What does Sandy mean for NJ real estate?

From Bloomberg:

Sandy Batters New Jersey’s Struggling Housing Market

Cody Buck rebuilt his home in Sayreville, New Jersey, after Hurricane Irene knocked it down last year. Yesterday, Buck showed New Jersey Governor Chris Christie how superstorm Sandy destroyed the house again.

“I think, governor, we need to level the whole neighborhood, give everybody a check and get out of here,” Buck said, according to a pool report by journalists covering Christie’s tour of the hurricane-racked state.

Sandy’s brutal arrival Oct. 29 was the latest blow to homeowners in New Jersey, where foreclosures continued to rise and real estate prices to fall after most of the U.S. housing market began to recover last year. The Atlantic storm claimed eight lives in New Jersey and drove 6,329 people to shelters. About 2.05 million residences and businesses, more than half of those in the state, were still without power at 2 p.m., according to the U.S. Energy Department.

“New Jersey was a laggard before the storm even came along and the storm won’t help,” Sam Khater, deputy chief economist for CoreLogic Inc., a real-estate information service, said from his office in Tysons Corner, Virginia.

An estimated 75,300 homes valued at $22.6 billion along the New Jersey coast were in Sandy’s path, according to an Oct. 29 CoreLogic report. That included more than 20,000 properties worth $4.8 billion in the Atlantic City area, where Sandy destroyed part of the boardwalk and amusement rides.

Infrastructure projects can give a shot in the arm to disaster zones, such as New Orleans, where the Army Corps of Engineers spent $14.5 billion on new levees after Hurricane Katrina overwhelmed the area’s storm defenses in 2005.

Storms also force stricter building codes, which raise property values, said Don Epley, director of the Center for Real Estate Studies at the University of South Alabama in Mobile.

“Some of the locals here joke that we need a good hurricane every few years,” Epley said in a telephone interview. “It cleans out the old stuff.”

Eqecat Inc., a provider of catastrophic risk models, doubled its previous damage estimate to as much as $50 billion in total property losses, with $10 billion to $20 billion of that covered by insurance, the company said today.

Reis Inc. (REIS), a real estate research firm, gave a preliminary estimate of $30 billion to $40 billion in total damage from Sandy. The New York-based company valued reconstruction efforts at $25 billion to $30 billion in its Oct. 30 calculation. That would result in a $10 billion to $15 billion economic loss, Reis said.

Storms with the force of Sandy have the power to reshape real estate for years, Eqecat President Bill Keogh said yesterday in a telephone interview from his vacation home in Litchfield, Connecticut, where he sought refuge after the power went out in his Hackensack, New Jersey, office. Damaged homes owned by delinquent borrowers may cause lingering blight if neither the owner nor the lender has resources for repairs, he said.

“It could also improve the value of some homes,” Keogh said. “The house that used to be two blocks from the water is now on the beach.”

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212 Responses to What does Sandy mean for NJ real estate?

  1. Confused in NJ says:

    Noreaster forecast for Wednesday.

  2. grim says:

    Lows for the next 3 nights are going to make for some pretty cold evenings for those without power (or a generator). Up here we’re looking at 34 tonight, 30 on Sunday night, and 28 on Monday night.

  3. grim says:

    For those with JCP&L that are still out, here is the estimated number of repairs by town for the next few days:


  4. Nomad says:

    $35 showers and $5 to charge your phone.

    Any experts in the area of gasoline distribution think by Monday or Tuesday the lines and shortages will ease or is it more of the same with tensions ever increasing?


  5. grim says:

    I think the even/odd rationing is going to make the situation worse, as folks will get in line to top off, even if they don’t really need gas, as they won’t want to risk getting caught short on an off-day.

    I believe power companies are now giving preference to gas stations without power.

  6. Comrade Nom Deplume in well-defended PA says:

    [4] nomad

    I’m no expert but I know a bit about this industry and transportation in general. I think a lot depends on when power is restored to these stations and to the facilities that supply them. I know that stations get gasoline deliveries every 2-3 days if they are moderately busy (and there is a very thin margin normally on gasoline so volume is important). There are only so many tank farms and trucking gas to stations is time-consuming if gas is being trucked from Philadelphia instead of Linden. So until all of the infrastructure comes back on line, this situation won’t ease substantially in affected areas. Rather, there will be some incremental easing as more people are able to tank up in unaffected areas. For example, those that can will drive to PA, buy gas cans at Wal-Mart or Lowes, and buy 50 gallons of gas, but that won’t account for many of the drivers. Another important and overlooked factor is when NJT and Path are up and running as this is keeping a lot of people in their cars. This is also incremental and hard to quantify. Finally, when power and resupply is restored to local distribution outlets (e.g., stores), people won’t have to drive so far to obtain essentials.

