mentally and economically for your freedom.

    It’s no surprise all of the countries doing worse than us are the most westernized.

  133. JCer says:

    Lib N95 masks are effective, the fabric things that people are wearing improperly do very, very little. Even if that study is correct 70% of virus is still coming out with the mask assuming worn correctly. The mask police also thinks they are magic which is a whole different problem.

    Trump is an idiot, what he says and how he conducts himself is a problem. But to Left’s point you cannot fault some of the policy. Warpspeed will deliver a result, Biden’s attempt at an unconstitutional lock down will fail miserably. Because of the messenger and how he communicated Biden will get credit for what Pence and Trump did.

    The democrat platform of regulation is a business killer, they do it at the behest of and in service to the massive corporations. The barrier of entry to most businesses prevents a competitive market. The green new deal is a nightmare.

    The thing that scares me is that the Senate is up for grabs. Democrat control of the 3 branches is a scary proposition. I wouldn’t want the republicans to control all three branches either. All politicians are morons, allowing them to changes laws in a radical way is always dangerous….

  134. DFensis BDStriggered says:

    D-Fens,

    Chill, he lost get over it. Your choice of possible two’s won’t happen.

    The democrats got the votes in early, knowing Trump was going to cheat his way. So you prepare for the cheating and make yourself as cheat proof as possible. Simple as that.

    Regarding your other states. AOC/BLM and Social Justice activist made sure every black person that could vote did vote. And sure as hell they did because they are very ticked off. So that takes care of PA, GA, & NC.

    About WI, well the Hoax Virus seemed not to have been such a hoax there so they sure did something about.

    About AZ (Arid Zone) and NV (Snowed ) Pray tell who makes a large chunk of the population there since before the US was the USA, who Trump enjoyed ticking off.

    Now, if you tell me that QAnon told you that all the conservative catholic supreme justices are planning to allow the Catholic Church recreate the Inquisition and molest every 10 yrs old boy, I concur with you and truly believe you.

  135. leftwing says:

    Bystander, you ought to pray to whatever deity you worship that Joe doesn’t get a Dem Senate….aside from the certain corporate taxes the finance industry will be in the crosshairs for sure. Non-revenue producing, cost center in a multinational financial?
    You think it’s bad now, you’ll be toast for sure……

  136. crushednjmillenial says:

    HMB . . .

    I wear a mask everywhere in public, covering my nose and mouth.

    Since Covid began, I basically have only been indoors with my girlfriend and a very small close family circle, in my personal life. Otherwise, zoom calls with friends and only in-person is to meet up to take a walk outdoors. Unfortunately, in my work life, I have had some begrudingly-necessary in-person, indoors episodes.

    Personally, I believe I have been in the top 10% of Covid compliance among Americans.

    With all that said, if a contact tracer actually got me on the phone, I would tell him or her to shove his or her head up their backside rather than voluntarily tell some government representative where I’ve been and who I have seen. I would rather throw my iphone in the Hudson River than install some Covid-related tracking app with an admitted, direct report to a govt entity. A typical Japanese person likely feels differently. There’s a cultural difference between the US and the developed Asian nations. There’s a geographical difference between the US and countries in Oceania. Europe is most analogous to the US – I would be more disappointed in the US response to Covid if Europe had substantially less per capita cases than the US.

    In sum, I just simply disagree that the US could have had a much different result in response to Covid so far than it has.

  137. JCer says:

    Bystander there are certainly more than a few anomalies in the numbers of those states. The results could be accurate or something could be off, but let stop pretending the numbers are totally “normal”. I’ve lived in Hudson county and understand machine politics, no way you get 90-100% turn out in the urban districts….

  138. leftwing says:

    C’mon guys, East/West comparisons aren’t really that valid without also noting the differences….

    Australia and NZ, islands, low international travel intensity especially when tourism is factored out….able to and did lock down.

    SK and Japan, culturally monolithic and compliant cultures.

    China? Authoritarian regime fcuking welding into their apartments citizens who test positive….

    Stopping the virus is easy, the science is simple. Lock down. Seriously. Not the lock down ‘light’ that we have and bitch about. But hard, suspension of civil rights, do-not-leave-the-house lockdown.

    That doesn’t happen in western democracies. It can, if there were support for it. But right now there is not.

  139. BRT says:

    Australia and NZ are islands that were in the midst of summer when the pandemic started. Those are outliers. They clearly had an advantage being and island and the temperature conditions favored them. They handled it right though in terms of getting it under control.

    Taiwan, again, advantage being an island, but A+ in my book if I were giving them a grade. They immediately smelled the WHO’s bullcrap and ignored it by taking precautions.

    They weren’t doing much different than anyone else in the beginning though. Maynard Keenan of Tool had coronavirus in late Feb and he was in Australia. He traveled to New Zealand. No screening, nothing. He was even sick on the plane and he knew it. He got diagnosed in New Zealand.

  140. Bystander says:

    left,

    F-em. I have masters, certifications and 20 years experience in business and tech. If I am getting throw out then this country is squarely screwed. I saw the treatment of exec under Trump administration and they took tax money for themselves. Regulations would be a plus for my area. My bank has not given a sh&t about investing in reg tech since Trump took over. We are hemorrhaging issues with DTCC and FINRA.

  141. Libturd says:

    JCER,

    Stop believing the bullsh1t memes. The numbers in Wisconsin were perfectly normal. Just give it up already. You are beginning to look like the puzzyhat wearers.

    https://fox11online.com/news/election/false-claims-of-wisconsin-voter-fraud-rely-on-wrong-numbers

  142. JCer says:

    crushed you prove my point, I had this conversation with my father in law who hate Trump. My point was there was no policy to fix this, the people who aren’t masking, won’t mask regardless of who is president. Don’t expect people to respect lock downs or contact tracing either. Honestly they cannot get Spaniards to respect the lock downs, they are rioting. Americans wouldn’t take it lying down either.

  143. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    Look at what these countries are doing now. Look at what we are doing now.

    Stark, stark differences.

    Of course, everyone in Japan doesn’t believe the government is hiding aliens in the desert north of Sydney.

  144. Libturd says:

    Anyone know where Homeboken went?

    He seemed to have disappeared the moment it appeared he lost his bet with me. Wanker.

  145. Fast Eddie says:

    At the Four Seasons Landscaping rally the first guest Rudy called up is a bonafide sex offender.

    So is O’Biden.

  146. Libturd says:

    Where’s the proof?

    The other guy is in the register.

  147. Fast Eddie says:

    First hand account, no anonymous whistleblowers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9BD6dM7hzs

  148. joyce says:

    I agree and do not think people in this country will respect lock downs and contact tracing either (some forms of them could be unlawful under our constitution). I think a lot more people would wear masks if it wasn’t for Trump’s antics… that said, I agree with BRT that they help but are not a panacea.

    JCer says:
    November 9, 2020 at 2:34 pm
    crushed you prove my point, I had this conversation with my father in law who hate Trump. My point was there was no policy to fix this, the people who aren’t masking, won’t mask regardless of who is president. Don’t expect people to respect lock downs or contact tracing either. Honestly they cannot get Spaniards to respect the lock downs, they are rioting. Americans wouldn’t take it lying down either.

  149. Dink says:

    “Anyone know where Homeboken went?”

