Nothing to see here

From the MPA:

Which housing markets have been most vulnerable to COVID?

The housing markets in Illinois, New Jersey and Delaware counties are more vulnerable to the impact of the ongoing coronavirus pandemic than elsewhere in the US, according to a report by property analytics firm, ATTOM.

The 2021 Special Coronavirus report released last week highlighted county-level housing markets vulnerable to damage from the ongoing COVID-19 virus in the US during the third quarter, based on the percentage of homes facing possible foreclosure, among other factors.

The conclusions were drawn from an analysis of the most recent home affordability, equity and foreclosure reports prepared by the property database curator. Counties were ranked in each category, from lowest to highest, with the overall conclusion based on a combination of the three.

The report revealed that New Jersey, Illinois and Delaware had 26 of the 50 counties that were most exposed to the potential housing-related impacts of the pandemic.

Of these, eight were in the Chicago metropolitan area (Cook, De Kalb, Du Page, Kane, Kendall, Lake, McHenry and Will counties), seven in the New York City metropolitan area (Essex, Hunterdon, Monmouth, Ocean, Passaic and Sussex counties in New Jersey and Rockland County in New York), and two in Delaware – Kent County (Dover) and Sussex County (Georgetown).  

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362 Responses to Nothing to see here

  1. grim says:

    From ATTOM:

    Illinois, Florida and New Jersey Dominate Markets Most at Risk from Damage Related to Coronavirus Pandemic

    Markets were considered more or less at risk based on the percentage of homes facing possible foreclosure, the portion with mortgage balances that exceeded the estimated property value and the percentage of average local wages required to pay for major home ownership expenses on median-priced houses or condominiums. The conclusions are drawn from an analysis of the most recent home affordability, equity and foreclosure reports prepared by ATTOM. Rankings were based on a combination of those three categories in 564 counties around the United States with sufficient data to analyze in first and second quarters of 2021. Counties were ranked in each category, from lowest to highest, with the overall conclusion based on a combination of the three ranks. See below for the full methodology.

  2. Hold my beer says:

    And DFW area had 5 of the counties least at risk. Booyah . and those counties have a population larger than north Jersey.

  3. Juice Box says:

    Homes facing possible foreclosure? Nah not here..They can just sell and rent.

  4. Hold my beer says:

    Juice

    They can just claim mortgages are discriminatory against pizzafarians and get the bank to pay off the mortgage plus damages.

  5. Juice Box says:

    Finished Dune 2021 last night on HBO Max, runtime is almost as long as the 1984 movie and well it is visually stunning, sand worms, battle scenes etc, sounds are booming too. This reboot is very close to the 1984 movie. They did not deviate much. Spoilers -stop reading here. There is no evil Harkonnen nephew like Sting portrayed in the 1984 movie, just Dave Bautista who is a ruthless hulking solider. Spoiler -stop reading here….There was no fight scene between Jason Momoa who plays Duncan and Dave Bautista the evil Harkonnen nephew . I did not see them together at all. I thought Stellan Skarsgård as Barron Harkonnen was very good, but they did not mess up his face with pustules that his private physician attends to frequently like the 1984 movie. I thought that deviation sucked as it added a bit to evil insanity of Baron Harkonnen.

    It will be 2023 before Part 2 comes out, that is like waiting between star war movies…

    https://variety.com/2021/film/news/dune-part-2-sequel-1235094974/

  6. Juice Box says:

    Old Realtor – Your article proves why Human Realtors are still needed…Their AI algorithms made them overbid on how many homes exactly it does not say, and they now have sell many homes at a loss. Lol…Who got fired? Can’t exactly fire the computer…

  7. Juice Box says:

    On the home buying sprees of these iBuying companies like Zillow and Opendoor.

    “There’s almost an arms race to get the most inventory possible”

    DOT COM like projections for growth…Buying and selling 5,000 homes a month? What could possibly go wrong..

    …Zillow bonded $450 million to do so…

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/93ymxz/zillow-other-tech-firms-are-in-an-arms-race-to-buy-up-american-homes

  8. BRT says:

    I watched the recent Chappelle stand up last night. IMO it wasn’t offensive at all, I don’t see what all the complaining is about. But, in reality, it wasn’t funny either aside from a few moments. I expected a lot more. I wouldn’t recommend it.

  9. BRT says:

    On jabs, we know someone that had their 3rd shot. Immunocompromised. After 2nd shot, no antibodies. 3rd shot, still no antibodies. It’s not working for them. They should be a great candidate for monoclonal antibodies as a preventative treatment. No one’s talking about this though.

  10. Grim says:

    When you go and borrow all that money, what option do you have to not spend it?

  11. Juice Box says:

    BRT – Chapelle is laughing all the way to the bank. It was leaked by a Netflix employee $24.1 million payday for that.

    Imagine years ago Dice Clay did the same stick but had to fill arenas to make bank. Now it’s a small studio audience and and hour of making fun of the underdogs..

    Carlin did a segment on it years ago about comedians who do this. Carlin would not ever make fun of the vulnerable groups and individuals the underdogs…

  12. Fast Eddie says:

    Florida now has America’s lowest COVID rate.

    Let’s Go Brandon!

  13. Juice Box says:

    BRT – re: “No one’s talking about this though.”

    Again Politics. New Jersey does not want to follow Florida and Texas which have opened state run clinics for testing and monoclonal antibodies. Judy Perschilli said last month there will be NO state-run monoclonal antibody clinics in New Jersey even though the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT allocated a boat load of money for it.

    There was an article the other day about monoclonal antibodies for the unvaccinated and immunocompromised. Even though the treatment is covered by the Government bailouts few doctors are recommending it to the exposed. ​The whole problem is it must be administered early first 4 to 5 days of symptoms, and the article said most doctors are just sending people home instead of to a NJ hospital where it can be administered.

  14. Fast Eddie says:

    Build back better. LOL. What a weak statement.

  15. grim says:

    Judy Perschilli said last month there will be NO state-run monoclonal antibody clinics in New Jersey even though the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT allocated a boat load of money for it.

    Yes, this is completely f*cking stupid, nobody seems to even want to raise the question. They’ll stand up completely ineffectual vaccine megasites, but not even attempt to reduce the effort associated with monoclonals. The real reason is they don’t want to tread on the profits of the hospital lobby and compete with “infusion centers”.

    Don’t even get me started on the 1,742 contact tracers still employed by the state at $20+ an hour.

  16. Juice Box says:

    Monoclonal treatment is now a shot to the stomach or an IV drip. All done by trained nurses. Doctor just has to write the script I gather. I don’t know if you have to be admitted for this, but as we all know any trip to the ER can quickly turn into a few days and a $10,000 balance bill.

  17. chicagofinance says:

    “This idea of intellectual debate and rigor as the pinnacle of intellectualism comes from a world in which white men dominated.”
    Williams College geosciences professor, Phoebe A. Cohen

  18. chicagofinance says:

    BRT says:
    October 27, 2021 at 8:28 am
    On jabs, we know someone that had their 3rd shot. Immunocompromised. After 2nd shot, no antibodies. 3rd shot, still no antibodies. It’s not working for them. They should be a great candidate for monoclonal antibodies as a preventative treatment. No one’s talking about this though.

    https://youtu.be/ror2OliRe2s?t=147

  19. chicagofinance says:

    Gottlieb is the go-to source for everything…… good East Brunswick mensch….. unlike our resident paskudnyak.

  20. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Big oil has record cash flows in the third quarter. Joe took care of his people.

    Too bad for everyone else. Prices are through the roof.

  21. Juice Box says:

    No talk of the multivalent vaccine however. It’s still in Phase II. Study will be complete in December of 2022.. Earliest documented genetic sample of the Delta variant were taken India in October of last year now. They still are moving like snails with these variant trials. Sure the current B.1.1.7 Whuhan formulation still works but there are more breakthru infections. There should be a push to get this updated multivalent into production.

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05004181?cond=Multivalent+RNA+Vaccine&draw=1&rank=1

  22. grim says:

    Paskudnyak – lol, I know this one, the old Polish grandmas threw this around too. Lots of Yiddish/Polish cross-pollinated slang from where my parents came from.

  23. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Bill Burr > Chappelle.

  24. Juice Box says:

    BRT – mad scientists @ FDA say the antibody test does not infer the vaccine worked. Perhaps a mix and match approach?

    “You should not interpret the results of your SARS-CoV-2 antibody test as an indication of a specific level of immunity or protection from SARS-CoV-2 infection”

    “Antibody Testing Is Not Currently Recommended to Assess Immunity After COVID-19 Vaccination: FDA Safety Communication”

    https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/antibody-testing-not-currently-recommended-assess-immunity-after-covid-19-vaccination-fda-safety

  25. BRT says:

    Juice, here’s the problem. They insist on using it (antibody levels) to try to lie and say the vaccine gives better immunity than recovering from infection. They’ll use that metric whenever it’s convenient for them. But for someone immunocompromised, you get vaxxed, test negative for antibodies…that’s not very reassuring. Someone in that position should be given the monoclonals as a preventative measure.

    As far as Murphy goes, his policy is insane given that 50% of monoclonal recipients in Florida were fully vaccinated with breakthrough infections. Biden’s policy of “equitable” distribution also makes no sense. It should be based upon case loads and seasonality. Right now, the NE should be anticipating more cases. Florida, they have the lowest case load in the nation right now. Why on earth would we send the same amount to them as us at this time?

  26. Juice Box says:

    We beat china in manufacturing something!

    We are now #1….WoooHoooo!!!

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-takes-bitcoin-mining-crown-after-china-crackdown-11635327002

  27. BRT says:

    Btw, I think there is a zero % chance that all of our congress members aren’t already walking around with Regeneron in their blood.

  28. BRT says:

    I’ll say it again, if you had someone like Gottlieb as your face of the response, we would have gotten better communication, rational policies, and no lies. Fauci and Walensky and Redfield have been an absolute trainwreck.

  29. Juice Box says:

    Did they make Gov Murphy get a PCR test before he shook hands with mask less Biden at the train depot this week? Heck to meet Kamala you have to get tested probably few times.

    FYI Defense Production Act is being invoked.. ACON labs and others are going to get a billion dollars to mass produce home rapid covid tests.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/25/biden-rapid-at-home-tests/

  30. BRT says:

    oh look, they left Peter Daszak off their latest covid origins committee.

  31. Juice Box says:

    Crazy bidding wars in Bergen county out bid by cash buyers every time and Connecticut homes selling and flipped right away.

    3 minute watch on CNN.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/27/economy/housing-bubble-risk/index.html

  32. Libturd says:

    “good East Brunswick mensch”

    I need to check my yearbook. I think I knew him from marching band.

  33. Juice Box says:

    He is cancelled automatically as well he is a republican who worked for Trump’s FDA.

  34. chicagofinance says:

    Regarding last night’s conversation, despite my crazy Albanian mountain recluse personae, and I the product of Vilnius mishpacha…… all liquidated except my saba……

  35. Juice Box says:

    Bitcoin the fix is in..

    NBER confirms a small group controls the price

    https://www.techspot.com/news/91937-bitcoin-largely-controlled-small-group-investors-miners-study.html

  36. grim says:

    Shocker

  37. Juice Box says:

    I can’t wait to see the unreality that is going to be spun on this one.

  38. Juice Box says:

    Chi- Gundlach was a bit scary on Friday he says he rotated to Europe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohZfRO6Ulv8

    Also Tepper he panned everything..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aj0PvkePb4

  39. Crushednjmillenial says:

    Tom Cotton giving it good to AG Merrik Garland in senate testimony on the AG’s insane “domestic terrorism law enforcement against parents at school boards” issue.

    Dems have lost their minds going after parents at local school boards.

  40. Juice Box says:

    Karen has been interrupting on school board Zoom meetings for too long now. It’s time to send a few of these white suburban women to GITMO….

  41. chicagofinance says:

    I think 2021 will end OK. However, between The Fed and the jobs number, I think we get some butthurt next week. Maybe something wacko too…. also, this Friday is month-end and weekend. Always a potential set-up for something.

    Juice Box says:
    October 27, 2021 at 12:31 pm
    Chi- Gundlach was a bit scary on Friday he says he rotated to Europe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohZfRO6Ulv8

    Also Tepper he panned everything..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aj0PvkePb4

  42. No One says:

    BRT,
    Yes I think it was Chapelle’s least funny special that I’ve seen (the ones on Netflix). But I laughed a few times. I think he was trying mostly to reflect on and resolve his issues with the LGBT crowd, but they accept nothing but total surrender so it backfired. Ultimately he’s a social justice guy, but thinks race beats sex.

    Bill Burr is a funny misogynist, or at least plays that role. So of course Phoenix likes him best.

    I dare you all to sit through Gadsby’s “Nannette” show on Netflix without throwing up in your mouth a little or falling asleep.

  43. Libturd says:

    Just woke up. Back is out and my calves hurt. A little chest pain and overall soreness. Could be worse. Nice to catch up on sleep, even if I have no choice. Market action today was wild. Lot’s of big moves all over.

  44. Ex says:

    Lib — second shot or booster?

  45. Ex says:

    The True Costs of Government Spending

    By Michael J. Boskin

    STANFORD (Project Syndicate) – President Joe Biden insists that his $3.5 trillion ($5 trillion without the budget gimmicks) “human infrastructure” bill “costs zero dollars” – nothing, nil, nada.

    While every president makes foolish statements, this must be the most economically illiterate presidential utterance since Jimmy Carter’s demand that the Federal Reserve lower interest rates in the midst of surging double-digit inflation.

    In Carter’s case, the result was a dollar crisis. What will come of the Biden administration’s foray into nonsense?

    Biden, along with other Democratic leaders such as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, claims that the plan will be “fully paid for” with tax hikes. Apparently, the administration thinks that only budget deficits impose costs (which runs contrary to the “deficits are costless” argument offered by other “progressives”). Yet it has long been clear that the bill would leave a $1.5-$3 trillion hole to be filled with debt even after the tax hikes

    In any case, Americans aren’t buying it. Polls show that roughly half want less government and lower taxes and that three-quarters of Americans doubt that the $3.5 trillion bill would make them “better off.” Perhaps not surprisingly, a majority now disapproves of the Biden administration.

    Students in introductory economics learn that the social cost of something is the value of the goods and services that could have been produced with the same resources (labor, capital, land, energy, materials). Usually, this “opportunity cost” can be measured by market prices – though sometimes these must be adjusted to account for other factors, such as pollution or monopolies.

    From a basic economics standpoint, there are three fundamental errors in Biden’s “zero-cost” argument. First, there is the suggestion that the proper measure of cost is the impact on the federal fiscal position. The notion that a country’s wealth lies in the value of the sovereign’s Treasury was destroyed by Adam Smith 245 years ago. He showed that wealth comes from the country’s ability to produce goods and services that people need and want. For any country, the cost of government spending is the value of the foregone opportunities from shifting resources from the private sector to the government. Less private consumption and less private investment leads to less housing and fewer factories.

    Second, taxes are far from costless, because they, too, divert resources from the private sector and thus impose an opportunity cost. Just as sales taxes primarily affect consumption, corporate income taxes affect investment. The cost is the value of the displaced private consumption and/or investment.

  46. Ex says:

    …Not of this world……

  47. Libturd says:

    Booster. 1/2 dose of Moderna.

  48. Ex says:

    Thanks, that’ll be my dose too soon .

  49. crushednjmillenial says:

    “Let’s go, Brandon. You ask questions. They start banning.”

    https://nypost.com/2021/10/27/lets-go-brandon-rapper-bryson-grays-banned-anti-biden-song-is-no-1/

  50. Ex says:

    Stupid song – “Covid is made-up” f-ck that

  51. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Go murphy! This guy really helped this state find itself again.