    (FWIW, the board lefties probably snicker a bit at my comments on prepping and nompounds, and I am happy I did not have to rely on what little prepping I’ve done, but if need be, I would have been in a good position to ride this thing out. And next time, I will be in a better position)

  7. Comrade Nom Deplume in well-defended PA says:

    [5] grim,

    One has to look hard for the silver lining, but a benefit of any disaster is that we learn from it and make improvements to recovery plans. Also, there is a golden opportunity to replace infrastructure and not just modernize it but make it more robust and able to withstand catastrophes, both natural and man-made.

    If our federal and state governments are far-sighted, they will invest in these improvements and incent private actors to do the same.

  8. Comrade Nom Deplume in well-defended PA says:

    “The house that used to be two blocks from the water is now on the beach.”

    Years ago, when large chunks of Chatham, MA were being swallowed up in a hurricane, I joked about buying a house a block from a beach so that my kids would have beachfront property someday.

    I didn’t think it would be a reality in my lifetime.

  9. Ernest Money says:

    NJ real estate is dead. Has been for a while. Can we bury the rotting corpse now?

  10. Nomad says:

    Thanks Comrade.

    I hope supply eases – if not, it will get pretty ugly quickly. Had dinner a few of weeks ago with another couple – asked him how much bottled water he keeps on hand – said a gallon – I kind of chuckled and said you might want to pick up more as you never know.

    You are smart to be prepared. In a few weeks, many, but not all will forget about this.

    Hope you are enjoying Chester county. Have you been to i-Pasta in W. Chester? For family night, P.J. Whelihan’s in Downingtown or Amani’s for fine dining.

  11. Nomad says:

    For those of you with generators – if you don’t have a transfer switch wired into your panel, are you just triaging and plugging a heavy duty extension cord into the item(s) you want to power?

    I don’t want to mess with a panel at a rental property. Too many potential issues.

    Also – has anyone ever used on of those tri-fuel conversion kits on a small generator?


  12. Comrade Nom Deplume in well-defended PA says:
  13. Grim says:

    Nom, this disaster proves all Armageddonists wrong.

    There are no riots, no uprisings, no gangs, nothing but cooperation and support between neighbors and strangers alike. Guns and ammo are again largely useless, and you know that I am pro-gun.

    I think the Armageddonists need to rethink their world-view.

  14. Comrade Nom Deplume in well-defended PA says:

    [10] Nomad

    Haven’t been anywhere yet. Just pizza so far and America’s Pie seems to be the new Cosimos for us. Folks who own it drive in from Jersey where they know how to make pizza.

    Very glad I haven’t had to dip into my prep. Thought about making my prep available to NJRER readers but I am so far away that it is pointless. If you can get to me, you can get to open gas stations and stores. We offered to shelter affected friends but they have been getting their power back or have other options so no takers thus far. I may look into volunteering my time and some of my prep by driving out with a truckload of tools, gas and food but I have obligations here so I would not be able to accomplish much—by the time I get there, I have to come back.

    So my sole contribution to NJ may be a letter I am writing to the NJ Board of Bar Examiners to ask for rules relief so that lawyers affected by the storm can assist clients without running afoul of the professional responsibility rules.

  15. nwnj says:

    When are they saying ount olive flanders will be restored? Can’t view on bb.

  16. Juice Box says:

    Grim – we haven’t run out of bacon yet. When that happens it is all over.

  17. Comrade Nom Deplume in well-defended PA says:

    [13] grim,

    My prep, and the nompound, was never about Armageddon. In fact, I was often criticized for not making it “hard” enough to survive a nuclear blast or zombie apocalypse.

    It was about cooperation among a small group and having the means to prep against the probable, not the theoretical. Things like this, and the aftermath should it get worse (which it isn’t). I don’t believe in zombies.

  18. Juice Box says:

    Off to eat my breakfast of bacon, egg, cheese on an engish muffin.

  19. 250k says:

    Com (12)

    The Brig is still largely down and out. I did not drive the south side of town but most of the North side is kaput. Two slices that somehow remained on the grid are a section of Broad St. (between Temple Emanu-El and the doctors offices as you approach downtown) and South Chestnut Street on the approach to Garwood. A few of the streets that border Garwood are up like Stevens and sections of Coolidge that are practically in Cranford.

    The number and size of the downed trees is not to be believed. The intersection of Kimball and Wychwood looks like a giant went in and needed a bunch of toothpicks, nothing left standing. Intersection of Tremont and Euclid (not sure if you know of the house with the gas burning lamps at the foot of the driveway?) has downed trees and poles. The lamps are still burning though!

  20. zieba says:

    I woke up at 3AM last night and headed out to find gas. I dreaded long lines but the tank was getting empty. Acting on a tip I headed to a no name gas station on rt46 (Columbia avenue) in Palisades Park. I got there, found a very reasonable line which I got into (6 city blocks?). To my surprise 40 minutes later I was at the pump! (place had 8 pumps going) I set off for Edgewater with a full tank to pick up a few necessities from the apartment. PSEG update board in lobby said Monday/Tuesday at best.