    Probably muttering in a corner somewhere “Buu, buu, buuu, buut……Bobulinski”

  150. Bystander says:

    Seems like many have reached first stage on this board – denial..only 4 more to go.

  151. BRT says:

    Lib,

    I am looking, and it’s not just masks. Japan is an incredibly disciplined populace. Virtually all my friends are liberal and mask worshippers. They all also think it’s magical and social distancing takes a back seat when you have a mask on. I’m pro mask, but like I said, it’s not the magic bullet. It’s just a small piece of the puzzle.

  152. Dink says:

    Homeboken nailed it….

    “I’m now looking at my map and I see Trump winning 39 states, with 3 more in play.”

    http://njrereport.com/index.php/2020/10/25/c19-open-discussion-week-33/#comment-1181950

  153. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    If you want to look for reason why Pfizer would like to see trump go, he did say he would push for access to but pharmaceuticals at foreign costs. That must have sent a shiver up many a lobbyist spine. Joe is their bought man.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/pfizer-ceo-says-trumps-executive-orders-overhauling-us-drug-pricing-will-cause-enormous-destruction.html

  154. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Turd, you really want to play the pedo card when Weinstein and Epstein we’re both tight with the dnc? Really?

  155. JCer says:

    BRT, the mask magic thinking is my favorite. My mother thinks she can eat out, go to stores, go to AC and the mask makes it “safe”……

    On the COVID front we are getting closer to looking into something that I mentioned during peak Chloroquine hype. Indomethacin and NSAID from the 1950’s which has shown a remarkable ability in past animal studies to deactivate corona viruses of differing types.

    https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/10/27/protein-mapping-study-reveals-valuable-clues-for-covid-19-drug-development/

    It is my belief that if people were taking this drug on the first sign of symptoms, covid becomes a nasty cold rather than the severe disease it is today. I also really think the elderberry and oregano oil regimen is effective against COVID.

    As for Trumps strategy for the election at this point I think he is trying to delay so nothing gets certified and it goes to clowngress to select the new President. I don’t see them clawing back enough votes to turn 2-3 states….

  156. JCer says:

    Truth, Trunp had to go because he was not reliably bought, even if you pay him he still would fcuk you. Guys like Biden and the Clintons are a pain in the A$$ but they are easily controlled with a bribe. The issue is Biden was a trojan horse to get the support of the corps and the establishment Republicans. He is not operating independently at this time and might not complete his term. He will do what his handlers tell him to do at this point.

  157. BRT says:

    It is my belief that if people were taking this drug on the first sign of symptoms, covid becomes a nasty cold rather than the severe disease it is today. I also really think the elderberry and oregano oil regimen is effective against COVID.

    I spoke to 3 Physicians and also saw it on Medcram. From the very beginning until now, they’ve been supplementing Quercitin and Zinc. Zinc has already proven to inhibit viral replication in this virus and Quercitin increases the bioavailability. This is documented in the published journal literature. HCQ actually does the same thing increasing Zinc uptake. Also, Vitamin D & C supplementation. I’ve been doing the same thing since Sept. I’ve had two close contact exposures in school, both times, tested negative. I’m actually getting antibody tested on Wednesday.

  158. BRT says:

    And yes, it’s also well documented that if you treat prior to day 5/6 (viral explosion), your chance of being hospitalized decrease by an absurd amount.

  159. D-FENS says:

    jUsT aCCepT thE ReSulTS sO wE cAN hEAl!

  160. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Agree completely he’s a Trojan horse for the Marxist progressives who want to enslave us.

    But the global corporatist control the levers for the time being. This is the “establishment” and they can run policy circles around the rabble rousers.

    The rabble rousers are fodder to the real power brokers. Discard them when they no longer serve a purpose, which is now.

    If Biden is around, that power struggle will be epic.

  161. Bystander says:

    Last week: But, but..Trump lowered their tax rates. He was a god to the economy. The greatest in the history of mankind. Companies have never been stronger nor profits bigger
    Today: No, really they hated him and they caused him to lose.

  162. Bystander says:

    Liesaremyfriends,

    Nothing says pedo like running Miss Teen pageants and walking in on their dressing rooms. Also basically stating live on air that you would f your daughter if she were not yours..

  163. 3b says:

    Bernie says progressives will hold Biden accountable , the radical left hates corporate America, who are Biden’s overlords; this should be interesting.

  164. JCer says:

    BRT, I have that on my medicine shelf(Quercetin and zinc) as well. I can’t legitimately get Indocin unless I buy it from a dodgy chinese site(god only knows what you’d be taking…), otherwise I’d have that on hand as well. If I got COVID I’d request it from the doctor, to treat my “headache and muscle aches” of course. Of course our NIH did a lot of research on Indocin post SARS, why we would not have tried it for COVID is really a big question in my mind. Unlike Chloroquine they asctually tested indocin in-vivo in animals.

  165. JCer says:

    Trump is a total creep, that has never been in question. It’s Biden who claims virtue….

    Trump outlived his usefulness, his tax cuts were welcomed. When he started going after their slaves, that’s when things got ugly. Do you know how hard your employer has been trying to bring indentured servants over? That’s a key part of my job, I process a lot of paper work to bring over our low cost help from India, Trump made life very difficult for us. Do you not think my corporate overlords wanted him gone? Same thing with the Drug co’s, corps love a guy like Clinton who will do their biding for a small fee, they think Biden will shift to center when he gets into office, little do they know they threw their support behind a stroke victim…….

  166. JCer says:

    3b, caveat emptor, biden won’t last long enough to be worth what they paid for him. there is a reason Pelosi was looking into the 25th amendment and it had nothing to do with Trump….

  167. njtownhomer says:

    H1B issue is a bit personal to many. It may impact many individuals in an adverse way, but overall it is positive for the whole economy IMHO.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-12/cuts-to-h-1b-visas-for-skilled-immigrants-hurt-u-s-economy

    If your current job is impacted by it, with WFH or outsourcing you will see the impact in the near future anyway. Just pushing the time a bit further.

  168. Fast Eddie says:

    No denial here. No burning and looting, no screaming into the dark night, no p.ussy hats, no coloring books, binkies or blankies. It’s done. However, I don’t concede the election, never will, will never accept the old, senile f.uck as my president, won’t read or listen to one word he has to say, will snort at every failure by the left and will not acknowledge the cunt who’s a heartbeat away from his job.

    I think the best thing to do is split this country into two; those who believe in a classic, quintessential, paramount form of a Republic and those who wish for a conjunctive, communal type of subservient government.

  169. BRT says:

    It’s election day!!!!

    https://youtu.be/OQ04YdyQPAc?t=63

    Remember the first rule of politics. The ballots don’t make the results, the counters make the results. The counters. Keep counting.

    – Boss Tweed

  170. FastEddieNeeds ThorazineForBDS says:

    Fast Eddie,

    I concur with you. Take you stuff and move to Alabame & Miss isssippissi. See if the local boys are friendly to your Yankee rear end.

    Frankly loosing the south will improve the IQ and economic future of the country. Those southern states will become for a few years a rhodesia/apartheid south africa before having a revolution where whitey is hanged and then they’ll become failed states, where will have to put a nice big wall border.