    “We’re excited to submit our bid to transform Fort Monmouth into a state-of-the-art production facility,” said a Netflix spokesperson Wednesday. “America’s first movie studio was in New Jersey, and today it’s home to many talented people working in entertainment. Governor Murphy and the state’s legislative leaders have created a business environment that’s welcomed film and television production back to the state.”

    https://patch.com/new-jersey/wayne/s/hw4lg/netflix-confirms-it-wants-to-open-fort-monmouth-film-studio?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert

  52. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Brawl at the church.

    https://bit.ly/2XQOrmK

  53. PumpkinFace says:

    MURPHY! MURPHY! MURPHY!
    Murphy offered the film studios tax credits equal to what the state of Georgia currently offers: Tax credits up to 30 percent of production costs and a 40-percent tax credit for any studio that opens brick-and-mortar offices in New Jersey, according to the Wall Street Journal.

  54. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Then who will invest in infrastructure, education, and other costs in society? The rich only donate for social position or tax write offs, no one does what Carnegie did this day and age.

    So I understand the author’s point, but he isn’t looking at the big picture.

    “Second, taxes are far from costless, because they, too, divert resources from the private sector and thus impose an opportunity cost. Just as sales taxes primarily affect consumption, corporate income taxes affect investment. The cost is the value of the displaced private consumption and/or investment.”

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Blame the south for that, Murphy is simply competing at the game they started.

    PumpkinFace says:
    October 27, 2021 at 7:06 pm
    MURPHY! MURPHY! MURPHY!
    Murphy offered the film studios tax credits equal to what the state of Georgia currently offers: Tax credits up to 30 percent of production costs and a 40-percent tax credit for any studio that opens brick-and-mortar offices in New Jersey, according to the Wall Street Journal.

  56. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And the point you miss…with the same offer package, they chose jersey.

  57. PumpkinFace says:

    And you miss the point… of being correct, ever.

    https://www.mediaservices.com/production-incentives/production-incentives-interactive-map/

    So nearly every region in the country, sans the Midwest.

    Netflix has production studios up and down the East Coast, including in Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and New York, and production in all those states will continue, said the company. It will also keep its Georgia production studio.

    Netflix just opened a new studio in Brooklyn (Bushwick) and is in the process of expanding their studio in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

    What else would you like to be wrong on?

  58. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Face,

    What is your point? Why are you bringing in other states to this conversation? You stated the only reason they picked nj over Georgia was the equivalent tax offer. Hence, they chose jersey. Give the hate for jersey a rest.

  59. chicagofinance says:

    Question to the board:

    I need to fly to Huntsville, AL in early December. Looking for advice on the best way to do that…… EWR, JFK, LGA or PHL, even on the other end…. maybe worth flying into Nashville on a direct flight and driving 2 hours? …. any and all opinions welcomed….

  60. PumpkinFace says:

    Take your propeller hat off and stop leering at those farm animals.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    October 27, 2021 at 7:37 pm
    Face,

    What is your point? Why are you bringing in other states to this conversation? You stated the only reason they picked nj over Georgia was the equivalent tax offer. Hence, they chose jersey. Give the hate for jersey a rest.

  61. Ex says:

    More wisdom from the Ivory Tower

    “For all its success, the SEL movement has faced a wave of attacks over the last few years, and those attacks don’t seem to be letting up. Critics have derided SEL as, for example, a “nonacademic common core” (Gorman, 2016); “the latest big education fad” (Robbins, 2016); a terrifying experiment in social engineering (Eden, 2019), and an “Orwellian idea” (Effrem, 2017). Writing in Education Week, Chester Finn (2017) equated SEL to the “self-esteem” movement, calling it a hoax, with roots in “faux psychology.” In a recent white paper, the Pioneer Institute urged policy makers to block SEL-related programs, warning that they could lead to the psychological manipulation of students, threats to their data privacy, “indoctrination,” and an “erosion of freedom of conscience via government-established SEL norms for the attitudes, values, and beliefs of freeborn American citizens”

  62. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Educators today- the slide continues:

    Kentucky high school is investigated after students appear to give teachers and the principal LAP DANCES during homecoming week festivities

    The photos caught national attention after a Twitter user shared them from Hazard
    High School’s own Facebook page, which has since taken them down

    The photos include cheerleaders appeared to be dressed in Hooters waitress uniforms and carrying mugs that looked like they had alcohol in them

    One shot appeared to show a male student giving school principal Donald ‘Happy’ Mobellini – who is also the mayor of Hazard – a lap dance

  63. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Chi,
    My sister used to go there regularly. She said to fly direct, unless you want to visit Nashville ( she likes it there as well). Been a few years, but she went from EWR direct.

    She told me to tell you not to take offense if they call you Yankee.

    Enjoy the sweet tea and pulled pork.

  64. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    No One,

    Guess I’m not the only one, sold out just about everywhere.

    https://billburr.com/tour-dates/

  65. grim says:

    I’ve done EWR to HSV on American at least a dozen times. Connects through Charlotte.

    Charlotte is a decent airport to connect through (although you’ll probably need to cross the whole damn place).

    I’ve also done the drive to Nashville when my connection was cancelled. Check current rental car prices before you make that decision. Bet this is a more expensive trip overall, and it won’t save much time.

  66. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Hmm where have we heard this before 👀

    Microsoft $MSFT CEO Satya Nadella said yesterday “Digital technology is a deflationary force in an inflationary economy””

  67. No One says:

    Phoenix,
    I like Burr too. I wonder what his current set is about.
    He’s pretty fearless, which is important in a comic.

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Is it too much to ask that we have good honest individuals become the leaders of this country?

    Honestly, why do we accept liars and caricatures as our leaders? Get rid of the parties. Start putting honest individuals in office that actually care more about the people of this country than dollar bills. Then this country can really be something great.

  69. Libturd says:

    Last time I flew to Huntsville was around 2010. Connected through Memphis. Was worth it just for the Interstate BBQ outlet in the airport. Get a pulled pork sandwich and eat in on the 20 minute jump to Huntsville. The entire plane was jealous, especially the flight attendant. I think it was Continental, so that flight might not exist anymore. As you would expect, the Huntsville Airport is a joke and amazingly easy to navigate. Memphis is an older airport so not much walking.

  70. Libturd says:

    Just checked. No more jump between the two. It’s annoying, but probably just fly through DC or Atlanta. Both are gigantic annoying airports. Prefer DC over Atlanta unless flying Delta.

  71. BRT says:

    Lol, why do we accept liars? Go Murphy!

  72. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Is he perfect? No, but at least he is trying to help fix this state. He’s doing a damn good job on that front.

    BRT says:
    October 27, 2021 at 10:47 pm
    Lol, why do we accept liars? Go Murphy!

  73. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Murphy borrowed 6 billion to put into the public union retirement fund. They live him for that. He can’t be defeated.

  74. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s constitutionally owed. Of course your selfish position wants to get rid of it, so I understand your anger….it’s rooted in pure selfishness. God forbid a worker gets a pension. God forbid the governor does his part in a low rate environment to make sure the contractual obligation is honored. No other governor in the past 30 years has done the same. Instead they robbed the pension.

    BidenIsTheGOAT says:
    October 28, 2021 at 8:50 am
    Murphy borrowed 6 billion to put into the public union retirement fund. They live him for that. He can’t be defeated.

  75. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Hilarious that you take the position that the pension payment is a gift…you are a disgrace. You realize these are your fellow americans, right? WE ARE NOT THE ENEMY BECAUASE WE DECIDED TO BE A TEACHER OR WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT. Go f/k yourself.

  76. grim says:

    Sorry, but unions that negotiate with corrupt politicians to gain implausible pension benefits are accomplices to a crime.

    You weren’t stolen from, but did you conspire to steal?

    Not sure how else I’d describe paying a small sum into a system, and being promised a far larger sum out.

  77. Fast Eddie says:

    Thank G0d I have no school age children anymore. I feel for younger parents. I would eat scraps from a dumpster to send my kid to a private/parochial school before I would send them to a public school these days. The democrat party is nothing but a graceless, tasteless, selfish and profane faction of rotters in pursuit of power and control. The left s.ucks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u82Xr4F89Dw

  78. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s a pension system. In the early years, they were paying way more than people were taking in (small amount of retirees and large amount of contributions) That was supposed to be used to make the pension work long term. That’s how the pension system works. Instead of growing that surplus, they stole it. They stole the f;’ing surplus. Do you understand compounding and the effect this has? Then they didn’t even contribute for 30 years, living off the surplus, and you act like the deal for a pension was a crime? You are better than that.

    You people are ridiculous. So selfish.

  79. grim says:

    You mean like a Ponzi scheme?

    Unfortunately, the system is actually predicated on the number of new teachers (and contributions) growing every single year, and that growth would need to be equal to the outflows of the current retirees. When NJ population was growing, and there were fewer retirees, the system looked good. However, all it takes is for the growth of new teachers to SLOW for it to all start falling apart.

    The pension could not function in a scenario where the number of teachers in NJ were declining on an annual basis for any appreciable length of time. This scenario ALWAYS results in failure of the pension.

    Pumpkin’s Payments Out Do not Equal Pumpkins Payments In + Appreciation

    In fact, YOUR pension payments should be required to INCREASE every year to be able to fund the current retirees.

    That’s a Ponzi scheme.

  80. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    I just checked and he borrowed 4B to make a 7B pension payment.

    If you borrow money to make a pension payment you are playing a shell game. Make the pension whole by burying the state further. The bonds they issued cannot be paid in advance so of course the borrowing cost is higher than 4B.

  81. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Eddie,

    People like you are the problem You are full of hate. We are all Americans. Go run to private school so you can live in your bubble.

    Fast Eddie says:
    October 28, 2021 at 9:16 am
    Thank G0d I have no school age children anymore. I feel for younger parents. I would eat scraps from a dumpster to send my kid to a private/parochial school before I would send them to a public school these days. The democrat party is nothing but a graceless, tasteless, selfish and profane faction of rotters in pursuit of power and control. The left s.ucks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u82Xr4F89Dw

  82. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Again, you guys are selfish. Bash the pension and govt workers all you want, but just own how selfish you really are.

    God forbid you get a pension. Ruthless.

  83. grim says:

    No problem with pensions.

    Just make sure they are defined contribution pensions, and not defined benefit pensions.

    That simple. What you pay in, you should get out.

  84. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And he wouldn’t have to borrow if they didn’t steal from it in the first place. You would have payments that would be easily paid right now. No one would be talking about it because the payment would be so low. Instead, they stop contributing for 30 f/ing years, and now cry about borrowing to pay it back.

    Yea, that pension doesn’t work, it only functioned for 30 years with almost no payments and continuing to pay out.

  85. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – Why are you lying? It’s the opposite. The New Jersey Supreme Court ruled that the State could not be compelled to make the pension payments because of certain provisions in the NJ State Constitution. There was an amendment proposed five years ago that did not pass and was NOT sent to the voters for a ballot initiative, it’s been dead since. There has been no constitutional amendment passed.

    The process for an amendment is three-fifths of the houses vote, the amendment can then be submitted to the people of New Jersey to vote. If a majority votes for the amendment, the amendment is passed on the thirtieth day after the vote.

    So explain when that happened? Because it has not and I will move the day it is..

  86. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    The point, which you can choose to ignore, is that deals were made behind closed doors to increase the benefits without having the means to pay for it. And votes were guaranteed in exchange. Dirty as it gets but that’s what you get with unions.

  87. Juice Box says:

    No worries however, the Teamsters got their bailout this year from the feds…Just wind up the printing presses some more, the $1.9 trillion stimulus bill that passed in March had some $86 billion in funding to rescue their pensions.

  88. Juice Box says:

    It’s no big deal folks. We can just print and borrow our way to prosperity. Why not take 1/2 of your home equity out now on a HELOC and lever it up on crypto futures. What could possibly go wrong?

    https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/BITO

    BTW the expense ratio on this ETF is 0.95% makes Cathy look cheap in comparison.

    Here are the funds holdings..

    CME BITCOIN FUTURES 11/26/21(BTCX1) 960,443,475.00 3,233.00
    CME BITCOIN FUTURES (BTCV1) 168,925,900.00 572.00
    TREASURY BILL – 1,000,000,000.00
    TREASURY BILL – 100,000,000.00
    TREASURY BILL – 19,000,000.00

  89. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Billionaires are different
    Most Americans pay an annual wealth tax on their largest asset. It’s called property tax. Each year, they pay an amount equal to a small percentage of the estimated value of their house, and a house is by far the most valuable item that most families own.

    The very rich are different. While they pay property taxes too, their homes tend to make up a tiny share of their net worth. The bulk of their assets are not taxed.

    In past decades, other taxes — like the corporate tax (the burden of which falls on stockholders) and the estate tax — served almost as de facto wealth taxes. But those other taxes have declined, causing the total federal tax rate on the wealthy to plummet:

    Source: Gabriel Zucman of the University of California, Berkeley
    Over the same period, wealth inequality has soared:

    Source: Gabriel Zucman of the University of California, Berkeley
    Today, the wealthy both own a much larger share of the country’s assets than they once did and pay less tax on each dollar of assets. This combination creates problems for everybody else. Many Americans own only modest assets, and the federal government struggles to raise enough tax revenue to pay for society’s needs, like education, health care, transportation, scientific research and the military.

    This week, Senate Democratic leaders proposed a solution, in the form of a new kind of wealth tax. People with at least $1 billion in net worth or $100 million in annual income would be taxed each year on the increase in the value of many of their assets.

    The fate of this specific tax is uncertain, after Senator Joe Manchin expressed skepticism of it yesterday. But wealth taxes — which also featured in the 2020 Democratic presidential campaign — will probably remain part of the political debate in the years ahead, given the country’s level of inequality.

    Today, I want to evaluate the most common objections to wealth taxes. Some are stronger than others.

    1. They’ll destroy the economy
    This is probably the weakest empirical argument against a wealth tax. It’s a version of the same case that opponents of tax increases on the rich always make. And it has a very poor historical record.

    When taxes on the rich were much higher than today, in the decades just after World War II, the economy boomed. Since the 1980s, high-end taxes have plummeted, and the U.S. economy has struggled: Economic growth, incomes for most people and other measures of well-being (like life expectancy) have stagnated since the 1980s. One exception was the 1990s — after Bill Clinton had raised income taxes on the rich as well as the corporate tax.

    Teasing out cause and effect on these issues is difficult. But there is no good evidence that low taxes on the wealthy help the larger economy.

    2. They’re doomed to fail
    One part of this argument also has little evidence to support it, while another is more debatable.

    The weaker part claims that the wealthy will figure out a way to avoid all the effects of a tax increase. That, too, is historically inaccurate. When the federal government has raised tax rates on the rich, tax payments by the rich have risen.

    “Many people have the view that nothing can be done,” Gabriel Zucman, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, has told me. “That’s wrong. Look at history.”

    Here’s another way to think about it: If the very rich could actually avoid the effects of tax increases, they probably wouldn’t spend so much money and effort trying to defeat proposed tax increases.

    The more serious argument is that creating a new wealth tax would be more logistically difficult than raising existing taxes, like the inheritance tax, corporate tax or income tax. (Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and nearly all Republicans evidently oppose many of those other increases, making them impossible to pass and causing some Democrats to turn their attention to wealth taxes.)

    A new wealth tax would require federal officials to do something new: estimate the value of assets each year. They would also have to decide which were subject to taxation. Many experts consider these challenges to be surmountable, but other countries have sometimes struggled with the details.

    3. They’re unconstitutional
    The federal government has the power to tax income, thanks to the 16th Amendment. It is less clear which wealth the federal government can tax.