    On the way back to the meadowlands ( took river road all the way down to 495, dark all the way except palisades medical) I saw cars lined up in front of certain closed/dark gas stations. One at the HESS by the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel and two more by Secaucus. A closer inspection revealed people were sleeping in their cars on these lines, but what were they waiting for??? The stations to open the next day? or the rumor of a delivery the following day?

    Christie’s rations are going to be a zoo. I think I’m good through Wed on this tank.
    Grim, IIRC, if it ends in a letter you fill up on odd days.

  21. chi in westchester says:

    I think that gas stations should charge as high as possible right now. We need to ensure that only those who really need the gas are using it. Further if you want to run a generator like a fiend, then you should pay dearly for the priviledge. If you can be convinced to avoid topping off, so be it. As a proprietor, if you want to destroy your relationship with the public, then go test your resolve. We are playing in the deep end of the pool right now. No fun and games, and most of all, no whining.

  22. grim says:

    It’s actually the last number on the plate, not the last character.

  23. Comrade Nom Deplume in well-defended PA says:

    [19] 250

    Sad to hear. I lived near Wychwood, a block from Kimball and Wilson school. We had huge oaks in my backyard that survived Irene and Snowmageddon easily but I worry for the folks who literally just moved into my old house. Nice people with a young child and one on the way. I hope they, and all my old friends in the brig, are all right.

  24. grim says:

    Mount olive – 390 estimated repairs today, 1132 estimated tomorrow.

  25. Comrade Nom Deplume in well-defended PA says:

    [19] 250

    “Intersection of Tremont and Euclid (not sure if you know of the house with the gas burning lamps at the foot of the driveway?) has downed trees and poles. The lamps are still burning though!”

    Ha! yes, I do know the house. Drove by it many times.

  26. grim says:

    I filled up my containers on 23 in Riverdale yesterday evening around 8, only waited 30 or 40 minutes. I should have had more containers in the car, no limits.

  27. Comrade Nom Deplume in well-defended PA says:

    Daddyo is on the south side in the brig. Wonder how he and the young’uns made out?

  28. homeboken says:

    My last # is a Zero. I can fill up on any day, or perhaps, I can’t fill up at all. :)

  29. Comrade Nom Deplume in well-defended PA says:

    [26] grim,

    Things should improve, but if they get worse, you will see max limits (e.g., 20 gallon max or one can) and possibly minimums to prevent topping off (though that is impossible to enforce).

    Good luck. How are you and the sweet pea making out?

  30. nwnj says:

    i Gues the state is going fully soviet with the fema creew in town. First was card check and now rationing systems. Christie should be ashamed for his part.

  31. grim says:

    Lots of gas stations are enforcing their own minimums.

    I spoke to the owner of the station on 23 last night. He said he was trucking in his gas from south jersey at a huge premium. He said that he carved out his margins to keep prices low and wasn’t really making any money off this. He said as long as he could keep the trucks coming up, he would keep pumping.

    He said other gas stations have this option but are not choosing to take it for fear of being stuck with tens of thousands of gallons of fuel at an inflated price.

  32. nwnj says:

    And I will go out on a limb and assume christies house is part of the area in mendham restored. Mayor in town here had his back right away.

  33. Fast Eddie says:

    Sandy’s brutal arrival Oct. 29 was the latest blow to homeowners in New Jersey, where foreclosures continued to rise and real estate prices to fall after most of the U.S. housing market began to recover last year. “New Jersey was a laggard before the storm even came along and the storm won’t help,” Sam Khater, deputy chief economist for CoreLogic Inc., a real-estate information service, said from his office in Tysons Corner, Virginia.

    Hmmm…. funny how the truth comes out during a major crisis.

  34. Fast Eddie says:

    “It could also improve the value of some homes,” Keogh said. “The house that used to be two blocks from the water is now on the beach.”

    Read this sentence above and tell me this isn’t one of the most 1diotic f.ucking statements ever uttered by someone associated with the real estate industry.

  35. zieba says:

    It was interesting to see that during my run from GWB to 495 via a darkened River Road there was absolutely no police presence. That is until I got to the hoity toity developments south of the weehakwen ferry terminal, where I found a cruiser idling at the entrance, lights flashing and all.

  36. Essex says:

    I like the peace and quiet. Hardly anyone running a generator. Just a cool breeze and a nice sunny day. Wife is in PA. Hit Cabellas for a few items including a lantern. She’ll bring back a 5 gallon tank of gas for me. Anyhow. Cheerio!

  37. Fast Eddie says:

    “Oh look honey, we don’t have to drag our beach chairs two blocks to the beach anymore. We can just jump out the 2nd story window now!”

    “Yes dear, true, but be careful not to land on Joe and Mary’s floating carcasses. You know (insert serious looking face here), out of respect and all.”

  38. nwnj says:

    Our household have an even odd plate combo – can fuel any day. Just have to switch plates. Rationing systems are great for one thing though – developing a vibrant black market.