  171. BRT says:

    BRT, I have that on my medicine shelf(Quercetin and zinc) as well. I can’t legitimately get Indocin unless I buy it from a dodgy chinese site(god only knows what you’d be taking…), otherwise I’d have that on hand as well. If I got COVID I’d request it from the doctor, to treat my “headache and muscle aches” of course. Of course our NIH did a lot of research on Indocin post SARS, why we would not have tried it for COVID is really a big question in my mind. Unlike Chloroquine they asctually tested indocin in-vivo in animals.

    Big pharma is hopelessly entangled with the FDA and NIH. Why people suddenly started denying the concept of “regulatory capture” is beyond me. They don’t want simple treatments.

    Here’s a story I have for you. When J&J bought Janssen Pharma, they were buying a whole laundry list of potential HIV meds. The most promising one is still to this day the most effective. They were planning on putting it on the shelf for 5 years so they could roll out all the others and profit off each one successively. This was evil in that it would have costs hundreds of thousands of lives at the time, specifically, in Africa. One of the scientists, who I know personally, sent out emails to all the HIV groups about their plan and they went on a tirade and forced J&J to release it right away. These pharma execs don’t care how many people die if it puts money in their pocket.

  172. BRT says:

    Oh yeah, as far as meds go, it pays to have a father that actively practices. If he can’t get his hands on it, his friends can.

  173. Fast Eddie says:

    FastEddieNeeds ThorazineForBDS,

    Come up with an original term. BDS… lol. That’s the point, you wish there was a derangement like the democrats enjoy. There isn’t. We’ll keep working and keep supporting you and your kind. Don’t worry. We understand how hard it is for the weak who left-bearing followers, witnessed by the outrage and denial. You’ll get your entitlements until, of course, that dream of succession become reality. Then, you’ll need to hope the commune or village you occupy deems some of you worthy of a subsidy. It must s.uck… just surviving and not having the drive to succeed.

  174. Bystander says:

    JCer,

    Trump had two years of control of Senate, House and could not raise wage for H1B? That would solve a big chunk of it but he did not a thing. Why? He brought fired Disney workers out on campaign trail , promised to get ride of H1B program then backtracked said he was smart for using H1b. He simply set-up a few road bumps – charged more for premium processing, and changed lottery process so less went to Wipro and Infosys. At end of the day, 85k were requested, 85k were approved, 85K more here to take jobs. Lip service. I deal with this stuff too.

  175. Juice Box says:

    AOC and cohorts about about to get another taste of the Boomers running the party.
    Rahm Emanuel will be in Biden’s cabinet, and Biden and his crew will laugh as they hear frustrated screaming over it.

  176. JuicePlease GiveSomeSedativesTOEddie says:

    Juice,

    Expect progressive to primary machine dems in 2022 and even Harris in 2024. They are really out for blood. It really is kill off the boomer Dem Party third way machine. They got a taste of what they can do as they turned AZ, GA Blue and made Tx very very close for next time even with all the Texas GOP gerrymandering.

    I expect another Trump like GOPer to take the presidency in 2024 because the dem machine wont correct itself and do what needs to be done.

  177. Hold my beer says:

    At least half the money raised for his election appeals will go towards his campaign debts

    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/john-oliver-trump-grift-101924369.html

  178. chicagofinance says:

    I was with you until “However,”, but then FlabMax’s Magic Shrooms kicked in….. what does all of that stuff accomplish? If your arguments have merit, feel confident that you can address their allegations with logic and perseverance.

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 9, 2020 at 4:40 pm
    No denial here. No burning and looting, no screaming into the dark night, no p.ussy hats, no coloring books, binkies or blankies. It’s done. However, I don’t concede the election, never will, will never accept the old, senile f.uck as my president, won’t read or listen to one word he has to say, will snort at every failure by the left and will not acknowledge the cunt who’s a heartbeat away from his job.

    I think the best thing to do is split this country into two; those who believe in a classic, quintessential, paramount form of a Republic and those who wish for a conjunctive, communal type of subservient government.

  179. chicagofinance says:

    BRT: did you used to post under “dreamtheater”?

  180. Hold my beer says:

    DFW area is getting really hot with covid.

    Last Thursday Tarrant county set a new daily record with over 900 cases. That record was broken again on Friday. and Saturday went over 1,000 cases for the first time.
    Today Tarrant broke 1,500 cases. Back in September Tarrant was only getting 200 cases a day.

    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/tarrant-county-covid-19-cases-top-75000-record-1525-cases-added-monday/2475330/

  181. Bystander says:

    Jcer,

    I actually had my third round of interview last week for smaller broker dealer in city. I did not make it to fourth unfortunately. Here is how it went, recruiter (direct hire) loved me so passed resume last month for Sr IT PM. They were ok with my range which was 15% more than making now (first time that was not deal breaker in years). I get interview with woman who would be my manager, head of IT project controls. She says looking for Sr IT PM to manage project strategy, IT investment, planning but also someone who can get into dirty into analysis..no problem. She sets me up one of her directors, one who manages analysts/client engagement. She loves me too as I have background to do analysis but also experience in managing stakeholder expectations. So now they love my project management skills and analysis..but they are also looking for Agile rollouts. They set-me up with IT delivery director and he immediately starts asking if I am active scrum master. I explained that I have 60 people in workforce, 3 outsourcing vendor relations, 7m in budget mgt across 7 apps and 4 business analysts that are direct reports. We hired Agile scrum masters in India bc our development in done there, not at all in US. My role is trying to strategize 7 group heads and dozens of Agile teams across different levels of maturities. He goes “so, you don’t manage Agile boards?” Interview ended after 20m. They were looking for Agile scrum master this whole time. This is par for course. No one knows what they want but they want everything upfront and then one thing specifically. A waste of time.

  182. D-FENS says:

    Maybe it’s a fluke but RCP has put PA in the undecided column

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2020/president/

  183. NJCoast says:

    Went to Manhattan for husband’s surgery at Sloan Kettering on upper east side. Traffic like Christmas. Traffic cops at every intersection to prevent gridlock. Heading back across town to the Lincoln Tunnel, Herald Square looked like New Year’s Eve. People everywhere. Took me half an hour to get through the tunnel. I thought the city was supposed to be a boarded up ghost town. Although the restaurant we ate lunch at outside had only 2 other tables the whole time we were there.

  184. 3b says:

    And Az. It’s not over yet. Regardless of ones politics we are talking about the integrity of the process. If Biden won so be it, but let’s be reassured it was conducted properly.

  185. ExEssex says:

    DeFenz and FreeBee.

    It’s over lemme call the waaaahhhhhbulance.

  186. Libturd says:

    HMB,

    It’s bad here and about to explode to much, much higher numbers than it did during the first wave? Why? The first time around, everyone was scared. This team, people are being way more blaze about it. I get it. Until someone close to you dies from it, it just doesn’t seem too bad.

    Our younger son’s school of 15 kids had two separate cases so far. Then a kid on his hockey team spread it to other teammates. Luckily, we were in the 2nd practice group, not the first. It is now spreading to the infected kid’s parents.

    We are back in lock-down mode at home. We will surpass our peak by Friday and the pace of change is quicker this time than last. This round is going to be much uglier than last time.

    We have a friend in a hospital in Texas. It’s horrible down there and about to get much worse. Whatever. I won’t be exercising my right to get sick.

  187. 3b says:

    Essex: Show a Little maturity and some class, and let the process play out. If it was the other way around you would want the same and you would be right.