    The tax code does already include some provisions similar to a wealth tax, like a tax on mutual funds based on their current value. Still, the power to decide what’s constitutional ultimates lies with the Supreme Court. Under Chief Justice John Roberts, the court has been friendly to the interests of the wealthy. The Roberts court has also been aggressive at times about overruling Congress.

    Even if the court threw out the wealth tax, other parts of the Democrats’ bill — expansions of health care, education and clean energy — could survive, New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait has pointed out.

    The bottom line
    A wealth tax is legally and logistically riskier than an increase in existing taxes. But it also has advantages that those other taxes do not. It directly addresses the enormous increase in wealth inequality over recent decades.

    Unless the federal government takes steps to reverse that increase — through existing taxes or new ones — economic inequality in the U.S. will almost certainly remain near its current, Gilded Age-like levels

  90. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    That’s for the payments, but it’s still guaranteed by the constitution. That was a weak attempt at interpretation by the court. So the pension is guaranteed by the courts, but the amount to be paid is not. What a joke.

    Just pay what you owe. Why have contracts if you don’t honor them?

  91. Ex says:

    Pensions…? Are aweeeeeeeesome

  92. Juice Box says:

    The emergency borrowing was allowed to bypass the constitutional mandate by the courts only if it was used for expenses related to the pandemic. They made the debt non-callable too. A real s*H**T sandwich that even white knuckled Senate President Steve Sweeney does not like.

    The Treasury dept is meeting tomorrow to discuss paying down some of the existing 44 Billion we have in Bonds. Expect some kind of political press release as there is an election next week…

    https://www.njspotlight.com/2021/10/paying-off-debt-nj-state-treasury-defease-office-of-public-finance-meeting-public-participation/

  93. Ex says:

    Great for morale! Remind yourself every time some kid whines because you didn’t use the right pronoun….!?? Ahhhh remember the pension –

  94. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – You are denser than vibranium. There is a concept called ability to pay or solvency. That is not guaranteed. Your pension, the governor and the legislature is not entitled to bankrupt the State with borrowing only the voters can approve it. That is the fact jack. You get your day in court, there is no guarantee you get your money, you get inline with everyone else, and guess who gets paid first?

    But anyway FU PAY ME is the NJ way…..it will be print and pay….

  95. Chicago says:

    Great info people.

    Random thought. Would you drive to DC to get a direct flight?

    https://www.flyhuntsville.com/flights/

  96. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Why have contracts if you don’t honor them?

    Just like a divorce. You end up after one with a “contract.” It’s a legally binding agreement on what you are both going to do. You work hard to get one, and pay a fortune for it.

    Only to have your ex pick and choose what they want to actually do later. Are you going to court every time they decide to not follow the agreement? It gets expensive quickly. And when you call the police, they tell you, it’s civil, see a judge.

    Sometimes a divorce doesn’t fully end a marriage. Cause agreements can be broken.

    Same with yours pumpy. Can’t get blood from a stone. First dog there eats first. and there are lots of dogs at that plate.

  97. Clown World says:

    Don’t bother arguing about the NJ pension system, it will fail and everyone cheering and jeering the annual cash flows in/out are just distracted. The NJ pension scheme will fail eventually. It’s only a matter of how many terrible long-term financial decisions that can be made to kick the 50 ton boulder one centimeter down the road.

    Pumpkin – if you are expecting to receive a full pension payment, I would suggest you plan on retiring soon. This is a finite pie to slice up and it’s running out, those that are 15 years away from retirement understand that they will never see a dime paid out.

    Blood–stone…all that.

  98. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    So, the youth are paying pumpy prices for housing (more weight on their backs), high taxes (more weight) now an added 4b(more weight) burying them in more and more heavy debt. Their expenses (healthcare, autos, gas, food, childcare) keep rising, more weight.

    Need to be married to afford all that. Can’t fly on one engine anymore. A divorce, sickness, job loss of one partner- that’s it, game over.

    Of course, this is America, so when it happens to you, expect to be called the nastiest things there are when you need a bit of assistance to crawl away from the wreckage. Guys like pumpy will want to shoot you for stealing a can of tuna fish for your child.

    “I just checked and he borrowed 4B to make a 7B pension payment.

    If you borrow money to make a pension payment you are playing a shell game. Make the pension whole by burying the state further. The bonds they issued cannot be paid in advance so of course the borrowing cost is higher than 4B.”

  99. Juice Box says:

    Chi – Drive to DC? NO WAY….236 miles to Dulles and hellish traffic is possible in many places.

    Why not fly to Birmingham out of LaGuardia and drive, there are two morning flights direct. It’s an hour and half drive 100 miles…Worst thing that could happen is you get stopped for speeding on the highway and have to deal with Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane…..

  100. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s sad how people can’t empathize with a teacher’s contractually obligated retirement. I guess that’s too much to ask…

    We can send billions to other countries, but f/k the teachers. I get it, no one likes teachers. I don’t know why, but it’s pretty pathetic. The people that spent countless years of blood, sweat, and tears into helping your children are the bad guys. Just wild.

    I really don’t give a f/k anymore, just shows the true nature of human beings. If you are bash teachers, you are a pathetic human being. Just remember that when you look in the mirror.

    P.S. How many businesses were bailed out in the past year (some received millions)? How many stimulus checks were sent out? Anyone that bashes the teacher’s pension, but had no issue receiving these payments in the past year are hypocrites. You should have said no, because you don’t believe in govt assistance. You should have sent that money to the pension systems that you robbed for the last 30 years.

  101. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    GP,
    It’s not that. Americans don’t hold their politicians to task here. By now everyone should be rioting in the streets, but they are too busy paying the mortgage on the NJ houses you think are underpriced.

    Eventually, there will be riots. From those younger that were destroyed by this. You might even be a part of it in the future.

    Of course, by then they will just zap you in the head with a laser from a drone. Bye Bye.

    Or you could sign up for Squid game.

  102. Juice Box says:

    BTW – The state’s Pension fund thanks to the run up on Wall St is now $94 Billion highest it has been in over 20 years with an approx 30% return this calendar year alone.

    BTW – They hold no bitcoin. and no Cathy…Pumps get on the horn and advise them to go long disruption.

    Here is the latest report on the allocations from August…

    https://www.nj.gov/treasury/doinvest/pdf/DirectorsReport/2021/AugustFinal.pdf

  103. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Honestly, might be a blessing. Sad, but true.

    Dealing with all this hate, anger, and greed on a daily basis is slowly sucking the life out of me. Have to try and stay positive…it’s not easy sometimes.

    “Of course, by then they will just zap you in the head with a laser from a drone. Bye Bye.”

  104. Clown World says:

    Pumpkin – I don’t think any one here is bashing teachers. For the most part, they do a great job.

    The problem is with the pension system and the fact that you, and 90% of teachers like you, refuse to see the future that is clearly in front of you. You seem giddy at the opportunity to bankrupt the state and future generations for your own benefit. How does that make you different than a corporate bailout or 3rd world nation that’s on the US taxpayers dole?

    I’d be fine with not sending $ to other countries, I’d be thrilled if we didn’t bail out private companies with public dollars. But when your entire argument rests on “What about my contractual obligation!!??” well, in your heart, you know the game is about to end.

    It’s not a situation that anyone is happy about. But as grim noted, the current plan is a ponzi scheme, it will fail eventually. I hope you get yours before it does.

  105. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – Your contract is agreed to with your Union and City you work for, not the entire state of NJ. Nowhere do I get a vote on it, but I have to pay anyway. You are not educating my children. I have no say on your comp or benefits but yet I still have to pay…How is that fair? Where do I even get a say?

    I know you must have taken a course on contract law. The only thing guaranteed in life is death and taxes. Death you can never escape, but sometimes you you can escape taxes by voting with your feet.

  106. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It is what it is.

    I had to pay my entire career into it, that’s a big punch to the gut if I don’t get my money back. It’s like why did you offer it, if I’m not getting it.

    I have lived in north jersey my entire life, I could have grabbed a good job in NYC instead of getting paid less than 6 figures for so long. Dealt with some of the toughest students in the country and get kicked to the curb during my retirement. Just please shoot me if you are going to rob my pension….that’s all I ask.

  107. Juice Box says:

    re: ” kicked to the curb during my retirement” and ‘rob me of my pension”…

    It won’t be me Pumps as I won’t be a resident when the time comes for you to retire.

    It will be your kids and your former students that dump you on the streets.

    I do however want the problem solved, there needs to be changes. I think we can all agree on that.

  108. BRT says:

    You need to face reality like I have. At best, you can expect to get paid 50 cents on the dollar on your pension. You are the same person that cheers them blowing up the US dollar to support the fictitious value of your stocks and real estate. Not everything in life is going to come out in your favor.

  109. Bystander says:

    I am hoping we can negotiate Blumpy down to a quarter.

  110. Juice Box says:

    Speaking of returns which I don’t do much of as it’s off limits most of the time….I have not done as well as the State Pension advisors but then again I am not long all TFANG.

    My YTD on my 401k is 21%. IRA is a rocket, but that is a different story as I play around there like a few people here do. 529 plans not doing as well but not horrible 11%. The other “stuff” that is risker well lets just say I am risk adverse now.

    I am wondering when to go all risk adverse, not ready quite yet, but I can hear the kettle start to boil. I have been telling my financial advisor who job is to talk me off the ledge that the markets are giving me the willies and it is not just because of Halloween this weekend.

    Anyone have any feelings on the subject? This is a non-technical discussion. No candle stick tea leaves please.

  111. Grim says:

    If you want to be paid out based on what you paid in, there is no problem, the teachers pension is entirely solvent.

    But that’s not how it works.

    You are paid out far beyond what you ever paid in, plus interest, plus investment gains.

  112. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Brt,

    Why do you accept it? That’s weak. You fight till the end. You did nothing wrong. Don’t be that guy. Wake up. Are you really this easy of a target to rob? Jeez.

  113. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I expect to be paid and will go to political war to get it. This is political, so know who you are voting for.

  114. Juice Box says:

    Voting for me with my feet. I won’t be pulling the lever for either Clown next week.

    The two public questions on the ballot are for amending the Constitution for ga*mbl*ing.

    I have already enough chips on the table just living here.

  115. PumpkinFace says:

    Hilarious that you take the position that you could have been working elsewhere making seven figures a year all this time.

  116. PumpkinFace says:

    People like you are the problem. You are full of hate. We are all Americans. Let poorer families live in Wayne and attend the schools.

  117. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Grim,

    Please explain this to me. I think you are wrong, maybe reading this will help you understand that they robbed the pension plan. Btw, NJ has one of the crappiest least generous pension packages in the game.

    “These public pension systems used to have too much money. Now they’re in crisis. What happened?

    It’s tempting for governments to pull back on funding pensions when times are good but near-impossible to make it up when they’re not.

    In 2001, some of the country’s biggest public pension systems were flush.

    The plan serving Kentucky state workers, for example, was 125.8% funded, meaning it had 25.8% more money on hand to pay all of what it owed current retirees and workers expected to retire for the next 30 years.

    But not even two decades later, Kentucky’s pensions, and some other previously over-funded plans, were in crisis. What happened?”

    “Red flags?
    Retirement funds aren’t slush funds, but they can seem that way to governments. Fabian says that temptation is “why I think pension funds are not suitable for political employers. They are a budget gimmick tool.”

    Reducing payments or increasing benefits isn’t inherently a red flag, argues David Draine, a senior officer for the Pew Charitable Trusts, as long as “you’re following the rules and doing what your actuaries tell you.”

    The problem, Draine said in an interview, is that cities and states often take too much away from pensions when times are good, and when times are bad, it becomes extremely difficult to compensate.

    “You can’t treat good news differently than you treat bad news,” Draine said.

    It’s worth pointing out that some recent public finance research suggests that the notion of a public-pension crisis is vastly overblown. That’s because the current standards are meant for a system in which municipalities have on hand all the money they’ll need to pay all plan participants for the next 30 years, which some analysts think isn’t necessary.”

    https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/these-public-pension-systems-used-to-have-too-much-money-now-theyre-in-crisis-what-happened-11624472487

  118. chicagofinance says:

    left & stu: I never put 2+2 together…..

    Officer Koharski is a pig….. I don’t know why they didn’t use an overweight actor…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtXnIBMLFa4

  119. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Throwing jabs now? I bet Im worth more than you and Im on a shi!ty teacher’s salary. Bring it, d-bag!

    PumpkinFace says:
    October 28, 2021 at 12:35 pm
    Hilarious that you take the position that you could have been working elsewhere making seven figures a year all this tim

  120. chicagofinance says:

    also…. at a doughnut shop…..

  121. chicagofinance says:

    Apple and Amazon in 3 hours…… market is just crazy….. nervous as sh!t….. will next week be a big hiccup?

  122. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The plan went from overfunded by 26% to only 16% funded in less than two decades. That’s insane. So keep blaming the pension as the source of the problem…it was robbed, plain and simple. Calling for the end of pensions because they “were robbed” is a kick to the face. Just imagine if this happened to you. Are you going to say it’s okay? Are you going to say it’s a ponzi scheme get rid of it?

    They could have liquidated the entire kentucky pension system in 2001, and be in a better position today than they currently are. This makes me sick. How no one is being held accountable for robbing workers pensions is beyond me. Remember, don’t blame blue politicians, Kentucky is a red state. So keep the bs out of this debate.

    “The plan serving Kentucky state workers, for example, was 125.8% funded, meaning it had 25.8% more money on hand to pay all of what it owed current retirees and workers expected to retire for the next 30 years.”

  123. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – Don’t give two craps about Kentucky as I won’t be living there.

    The NJ pension was fine until 1992 when Democratic governor Florio robbed it of a $1.5 Billion dollar contribution and changed the expected rate of return. These rest of the cast of characters just followed along. Whitman invested the pensions into the stock market, but it was mismanaged later and it crashed after she left office during the dot com bust. DiFrancesco, McGreevy, and Codey and down the line all did little to fix underfunding issues. Corzine, Christie and now Murphy have all shored it up a bit but the reality is you cannot get it to where it needs to be. It’s still short somewhere between $75 to $100 Billion. Even with something like @ 30% return this year alone won’t be anywhere near enough.

    You cannot tax and borrow that kind of money without going bankrupt. You best bet is to pray the democrats down in DC print up a solution because the tax payers that live here can’t and won’t afford it…

  124. BRT says:

    you moron, the people that you’ve been cheering your whole career, the NJEA reps, the dem politicians you voted for and their crony friends on Wall St. have bled it dry. And you want them to hold themselves responsible. They have their hands in the cookie jar and laugh at you behind closed doors, yet you cheer for them and vote for them.

  125. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Chi,

    He thinks we get pull back over next couple weeks and then a melt up. Believes it crashes 80% next year.

    “Today we are seeing the beginning of the pullback. Oil is rolling over. Copper is rolling over. Industrials & materials are rolling over.Financials are rolling over. Semis look ready to roll over. Bonds are rallying. Clearly,investors are becoming concerned about the economy.”

    https://twitter.com/davehcontrarian/status/1453425263795220487?s=21

  126. crushednjmillenial says:

    Teachers and police officers in NJ should be earning approximately $50k/ year in salary. This number would be more in line with numbers around the nation. The pros of a government job are: (1) stability (very unlikely to be fired); (2) a pension; and (3) low accountability. For teachers, you also get the hours which align with the times that your children are in school.

    Government worker unions should be abolished nationwide, because the modus operandi is “hey, elected official, give us public workers too much and we will vote for you. Give us only what is fair and we will vote for the other guy.”

    Christie was able to gain power by tapping into this issue. Maybe if there is a down market in 2025, another republican might be able to do the same.