  39. zieba says:

    License plaaaaaates!!! Get your odd/even license plates!!! Ten dolla, ten dolla, ten dolla. License plaaaaaaaates!!!

  40. grim says:

    It’s a beautiful fall day out, might just need to break out the lawn gear and clean things up a bit.

  41. yome says:

    Went to Costco this morning to fill up,waited 45 min.Ask the attendant,when will they run out? He said they are getting delivery every 2 hours.Sarcasm? I dont know but let those deliveries keep on coming

  42. chi in westchester says:

    End Is Nigh (WSJ Edition):
    The publisher stuck coupon flyers in the weekend edition. One of the flyers is for DICK’s Sporting Goods……one page is all sneakers, the other is all guns.

  43. Anthony's says:

    Sima or anyone else. I am working on a news story about employer responses to the storm. Most specifically of the middle class salaried and contract workers. There are stories of workers without power or Internet being penalized for not being in contact with their employers. Also being told that time off in the immediate aftermath counts as vacation. On the flip side some employers have gone above and beyond for their workers.
    Full anonymity of course. I can be reached at abb1495@hotmail.com.

  44. chi in westchester says:

    5 minute wait for gas up here…..had to pump it myself…..most stations have no gas though…several have no power….

  45. joyce says:


    I’m not a fan of price controls (NJ’s law limiting price increases during ‘state of emergencies’), but I know someone who was traveling on the parkway north last night was charged $9/gal for gas.

  46. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    [47] yome,

    And NY isn’t even a battleground state.

    I said after Katrina that the politicians would flood the streets with money after every disaster in the future. Knowing this, I took advantage and applied for assistance last year. I used the FEMA money to make “repairs” to my house for its eventual sale.

    If I can, I will try to get FEMA money this year as well.

  47. morpheus says:

    13: Grim–we are only a few days into this. Talk to me in 10 days time and we will revisit the subject.

    Nom: yes…good that I have ammo. Bad that I cant carry a gun in NJ. The ammo will not help me in a gas line.

    Well…when this blows over, the neighbor is going to give me that old wood stove. Apparently his son no longer uses it. Old free stove is better than nothing.

    Question for the board: who do I need to consult with to see if my floor can support this stove? It is an old cast iron stove, ben franklin type (Yes I know..inefficient..who cares). Probably weighs at least 300 lbs.

    wife is still in denial: does not want to purchase an emergency propane heater for the house since we will get the wood stove….Seems to assume we will not lose power again….very foolish.

  48. morpheus says:

    nom: daughter’s first kiss? Do u have quick lime to deal with the “problem”?

  49. grim says:

    Essex – free gas at the WO armory

  50. grim says:

    Wood stoves are cheap, it’s the double walled stainless chimney pipe that is expensive. You’ll need a permit and fire inspection as well I believe.

  51. grim says:

    And space to store lots of wood to season/dry. In 3 days we burned through a huge amount of wood. I laugh at the folks that buy those little gas station bundles, that’s good for about 15 minutes.

  52. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Main article – Did anyone check where Mr. Cody Buck’s house is/was? His small neighborhood is surrounded by The South River on 3 sides. He bought it for $163K in 2009. I think homes are still way over-priced, but I wouldn’t even bother looking at anything in Middlesex County that could be had for that price.

  53. Hughesrep says:


    I’ve gone through probably half of a cord since Monday night. The generator is running the blower on the fireplace which helps.

  54. grim says:

    Even/Odd is being ignored by the police as far as I can tell. Seems like it’s more off an honor system than a hard restriction.

  55. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Anybody running pellet stoves? A friend of mine got one last year around this time and only used oil for hot water all winter. He claims it saved him thousands over using his oil furnace and his house is pretty new, built about 10 years ago.

  56. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    A BC friend of mine is using this beautiful day to put a borrowed 27 ton log splitter through it’s paces. He just posted a pretty impressive picture of the wood he’s split today.

  57. grim says:

    FYI – Expect contracts and closing to temporarily drop as a result of Sandy. In-progress mortgages may be required to undergo a reappraisal to assess for storm damage prior to closing.

  58. Essex says:

    51. Rode by that. They ran out. I was on a flat bat Bianchi singlespeed. Made my errands on that today! Was gorgeous outside. Stang is parked!

  59. Essex says:

    Make that flat Bar!

  60. Nomad says:

    Comfort and charging stations

    By Justin Zaremba/NJ.com
    on November 03, 2012 at 12:15 PM, updated November 03, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    • Morris County: Morris County residents can obtain free bottles of water and free ice at the Morris County Public Safety Academy located at 500 West Hanover Avenue Parsippany, NJ 07054 Saturday until 9 p.m. Residents seeking ice are requested to bring their own containers. Notification of further distribution of water and ice will be made when availability is confirmed from the Morris County Office of Emergency Management.

    • Boonton (Town of): Town Hall (100 Washington St.) and Boonton Recreation Center (1210 Ceder St.) are open as warming and charging centers. Town Hall 24 hours and Recreation Center to 4 p.m.