  188. Libturd says:

    3b,

    It’s not over yet and feel free to scrutinize the results. But to claim cheating, fraud, more votes than registered voters, etc., is just plain stupid and silly.

  189. Bystander says:

    3b,

    For a guy who apparently did not have a horse in the race, you sure seem to carry water for Dumpy.

  190. D-FENS says:

    https://twitter.com/brendankeefe/status/1325202849974816770?s=21

    #BREAKING development that *may* significantly affect the current Biden lead in Georgia. “Fulton County has discovered an issue involving reporting from their work on Friday.”
    @11AliveNews we don’t know how many ballots are in question, or which way they would change the count.

  191. Very Stable Genius says:

    Donald, you are fired!

  192. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bill Barr is very good at humoring Trump but never actually delivering on the maximalist things Trump claims to want.

  193. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    Stock market says your WFH position was overplayed. I knew it. Commercial was too beaten down, was easy money. I actually thought of selling my Clifton property and dumping it all in vornado. I actually posted that here. Damn, did I miss out.

    I’m still sick every time I look at PLUG. I had 10,000 worth at 1.25 a pop. If I just held, I would be almost 200,000 dollars richer. F me. Instead I took profits made in that and dumped it in pancakes. F’ing A, costly lesson, but well worth it. Learned so much. Just hurts watching plug keep going up and knowing that 10,000 is now almost 200k. Cost of the lesson keeps going up…

  194. 3b says:

    Bystander: Thought you were above that, but I guess not. That’s my biggest problem with the proud Democrats if we don’t agree then we are suspect and must be secret Trump supporters, I am anything but. I am concerned about the process if there are credible concerns and there are politics and Trump hatred aside, then they should be fully investigated period. This is more than Biden/Trump. It was done for Al Gore and the process played out and we were stuck with George Bush who by the way I despised. If it’s investigated and the concerns are fully investigated and turn out to be nothing then the process has worked. And if it’s Joe Biden he will be my President despite the fact I did not vote for him or Trump. If reasonable people whatever their politics cannot even agree on this then there is truly no hope going forward for this country.

  195. 3b says:

    Pumps Give it a rest. WFH is here to stay period. Move on.

  196. A Home Buyer says:

    Dfens,

    That post is 2 days old and if you can be bothered to scroll two whole tweets down it says it resulted in a net increase to Biden after it was corrected.

    Come on man. Give it a rest. I despise Biden too but this is lunacy.

  197. 3b says:

    Lib: No disagreement there. I just want the process to play out. Reasonable people should be able to agree on that.

  198. Hold my beer says:

    D-Fens

    If you read the next two messages on that Twitter feed you would see provisional ballots were impacted. They were rescanned with the deputy Secretary of State and observers from both parties watching. Biden wound up with more votes

  199. Bystander says:

    3b,

    If fraud exists then why would it only be in the key states that Trump lost at end? We would have to open it up to FL or TX too, right? Gore had one state that came down to a few hundred votes. Dumpy is suing in what, 5 states where it is 20-45k difference in some cases. C’mon.

  200. ExEssex says:

    Trump is a parasite.

  201. JCer says:

    Bystander, I actually deal with the visa as all of my directs we brought over on visa. At one point I wanted to retain my US team members about 4-5 years ago and my boss asked why, I told her I thought they were great employees. Her question, what can they do that the guys we bring from India can’t do, because they get paid 2/3rds what the US folks were making and they are captive. Under the past 2 years we have gotten a ton of rejections, so much so our management is starting to consider hiring domestically. I have an entirely offshore team because we failed on 3 visa applications, your people ask why we can’t do anything during US hours it’s so bad.

    I’ve done the scrum master thing, it’s a stupid job, you are like a baby sitter for the developers, consider yourself lucky. We have both scrum masters to talk to the developers and real PM’s, I’d rather talk to the real PM’s as they seem to know what will be delivered when vs. the Scrum masters who speak in stories and epics but can’t tell you anything intelligible about when the functionality will be delivered. Anyone can do the job if the dev is done locally, the scrum master needs to work dev team hours…..

    Given the questionable election changes that may or may not have been legal it is no surprise Trump is digging his heels in. Any avenue they have they will take and anyway to ruin the dems party they will try. That is the fundamental difference between Trump and the other republicans, Trump has the stomach to be a real d-bag, which was formerly something on the Dems were willing to do….

  202. njtownhomer says:

    He is suing to pay the bills accumulated. During this time he is establishing the vitriol, the rhetoric and also raise money to retire the campaing debt. it is in the fineprint of his emails.

  203. 3b says:

    Bystander: If there were allegations of fraud in those states on either side than investigate as well. I just don’t want to listen to 4 years of he, Biden is not my President and all the other associated crap. If we want to move on from Trump, take the time and conduct the investigations. And if no issues than fine. Biden President life goes on.

  204. Very Stable Genius says:

    History books will forever read:

    “One-term, impeached LOSER!”

  205. BRT says:

    If you recall the sentiment 4 years ago.

    “I am not going to spend an ounce of thought on a legal challenge to an election two years ago when we have critical midterm elections in a few months,” said Neil Makhija, a lecturer at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, when asked for comment. Makhija, who ran for public office in 2016 as a Democrat, argued that Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf, also a Democrat, “is doing everything he can to update our systems to be secure and accurate.”

    But David Jefferson, a computer scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, says there is good reason to keep fighting. An expert on election security, he provided technical support and guidance during the initial recount effort.

    “It absolutely was not a Stein campaign cash grab,” he told The Daily Beast. And while examining voting machines and their source code may not change the result of the last election — Stein’s attorneys would quickly note they are not trying to — it could help secure the next one, Jefferson argued. It is about transparency.


    “To be perfectly clear, we never really had any evidence [of vote hacking],” he said. “The point we have always been making is that you have to look. You have to check. You don’t just accept the results of complex software, especially proprietary software. You don’t just trust it.”

  206. BRT says:

    I didn’t get to see the fine print of the new “restrictions” but doesn’t it appear that Murph is reaching here. Are you able to prevent someone from doing something in a neighboring state like play sports? He has no authority once you are there.

  207. D-FENS says:

    You are being brainwashed to accept the results of the election as fair. You will be told that only bad people are skeptical in this situation, and that you will be held to account for doubting.

  208. BRT says:

    Any rational person makes their decision after they’ve been informed of the facts. At this stage in the game, we have most people forming their opinions based on how their preferred media sources tell them how to think.

  209. Very Stable Genius says:

    Gary’s 4-year dream of an Apartheid ended up with with a black VP.

  210. D-FENS says:

    There’s probably Republican fraud mixed in there to…which might explain why no one ever really wants to look into it.

    I want as much sunlight on what happened (and is happening) as possible. Why would anyone object to that?

  211. Hold my beer says:

    When will we break 1 million cases a week? At the rate we are going up I’m going with next week or the week after and 1.5 to 2 million a week first week of December

    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/michael-osterholm-coronavirus-warning-winter-075853232.html

  212. leftwing says:

    “I didn’t get to see the fine print of the new “restrictions” but doesn’t it appear that Murph is reaching here. Are you able to prevent someone from doing something in a neighboring state like play sports? He has no authority once you are there.”

    Compromise. Look at one activity in particular and the owners who would be impacted. Look at their backgrounds and balance sheets. You will see why they were re-opened and why this accommodation is being made.