  127. Libturd says:

    Chi – driving to DC sucks unless you are driving between 8pm and 6am. The beltway and the area around Baltimore as well as all of Delaware is a traffic nightmare.

    The LGA to Birmingham sounds like a great plan. Small airports rule. Never a delay. Never a long transfer. Always a Dunkin or Starbucks with no line.

    I try to fly out of Westchester as often as possible even if it is sometimes an hour further away than EWR. Chances are, you’ll be up in the air before the same times flight from Newark is even boarding. No security lines, no traffic, no nonsense. The walk from the plane to your car is like 50 yards. Mercer and AC are like that too. Though some of those airlines will screw you hard if the flight is cancelled.

  128. Ex says:

    10:34 I took my money “early” so to speak. At 60, in five years, NJ will start paying me. It’s a relatively modest amount, but if I continue to work in high cost areas, it will supplement my income nicely, even cover a 2nd home payment for eventual refuge from ultra high cost living and a step down to some forgotten little town with tall trees, cold winters, and cheap homes.

  129. 3b says:

    Government officials work for big business and public sector unions like previously said. Why the rest of us bother to vote makes no sense. As for myself I have gone from being a huge public school fan to giving people school choice.

  130. Juice Box says:

    LGA can be quick in and out.

    I do train ride for $15.25 to Penn Station and then cab ride depending on traffic $34-$44

    Way cheaper than Uber or long term parking and toll.

  131. SmallGovConservative says:

    BRT says:
    October 28, 2021 at 11:41 am
    “You need to face reality like I have. At best, you can expect to get paid 50 cents on the dollar on your pension…”

    I used to think this was inevitable, but having since witnessed Biden’s bailouts, I’m not convinced that it will be the case any time soon. I now believe that all future Dem administrations (with Dem congresses) will engage in blue-state-related bailouts whenever they deem it advantageous to do so. They may be targeted, such as Obama’s bailout of GM/Chrysler (and essentially Michigan), or they may be massive, such as Biden’s monstrosity from earlier this year. Regardless, as it pertains to blue-state public employees, I’m confident that Dem-controlled federal governments will keep them whole until they literally cannot do so anymore — at which point they will have destroyed the US dollar.

    https://nypost.com/2021/03/10/massive-1-9-trillion-bill-is-a-bailout-for-blue-states/

  132. Libturd says:

    On the pension front. I dare you to tell us what you paid in and what you will be paid out under the current plan.

    I’ll tell you what I paid into my 401K.

    Then I’ll make you a friendly bet.

    I bet you I paid in more than double and I will get out less than half of what you will for the first twenty years at your payment rate. Then mine will be near empty and yours will be just as full as it was the day you retired, while mine will be near empty. Your’s will most likely continue to ratchet up with a COLA. Mine will get destroyed by the inflation necessary to pay your COLA. You live to 100, and that’s 40 to 45 years of an amazing retirement. I live to 100 and the last 20 years I’m living in a cardboard box in Penn Station lucky enough to scrounge a half-eaten donut from some wrinkled commuter stupid enough not to have worked for the government like me.

    Want to guess what I’ve contributed to my 401K which (if I’m lucky) will be worth 2 million when I turn 60? And I’m a shrewd investor who actually works 12 months a year.

  133. Libturd says:

    The Murphy pension payment bonding was as stupid as can be. When the bailouts come, and they will (at the expense of more money printing and devalued currency to the rest of us), we will be paying 6 billion for that 4 billion which the other states will have been paid by all fifty states. My guess is that the underwriting fees and interest payments were a sweet gift to his Wall Street buddies who are still contributors.

    I voted NOTA as I usually do.

  134. Ex says:

    1:41 I’m grateful for sure. Well aware of how generous these pensions can be. Only caveat, you have to stay healthy to collect. Sadly many expire right after they finally retire. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but yeah, the plan is sweet. Funny thing, I had NO idea when I started teaching as to how great a plan it actually was. The veteran teachers did know and the long-term employees retire like millionaires.

  135. Juice Box says:

    Lib – Men rarely live that long. His widow that will be collecting it to 100 + years old, she never kicked in a dime and will never remarry either for you see if she does the pension will end.

  136. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lib,

    It’s not a 401k. Why do you continue to make this argument is beyond me. Do you understand that some people have paid into the pension system more than they took? Do you understand this?! I know two teachers that passed away on their first month of retirement in the past 2 years. They had no spouse. Does your math account for this?

    Stop treating this like a 401k. Did your 401k begin with a bunch of workers contributing while there were almost zero retirees? Building up a huge base that can be used to compound over decades? Did it?

    Most teachers are not wealthy. Robbing them of a pension is just wrong. You don’t promise something over an individual’s career and then take it away. A lot of these people will be f/ed in retirement if you pull the rug out from under their feet.

  137. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Dude, you are sick. You really are. 50k?!

    Why would you become a teacher or a cop when you can go to mcd’s and make more money being a manager there? You can go to almost any job and get 20 an hour now. You just hate govt workers, you are biased.

    crushednjmillenial says:
    October 28, 2021 at 1:19 pm
    Teachers and police officers in NJ should be earning approximately $50k/ year in salary

  138. Fast Eddie says:

    I had NO idea when I started teaching as to how great a plan it actually was. The veteran teachers did know and the long-term employees retire like millionaires.

    Extortion of the private sector is a beautiful thing, isn’t it?

  139. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fast,

    Are you opting out of social security? Otherwise you are a hypocrite.

    Pensions work for the middle class. It’s just a shame the rich raided most pensions. It’s a brilliant idea, as it allows individuals to work together to create a fund that takes care of you or your spouse in retirement (it’s an advantage over a 401k because it’s group based, meaning higher returns for those that make it to collect.) It’s simply an investment in themselves. Only problem, they didn’t control it. The powers that be couldn’t help themselves when they were all overfunded, and robbed them blind.

    So who really got extorted here? (I’m talking about both public and private pensions)

    Fast Eddie says:
    October 28, 2021 at 2:11 pm
    I had NO idea when I started teaching as to how great a plan it actually was. The veteran teachers did know and the long-term employees retire like millionaires.

    Extortion of the private sector is a beautiful thing, isn’t it?

  140. grim says:

    The middle class don’t get sweetheart pensions like you.

  141. grim says:

    Fuckerberg thinks he can hide by changing the name of the company.

  142. Juice Box says:

    Way to pivot “Meta”‘…. Save the Robots…

    Meta aka FB made 29 Billion last qt and has claimed 3.6 Billion users basically 1/2 the planet. Zuck also went all double barrel on the the criticism. No mention of slavery, trafficking, drug trades and all kinds of crimes against humanity.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/facebook-content-moderation-posts-wars-afghanistan-middle-east-arabic/

  143. crushednjmillenial says:

    2:04 . . .

    The manager at the McDonald’s faces instability (easy to get fired), gets no pension, and has high accountability (if he slacks off, there are quantitative numbers that show it). Further, if the MCD’s manager is salaried, he works 70+ hours a week; if he is not, then his hours change every week. Even at $75k, I’d rather make $50k as a govt worker than $75k in the private sector due to these issues.

    Finally, even if teacher salaries were $30k, you could still easily fill up normal NJ schools all day (ghetto schools – harder to hire for at super low salaries). For a lot of people, it is a second job in a household.

  144. Libturd says:

    I think teachers should be paid more and benefitted what is standard in the private sector. This way, we could actually get better teachers, but pay a lot less for them.

  145. Juice Box says:

    Here are the 2,468 pages of the new spending bill.

    The changes to the 401Ks and IRAs are in there so a big FU to retirement savers, phase out starts at $400k income.

    BTW all the pandering on affecting the truly rich and taxing their stock holdings etc, well it’s all gone.

    https://rules.house.gov/bill/117/hr-5376

  146. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Crushed,

    Thanks for proving me correct. You have zero respect for teachers. The 50k position said it all. This mcds manager comparison just seals the deal. How you can compare a mcds’s manager to a professional is beyond me. You are a sad individual. Hope it makes you feel good putting this profession down. Enjoy it.

    No offense, but people like you are what is wrong with this country. 30k to teach. You have zero respect for education….zero.

    Care to share what you do for a living?

  147. 3b says:

    Juice: The cost is zero, Joe told me so!

  148. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If the state had simply made its normal contribution each year, we wouldn’t be in this mess. As it turns out, that normal contribution isn’t a whole lot. If you look under the hood at the last actuarial report for the TPAF — the Teachers’ Pension and Annuity Fund — you’ll see that it covers about 141,000 active members with a total payroll of $10.6 billion. To cover the ongoing costs of these members’ accrued pension obligations — what’s known as the Normal Cost — the state owes less than $400 million.

    https://www.njspotlight.com/2019/03/19-03-14-op-ed-njs-pensions-are-not-expensive-so-lets-stop-pretending-they-are/amp/

    New Jersey Public Pensions Rank Among Least Generous in the Nation
    Pensions for New Jersey Teachers and State Employees Rank in the Bottom 10 for Generosity Out of 69 Public Plans Nationally

    http://www.njpp.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/NJ-Pension-Brief-12-13-17-Final.pdf

  149. Fast Eddie says:

    For example: This is pathetic… truly a f.ucking ripoff of people’s money. Parochial schools are doing this at a 3rd of the price. Embarrassing.

    Zondler Joyce HUDSON NORTH BERGEN TWP Lincoln Elementary School Kindergarten $144,317
    Desai Amisha PASSAIC PASSAIC CITY Thomas Jefferson School No. 1 Kindergarten $118,782
    Roach Amanda K PASSAIC PASSAIC CITY Thomas Jefferson School No. 1 Kindergarten $118,782
    FITZPATRICK KATHERINE ESSEX WEST ORANGE TOWN Washington Elementary School Kindergarten $118,021
    Tellechea Barbara HUDSON UNION CITY George Washington Elementary School Kindergarten $117,300
    Butrym Katarzyna PASSAIC PASSAIC CITY Ulysses S. Grant School No. 7 Kindergarten $116,961
    DISCAFANI NATALE BERGEN GARFIELD CITY Garfield Middle School Kindergarten $116,814
    Reyes Elizabeth PASSAIC PASSAIC CITY Martin Luther King Jr. School No. 6 Kindergarten $116,466
    PERNA LINDA ESSEX WEST ORANGE TOWN Washington Elementary School Kindergarten $116,433
    BRATTOLI LISA M ESSEX WEST ORANGE TOWN Kelly Elementary School Kindergarten $116,377

  150. Libturd says:

    As for the markets and the latest move straight up?

    Position yourself accordingly based on your risk profile. Noone ever died taking profits, especially those as massive as we have had pretty much since Obama’s inauguration. The way I see it, even if I miss out on the cherry on top, I still get to eat the mountain of whipped cream. Those who get the cherry are liable to lose it with much of the whipped cream and possibly, some of the ice cream too.

    Most investors today never experienced a bear market. Such was the case during the tech bubble blow out. What scares me more than anything though, is the crazy amount of gains bourne out of speculation. These SPACs, these Cryptos and these supposed technological disruptors are what’s really driving this straight up push. The industrials are looking quite normal. So where do you think the blowout is going to come from? The SPACs the Cryptos and the disruptors. And the contagion is going to impact the rest of it.

    https://tinyurl.com/straighttothe-moon

    Play it safe. Risk to stable. I am 70/30 across the board. Plan is to be 50/50 by Christmas tax loss harvesting. If bull continues, no big deal, I’ll happily take half. If market indeed does crash, I’ll take my stable and invest it back in on the way down about 15% of it for every 10% drop. The at risk half, I’ll probably just let it run. I know market timing is a fool’s game that somehow I’ve been lucky enough to keep profiting off of. Probably because I’m not greedy. Don’t invest in pork belly futures. A lot of pigs are about to be slaughtered.

  151. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The billionaires bought their way out and pushed it on everyone else. They were the ones who were supposed to contribute more, but nope…

    Juice Box says:
    October 28, 2021 at 3:19 pm
    Here are the 2,468 pages of the new spending bill.

    The changes to the 401Ks and IRAs are in there so a big FU to retirement savers, phase out starts at $400k income.

    BTW all the pandering on affecting the truly rich and taxing their stock holdings etc, well it’s all gone.

    https://rules.house.gov/bill/117/hr-5376

  152. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fast, you take peak salary, which most teachers don’t even get to, to bash teachers. How many years did those teachers make 60k or less? Now out of jealousy you bash them for what they make at the top.

    Just admit the source of your anger is jealousy. In your bitter mind, they should make peanuts their entire career. Let go of the hate.

  153. Fast Eddie says:

    I really need to get away from anything that is run by democrats. You’re a repugnant, scandalous and shameless pile of dung.

  154. Fast Eddie says:

    A kindergarten teacher grossing $14,400 per month is f.ucking theft. Sickening, pathetic, despicable theft.

  155. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – your pension is all in for the tech stocks TFANGs about 30 Billion in all direct stock and lots of indirect via many many many other funds. You think they are going to manage any pull back well? That 30% gain will evaporate. Same as what happened in DOT com 1.0…They will claim they did not see it coming.

  156. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fast,

    Only in your mind is that theft. A teammate of yours from team red once told me…stop counting other people’s money.

    Btw, those numbers you are looking include other jobs those teachers take on. That’s not their full salary for just teaching.

    Why do you want people to get paid crap? Why? Honest question.

  157. Ex says:

    3:48 I’d like to see you try to teach a month of kindergarten.

  158. Juice Box says:

    Too bad the teachers in my family don’t care about their pensions as much as Pumps does. Right now they are busy posting on FB about some brain killing show called Vandepump tools.

  159. JUice Box says:

    Cuomo charged and might do time?

    Definite sentences are jail terms of a year or less. Sexual misconduct, forcible touching, and sexual abuse in the second degree are all class A misdemeanors. If you are convicted of one of these crimes in NY the maximum sentence is up to one year in jail.

  160. BRT says:

    Zuckerberg is an idiot. He’s copying Ron Artest, changing his name to Metta. Artest should sue.

  161. Grim says:

    His depiction of the metaverse has no ads being shoved down everyone’s throat.

  162. BRT says:

    Teachers who are worth their weight in gold should be paid six figures and they should have a pathway to that in their first 5 to 7 years of employment. Unfortunately, the union tries to ensure that they’ll have to slave it out for 20 years before they ever get there. You have only your union to blame for the salary structure. Do you think the electricians union tries to suppress their members salaries?

  163. Libturd says:

    Happy Halloween. SFW, not so much for your sanity.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/J1g2q9XsP6sQdmag9

  164. JCer says:

    Ex here’s the issue 144k is steep for a job with great benefits, good hours, that only requires coming to work 9.5 months of the year. Ed is right that the catholic schools pay like 50k and don’t give great benefits. Those are all “urban” schools who are not getting great results, what does the kindergarten teacher in Millburn get paid? It’s one thing to pay more for a teacher with rare skills teaching higher level classes.

    The problem is the pay isn’t the half of it, for the most part teachers salaries are not too high outside the over sized salaries of random teachers in urban districts. I think the salaries are pretty fair, a teacher needs to have other side work in this area to survive on what they make if they are going to live a solidly middle class lifestyle or needs to be married to someone with good income. If you are interested in money it’s not the career for you, it has to be a calling. The cost of benefits is the issue because as lib and grim point out the defined benefits plans with large pensions being run by a state are a disaster. Everyone treats the pension like a piggybank assuming the taxpayer or someone else will make it whole. Public employee unions should be illegal it runs counter to the public’s benefit and does not support the greater good, the whole quid-pro-quo nature of it is very suspect.

  165. Fast Eddie says:

    I’d like to see you try to teach a month of kindergarten.

    If I did, they’d be taught the correct way.