    • Boonton Township: Municipal Building 155 Powerville Road; warming & charging 24 hours a day. Recreation center until 4 p.m.

    • Chatham Borough: The Chatham Emergency Squad building on Spring Street is now open until 9 p.m. daily as a charging station. On Saturday, it will be open 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. Police said parking will be in the tennis lot.

    Chatham Fire Department, Fire House Plaza

    Library of the Chathams, Main Street, regular business hours for warming and charging.

    The Chatham Club is now open from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. and is limited to non-members for charging station and Wi-Fi access. Please be considerate of Chatham Club members while using the facility.

    • Chatham Township: Library of the Chathams, Main Street, regular business hours for warming & charging.

    The Chatham Club is now open from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. and is limited to non-members for charging station and Wi-Fi access. Please be considerate of Chatham Club members while using the facility.

    • Chester Borough: Town hall at 50 North Road has power and is open as a warming center. Residents are welcome to come warm up, recharge cell phones or other electronic devices, utilize the kitchen in the break room, and socialize anytime between the hours of 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. No overnight stays are permitted at this facility.

    • Chester Township: St. Lawrence Church on Main Street will be free spaghetti dinner tonight from 5-7 p.m.

    • Denville: The Township has opened a “warming station” at St. Clare’s in the Green Room, located at 122 Diamond Spring Road. The warming station is open between 11 a.m. to 4 p.m., through Saturday, Nov. 3. Besides heat and coffee, a limited number of power strips are available for residents to charge their cell phones and computers.

    St Francis Health Resort, 122 Diamond Spring Road. This will be a place to warm, coffee and cell phone charging station. It will be open from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m.

    • Dover:Town Hall will be open from 8:30 a.m. to 10 p.m. Nov. 1 and Nov. 2 as a warming center and a place to charge your cell phone.

    Dover High School – warming station for residents only.

    • East Hanover: East Hanover Middle School remain open 24 hours a day through Sunday as an emergency shelter, and a place to charge electronic devices. There is water and some food available. Residents can rest there at any time.

    Temporary shelter at the Recreation Center at Lurker Park. No pets allowed, cots will be available for sleeping, this location does not have shower facilities.

    • Florham Park police said the information and charging station in the pool lot is now closed, the Holy Family will remain open late and the fire department headquarters will be open 24 hours.

    • Hanover Township: The Community Center will be open for use as a Warming Center on Thursday, Nov. 1. from 9 a.m. to 3:30 p.m.

    • Harding: Christ-the-King Church is open as a warming center and cell-phone recharging center 24 hours a day.

    The Municipal Building on Blue Mill Road is now operating on emergency generator power and will remain open during normal business hours.

    • Harding police said the township meeting hall is now a warming center, too.

    * High Bridge: According to High Bridge police, ice and bottled water are now available at the rescue squad building.

    • Jefferson: Senior Center on Schoolhouse Road and Lake Hopatcong Fire Company No. 2 firehouse near the Wendy’s on Route 15 South and the Fire Transfer Station on Prospect Point Road and Schwarz Boulevard. Centers are open from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m.

    • Kinnelon: Pearl Miller School is available for warming and charging 24 hours a day.

    New York Sports Club on Route 23 has offered hot showers to local residents.

    • Lincoln Park: Community Meeting Room in Borough Hall is available for warming and charging 24 hours a day. Please bring extension cords or power strips with multiple receptacles to help others charge at the same time. Please be considerate of the room and other residents.

    • Long Hill: Town Hall will be open to the public Saturday and Sunday from 9 a.m to 2 p.m. in order to charge devices and to answer any questions about current recovery efforts. No pets please.

    • Madison: The public library will be open from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. Friday, but without wifi. The YMCA will open at noon Friday for warm showers.

    The Madison Police Department foyer is open as a warming and charging station 24/7.

    • Mendham Township: There is a 24/7 warming center at the Brookside Fire Department, 3 Cherry Lane, Mendham Twp. Coffee, food, cots, etc. Chester Township residents welcome.

    • Mine Hill: Civic Center is available for resident shelter, warming & charging, overnight.

    • Montville: Montville Fire Department Station 1 at 106 Route 202 at Taylortown Road, open approximately 10 a.m., closing at 10 p.m.

    Towaco Volunteer Fire Department Station 1 at 27 Whitehall Road, Towaco from 2 p.m. to 11 p.m.

    A pet-friendly comfort station: Cedar Hill School, 46 Pine Brook Road, Towaco. Residents only. Warming and charging.

    • Morristown has updated its list of warming and charging stations Friday:
    • St. Peter’s Episcopal Church, open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. at South Street and Miller Road, serving breakfasts and suppers while people are without electricity
    • Assumption Church on Maple Avenue, serving bagels and coffee daily at 9 a.m., and pizza at lunchtime
    • Bethel A.M.E. Church on Spring Street, with a warming station from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m
    • Centro Biblico Church on Abbett Avenue, with a warming station from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. daily
    • Town Hall, 200 South St., in the Senior Center, from 8 a.m. to mignight, with wifi, coffee and light snacks.
    • Morristown Fire Department Firehouse, 161 Speedwell Ave. (second floor), 24 hours a day

    • Morris Plains: Warming and electronics recharging center: Community Center in Community Park. Open daily from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. until power has been restored throughout the Borough.