    “Any rational person makes their decision after they’ve been informed of the facts. At this stage in the game, we have most people forming their opinions based on how their preferred media sources tell them how to think.”

    Problem is, MSM has stopped reporting facts.

  213. 30 year realtor says:

    To all you Trumpers, where is your proof of election fraud? Cases filed have been dismissed due to lack of adequate evidence of voter fraud. If you have proof, bring it! If not, STFU.

  214. JCer says:

    D-FENS, nothing has been determined about the election but just from the data the the swing states are an anomaly compared to the other states. Also the sheer amount of time spent counting is questionable and the reports of the post office backdating ballots is very questionable. The big question is how many ballots were post dated? Just from a data perspective the results in the swing states are very dissimilar from other states. Based on the methods we use to find election fraud in the third world, this election fails the basic checks and should receive some scrutiny…..

    When your election resembles one in Venezuela or Cuba you may have a problem…

  215. Hold my beer says:

    D-Fens

    I’m sure there are people on both sides who did mail in ballot and voted in person, or mailed in a ballot of a dead relative. I really doubt there were tens of thousands of such cases in the swing states to make much of a difference. If the Dems had fixed Biden’s election, you would think they would have gotten up to 52 seats minimum in the senate and gained seats in the house. Instead they have lost seats in the House, and gained 1 senate seat and have 2 runoffs in Georgia which will see the Dems at best get up to 50. Without at least 50 in the Senate and McConnel in charge Biden won’t get anything of substance through.

    I have no issue with doing recounts in close races, but I doubt there will be tens of thousands of discrepancies to swing the results in any state.

  216. Juice Box says:

    My son was sent home from school today sore throat and headache. No fever, no cough. We have to now run out and get a negative Covid test or alternate diagnosis otherwise mandatory quarantine for 14 days.

    Pediatrician will see him this afternoon but they don’t do the Covid test. CVS and all other local Rapid antigen testing locations are booked solid down here for days no appointments available for booking online. So we will go to Pediatrician and then do a walk in at the Immediate care clinic for the Rapid test if needed.

  217. ExEssex says:

    10:58 casting doubt on a democratic election
    appears to be the GOPs only hope now.

    Gaslight. Oppose. Project.

  218. JCer says:

    Hold, you don’t understand the situation. Establishment politicians on both sides wanted Trump gone, the conspiracy targets Trump and Trump alone. The CIA candidate always wins(it could be on either side, they typically direct it based on the current climate), Trump won in 2016 and was not supposed to, and his decisions to pull troops out is a big problem for the military industrial complex. The sheer amount of coordination between the media, politicians, post office, etc points to a conspiracy. Easier to fix an election than assassinate a president ala JFK.

    A whole lot of Biden only ballots appeared, no other local races filled and they came late which is very odd indeed, even more unusual is that it only happened in swing states and all of the votes came from areas know for political corruption that just happen to be controlled by the opposition. Here the rub if they fixed other local races you are now dealing with a block of angry republicans instead of one who most politicians and at least half the american public does not like. Too hard to swing multiple races without drawing too much attention.

  219. D-FENS says:

    Poll watcher from NJ-11

    What’s wrong with a little more sunlight guys? What’s there to be afraid of?

    https://www.ntd.com/new-jersey-gop-poll-watcher-claims-election-interference_525694.html

  220. JCer says:

    Juice, the sore throat isn’t typically covid but if your son has a very bad headache(like the worst headache you have ever had and no over the counter pain killers will help) it could be covid.

    Good luck, hopefully it isn’t covid but you should put him on elderberry and zinc if you haven’t yet and everyone else in the house as well, it really does cut transmission of colds within the household.

  221. JCer says:

    D-Fens, in Newark, Hudson cty, and Camden cty practice election fraud even when they don’t need to. Fraud and NJ go together like bread and butter, most ofg our pols have more in common with the m@fia than anything else…

  222. 3b says:

    Juice: Good luck with your Son. Hopefully not Covid.

  223. JCer says:

    Essex first start by illegally changing election law, most state legislatures didn’t approve the changes ….The dems fired the first shot they knew what they were doing….Hillary Clinton even told Biden not to concede what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. They knew this would be a tight race and changed the rules to make the election questionable as they did not think under the existing election procedures they could win. Win or lose the republicans need to make life difficult, they have no choice….

  224. njtownhomer says:

    Juice, Westwood now has a test going on today between 9am-2.30pm
    free for Bergen residents. newbridgehealt.org

  225. BoomerRemover says:

    Juice!
    There is free Covid TEsting in Westwood today through 2:30PM.
    It’s free to all Bergen County residents with ID.

    My kid sprouted 103.5F and we went yesterday. Spit test, outdoors, were in and out with no line.

  226. D-FENS says:

    How things might go

    1. There is no voter fraud
    2. There is no ‘widespread’ fraud
    3. Those are just glitches
    4. Those are frauds but they won’t change the outcome
    5. Even if fraud happens SCOTUS can’t do anything
    6. Just cuz SCOTUS took the case doesn’t mean anything
    7. Justices Trump appointed and Thomas must recuse
    8. Republicans are cheating
    9. Time to put the Plywood back up

  227. D-FENS says:

    Think I’m crazy (you’re probably right), but don’t take my word for it Van Jones told you what the plan was all along. Ask yourself, what did a guy as politically connected as Van know?

    Here he is speaking in October about this very thing. He calls following the law a “Coup”and the electoral college a “loophole”

    https://youtu.be/WZWRhLW7Y8w

  228. D-FENS says:

    Van has one foot in the legacy media and one in the DNC. He knew this was going to happen

  229. 30 year realtor says:

    All 4 states without a projected winner in the presidential election have republican governors. Should we be worried there is a conspiracy afoot?

  230. D-FENS says:

    “Projected winner”

  231. 3b says:

    Family member has filed for divorce, second one. No kids, so that’s good. She owned house prior to marriage but with a mortgage. Husband spends obscene amount of money on renovations, more than the sale price of house, looks awful but that’s another story, basically one bedroom now. She seems to think she is going to keep the house and they just walk away! I told she is out of her mind, and this is a woman with a professional career. People are certainly crazy!!

  232. Hold my beer says:

    3b

    Introduce her to Phoenix

  233. Hold my beer says:

    Juice

    Hopefully it is step or a cold and not covid.

  234. Fabius Maximus says:

    Again the only real fraud is what went on and continues to go on with the USPS.

    The Postal Service continued receiving thousands of ballots Monday, many of which won’t be counted because they’ve arrived after the deadline for states to process late, postmarked votes.
    https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1326179026705281024

  235. Fabius Maximus says:

    So we have two things in play. The first is that there is a power struggle to be his successor. They know is is toast and they want to hold onto his base. They dont want to P1ss off the 70million that did pull a lever for him. So they will back his fantasy.

    The second is that Donnie needs to hold on to power at any cost. The moment he is out he’s toast. He knows it. He also knows that he is up against a wall and needs an escape plan.

    This tells me he is getting ready to skip town.
    For Sale: A Gold-Slathered Sikorsky S-76B Helicopter Owned By Soon-To-Be Former President Trump https://jalopnik.com/for-sale-a-gold-slathered-sikorsky-s-76b-helicopter-ow-1845622359

    Add in todays news on the Saudi Arms deal and we have a destination.