  166. 3b says:

    Jcer ; 50k is probably on the high end for Catholic
    Schools. I don’t think they start that high, and I would imagine it’s takes a long time to get there. Their benefits are meager, that I know, and they don’t offer spousal coverage on their health care plans.

  167. Ex says:

    5:29 riiiiight. Because aside from being an award winning cube dweller, you are also an expert in early childhood education.

  168. chicagofinance says:

    JUice Box says:
    October 28, 2021 at 4:32 pm
    Cuomo charged and might do time?

    Definite sentences are jail terms of a year or less. Sexual misconduct, forcible touching, and sexual abuse in the second degree are all class A misdemeanors. If you are convicted of one of these crimes in NY the maximum sentence is up to one year in jail.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jes-iZzy_Tk

  169. grim says:

    God that Zuckerberg video – his cartoon avatar has more charisma than he does.

  170. Juice Box says:

    Grim – cannot get my post up….

    anyway here is a redacted version….

    He even looks like a buff cartoonish character here in his presentation. The CGI shadowing on his body and head for example, it’s definitely what they call volumetric lighting and sun shadow lighting used in video games. Also to me like he was wearing a green screen suit for this. Then he goes off on Crypto and NFTs like those are something that is real?

    He reminds me of the people he used to make fun of 15 years ago, anyone in silcon valley above 30 years old and HBO’s Silicon Valley show’s over the top character Gavin Belson…

    Nice to have Billions to burn..

    Not a long watch..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9vWShsmE20

  171. Fast Eddie says:

    riiiiight. Because aside from being an award winning cube dweller, you are also an expert in early childhood education.

    Spoken like a true liberal, you have to be told how to instruct based on doctrine because instinct, aptitude and the ability to judge and adjust are not attributes of the liberal mind. You have to be lead and commanded as opposed to using intuition and sentiment. It’s a communal mindset, transformation over guidance; renewal over discovery.

  172. Juice Box says:

    Best hit’s of Gavin Belson..from HBO’s Silicon Valley..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30WTWkFe910

  173. Juice Box says:

    Eddie- I am gonna say it nice…They don’t teach the kindergartner’s how to goose step and wear brown shirts. That all comes later….Give it a rest…

  174. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just got home from a wake. Live life my friends, life is too short. Focus on what you can control and ignore the noise.

  175. Juice Box says:

    Well said Pumps sorry for your loss..

  176. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Last post about education, don’t want to torture the board more than I have.

    Just for once in your life, give some respect to the education field. It’s not an easy job and I don’t know why you guys think it is. You guys have this romanticized vision of teaching in your mind where you do nothing and get a ton of vacation time. Also, you have this naive thought in your mind that they can’t get fired. Trust me, if they want you out, they will make your life so miserable that you resign. I’ve seen it done over and over. We have a saying between my co-workers and myself…don’t end up on the list.

    So you go ahead and think it’s peaches and cream. I’m 17 years in and still get stressed the f’k out when kids won’t stay on task, knowing an admin could be spying outside your door. You have no idea the stress i go through to motivate kids that don’t give a f’k, so that I don’t end up on that list.

    My mentor recently resigned. That’s crazy, but he had enough and resigned. I couldn’t believe it.

    So keep telling me how good the job is.

  177. grim says:

    Wake in Clifton?

  178. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thanks Juice. Appreciate it.

  179. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yup, in Clifton.

  180. grim says:

    John F?

  181. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yea, that’s my Uncle John. Guy was a legend back in the day in the streets of clifton and passaic. Polish goral at heart. As tough as they come.

  182. grim says:

    Wow, you realize we may be blood relatives then, right? My grandmother on my mom’s side is a F. My dad and brother were there, I couldn’t make it, wife was working late. I talked with John a little bit at my Mom’s funeral two years back.

  183. Juice Box says:

    Pumps you continually come back for way more punishment than you deserve, that is a tell to me, way more than anything you type. Tough skin Pumps has for sure.

    I don’t believe that anyone here is personally angry at you except for BRT, but that guy is from Bergenfield and needs some kind of Washington St retribution. I have been trying to coach him to do a Pay Per View “Teach vs Teach” no holds barred but cannot get a promoter.. so no go yet…

    As you said live to fight another day..

  184. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wait, what?! Lmao

  185. grim says:

    By the way, I still have no idea who you are, I never doxxed you to find out.

  186. Ex says:

    In other news: last night I
    Scored two tickets to the Halloween Dead & co. Show
    Hollywood Bowl. Very
    Good seats. Fan sold them to me at face val.

  187. The Great Pumpkin says:

    My mind is blown right now trying to make sense of this.

  188. Ex says:

    8:30 education is something that people actually study.
    Early childhood is very very complex. It’s wonderful to work with kids
    That age but I’ll tell you it’s terrifying to think of spending all day every day with them.
    The only reason I could do what I did was knowing I only had to entertain them for an hour. With no training or mentorship you be toast after an hour. Trust me.

  189. grim says:

    It’s all the same Frydman crew.

  190. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If you know Veronica F…that’s my grandma. Yea, the one this blog claims i ripped off.

    Feel so bad for her. She has had to bury two grandkids, and three children. Strong woman still going. I have so much respect for her work ethic. One of the hardest workers I know.

  191. grim says:

    My grandmother’s sister I believe, yes I know her, she knows me by face. My mom prayed rosary with her at St. John Kanty for decades.

  192. Juice Box says:

    Grim and Pumps are long lost family!!!

    I will try and translate!!!

    przykro mi było to słyszeć, opowiadać!

    jestem zgubiony so dopijać

    Sorry about your loss. I do mean that I have an uncle in Ireland right now who has less than a week to live.

  193. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I went to St John Kanty k-8. Lot of memories at that church.

  194. Fast Eddie says:

    Early childhood is very very complex.

    …I only had to entertain them for an hour.

    con·tra·dic·tion
    /ˌkäntrəˈdikSH(ə)n/

    noun

    The statement of a position opposite to one already made.

  195. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Learned to play soccer at Richardson park at 4 years old. Athenia was a cool place to grow up. Sticker factory…go diving in the dumpster for stickers. The Bmx spot that got turned into a baseball field at the jewish Y

  196. Grim says:

    Trying to figure out who your mom is.

  197. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Jumbo’s Italian Ice was awesome as a kid…then get mario’s pizza.

  198. grim says:

    Ok, so your aunt is Sophie P? If so, I know her really well, she was really close with my parents. You would have been cousins with Eddie too, were close with them as well.

    It’s pretty crazy I don’t know who you are.

  199. Walking says:

    Wait how many polish mountain men do we have on this board? Im from ChoCholow (pronounced ho-ho-wolf for the others on board).
    BTW are you guys talking about Big John?

  200. Fast Eddie says:

    All this talk between the Polish clan… I think I need to go to Golden Eagle in Garfield tomorrow. Unless you guys have a better place to recommend.

  201. grim says:

    By the way, that’s like 20-25 miles west of where “we” hail from.

  202. 3b says:

    Fast : Tartar Haus.

  203. Libturd says:

    Poletergeist!

  204. BRT says:

    lol, this is hilarious Pumps and Grim share DNA. Damn it, now grim can’t ban him… For the record, I don’t hate Pumps, I just get mean in attempt to get him to stop engaging me. It never works. And Juice, you are right, the attitude comes from Bergenfield.

    Pumps, sorry for your loss.

  205. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Walking,

    Big John indeed. Chances are, if you got into a fight with my Uncle, you learned a valuable lesson. Unfortunately, a lot of people had to learn the hard way.

    In my first few years of homeownership, the third floor destroyed my apartment and would not leave. My uncle john wanted to go handle it. My mom had to stop him or I would have had a lawsuit on my hands. Total old school tough guy. All about respect.

  206. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Grim,

    Josephine is my mother’s name. Ed was one of my idles growing up. One of my fav cousins. He did so much crazy sh!t growing up. Such a good heart though, just don’t cross him.

  207. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thanks, BRT. Appreciate it. No hard feelings with the past.

  208. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Now, don’t you guys get soft on me. Don’t hold back when i deserve it.

  209. grim says:

    Second cousin once removed, and a blood relative.

    I’m guessing you’ve never done 23 & Me and shared your info to DNA Relatives.

    I know, and grew up with, most all of your extended family. For example, nobody ever called him Eddie, it’s Edziu, and I always called Helena my aunt.

    You are the only one I really don’t remember, likely because you went to SJK (That’s how your know Erik and his brother, because otherwise, he lived on the other side of Clifton in grade school). If you went to CHS, we missed each other by a year.

    If your mom is who I think she is, we talked for a little bit at the parish picnic a month or so ago (She’s actually my proper 2nd cousin).

    Did you grow up on Speer or Orange? If so, you realize you grew up like 3 or 4 blocks from me, which makes this all the more curious, because I know everyone in Athenia. For example, Speer, you would have been almost across the street from Eddie Arl., but I think he had a little brother who you would have been closer in age to.

  210. grim says:

    Wait a minute, I may have screwed up one detail. Veronica wasn’t my grandmother’s sister, but sister-in-law (my grandmother’s maiden name was F). Veronica came from the Prelich side I think. Still doesn’t change the blood relation and position though.

  211. Juice Box says:

    I have been busy scratching NJ colleges of the list for my kids.

    Rutgers was always a communist commune, but this takes it to a whole new level, this teacher believes we need a white genocide.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10143199/NJ-professor-says-got-motherf-s-talking-white-people.html

  212. BRT says:

    how many takes do you think Zuckerberg had to go through on that crappy vid?

  213. BRT says:

    Rutgers wasn’t bad in the 90s, it started to devolve into what it is rapidly in the 2000s when I was in grad school. There are still some great professors and researchers there, but there is a whole contingent of hacks that are destroying it from within. Not unique to Rutgers though, this is basically happening at every college.

  214. grim says:

    Go for it, but teach critical everything theory, let’s build a model focused on teaching the shitty side of everyone and everything, so that everyone knows how ugly the history of the human race is?

  215. Juice Box says:

    All you need to do is listen to some heavy metal and rap. You will get your ugly human history there.

  216. Juice Box says:

    re: “how many takes”

    If you look at the fancy footwork quite a few, he could not look down at the floor markings on the set where he was supposed to be slowing and smoothly stepping towards.

  217. grim says:

    https://www.delish.com/food-news/a38095975/mark-zuckerberg-meta-announcement-sauce/

    I know bbq purists say it’s shitty sauce, but Sweet Baby Ray’s is god damned delicious.

  218. Juice Box says:

    Be careful with the 23 and me folks. I found out I have a 1/2 sister more than a decade older than me who lives in England and is Jewish. She did not know about us and we did not know about her until this past summer. Seems her mom who was already married and had kids went out for a night on the town in London back in 1955 and met a spry young Irish bricklayer just off the boat for a dalliance. We have not told dear old mom, although some cousins do know because of 23 and me.

  219. Libturd says:

    I’m with you Grim. And enough with all of these holidays. We are a melting pot. My company might be going this route (somewhat). There’s discussions around it and I fully support it. If you get 6 or 9 holidays a year, you choose whatever days off you want. Scheduling is already a pain in the ass around holidays. I, for one, should not be off work for Christmas every year. Nor should an Indian be working on on Diwali, etc.

    I also think we should just dump Thanksgiving, the fourth of July, Labor Day, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, Presidents Day and have a melting pot week during the Summer. Celebrating all cultures and diversity and how it is what America is about. Have your military parades, puerto rican parade, black history parade, etc., all at the same time. Giant potluck festivals with all of the food trucks. It would be like Epcot across the entire country. Instead, we celebrate our whiteness, blackness, puerto rica ness pretty much with only our cultural peers. It’s really kind of a stupid waste of time.

  220. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    I give that heifer credit for one thing, she didn’t try to disguise her hate in a bunch of sanctimonious bullshlt the way most of the left does.

    And Rutgers is a lost cause. It’s an sjw indoctrination mill. Been that way for a while. Really sad for the people who are committed to objectivity to see its decline.

    You can see the university system in mid collapse. The enrollment rates show it. Which is no wonder that the left wants to pay for this useless shlt. This blob has no productive value. The only way way to empower her is to give her some buys title like gender studies chair with a big salary. It’s happened everywhere.

  221. grim says:

    Watched a few minutes of the video.

    A whole lot of gross generalization and stereotyping.

    Growing up, I was taught that kind of behavior was wrong. It’s OK now?

    “White people are villains in the aggregate.” What?

  222. 3b says:

    Juice: She looks incredibly angry in those pictures; must be fun to hang out with her.

  223. Juice Box says:

    The Rutgers football program tells the story. 0-4 in the East.. and 3-4 in the Big Ten.

    20-13 loss
    51 -13 loss
    31 -1 3 loss
    21-7 loss

    The are going against another 0-4 team tomorrow. Place your bets. On the money line, if you lay your $100 on Rutgers, it would pay $180. If you choose Illinois, it would pay $205.

  224. Libturd - takes his BBQ seriously says:

    Grim,

    For traditional barbecue sauce (BBQ chicken, ribs and pork shoulder/butt), it’s the one I stock. You can get it by the gallon at RD and it’s dirt cheap too. Though it’s mostly HFCS if I recall correctly. Still, it represents what most Americans consider barbecue should taste like.

    IMO, the best sauces you can buy are Central’s Sweet Heat(best all around), Lillie Q’s Gold (best mustard based and available at good supermarkets), Salt Lick Honey Pecan (amazing on chicken or fish), Killer Hogs Vinegar Sauce (the authority on Vinegar) and my crazy new find for pulled pork, Hunts Cherrywood Chipotle. It’s $1 a bottle on sale and really has a lot going on besides sweetness and no HFCS.

  225. grim says:

    Oh my god your dad is Ziggy

  226. Libturd says:

    “You can see the university system in mid collapse. The enrollment rates show it.”

    Nah, between Covid and the remote learning advances, plus the outrageous tuition, people are realizing that the traditional college degree ain’t worth it. Especially for the average student.

  227. Libturd says:

    Pumps has run silent. Can’t wait to hear the Ziggy stories.

  228. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Hey Exxon announced a share buy back due to record cash flows. Thanks for taking care of us Joe. Sorry about the runaway inflation though.

  229. Juice Box says:

    3b – Odds are the school does nothing, and I mean not even an investigation like interviewing past teaching assistants.

  230. Juice Box says:

    Nah – he is teaching..He will be back later..

  231. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Hell the NJEA will probably make her keynote next week. Thats a big part of the message that they are busy promoting in schools.

  232. 3b says:

    Juice: I agree. I happen to think people unhappy in their personal lives lash out at others and she looks miserable.

  233. Phoenix says:

    So Pumps last name is Stardust?

  234. 3b says:

    Finishing up on the Pole fest last night, I do like Polish noodles with bacon and sweet cabbage.

  235. Phoenix says:

    3b

    Every pound gained is 4lbs on each of your knees. This will make them miserable.

    “The accumulated reduction in knee load for a 1-pound loss in weight would be more than 4,800 pounds per mile walked,” writes researcher Stephen P. Messier, PhD, of Wake Forest University in the July issue of Arthritis & Rheumatism. “For people losing 10 pounds, each knee would be subjected to 48,000 pounds less in compressive load per mile walked.”

  236. grim says:

    Pumps, say hi to my dad this morning, Joe B.

  237. grim says:

    I got the skinny from my dad on why we didn’t cross paths as much as we should, it’s that we’re a half step different from a generation perspective, ages didn’t really line up all that well. My parents and the extended family were closer to all of your OLDER uncles and aunts, not your mom and Anna who were a lot younger. Your mom was actually a lot closer to my (older) brother in age, but still older enough that they didn’t hang out in the same circles.