    Vineyard Community Church also has a space for residents to re-charge electronics, watch TV and movies, and access the web via WiFi. Coffee and snacks are available, and there is a play area for kids. It’s at 60 E. Hanover Ave., and is open from 8 am to 9 pm on Thursday and Friday, and until 3 p.m. on Saturday.

    • Morris Township: The township municipal Building at 50 Woodland Ave. is designated as the primary warming center. It is also a charging center with wi-fi. It is open 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. and will be open Saturday and Sunday. Additionally, the township’s five fire houses are open for those needing to charge electronic devices.
    • Morristown: Bethel A&M Church; Assumption Church; St.Peters Church; Town Municipal Building; Fire Department

    • Mount Arlington:The Civic Center will again be open as a warming center on Nov. 1 from 4 to 9 p.m.. There will also be a charging station, water and hot drinks. This will be made available each day until the power returns to town.

    • Mount Olive: For residents: Warming & charging, potable water, are available at the
    Mount Senior Center noon until 11 p.m.

    Showers available for residents at Flanders Firehouse between 1 to 4 p.m. and 6 to 8 p.m. Bring toiletries and towels.

    • Mountain Lakes:The Mountain Lakes Club on Lake Drive will be oper to all Mountain Lakes residents as a charging and warming station during their normal business hours, 11:00 am – 11:00 pm. The Club is also offering a limited menu.

    Mountain Lakes High School is currently open as a shelter and will remain open daily until no longer needed by our residents.

    • Parsippany: A new warming station/portable Electronics Charging Station will be opened at 6 a.m. morning at the Parsippany Community Center located at 1130 Knoll Road in Lake Hiawatha.

    The Mount Tabor Library and the Lake Hiawatha Library will also be open as warming centers.

    • Pequannock: Warming center open at Senior House 9 a.m. to 7 p.m.

    • Randolph: Town Hall is open from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m.

    Public Works Center on Sussex Turnpike is open from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.

    Ironia Firehouse on Dover-Chester Road is open from 9 a.m. to 8 p.m.

    Millbrook Firehouse on Route 10 West is open from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.

    • Riverdale: The Riverdale Community Center will be open from 11 a.m. to 6 p.m. as a warming station and charging station for cellphones. There is no food or sleeping there.

    Showers available at Gold’s Gym. Need to prove Riverdale Residency.

    • Rockaway Borough: Rockaway Borough Free Public Library, 82 East Main St., 973-627-5709. Hours: Monday and Wednesday, noon to 8 p.m.; Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday, 10 a.m. to 6 p.m.; Saturday, 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.

    Rockaway Assembly of God Church: 113 East Main St., Rockaway, NJ 07866, 973-627-0239; Hours: 8:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Please call ahead.

    • Rockaway Township: Police Headquarters is available for warming and charging 24 hours a day. Library is available for warming and charging during normal business hours.

    • Roxbury: The Town Hall, 72 Eyland and the Library are available to anyone wishing to charge electronic devices. As of 10 a.m. on Oct. 31 the firehouses in Succasunna, Berkshire valley and on Shippenport Road in Landing are open as hygiene centers providing bathroom facilities and the filling of potable water containers.

    • Washington Township: Effective immediately, residents needing a daytime location for charging electronic devices as well as overnight sheltering should go to the Schooley’s Mountain Fire Station on Schooley’s Mountain Road, which will remain open through the duration of the Hurricane Sandy emergency. Residents desiring overnight sheltering should bring blankets and pillows, and any desired non-perishable food. No pets other than support animals are allowed. Any questions can be directed to Washington Township Emergency Management at (908) 876-8314.

    • Wharton: Wharton Town Hall will be open as a warming and charging stations during normal operating hours, as well as Saturday and Sunday from 10 a.m. until 2 p.m.

    A warming center will open at 100 North Main St. in Wharton from 6 to 11 p.m. Friday, police said.

    Emergency shelters

    • East Hanover Middle School: residents only.

    • Madison: Madison Ambulance Building (across from Public Safety Building). 25 Beds, food and comfort kits from Red Cross. No animals allowed.

    • Madison: Civic Center, Walnut Street

    • Mendham Borough: Sisters of Christian Charity

    • Mendham Township: Brookside Firehouse

    • Montville: The township’s comfort centers are being consolidated to Montville Township High School, 100 Horseneck Road. Beginning at 3 p.m. Friday, residents will have access to men’s and women’s shower facilities, heat, electricity and overnight accommodations, if needed. If you anticipate spending the night at the shelter, bring a sleeping bag, pillows, and any other items of comfort. cots will be available.