  236. Fabius Maximus says:

    Juice, had the same thing happen. I told them it was allergies, but he was still sent home regardless. Took the kid to the pediatrician who said the same thing. She wrote a letter signing him back into school with no test required. School where happy with that as at that point they are covered.

  237. Fast Eddie says:

    O’Biden in the first 100 days:

    – “The people on the company visa have built this country. (Really? Say that to a Union guy and you’ll get your teeth punched out.) I will lift the ban on H1B!” (See Amazon, Google, MS, etc. for the celebration on cheap labor over American workers.)

    – “On day one, I’m going to send the legislative immigration reform bill to congress to provide a roadmap to citizenship to 11,000,000 undocumented (illegal) immigrants (aliens).” (Yay, more votes for the s0c1alist party!)

    – “The former vice president also said that he will rescind Muslim travel ban. (I’ll trade security for votes any day, says the old f.uck!)

  238. Dink says:

    I’m old enough to remember all the way back in 2016 when the current president claimed vast voter fraud as well. Millions of illegal ballots cast he claimed. He even convened a commission on investigating voter fraud. What did that turn up?

    I love how the right wing conspiracy theorists who are fed a steady stream of made up propaganda from the right-wing media sites they frequent call people brainwashed. Stuff that takes like 2 minutes to disprove if you pull your head out of the sewer for a second. But they keep feeding at the trough. You are not skeptical people but rather dangerously gullible dupes who are preyed upon for that lack of true skepticism and there is nothing you can’t be made to believe if your Dear Leader demands it be so.

  239. JCer says:

    Dink, the dem machines in major cities have been vote harvesting for the last 60+ years. Spare the “there is no fraud”, make elections secure and require id. Why the resistance, if you can’t get your sh*t together enough to get an id and go to a poll you shouldn’t be voting. this is self inflicted by the Democrats who steadfastly refused to secure the election process. You reap what you sow, if you wanted elections that aren’t question implement sensible security and procedures.

    As for USPS and late ballots, Fab election day hasn’t moved. Again if you are so irresponsible that you cannot get the ballot in the mail on time you have no business voting, everyone was well aware of the deadlines……..

  240. Fast Eddie says:

    He (O’Biden) has also backed legislation that would create a separate COVID-19 Racial and Ethnic Disparities Task Force, which Vice President-elect Kamala Harris proposed in the Senate in the spring.

    LOL. Omg, can anyone explain this initiative? LMAO! Don’t bother. I already know what it really means. LOL!!

  241. JCer says:

    Don’t worry eddie, Biden and Kamala are putting together their list for “re-education”, I’m sure your name is on the list. They’ll also be adding a payroll tax for equality…you can afford it!

  242. Juice Box says:

    Haha my kids doc won’t test for COVID-19 as United Healthcare won’t give them the rate they want, won’t take cash either, can’t because of contract. They have the equipment too. At a cattle call now at another urgent care pediatrics, they say he does not have enough symptoms to test!

  243. BRT says:

    Juice, you just gotta lie or exaggerate. Say they had a fever and the runs, and coughed a few times.

  244. Fast Eddie says:

    He will create millions of new manufacturing and innovation jobs throughout all of America.

    Throughout all of America! Throughout all the land!! Hail, O’Biden!! Hail, O’Biden!!

    I guess he forgot Oblammy said manufacturing is gone forever.

  245. BRT says:

    Problem is, MSM has stopped reporting facts

    That’s been the case for the past 15 years. They went into full on propaganda mode the past 5/6. The problem is, each side (left/right) of the MSM media fades in and out of doing legitimate journalism when the other side issues outright lies or made up crap. But the rest of the time, it’s pure crap.

  246. BRT says:

    D-Fens, in Newark, Hudson cty, and Camden cty practice election fraud even when they don’t need to. Fraud and NJ go together like bread and butter, most ofg our pols have more in common with the m@fia than anything else…

    JCer, nonsense, I have full faith that the corrupt politicians throughout the country run a tight ship of honesty 1 day a year in November.

  247. Libturd says:

    JCer,

    You are one of the few people here that I consider to be a smart guy. Why do you subscribe to the conspiracy theories? Not a one is ever proven true. Not a one.

    You write, “Also the sheer amount of time spent counting is questionable and the reports of the post office backdating ballots is very questionable.”

    In Pennsylvania alone, there were what, 3 million mail in ballots? WTF? That’s a huge amount of anything to count. And it’s not just counted as you surely know. There are signatures to scrutinize, ballots to sort by date received, etc. The only suspicious timing to me is how they actually got it all done by Friday.

    You also write, “The big question is how many ballots were post dated? Just from a data perspective the results in the swing states are very dissimilar from other states.”

    How so? Care to share any proof or is this just more unfounded bullsh1t published in tweets by nefarious party hacks? Like there were more votes in Wisconsin than registered voters.

    You are smarter than this. So far, there has not been a single case, not one, of intentional fraud. I don’t behoove anyone for checking the legitimacy of the count. But the enormous amount of lies being published by the right about these election results appear only to be surpassed by the number of lies spewed by the administration before they were voted out.

    Find some fraud. Then you have something to go on. But find some fraud first please. Otherwise, you look like an idiot.

  248. A Home Buyer says:

    Libturd,

    I don’t believe in this any more then you do, but you also need to cut it out with your broad over generalized “THeRE ArE No PRooFS of FrAuD@!”.

    Just spend 2 seconds and google election fraud. It is not uncommon.

    The question is, did it happen to any degree to impact a national election.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-congressman-charged-ballot-stuffing-bribery-and-obstruction

    The above took the Feds 4 years to bring charges against a House Member (from Philie non the less). Its been less then a week after the election now…

  249. A Home Buyer says:

    *Former House Member. he was a dirt bag and jailed back in the 80’s. And somehow still managed to slink his way back into the voting process somehow.

  250. Libturd says:

    home buyer,

    The likelihood of the rampant amount of fraud that would be necessary to have turned this election would have needed to be huge. All of the results were called in the polls. Even when I went out on a very short limb and called Florida and Texas for Trump when the polls said otherwise was a gimme. All that I did was allotted the same two or three points of error that won Trump the election in 2016 to Trump again in all of the polls. In the states in question, Trump was up well more than 3 points in each and every poll. This is why I made bets with puzzy Republicans, who I should have known would be too embarrassed to show their faces around here, let alone pay off their dues.

    I don’t doubt that there was minor fraud by both sides. But the massive fraud necessary to give this election to Trump is extremely unlikely. It’s just common sense.

  251. Libturd says:

    And I am okay with them looking. Always was. But IMHO, they are not likely to find anything. Watching Fox News last night, you would think the complete opposite.

  252. A Home Buyer says:

    Lib,

    Completely Agreed. I see no reasonable path Trump wins or even a way 5 states could be attempt coordinated election tampering without a massive footprint of fraud being visible if investigated.

    Let Trump piss away his fortune and the Republicans empty their war chest on recounts and challenges if only to prove the integrity of the Elections is intact. We should be encouraging the fool to part with his money.