  238. Juice Box says:

    3B – I have been looking at the resumes of the leadership teams of all NJ colleges. Bit of a transformation for sure. Chanc*ellors, Deans, VPs all leadership teams have been transfo*rmed or are in the process of a pur*ge.

    I will pick on Rowan as it is not on my list of schools I would send my kids too. They have a whole new thought pol*ice department. Trust me there will be no fa*sci*sts at that school!

    https://tinyurl.com/2nvhmkut

  239. grim says:

    And yes, I totally know your mom. We did talk at the picnic. She would know me as Jimmy B and my Brother/Sister Johnny and Christine. I vaguely remember you and your brother, we did occasionally cross paths when we were really young. I know your brother’s wife’s family (The blad’s) too, I graduated with her older sister (Alina). My parents were pretty close to her parents as well (mom is Krystyna).

    I may know pumpkins family better than he does.

  240. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Polish food very heavy, I would not eat it every day. Weight wise I am good. Same weight I was when I got married in my 20s.

  241. BRT says:

    with respect to this woman at Rutgers, this is only the crap you see on camera. It’s probably 10 times worse off camera.

  242. Juice Box says:

    Irish and Polish always get on well……both work hard, both come from families that know about hard times and struggle and the Catholic part helps too, and ofcoure the drinking. Lots of intermarrying etc. I even dated a couple of Polish girls from Passaic county back in the day.

    Ireland’s population these days is about 3% Polish Immigrants. Dublin, Cork, Limerick, and Galway and they are well respected in Ireland. They were welcomed from the onset with them joining the EU about 20 years ago there were maybe a few thosand Polish immigrants and now there are 120,000 in the last 20 years They were all given a cead mile failte which means a hundred thousand welcomes by the Irish people.

  243. Juice Box says:

    BRT – To the point about worse off camera. I am not paying for it. I will vote with my feet and my wallet.

  244. grim says:

    That was largely Clifton – Polish, Irish, Italian melting pot.

  245. Libturd says:

    I did Ancestry dot com. Got it for free from Borgata. Found out I was Eastern European Jewish. Biggest waste of time and money ever. I was really hoping I’d have some black or yellow in me so I could get some affirmative action.

  246. Juice Box says:

    My Aunt is turning 80, she now lives in condo now in Wallington overlooking the river. I should pay her a visit for her birthday. Perhaps I will swing by Pump’s house too with a case of TP for Mischief night…well because it’s a Jersey tradition..

    https://www.nj.com/news/2018/10/its_a_jersey_thing_mischief_night.html

  247. 3b says:

    Juice: Ireland and Poland were the only real Catholics left in Europe, now it’s only the Polish. They have integrated well into Ireland, and yes they were very welcomed. The Catholic and oppression connection as you note. My wife’s Cousin married a Polish guy, and he is a Gaelgori( fluent Irish speaker). He is part of a Polish Irish cultural association in Dublin. Poles and Irish wailing on fiddles and accordions playing traditional music. I know over the last few years a good number of Poles went back to Poland as the economy was doing well. But still a lot left in Ireland. I understand the Poles were not welcome in that big island next to Ireland, but that’s not surprising.

  248. 3b says:

    Juice You can stop at the Tatar Haus in Wallington for Polish cuisine and brews.

  249. Phoenix says:

    Lib,
    Isn’t it better to be purebred than a mutt? That’s what I have always heard from the breeders.

  250. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    Was talking about your “miserable” post. Sorry for any confusion.

  251. Phoenix says:

    She has a point. I work with young women every day and this is discussed regularly between them, they are bright, thoughtful, and educated, and fully aware of the situation boomer put them in….

    “But she did carve out time in the segment to discuss white people having children. She said: ‘White people’s birth rates are going down…because they literally cannot afford to put newer generations into the middle class.’

  252. Juice Box says:

    Loop Lounge is where I met all my Polish “alternatywka”..Fun times..The place closed a few years back it seems.

  253. grim says:

    Loop was always a good time. ChiFi would have loved the alt nights there.

  254. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    You’re giving her too much credit. She’s a simpleton and is only capable of simple observations.

    The parameters of the culture changed. The measure of success from Middle class shifted from having a family and a home to annual trips to Disney and an audi. Women as they become better educated have smaller families.

    The whole whiteness theme is an attack on capitalism with a racial front. Whether these people are even aware they are Marxists.

  255. 3b says:

    Phoenix: No worries. I may get in trouble for this, but miserable women are worse then men.

  256. 3b says:

    Phoenix:I thought it was the other way around on the pure breed/ mutt thing.

  257. Juice Box says:

    or Aldo’s in Lyndhurst….There is still one around believe it or not in Newark. QXT’s Night Club two blocks from the Prudential Center still there after all these years spinning the same music on Alternative night.

    https://www.nj.com/essex/2021/04/this-alternative-nj-nightclub-is-transforming-to-stay-afloat-after-covid-canceled-dancing.html

  258. grim says:

    Yeah know Aldos, but never ended up in QXTs, surprisingly.

  259. Juice Box says:

    Meta gets a new CEO.

    https://tinyurl.com/2mn3etdy

  260. BRT says:

    This is why I disagree with Lib’s take that this is not a big deal. You have a bunch of people walking around who literally think they are fighting racial injustice and they are so oblivious to logic that they literally spew racial hatred. Having them influence anyone that is still a developing mind is dangerous. This has no business being in school curriculum.

  261. chicagofinance says:

    At least this person is at a private institution, and not being paid by the public with our tax dollars.
    xxx

    A professor at New Jersey’s Rutgers University said she believes that white people are historically “committed to being villains” — and that her unfiltered solution to addressing white supremacy would be to “take them out.”

    Brittney Cooper, a professor of women’s and gender studies and Africana studies, addressed the history of colonialism during a discussion last month about critical race theory with the Root Institute.

    “I think that white people are committed to being villains in the aggregate,” Cooper said during the online conference.

    She said white people don’t trust society to redistribute power to diverse groups of people “because they are so corrupt.”

    “You know, their thinking is so murky and spiritually bankrupt about power that they … they fear this really existentially letting go of power because they cannot imagine another way to be,” she said.

    Cooper said there’s no “sufficient” solution to addressing white supremacy.

    “The thing I want to say to you is we got to take these motherf–kers out,” she said, though she quickly added that she “doesn’t believe in a project of violence.”

    “I truly don’t because I think in the end that our souls suffer from that and I do think that some of this is a spiritual condition,” Cooper said.

    Speaking about white supremacy, Cooper also added that she “fundamentally believes that things that have a beginning have an ending.”

    “All things that begin in white folks are not infinite and eternal, right? They ain’t gonna go on for infinity and infinity. And that’s super important to remember,” she said.

    She argued that white people are already “losing,” noting the rising cost of living and that demographics are shifting.

    “White people’s birth rates are going down … because they literally cannot afford to put their children, newer generations, into the middle class … It’s super perverse, and also they kind of deserve it,” she said.

    She said only future generations may see an end to the so-called culture war.

    “‘Kids actually can grasp critical race theory because the issue that the right has, is that critical race theory is just the proper teaching of American history,” she said.

  262. chicagofinance says:

    I thought Pumps had to use 24 and me?

    Juice Box says:
    October 29, 2021 at 8:45 am
    Be careful with the 23 and me folks.

  263. BRT says:

    Someone needs to have Dr. Fauci retake a course on evolution. He’s claiming unvaccinated are going to be the reason for a mutation that evades the spike. It’s akin to blaming people who haven’t taken antibiotics for antibiotic resistant bacteria. Vaccinated breakthrough infections are likely going to be a mutant that evades the spike. Those that are unvaccinated, then infected can produce mutations, but would be less likely to be a variation on the spike as the virus is not trying to evade antibodies coded for the spike. What’s actually going to cause that mutation is their inability to update the formulation on the vaccine (perhaps they are hoping it happens so they can argue for the 4th and 5th shots next year).

  264. Libturd says:

    Grim, you know I lived down in Athenia for almost two years after college. Those were the days of fake rail passes when NJ Transit was the shining star of all of the commuter rails in America. Now it’s ranked dead last. Nice job Murphy. You really straightened things out.

    It’s really incredible what an impact money has on elections. Murphy’s tenure was rife with corruption and scandal. Yet it was all swept under the rug. None of the issues were ever resolved nor was blame ever really assigned. Just a lot of money spent covering it up and painting a pretty face on Murphy.

    Comparing Murphy and Christie.

    CC got a property tax cap in place. Fixed the police binding arbitration. Got the teacher’s union to make major reform (especially in health benefits), limited superintendent salaries, got some control over the endless toll increases and tried really hard to work with NY to balance a lot of the unfairness taxation wize for NJ residents who worked in NY. He also poopooed the transit tunnel when budget overages would fall solely on the NJ taxpayer to pay for them. Even the major railroad advocates confirmed the project would more than likely double in cost by the time it was completed, potentially bankrupting NJ. At the end of the day, for the first time in the modern history of NJ, property tax increases slowed.

    CC negatives were not being harsh enough to those in his administration who performed bridgegate (without his knowledge). Using the Governor’s beach house when the public beaches were closed due to the Assembly not passing a budget. It was poor optics for sure, but again, at the end of the day, a real nothingburger. I would say his other two issues were using the little bit of federal federal money that he got for the tunnel to meet the shortfall in the DOT highway budget (which I had no issue with) and raising the gas tax to make NJDOT fully funded on the way out the door. He also spent too much time running for president instead of focusing on NJ. There was also the time he used a state helicopter to go to his son’s athletic event. But that one again is just optics.

    Murphy, ran on fixing NJ Transit, creating a state bank, making pot legal, fixing up the schools, making the pension whole, and a whole crapload of easy progressive changes that were costly to small businesses, like family leave, raising minimum wage and gender equity pay (all low hanging fruit). He also promised to restore the Millionaire tax. Outside of the low hanging fruit, he did not accomplish a single one of these promises. Not a one.

    NJ Transit is ranked in last place in the US still. No State Bank. Pot still is not legal in NJ, though it’s closer, no real change in the schools or their funding and he had to borrow 4 billion claiming there was a budget shortfall due to Covid, that became a surplus which he then used the loan to make the pension payment. And even with that, it was his only full payment into the pension. Like all of the others, he could not find anything to cut in the budget to make the payment with tax revenues. He had to borrow to pay it which is actually worse than finding a way to pay for it out of the budget. Binding police arbitration limit, one of the leading factors to our property tax increases, he let expire. Since the cap is still in place, schools and teachers will suffer as the police force will once again ask for and get 5% raises every year at the detriment of your municipal taxes.

    Then there are the Murphy scandals. The dangerous overcrowded train situation at the Meadowlands after the Super Bowl. Snowgate (when he should have salted/brined and declared a state of emergency), leaving thousands stuck in their cars overnight on state highways. Then oversalting and over emergency-declaring, every time there was a flurry, going forward. But these are small. There was the cover-up of the rape allegations between two of his campaign operatives and the corrective action plan was pathetic. Then there was the patronage mill of the School Development Authority that caused its early bankruptcy and which has not been replaced. Then there are two different groups that Murphy has worked with that are suing him for misogynistic practices and claim an environment rife with hostility. Heck, the rapist was not only hired to a position he was not qualified for, but he was not even investigated for the rape until the alleged rapist went public. And she isn’t one of the two people suing. You see, money covers it all up. And Murphy is the richest governor NJ has probably ever had. Not only does he spend a boatload of his own money, but his dark money PAC New Direction is also rife with controversy. But everything is covered up with paid for puff pieces. It’s good to be the king.

    And then there is the nursing home Covid death decision where he placed covid patients in nursing homes. We all know how that went.

    The truth is, you don’t ever know the truth about Murphy because he pays a lot of money to cover everything up. He is as dirty as the day is long. Probably the most damaging governor NJ has ever had. During his entire tenure, more people have moved out of NJ than any other state. And proudly declares more taxes as the solution. Yet no one could possibly afford to run against him.

    And now, we will surely be facing the real danger. A lame duck governor who has already been lame for four years due to his wealth. NJ is in so much trouble and Murphy is probably the weakest person to get us out of the hole.

    But money wins elections and few can compete.

  265. Libturd says:

    “Yeah know Aldos, but never ended up in QXTs, surprisingly.”

    We often frequented the LOOP Lounge and Lunch a GoGo. Also’s sponsored our radio station.

  266. BRT says:

    rofl chi

  267. Phoenix says:

    BidenIsTheGOAT

    “Women as they become better educated have smaller families.”

    Yeah, maybe, but some educated women want some children, and some want large families. But the world Boomer created makes it harder for them. Boomer wants a fortune for the house they paid pennies on. Boomer demanded more, but is leaving more and more debt for these young women without caring. Boomer made college more expensive (plenty of tricks there) and along with banks put the youth so far in debt having a child becomes a financial nightmare.

    Well, they could have a bunch out of wedlock and on welfare, but then Boomer would complain about that as well. Of course when Boomer doesn’t get the vax, then rings up a 1M+ hospital bill on Medicare, that’s perfectly fine, Boomer “paid in” (really a pittance is what Boomer paid.

    Getting the youth in debt in a country is not a good way to make it survive. Getting anyone in debt in a country isn’t good. But it is leverage and allows you to control your population.

  268. Juice Box says:

    re: “not a big deal”

    Not to say there are no issues, but if you do what I did and google the leadership of the local colleges you will see that these brand new departments for thought policing and planning which also have quite large payrolls at some schools are going to have to earn their keep which means they will be looking for trouble where none exists. They plan on purging those that they feel aren’t on their team.

    You only need to look at the Audit from Rutgers staff. They are planning for a great purge. Priority #1 is Diversity…that is it.

    https://diversity.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/2020-11/Rutgers_Equity%20Audit_091120_FINAL.pdf

  269. grim says:

    Loop was epic that it was such a diverse mix of people and personalities, alt nights were like the breakfast club, maybe with Allie Sheedy being a little bit more goth, and Judd Nelson in a mohawk.

  270. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    I respect your viewpoint and completely get your point. I suppose my bias comes from my ability to avoid indoctrination and I suppose I have this tendency to think that everyone can be like me. But, I don’t know many like me who have rejected formal religion, so I guess I’m unique in this way.

    I really prefer people think for themselves. There are few things more mentally satisfying than being able to converse critically on difficult topics. Then again, the majority tends to be apathetic when it comes to sh1t that matters. But strike up a water cooler conversation about last night’s Friend’s episode and you need earplugs to avoid it.

    I think it does need more hashing out.

  271. Juice Box says:

    re: “not a big deal”

    Not to say there are no issues, but if you do what I did and google the le*adership of the local colleges you will see that these brand new departments for thought pol*icing and planning which also have quite large payrol*ls at some schools are going to have to earn their keep which means they will be looking for trouble where none exists. They plan on purging those that they “feel” aren’t on their team, even if they have bent the knee.

    You only need to look at the Audit of Rutgers staff. They are planning for a great purge. Priority #1 is Diversity…that is it.

    https://tinyurl.com/hcj5fuww

    This will end up with very expensive lawsuits…There will be an overreach for sure.

  272. Phoenix says:

    JB,
    Don’t worry. NJ taxpayers have no problem paying the lawyer’s fees and settlements of the defective public employees they hire.

    Just add it to the deficit.

  273. Ex says:

    I’ve just been a part of one of the strangest family reunions ….ever.

    Dzień dobry

  274. Ex says:

    But, I don’t know many like me who have rejected formal religion, so I guess I’m unique in this way.

    I have avoided Temple for the past decade plus. Never felt better.