    • Morris Township: Mennen Arena, located 161 Hanover Ave., has been open since Sunday as a county emergency shelter. Anthony Novellino, shelter supervisor, said at least 90 people wereexpected to use the shelter Thursday night, but wereare beds for at least 140 more individuals. With the Red Cross’ assistance and donations from local restaurants, Novellino said the shelter has progressed from rations to hot meals.

    According to Morris Township officials on Friday, the shelter is now animal-friendly; bring a cage and the essentials for your animal.

    • Mountain Lakes: High School

    • Hopatcong: High School, Jefferson and Roxbury residents

    • Washington Township: Schooley’s Mountain firehouse; residents only

  61. relo says:

    OnR website has us slated to be back online 11/11, which is nice. I’m sure they’re around, but haven’t seen a truck. Next time my boss asks for a status report I’m going to respond that the situation is being assessed and I’ll have a more definitive answer shortly.

  62. Hughesrep says:


    Candy a$$. Tell him to use an axe. Are there pictures of his ponytail hanging through his Red Sox cap?

    I spent four hours this am splitting wood by hand. Admittedly I can’t use my arms at the moment to lift anything larger than a 90 minute.

  63. grim says:

    If I build my own splitter from scratch does that make it more manly?

  64. Hughesrep says:



    I am triaging. I got a generator Wednesday. I turned off my main and all my breakers and plugged my generator into a plug via 10 ga cable. It covers the circuit that plug is connected to, most of my bottom floor lights, the blower on my fireplace and the big tv for the kids. I gave up on the fridgs and am living via large coolers and ice for food. Luckily it has been cold so things like beer can be kept outside.

    A gas stove, a good grille and extra lp tanks cover the cooking.

  65. Hughesrep says:


    Only if you can power via human or animal power. You have a big dog right? ;)

  66. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [65] HughesRep – I mentioned BC = Bergen County, Cresskill. He’s a Yankees fan or he wouldn’t be my friend. He’s slicing up his own downed trees and splitting them. I never even heard of a 27 ton log splitter. I asked him if it automatically turns off after he splits 27 tons.

    Candy a$$. Tell him to use an axe. Are there pictures of his ponytail hanging through his Red Sox cap?

    I spent four hours this am splitting wood by hand. Admittedly I can’t use my arms at the moment to lift anything larger than a 90 minute.

  67. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [65] Hugesrep – John Henry vs. the machine left JH dead. Here’s my friend’s candy a$$ work pic:


  68. Fast Eddie says:

    The Exxon and BP on 46 east in Little Falls are out of gas. The Exxon across on the west bound side was still pumping as of 5:15 PM but the line is e-n-d-l-e-s-s. And I mean endless. The Exxon on 46 west by The Hearth is not only closed but is surrounded by riot-style fencing.

    Shop Rite has no perishables; Stop N Shop on Allwood does have one or two stranded perishables but both stores resemble Novgorod, circa 1957. The fight over the last expired loaf of Wonder Bread just enhances the effect.

    Add the lines of people standing with gas cans and we’ve got the blueprint for the new USSA. I knew we’d go Soviet but I didn’t think it would happen overnight. I guess there has to be a defining moment somewhere.

    And since we’ve had power almost from the beginning, family members that’ve been in the dark have made numerous visits all week. I especially like the look on the faces of the nieces and nephews. These are the ones that were going to save the planet but now look like they’re in a state of panic over the chaos. They’re asking when things are going to be back to normal and I tell them this is the new normal, get used to it. Poor puppies… how are they going to defend themselves when the roving packs from Paterson start riding into town, looking for something to burn?

  69. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [71] gary – is that the Styretown supermarket these days? That used to be my store a couple different times. First when I lived at my Uncle’s house on Mount Prospect and second when my wife and I lived on the other side of Route 3 and down the road a piece, just outside of Hoffman-LaRoche’s main entrance. Rowe-Manse Emporium must be gone by now, right?

    Stop N Shop on Allwood does have one or two stranded perishables

  70. Essex says:

    71. Oh look everyone. A gloater. Kick him in his tinky.

  71. Mikewaited says:

    Gased up in PA no lines three cars in front of me about 1 pm, shop right rt23 Montague fully stocked with produce, meat ,etc.

  72. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [73] Essex – This is a civilized community, no tinky kicking please. If you want to grab both his wah-wahs and give them a good, hard squeeze…well, that’s allowed.

    71. Oh look everyone. A gloater. Kick him in his tinky.

  73. Fast Eddie says:


    Rowe-Manse is long gone. The Stop N Shop is now at Allwood Road and Broad St. I’m going to attempt a gas run right now. I just took a few swigs of Jameson… that should get me in the mood.

  74. Mikewaited says:

    Gary pack a piece just in case.

  75. Mikewaited says:

    Hmm Jameson now that’s an idea.