  253. No One says:

    Hmb,
    28 year old ex-ballerina shoots her 58 year old ex husband.
    She had been alleging abuse repeatedly without much supporting evidence. She claimed self defense when she shot and killed him in her house, but she hardly had a scratch on her and he wasn’t even looking at her when shot.
    Now she’s accused of 2nd degree murder. What will become of their 2-yo kid?
    Doesn’t Phoenix like to talk about these situations?
    Reminder for the 50+ guys: no that 20-something gold digger doesn’t love you.
    Tying it back to real estate – I was going to look at houses in that Sarasota region in December. I guess that house won’t be cleaned up and on the market by then.

  254. 3b says:

    No one Amazing how old guys think a woman that much younger than them would think it’s anything other than money.

  255. Hold my beer says:

    No One and 3b

    You only say that because you’ve never seen me in my mankini.

  256. JCer says:

    Lib, in general I trend more towards the tinfoil hat side of things. I also have seen how politics works in the US at high levels, my dad knew a lot of very rich and influential people. There is a LOT of dark money in politics, he knew a lot of lobbyists. Trump is a threat to business as usual, things are usually not as they appear.

    Powerful and influential people tend to control things, Biden was their man. Hence they rigged the primaries and the general election. As bad as the slate of democrats were he was arguably the weakest, Bernie was denied twice and it was no accident. Biden received incredibly easy treatment from the media and big tech. Who prey tell coordinated all of it?

    The Snowden revelations and Assange revelations confirmed a lot of what I had suspected for quite a while. We are all being surveilled, the NSA is collecting tons of data on us. What if I were to tell you Google and Amazon both received early funding from the NSA and the Echo as a concept came directly from the NSA. What if I were to tell you on 9/11 GWB knew an attack was imminent and instead of stopping the hijackers at the airport our intelligence operators stood down and allowed them to board the planes? Mind you we were watching every single person involved in the attacks, consider the already planned invasions oil pipeline they wanted to build in the region as well as the overthrow of Iraq. Again things are not always as they appear.

    As for the election, there does not appear to be real evidence of fraud…yet..but the data certainly seems suspect, the pattern of votes in the swing states is not consistent with the other states……

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/it-defies-logic-scientist-finds-telltale-signs-election-fraud-after-analyzing-mail-ballot

    I told my wife on election day, Trump will appear to win going into midnight and by morning the vote would be “corrected” by the CIA. Make no mistake Brennan wants Trump removed out of the fear that he will uncover some of the malfeasance in that organization. If the people knew what the government was doing in their name, people would hang for it.

  257. JCer says:

    It’s not about overturning the results, it’s about preventing the election from being certified……

    My thought is the game plan is to delay everything so instead of appointing electors the vote goes to clowngress……

  258. leftwing says:

    Most honest relationship I ever had was with someone just over half my age a few years back….

    She was there for the tangible perks and paid for good times.

    I was there for the zam-zam and paying for the perks and good times.

    If I went broke I fully understood she was gonzo.
    If she stopped being – uhm, pleasing – she fully understood I was out.

    No lies, misrepresentations, charades, or other complications or nonsense.

    Nirvana.

  259. 3b says:

    Hold: I heard they like g strings too!!

  260. Juice Box says:

    Bunch of crap here in NJ with the Covid testing. Talked to some other people in line at urgent care. Some here for 5 hours, all referred by their own doctor because it seems the fix is in the local Pediatricians won’t test because insurance won’t give them more that $65.

    Imagine when things get worse and they will…

  261. ExEssex says:

    4:17 what’s your tin foil telling you about a f@cktard broke-ass grifter talk show host a billion in debt with two months to go in the White House.
    Compromised doesn’t begin to cover it.

  262. leftwing says:

    “It’s not about overturning the results, it’s about preventing the election from being certified……”

    Boom. Give this man a prize.

    Only question is whether the Party will play along…..Senators have much longer time horizons than just one Prez cycle….

  263. JCer says:

    ExEssex, I know more about Trump than most people. He’s not broke nor is he is rich as he claims(even just the Fred Trump stuff makes him very rich), he cheats at golf, and he is a raging narcissist. What else do you want to know? My dad structured most of Trump’s deals in the 80’s and handled the negotiations with the creditors. When Trump went all birther his comment was I don’t remember Donald being so crazy….

    I actually don’t like Donald, I think he is a pompous jerk. That being said from a policy perspective he was way better than Obama and certainly will be better than biden.

  264. JCer says:

    Left I could see the republicans going along with it and then making Pence the president, the establishment hates Trump…

  265. JcerIsTooNuts ButMaybeOnceRight says:

    JCer, I raise you one on the paranoia.

    Sec Def Espy had to go, as he would not order troops on the streets and less shoot to kill.
    The hack that just took over as Sec Def will probably order both. Coup is accomplished.

    JCer says:
    November 10, 2020 at 4:21 pm

    It’s not about overturning the results, it’s about preventing the election from being certified……

    My thought is the game plan is to delay everything so instead of appointing electors the vote goes to clowngress……

  266. Hold my beer says:

    “3b says:
    November 10, 2020 at 5:05 pm
    Hold: I heard they like g strings too!!”

    Do tell. A JJ story 3b edition?

  267. Hold my beer says:

    If biden gets sworn in, does that mean JJ will come back?

  268. ExEssex says:

    5:26 I get it conservativism blah blah blah.
    But coup-wise where will you stand?

  269. D-FENS says:

    I stand against the Coup the Democrats are attempting

  270. No One says:

    I expected that Trump would lose like a baby, because as far as I can tell he is incapable of believing that any failure could come from his own faults. In his own head, he can only win, and every loss is due to others cheating him.

    Republican politicians know that if any of them try to reverse the apparent election results without rock solid blatant and specific evidence and confessions, they will loose their seats. They also know that Trump is barely a Republican, showed minimal loyalty or support to most of them, and has a short political lifespan now. Sure, they will go along with an investigation, especially if it can uncover some Democratic rat’s nests that have been bugging them for years. But I’d expect them to show about as much loyalty to Trump as Trump showed them. They aren’t going to sacrifice themselves to save him after seeing dozens being thrown under the bus by Trump. Half the Republicans will privately be relieved to see him gone. They, like me, were just voting against the leftists, not voting for Trump.

    Statistical improbabilities aren’t proof of fraud. I’d think 100,000 fake ballots would be pretty easy to track down, if they happened. It’s easier to imagine that Trump’s gratuitous meanness and lying energized more people to vote against him. I hope Trump thinks the jollies he got from sh1tting on McCain was worth losing Arizona.
    I wonder how Trump would have done in Wisconsin if he hadn’t alienated Paul Ryan, former Wisconsin congressman.

  271. JCer IraiseYou2MoreAluminumFoilHats says:

    ExEssex,

    If there is a coup, kiss US Dollar and US financial markets good bye. Expect our foreign bases to be closed by host country and all those troops will be pouring back here and likely not siding with the Donald.

    Importantly, once started. It means to keep and retain control it will escalate to total warfare violence. Which will be horrific and of course triggering the UN and likely moves by the Chinese/Russia/Iranian troops under UN Blue Helmet coming into the US.

    Remember there won’t be an US Army, Navy, Marine Corp, Air Force here. Most service members will quit the Donald’s Army and likely become guerillas. So most so thugs in so called “militias” that started this mess will get to play “Red Dawn” wet dreams as they are taken down by drones.

  272. crushednjmillenial says:

    Trump just needs to find a few thousand dead voters, fraudlent ballots, etc for his crusade to be successful.