  275. BRT says:

    Lib, you are right. People that are immune to group think are fine. But most of humanity isn’t. And what I’m finding more than ever is those that reject religion, they still try to find some other thought control mechanism to replace that religion. Many are finding it in wokeness and politically biased “science” like climate doomers. In any case, religions forbit disbelief and questioning the narrative. These other institutions do the same, so they are functioning as their religion.

  276. Juice Box says:

    No worries folks once Zuck sucks us all into the Metaverse you can be whatever you want. Take ESSEX for example in the Metaverse he could be a Korean girl playing funk on a guitar, the possibilities are endless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8an1QVTm8_I

    MVRS the new stock symbol starts trading on Dec. 1 so BUY BUY BUY

  277. Fast Eddie says:

    That was largely Clifton – Polish, Irish, Italian melting pot.

    Productive society, community events, family gathering with great food, G0d-fearing, American-loving folks that helped neighbors in a flash… too bad it’s being eroded by a selfish, collective movement equipped with finger pointing and blame.

    I was glad to live in Clifton for over a decade. I got a wonderful dose of the culture of the town. It was a glorious smaller city and I enjoyed it so much… Punk Bagel really early on Sunday morning, Marios for pizza, a few nights at Dingbatz where I could hear for a few days and a visit to the Loop as well! Convenient too… five major highways and a train with a parking lot actually big enough to find a spot. My dentist is still there and I still make the trip.

  278. Fast Eddie says:

    3b,

    The menu for that Polish restaurant in Wallington looks awesome!

  279. 3b says:

    Feast: The food is fantastic! Very heavy, but delicious! Nice Polish brews too! No American beer. Nice family as well. It’s worth the trip.

  280. Fast Eddie says:

    I still want to know who that punk chick was that worked at Punk Bagel sporadically. She was in full punk regalia when I walked in one Sunday morning. I could tell she was working on little to no sleep but still, so pretty. I made a quip asking her about Saturday night “events” or something along those lines and she burst into this incredible smile. I think I melted when she did.

  281. 3b says:

    Any thoughts on getting rid of an old couch besides paying got junk 200.00 bucks? Town only takes appliances. New couch delivered, but they don’t take old one. I did pay them to at least take it out and put on curb.

  282. Juice Box says:

    3B – Man up already..Sawzall and garbage bags.. Be sure to wear safety goggles and gloves and play some good tunes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPNHhb0Pud8

  283. SmallGovConservative says:

    Lots of piling on dear old RU, so I need to jump in. No disagreement that it’s a cesspool of useless majors and dangerously woke ‘professors’, and a bloated bureaucracy larded with underworked and overpaid administrators. But so are all of the other hot schools in the northeast and elsewhere that NJ parents love to send their ‘too good for RU’ kids to. Do you really think you’re going to get something else by paying an extra 10-20k per year to send your kid to an NYU, Boston U or Maryland. Beyond that, RU is absolutely fine for the hard sciences; I know because I’ve interviewed CS majors there, as well as Penn St, Lehigh, MIT, Carengie, Hopkins, Cornell, etc. If your kid is MIT, Ivy quality, you’d be crazy to consider RU, but if your kid is Penn St, Pitt, Maryland quality, RU is every bit as good — just ask all of the Indian parents sending their smart, but not quite Ivy, kids there to get CS degrees.

    As for football, need to respond to Juice’s cheap (and wrong) shot. I’ve never been a fan of taking pot shots at anyone when they’re down; those that do inevitably disappear when things change. Rather than just listing scores Juice, some context would have provided a better picture. Three of RU’s losses are to Ohio St, Michigan and Michigan State — all currently in the Top 10. And Illinois just beat Penn St. I’m going to assume you made an honest mistake in saying they’re winless, but I know that people who like to take pot shots often fabricate/exaggerate to try to make a point.

  284. Bystander says:

    “So Pumps last name is Stardust?”

    Funny, my first thought was the dwarfish dim-witted cartoon character.

    Ed,

    G0d-fearing? You are too much. Estimated 300,000 kids molested by Catholic priests in France over 70 year period. I think that part did not help anyone.

    Bang up job by Irish on this advice. I guess we thought it was a good thing:

    “Wine is a mocker, and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.”—Proverbs 20:1”

  285. 3b says:

    Juice: Been out in Brigadoon too long, getting lazy. I think I will wait for my Croatian neighbor to ask , and then he will do it. He loves this kind of stuff! And he has all the tools too.

  286. 3b says:

    Bystander: Prior to the famine the Irish were pretty laid back in
    Many respects to Catholicism, and lots of pre Christian traditions incorporated in the Irish version of Catholicism at that time. After famine when rural society was pretty much broken the Church stepped in and imposes a strict Rome based version of Catholicism combined with strict Victorian norms adopted from the big island next door. It never fit on the Irish mindset, and caused a lot of issues. My wife’s cousin did his PhD on the subject. It was quite quite interesting.

  287. Ex says:

    Family of mentally disabled man fatally shot by off-duty officer in Costco awarded $17M
    © Associated Press/Reed Saxon
    The family of a mentally disabled man who was fatally shot by an off-duty Los Angeles police officer in a Costco in 2019 was awarded $17 million in damages Wednesday.

    The verdict came a day after U.S. District Judge Jesus Bernal found that Salvador Sanchez used excessive force when he killed 32-year-old Kenneth French, the Los Angeles Times reported.

    Bernal ruled Tuesday that the evidence was blatant enough that the jury did not need to consider the question, though jurors were asked to decide whether Sanchez was serving in his role as a Los Angeles Police Department officer when he fired at the French family, which they unanimously decided he was.

  288. Juice Box says:

    Cheap? I said they were 3-4 in the Big 10, the losses
    Are where it counts to advance. Now I will bet $200 against them , we’ll just because.My brother is an Alumni I have been to many great frat parties at RU.Hope they don’t ruin all the fun.

  289. No One says:

    Schools and other organizations in the last few years have hired and installed new departments and newly appointed “Director of Diversity and Equity”. Virtually every one of them are radical bigoted anti-white racists, collectivists, and anti-capitalists who will be full time agitators for discriminating in favor or against one group over another, and who will be building empires within and outside of their departments, pushing to hire people who think like them and pushing to fire people who don’t. Pretty soon they will be running every organization that allows them to plant their people everywhere. And of course they will be controlling the educational agenda for the students. This is how the Red Guard of China suddenly terrorized the country during their “Cultural Revolution.”

  290. Bystander says:

    3b,

    As they say “never let a good crisis go to waste” and I’m sure the Catholic church used the famine to strike fear and push God’s wrath for their behavior. It is why I have no use for religion any further. My mother was sent to Irish convent at 14 but not a fit but she had too big a mouth. Thankfully, she raised us to question it all and routinely put nuns and priests, even bishops in their place. God-fearing is not a good quality..questioning without dismissing is much better.

  291. Bystander says:

    SmallGov = making excuses for R lies and conspiracies since 1979 and now making excuses for RU football since 1869. Picking on RU, since it has been down its entire history, is not a “pot-shot”.

  292. 3b says:

    Bystander: I don’t disagree, just providing some historical context as to how it came to be. My Father told us when we were older the Church ruled with an iron hand, and people feared them. Between their big neighbor next door and the Church, it really did a number on the country psychologically.

  293. Libturd says:

    RU will never have a strong football program because it’s the ONLY state university that is frowned upon by local athletes. If you grow up in Ohio and play football, you aspire to play for Ohio State. If you grow up in Michigan, you go to Michigan or Michigan State to play Football. If you grow up in NJ to play football, you aspire to go to Ohio, Michigan or Michigan State. It’s a real shame, but 5 star recruits DON’T GO TO RUTGERS, which puts the team at a huge disadvantage. And it’s a shame, because the 3 and 4 star recruits that do often end up in the NFL. As a matter of fact, Rutgers is one of the most prolific colleges for NFL recruitment. Why? Because it usually ranks right behind Stanford for student athlete achievement. The NFL knows a smart athlete is often more valuable than just muscle. Especially when it stays out of controversy.

    Most of the best players on Rutgers have been out-of-state recruits over the years. This is not the case at any other state college.

    It also doesn’t help that NJ is impossibly cheap when it comes to willingness to pay for a top coach (which is what brings the best recruits if you have a losing history). I think all of these guys are overpaid, but Shiano is paid the 34th most, and that’s about where their team finishes in a good year.

  294. No One says:

    Murphy did get his millionaires tax. His latest bracket creep gave me just the incentive I needed to become a Floridian.
    “New Jersey enacted its first so-called millionaires’ tax in 2004, creating an 8.97 percent top rate on income over $500,000. In 2009 it raised the top rate to 10.75 percent for one year. New Jersey restored the 10.75 percent top rate in 2018, but only on income above $5 million. Under the new law [applying to 2021], that rate will apply to income above $1 million.”

  295. D-FENS says:

    Haven’t been posting or reading here for a while. Got a new job with a lot less goof off time. Anyway, thought you eggheads might appreciate this. This guy has a logistics startup and went down to Long Beach to figure out the supply chain issue for himself. He tweeted about it and Newsom actually picked up the phone and called the guy.
    At least somebody is working on it.

    https://news.yahoo.com/real-story-behind-tech-founders-225037288.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

    Then Gov. Gavin Newsom called him up.

    “He said a bunch of people sent him my tweetstorm — he was getting hit with it left and right — so he felt obligated to get in touch,” Petersen said. He walked the governor through the thread, and explained his policy pitch.

    He had tweeted five concrete recommendations: end zoning restrictions on how high containers can stack in Long Beach and Los Angeles, call in the National Guard’s spare truck chassis, make a temporary 500-acre-or-larger storage yard within 100 miles of the port, force the railroads to run shuttles to this new yard, and call on a fleet of smaller boats to clear containers off the docks.

    “I let him know I’m here as a resource, I’m not an activist, I’m not trying to be a pain in his ass,” Petersen added. “I think it’s a feature that government moves slowly; you don’t want them to do rash things with taxpayer money. But it’s a problem in the middle of a crisis.”

    In Long Beach itself, the message came through loud and clear. Friends had tagged Mayor Robert Garcia on the thread, and he forwarded it to his staff. By the end of the day, the city lifted the restriction on stacking the 9-foot-tall containers only two high, and now capped it at four.

    “Within a few hours we had all decided that we had to make this change immediately,” Garcia said. The relaxed rules are in effect for 90 days, and only apply to businesses that were already zoned for storing containers.

    “If you are in a neighborhood, you don’t want to look out your front yard and see five- or six-stacked-high cargo containers. It is a blight and environmental justice issue, no question there,” Garcia said. But with the holiday season and piles of dockside containers looming large, he thought it was worth a shot.

  296. Trick says:

    Forgot about the loop, hangouts while at Montclair , Tierney’s, the torn hat, VI, older friend dragged us to the great notch on occasion, and for a big mug if your classes we over early Alexus.

  297. SmallGovConservative says:

    Bystander says:
    October 29, 2021 at 1:44 pm

    “making excuses for R lies and conspiracies since 1979” — Huh?

    “…Picking on RU, since it has been down its entire history…” — 10 bowl games in 11 years between 2005 and 2014, culminating in an invite to the Big 10 conference! Stick to what you know — whining!

    https://businessofcollegesports.com/football/maryland-and-rutgers-move-to-the-big-ten-conference/

  298. grim says:

    Tierneys was great for a burger, VI for bring-your-own-mug night (I always had a 1 liter graduated cylinder I stole from Chem lab).

  299. grim says:

    Nah, pumps dad was a good guy. Like lots of others at that time, he never bothered to finish his citizenship paperwork. Back then it wasn’t as big a deal. He got shafted really, Uncle Sam played the deport card.

  300. Trick says:

    VI was our go to mostly to shot pool and bring your own, big devils hangout . Guerin who was dating the bartender(now his wife) and Rolston were there a lot. We went the day after the won the second cup and half the team was there. Did shots with Randy McKay and others. Did realize how short Chris Terreri really was until then.

  301. Juice Box says:

    There is some good news on that front. Biden plans to make illegal entry or re-entry a misdemeanor, so people can come and go across the southern border and no jail time.

    Pumps might also qualify as “separated” under the new policies. He could hire la lawyer and sue for millions dollar payout in damages.

    I am not kidding either..if this goes through anyone who was separated will sue.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-administration-in-talks-to-pay-hundreds-of-millions-to-immigrant-families-separated-at-border-11635447591?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=43912

  302. D-FENS says:

    I think Balbi/Sanico charged me $65 for a sofabed and $35 for a loveseat

    I pay for my trash service from them though…so not sure what they charge non-paying customers.

    3b says:
    October 29, 2021 at 12:39 pm
    Any thoughts on getting rid of an old couch besides paying got junk 200.00 bucks? Town only takes appliances. New couch delivered, but they don’t take old one. I did pay them to at least take it out and put on curb.

  303. Grim says:

    2000 season

  304. Juice Box says:

    BTW – Down here sunny Monmouth county on bulk pickup day (every two weeks) they will take the furniture no questions asked. Our recycling center takes everything else glass ,metals, Lead Acid Batteries, Electronics (TVs old boom boxes, etc), plastics like toys, Motor Oil, Tires, Antifreeze, Vegetable Cooking Oil , and even Styrofoam. You simply drop it off. You can also drop off trees, branches leaves etc to be mulched or composted.

    Anything they won’t take there is a dump not far that will. I rarely see those expensive Junkers around here.

  305. Bystander says:

    SmallGov,

    Ahh, yes the 6-7 Weedeater bowl season. Hah, not surprising. You polish knob of those with low achievements as “great” achievements. Look at the Orange dope you support. It all makes sense.

  306. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Eric and Chris-

    We go way back, like you said, sjk. Their father was also my soccer coach for years. Father is a stand up guy. Great family. Chris put them through hell during his rebel stage. Used to hang out with him all the time. I graduated with Eric’s wife. She was always really nice from what i can remember in high school.

    Ed al-

    I never hung out with them, but was friendly with them. They were cool dudes. Athenia had a lot of fun crazy kids. Ton of energy growing up there. Now that I look back, Clifton really was a gem. Ton of good memories.

    DNA Test- I actually did AncestryDNA. Also had my wife and daughter do it. It’s worth it. I thought I was 100% polish. I’m 61% Eastern European (polish, Czech, Slovakia, and Lithuanian), 33% baltic, and 6% Swedish and Denmark.

    It’s wild because my daughter is 78% Eastern European, 14% baltics, and 8% germanic region. So I think it’s worth the risk to the DNA test. I didn’t expect the results.

  307. Grim says:

    Curtis Sliwa gets hit by a cab, thrown 6 feet into the air, bleeding, gets up off the road and does a radio interview.

  308. Juice Box says:

    local Paterson boy Fetty Wap goes down.

    Fetty Wap allegedly was a “kilogram-level redistributor” for the trafficking organization as the drugs were obtained on the West Coast and brought back to the New Jersey region, according to the indictment.

    https://www.nj.com/news/2021/10/rap-star-fetty-wap-nj-correctional-officer-charged-in-massive-drug-distribution-ring-takedown.html

  309. grim says:

    Was in Eric’s wedding, he was in mine. My wife was Emily’s best friend. We visited them down in San Antonio a few times. Hung out with Emily on LBI this past summer. Eric’s dad is cool, also good friends with my parents.

    I’d thought you were maybe related to Eric or the Drelichs, etc, that whole crew.

  310. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I spoke to my mother and this is wild…I vaguely remember going by your parents house when it was just built. She told me where you lived and now I realize who you are. Now I remember your parents, like you said, run into each other at random events.

    Yup, that’s my sister-in-law’s family.

    Lol this is wild how we have been on this blog for this long and only now find all this out.

    grim says:
    October 29, 2021 at 9:41 am
    And yes, I totally know your mom. We did talk at the picnic. She would know me as Jimmy B and my Brother/Sister Johnny and Christine. I vaguely remember you and your brother, we did occasionally cross paths when we were really young. I know your brother’s wife’s family (The blad’s) too, I graduated with her older sister (Alina). My parents were pretty close to her parents as well (mom is Krystyna).

    I may know pumpkins family better than he does.

  311. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I was good friends with rest of their family also. The niz’s and bandur. So many good memories with these families growing up. Parents were all friends. Relationships that came about from sjk and olympic soccer club.

    grim says:
    October 29, 2021 at 5:14 pm
    Was in Eric’s wedding, he was in mine. My wife was Emily’s best friend. We visited them down in San Antonio a few times. Hung out with Emily on LBI this past summer. Eric’s dad is cool, also good friends with my parents.

  312. grim says:

    You woulda knew Chris Bryncz too.

  313. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You guys remember degraf dairies with the cow on top of the building? Used to always go there after playing at sperling park.

  314. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Of course…CB is hilarious!! Funny memories of him when we were kids.

  315. grim says:

    You actually missed epic Athena, I was just at the tail end of it.

    We’d play manhunt in Sperling park with 20 or 30 kids, roving gangs of bmx bikes.

    You ever ride the BMX track behind the Jewish Y? We’d set pallets on fire and jump them. Pretty sure there were no laws back then.

  316. Old realtor says:

    Does anyone believe anything Sliwa says? Guy is a proven liar and brazen publicity hound. The Republican party in NYC is in a sad place.

  317. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I used to hear crazy stories of the previous generations.

    Manhunt with lots of kids= some of the best nights of my childhood. The crazy stuff we would do when playing manhunt. Surprised we didn’t get hurt more than we did.

    grim says:
    October 29, 2021 at 5:23 pm
    You actually missed epic Athena, I was just at the tail end of it.

    We’d play manhunt in Sperling park with 20 or 30 kids, roving gangs of bmx bikes.

  318. grim says:

    Surprised nobody got shot, we played 1 block around the park, including the tracks, and including people’s yards, scoreboard was home base. It was also a time when people didn’t care about kids running through their backyards.

  319. Juice Box says:

    Epic tweet from Sliwa.

    “Don’t worry, everyone. The taxi is okay”

  320. chicagofinance says:

    Same way with a girl working at a breakfast place hole in the wall near Post Office Square in Boston. Irish girl with perfect curls and deep red auburn hair….. that was enough, but when she opened her mouth to take my order, I almost fell over…. I ate more bacon egg sandwiches in my life in that stint…..

    Fast Eddie says:
    October 29, 2021 at 12:34 pm
    I still want to know who that punk chick was that worked at Punk Bagel sporadically. She was in full punk regalia when I walked in one Sunday morning. I could tell she was working on little to no sleep but still, so pretty. I made a quip asking her about Saturday night “events” or something along those lines and she burst into this incredible smile. I think I melted when she did.

  321. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Article is on point.

    “Describe an everyday person who would be in the 9.9%

    If you’re a part of the 9.9%, culturally and economically, you had your kids in a thoughtful or planned way and you take for granted that they will go to a college and they will go to the best college they can get into.

    If you own a home or aspire to own a home in a respectable ZIP code where other people have these same attitudes and values, you’re in that percentage.

    If you can look forward to a retirement where you won’t be thinking excessively about money, but at the same time will be able to live in a metropolitan area with lots of cultural benefits […] If you think about retirement that way as opposed to something that’s a little iffy or something involving living in a cheap place, that will make you a member of the 9.9%.”

    https://grow.acorns.com/the-semi-rich-americans-who-may-not-feel-wealthy/?utm_content=Main&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR24yedIjcKLk0C3WU4mumgU_QvyC8PfhNgvW3pnS_Y6AL-X8fsMGxjZ7K0#Echobox=1635437234

  322. The Great Pumpkin says:

    True story. Neighbors would help neighbors no questions asked. I’m still that type of guy, and that’s all you can control.

    Fast Eddie says:
    October 29, 2021 at 12:24 pm
    That was largely Clifton – Polish, Irish, Italian melting pot.

    Productive society, community events, family gathering with great food, G0d-fearing, American-loving folks that helped neighbors in a flash… too bad it’s being eroded by a selfish, collective movement equipped with finger pointing and blame.

    I was glad to live in Clifton for over a decade. I got a wonderful dose of the culture of the town. It was a glorious smaller city and I enjoyed it so much… Punk Bagel really early on Sunday morning, Marios for pizza, a few nights at Dingbatz where I could hear for a few days and a visit to the Loop as well! Convenient too… five major highways and a train with a parking lot actually big enough to find a spot. My dentist is still there and I still make the trip.

  323. Juice Box says:

    Growing up we had the most epic of Mischief Nights, hundreds of kids from 6th to 12th grade would converge at the main park in town. There were some older kids with a Van, they would roll up like the A-Team open the door and spray us with those old fashioned pump up fire extinguishers full of goop and toss eggs then drive away.

    Cops would roll up at the park and we would immediately egg, shaving cream and toilet paper the cop cars, and the cops did not care as long as we we weren’t damaging peoples homes too much. It did get out of control one year, kids were traipsing thru peoples yards and so the Cops came in with a Fire Dept pumper to spray us all down to disperse.

    I will see if I can find the old new article as it made the Bergen Record that year…

  324. chicagofinance says:

    Middletown Recycling is a really good place…. so convenient… scale helps…. I missed the heck out of after moving to CN.

    Juice Box says:
    October 29, 2021 at 4:14 pm
    BTW – Down here sunny Monmouth county on bulk pickup day (every two weeks) they will take the furniture no questions asked. Our recycling center takes everything else glass ,metals, Lead Acid Batteries, Electronics (TVs old boom boxes, etc), plastics like toys, Motor Oil, Tires, Antifreeze, Vegetable Cooking Oil , and even Styrofoam. You simply drop it off. You can also drop off trees, branches leaves etc to be mulched or composted.

    Anything they won’t take there is a dump not far that will. I rarely see those expensive Junkers around here.

  325. Juice Box says:

    re: “Neighbors would help neighbors no questions asked”

    My cousin was attacked in our walk up building in the Bronx. She was an 8th grader in Catholic school and was followed home into the building. An older neighbor who was home heard her screams and immediately went to work on the perp. He beat the guy with a kitchen pot and saved her. This was the Bronx is burning days and within a few short years everyone left the old neighborhood to the burbs or moved up to Woodlawn and Yonkers. I have old movies of when we were kids with parents pushing baby carriages and kids playing in the nice park. It really is amazing how so many great neighborhoods turned to crap due to mostly drugs whether it be heroin in the 1970s and later crack in the 1980s.

  326. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Some of you are responsible for this. You were the seeds, this is the plant.

    “MONTCLAIR, NJ — Montclair State University has been named one of the best universities in the world, according to a new ranking by U.S. News & World Report”

    https://patch.com/new-jersey/wayne/s/hwa96/montclair-state-among-best-universities-in-the-world-u-s-news?utm_source=nearby-news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert

  327. The Great Pumpkin says:

    80’s 90’s…good luck if you came into athenia with your car. I feel bad now, but damn it was fun. Kids are angels in that aspect today.

    Juice Box says:
    October 29, 2021 at 6:22 pm
    Growing up we had the most epic of Mischief Nights, hundreds of kids from 6th to 12th grade would converge at the main park in town. There were some older kids with a Van, they would roll up like the A-Team open the door and spray us with those old fashioned pump up fire extinguishers full of goop and toss eggs then drive away.

  328. The Great Pumpkin says:

    4th of july….all you would hear is cherry bombs and m80’s echoing through the sewers…kids throwing them down sewers. NYC used to supply endless amounts of high powered fire works.

  329. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ziggie. My dad was one cool dude. Lost his mind at one point (no one is perfect), but he is the most honest individual I know. You won’t hear that in the newspapers…white dude gets deported for a crime in the 1980’s. Guy totally redeemed himself and his reward was a one way ticket to poland. Where is my family’s severance package for this mishandling (just trying to make a point that it happens to white immigrants). You just don’t hear about it. Prob because we just accept it, and move on. These other people cry and cry.

    Try to instill that in my daughter’s mind…life is not fair, so don’t expect it to be.

  330. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I wanted to get a remote control car. My dad said screw the toys r us car, he bought me the clod buster. Lol

    Introduced me to great music. He was americanized. So was listening to zeppelin, doors, creedence clearwater revival.

  331. Juice Box says:

    Goota say it though, I really do….. I really quite can’t understand why. Here we have men blogging and commenting. Well both of them are Born and Raised in Clifton so I just don’t understand? We just spent a few years watching you two blogging and commenting back and forth and well both of you live in Wayne! For Years now nearly a decade and both were raised in Clifton as Catholics but just never realized they had kinship and were part of the same clan and are actually related?

    Perhaps just perhaps those Polish jokes are true?

    And before you ban me I am working on a comedy routine. I plan on leaving out polish jokes and focus on Irish Jokes for ya see Paddy is the same way. He could sleep with his cousin and not even realize it happened in his Aunt’s house!!!

  332. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    Heard endless polish jokes growing up. Thick skin, I laugh at it.

    Almost every girl I dated was Italian. Feisty. Not easy to deal with. Their family members always loved busting my chops with polish jokes. Lol

  333. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Joey’s!!! Speaking of Italians. Premier guido club in north jersey back in the day.

  334. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So true. Try to explain this to my wife with cash in the bank…

    “8.8% of Americans are now millionaires thanks to the Fed.

    $5M is the new $1M.

    Cash poor, asset rich is the key to keep up.”

    https://twitter.com/backpackerfi/status/1454210835325194242?s=21

  335. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Didn’t do my DD, but trust this account. Short term play for the traders?

    “Check out MNDY”

    https://twitter.com/mayhem4markets/status/1454043419580542981?s=21

  336. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    Hedge your position on WFH. Think what you want, but don’t bet on it. I see too much strength in commercial real estate.

    “WeWork gets $150 million investment from real estate services firm Cushman & Wakefield”

    https://apple.news/AEcWQhdSzRr-rAFKGeIxq9A

  337. Juice Box says:

    Pumps yes yes those Italian girls…Not Clifton but a Nutley story for ya from back in the day.. We went to pick up some dates, nice Italian girls from Nutley. We were headed into the city on a Saturday night a bunch of 18 year olds to party at a club, just a bunch of young guys and girls in an old large Cadillac. When we picked up the girls from Nutley they asked if we could head down the highway to Newark to the old neighborhood to pick up a friend “Jenny from the Block”. We obliged, not knowing what was ahead. As soon as we arrive in Newark, we parked the Cadillac across from the local park. One of the girls said don’t get out of the car and went in the apartment building to retrieve Jenny. Well the small park was dark and had an old playground and the local boys were there drinking etc. Seems they were not too happy with our arrival, one tossed beer bottle at the Cadillac and it smashed on the trunk, before we knew it we were were driving off as the local boys were chasing and tossing beer bottles left and right. The girls however were undeterred by their old neighborhood suitors, they ran down the street in heels to meet up and we drove off and had a great night of dancing in NYC. We later had to drop Jenny off too, but by 5 am those kids were not waiting around. I think it was sunrise we left Nutley and we were finally headed home on a Sunday morning. Needless to say Church was not on the schedule that day.

  338. 3b says:

    Pumps:I won’t argue with you it’s simply exhausting. Posting an article about we work means absolutely nothing. Wait until you see what’s coming next year. There is no going back, much as you want it to for your own personal reasons. And let’s leave it there.

  339. 3b says:

    Juice : That is absolutely outrageous! 45k a person! You knowingly break the law and you will be compensated at 45k a person. What a slap in the face to all Americans, especially the Mullins that are struggling! And paid for by the American taxpayers. If this happens, the Dems will get slaughtered in the mid-terms.

  340. 3b says:

    DFens: Thanks for the tip I will call them.

  341. Ex says:

    I am still waiting for Short Bus Eddie to
    Teach his first kindergarten class. What’s the first lesson?

  342. Juice Box says:

    3b – You think this won’t happen? There is nothing to prevent it. It’s called capture, as in regulatory capture, they are gonna settle the claims. $450,000 BTW not $45k. It will include lawyer fees too and so much more once legislation comes.

    I am not kidding about the southern border folks a misdemeanor for crossing is in play. There is another more massive caravan headed north right now. They are carrying a large wooden cross too..

    I wish more people paid attention to what is happening in DC, outside the theatrics of a few politicians who get on twitter, but alas it’s all Real Housewives and house flipping shows and KAREN memes.

  343. 3b says:

    Juice: Sorry 450k it’s staggering!! How can anyone defend this!! Come in illegally and become a millionaire!

  344. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Amen, juice. 450k is a kick in the gut of every American. My dad came here at 4 in the 60’s, and you cut off access to his family in the 2010’s under obama. I don’t hate Obama for it. It is what it is.

  345. Juice Box says:

    3b – I would say however say we should do more to export democracy and capitalism south as several million people fleeing annually their homelands across our borders is not a solution to the problem there. Our current VP was tasked with doing just that, dealing with those countries with an exodus and offering them lots of money from our coffers as well as jobs, but she has balked and spends more time with vaccine photo ops.

    So take the other side, we should help and I agree we should, but it actually might be cheaper to export our democracy and capitalism here in our hemisphere rather than promising my children to defend and indefensible Taiwan.

    I am not kidding about leaving BTW. Some hoard money and gold and bitcoin. I would say citizenship elsewhere is priceless.

  346. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Btw, we were lawyered up for my dad. Law is too strong. I understand it, i just don’t agree with the outcome. He didn’t commit a crime for two decades, but doesn’t matter. Guy barely lived in poland, but was thrown to the wolves.

  347. 3b says:

    Juice: I don’t know what the solution is for countries south of the border. Those countries have been unstable since independence. Democracy won’t solve the problem either. If this 450k thing goes through there really will be civil unrest in this country, I can’t believe the Dems want to commit suicide with this madness!

  348. Juice Box says:

    3B – I defer to old faithful….but again I will say we will all be dead before the cows come home or pray that we are in fact dead.

    https://www.usdebtclock.org/

  349. SmallGovConservative says:

    3b says:
    October 29, 2021 at 8:17 pm
    “If this [Biden’s billion dollar gift to illegals and their lawyers] happens, the Dems will get slaughtered in the mid-terms.”

    Sure hope that’s the case, but it won’t move the needle for the typical Dem stooge voter. Biden will simply blame T and say he had no choice. Do you really think this latest example of Dem malfeasance will cause flunkies like Ex, Flab, or Bi to finally see the light?

  350. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Nailed it. We can agree on this.

    3b says:
    October 29, 2021 at 8:56 pm
    Juice: I don’t know what the solution is for countries south of the border. Those countries have been unstable since independence. Democracy won’t solve the problem either. If this 450k thing goes through there really will be civil unrest in this country, I can’t believe the Dems want to commit suicide with this madness!

  351. BRT says:

    Pumps, you should just sneak him back in. Fly him to Mexico and pick him up in Texas. My neighbor was from Italy. His brother got deported 3 times. He snuck back in each time.

  352. 3b says:

    Small: I don’t see how any one can condone this!

  353. BRT says:

    lol so, I actually know one of those people that pulled the fake kkk student in front of the virginia bus today.

  354. Juice box says:

    Biden gave the Pope a coin today emblazoned with the Delaware mIlitary JAG core his son served in. JAG don’t shoot guns at anybody, their time was spent prosecuting people that do.

    POpe played along even Biden’s joke about being Irish and never taking a drink……Pope does not need a Translator that was his joke on sleepy joe….

  355. Fabius Maximus says:

    “Teach his first kindergarten class. What’s the first lesson?”

    What Color are your crayons!

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