    Even just a little proven election fraud is enough for him to go trumping for years about “massive election fraud which stole the election on behalf of President Biden the Puppet.” It will be a rallying for cry for Republicans in 2022 (“make sure to vote, because the Dems are bringing 10 dead voters to the polls for every living one.”), and most importantly “the Steal” will be a centerpiece of . . . you guessed it . . . the TRUMP 2024 CAMPAIGN.

    If he could actually swing one state away from Biden due to Court proceedings, then that would just be a cherry on top as any state besides Nevada denies Biden 300 electoral votes.

  273. Juice Box says:

    This Covid-19 testing is freaking crazy, been here almost 5 hour wait and tons of walk ins keep coming in. Mostly children who in my opinion are not sick at all but being sent to get a tested just because by the schools.

  274. D-FENS says:

    What town? May have been worth it to drive to a CVS in the exurbs. Friends of mine were tested quickly.

    Juice Box says:
    November 10, 2020 at 6:31 pm
    This Covid-19 testing is freaking crazy, been here almost 5 hour wait and tons of walk ins keep coming in. Mostly children who in my opinion are not sick at all but being sent to get a tested just because by the schools

  275. Juice Box says:

    Neither it seems. PA said no strep and his throat did not look red at all unlike what the school nurse said. No fever, no other symptoms other than headache. We went to several stores and McDonalds during our six hour wait to see an urgent care PA, my son scarfed down McDonalds nuggets with barbecue sauce and fries, so no issue with his appetite or sore throat.

    Upset stomach seems like a case of Candy-itis to me. I am going to round up the remaining Halloween candy and toss it.

    Official test PCR might be back or not tomorrow, seeing as how samples will ship out at 10 PM tonight it will be longer. They would not do the rapid test, you need to really have symptoms to get it.

  276. Fabius Maximus says:

    File this under “No Sh1t Sherlock!”

    Postal worker featured by Republicans as evidence of vote tampering admits he made it up; GOP donors gave him $130,000https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1326301274120318978

  277. BRT says:

    I’ve been tested twice (once in Sep and once in late Oct), both times took 5 minutes. I literally called 20 minutes ahead. It was Riverside Urgent Care in Hamilton NJ.

  278. D-FENS says:

    Is it that hard to believe that they would use the power of the federal government to make some lowly postal worker regret ever being a whistleblower?

    RECORDING: Federal agents “coerce” USPS whistleblower Hopkins to water down story. Hopkins doubles down

    https://twitter.com/jamesokeefeiii/status/1326323334800437248?s=21

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  280. Juice Box says:

    BRT – I made several calls this morning, looking for a test. All I really needed was a script for Lab Corp, good luck getting that only without a full exam. In my opinion the local Pediatricians want their VIG for Covid or want to take no chances of shutting down their practice again. What doctor’s office cannot do a nasal swab, and ship it to a lab?

    I talked to many parents at the urgent care all were referred some from many miles some pretty far away all there for a simple nasal swab to clear a kid to go to school, no kids looked or acted sick. Not a single cough in 6 hours was heard. We were all hanging out in the parking lot and the grass median at the strip mall waiting for a text message to go in for the test.

    Urgent Care was a PA and their technicians, I get it they are in the volume business. But reality is the local docs ain’t in it for the Hippocratic oath when you might have to lay off people again, borrow money from the bank and rebuild your practice.

    Same for our Kid’s dentist too..

  281. BRT says:

    They’ve been talking about the great climate migration for 15 straight years now. It has not happened. But that being said, NJ is feeling damn good with these 70 degree November days.

  282. grim says:

    We did Pixel by Labcorp.

    Insurance covers it. Was zero cost. Didn’t require a visit – but you need to self-certify in a way that indicates you need a test.

    They Fedex it to you overnight. You do the test at home and Fedex it back. 2 days.

  283. BRT says:

    That’s why this disease is almost impossible to contain here. You want kids to take it seriously when at best, they get slightly sore for a day. Local PD at my district’s town had to break up a Halloween party of over 100 teens drinking inside.

  284. D-FENS says:

    @timcast

    Hopkins is now on the record DENYING that he recanted his fraud allegations

    Media is running the story without a comment from him

    Outlets are running polls saying “Biden won says everyone!”

    Meanwhile Trump fires Pentagon leadership

    are you paying attention yet?

  285. Juice Box says:

    I want my kid in school ASAP, there is no reason after Billions spent why nurse Betty does not have an instant test in the Skool. There was supposed to be 150 million Abbott Laboratories and other manufactures instant test deployed by now. The money was allocated like in April. Seems it went into someone’s pocket, whether it be Jared or some other federal or state crony we shall see.

    There is no reason why we do not have instant tests. The delays are who’s fault? FDA? WTF!!!! We should be waking up every morning and self testing with our toothbrushes by now.

  286. joyce says:

    Juice Box,
    I thought you were erring on the side of caution. Are you not nervous your kid could get exposed to covid at school and bring it home?

  287. Libturd says:

    “Trump just needs to find a few thousand dead voters, fraudlent ballots, etc for his crusade to be successful.”

    No he doesn’t. He flat out lies about anything and everything. Since when did any proof enter the equation?

    Easter. Remember?

  288. Libturd says:

    Cases are absolutely exploding upward right now. I thought it would take until friday to hit the old 4,000 peak. We may very well hit 5,000 by Friday. Why? STILL, noone is taking this pandemic seriously.

    Tell the girl in Montclair who came down with some bizarre skin disease triggered by Covid, that they don’t get sick. Any place you touch her now becomes bruised.

    So many cases, so close to getting us. Our little guy has now been exposed three times and we are really careful.

    Be careful people. Yeah it doesn’t kill everyone. But it does kill some. Don’t be that some. We already won our unlucky lottery with our little guy’s brain cancer. You never think it’s going to happen to you until it does.

  289. Juice Box says:

    Joyce – I want testing now and everywhere.

    Lib’s anger does not cover it, we were promised tests….gonna be a long haul.

  290. BRT says:

    Obviously, it doesn’t matter cuz I’m in school anyway, but the benefits of in person learning for my children far outweigh the risk of me or my wife getting sick. We’ve been practicing social distancing from the grandparents for years because they are at risk to all sicknesses.

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  293. SomeOne says:

    JCer,

    Again if you are so irresponsible that you cannot get the ballot in the mail on time you have no business voting

    How early was one supposed to vote, considering that the USPS dismantled sorting machines, and slowed down deliveries when mail-in voting went up due to Covid?

  294. JCer says:

    The mail wasn’t all that slow even across the country for the last few months, I think I received ballots in early October. How early do you put a bill in the mail? A week before, 2? It’s not like it was traveling some large distance. Why do democrats act like this is some complex task, collecting a few million ballots and delivering them to a central location, opening them and having a machine count them is not some logistical nightmare, in fact it’s a pretty easy task……….

    Heck in NJ we didn’t even really use the post office, why put ballots in with the regular mail when they are all going to the same processing location?

  295. Fabius Maximus says:

    “The Trump campaign released that 234-page stack of affidavits from poll watchers in Detroit tonight. So far, it’s mostly allegations that they couldn’t get as close as they wanted to the counting, couldn’t re-enter the room after they left, etc. Pretty standard election stuff.”

    https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1326394667542441987

    All distraction, no validity.

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