  76. Juice Box says:

    Garden State Plaza was packed to the gills, even the overflow lots full. Lots of utility trucks from out of state staging there. No gas on Rt 4 from Hackensack to Paramus. Three gas stations open on Teaneck Rd from Rt 4 to Washington Ave in Haworth. Long long lines at each one.

    Utility crew from DC just spent the last two hours moving the transformer from the pole infront of my mother’s house down the street to another pole. I guess having Juice like me gets things done, somehow we got priority over all of the other blacked out areas and we had power all week.

    Saw utility crews all over and a big convoy from Florida stopping at the Matthews Diner in Begenfield for dinner. I hope somebody picks up the tab for them.

  77. Ben says:

    just filled up in Bucks County PA, took about 4 minutes flat

  78. NJCoast says:

    Costco at Ocean Township opened their gas pumps today. I drove right up to the pump at 1:45PM.

  79. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    Was out earlier splitting wood by hand. Getting pretty good with that splitting maul.

  80. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    We buy the little 4-5 split log packages at Whole Foods and have fewer fires than I can count on one hand during the winter. Of course, we live in a 1928 brick building with steam heat where even with most of our radiators turned off at the floor it’s pretty much always above 70 degrees F in every room of the house for the whole winter. Fires are for show.

  81. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [83] Our living room radiator, which has the most cores, stays completely turned off unless it gets below 15 F outside.

  82. The Original NJ ExPat says:
  83. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    [83] expat,

    Yeah, this is pretty much for show as well. The logs I have been splitting are the ones I cut after snowmageddon last year.

  84. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    [74] mike,

    All good for now, but we on the PA side should organize the posse so we can close those river crossings Gretna-style if need be.

  85. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [86] Nom – You took logs with you, from NJ to PA when you moved? I guess if it’s a corporate relo and you have room in the truck…

  86. Libtard at home says:

    I’m burning the maple we took down after last October’s snow storm.

    Still have the full tank of gas in the Civic and down to half a tank in the Xterra. We filled both to the rim just before the storm. Funny, the stations were nearly empty then.
    We have 6 gallons in storage in the garage if we need to use it. Been driving as little as possible.

    Insurance adjuster comes on Monday at 2pm. Neighbor is not going to like that his homeowners will need to cover the damage to his garage. Mine should pay for the tree removal and stump grind. I’m actually kind of psyched that I’ll have a lot less raking and the ability to grow grass in the rear of my backyard finally.

    So is JJ lost at sea?

  87. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I was just thinking about JJ. My guess is that his wife wacked his pee-pee and mandated no more internet until they live in a dry house again.

  88. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    My 10 year old has a part in the Boston Ballet production of the Nutcracker this year. Her first rehearsal was today. Hopefully she’ll keep working on her ballet and not kiss any boys for awhile. I’m unarmed.

  89. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    [88] expat,

    Precisely. They even offered. Not their first time.

  90. Mikewaited says:

    Expat 85 now that is good.
    Nom 87 bring it on, don’t forget I don’t live in a NJ area like brig this upper northwest Sussex.
    Most up here armed to the teeth, although they have few.

  91. Essex says:

    Jj is so off the grid, he’s on it.

  92. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    [93] Mike,

    By myself, I am better armed than the brig. Besides i thought that no one from Jersey wants to cross the Delaware?

  93. Punch My Ticket says:

    morpheus [49],

    Question for the board: who do I need to consult with to see if my floor can support this stove? It is an old cast iron stove, ben franklin type (Yes I know..inefficient..who cares). Probably weighs at least 300 lbs.

    Unless you’ve done something stupid with joists, a 300 lb stove is no problem. Because it’s cast, its efficiency is a potential problem.

    Fire hazard is a definite problem. Double wall pipe, as few bends as possible, and a decent sized fireproof skirt in front to catch embers. If you use the stove much, clean the pipe regularly.

    Install a CO detector if you don’t have one.

    Buy or build a thermoelectric fan. It works when the power is out and it expands the heated area by 3-4 times.

  94. morpheus says:

    You guys rock! thanks for the advice. Surprised I can type: too much belgian abbey ale….very nice!

  95. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    The Hessians wanted to, but they had a bit of an alcohol problem and ran into some problems. I guess they weren’t really from Jersey, so never mind.

    Besides i thought that no one from Jersey wants to cross the Delaware?

  96. Brian says:

    Finally got power last night. Its a good thing, I think the carbon monoxide from the generator was driving me slowly mad.

    Fcuk you Sandy.

  97. grim says:

    Jealous, I don’t think Wayne even ranks on the JCP&L priority list. They haven’t even sent the tree guys out yet.

  98. 1993 House Buyer says:

    #100..this is a pretty “weak” schedule….


  99. 1993 House Buyer says:

    #100…I’m in CG if you need anything, you have my e mail

  100. grim says:

    I now understand what it feels like to be a crack addict.

    My life has devolved into gas being a higher priority than food or otherwise. I have empty gas cans everywhere, I slow at every gas station, I jet out of the house at the slightest rumor of the next hit being available down the street. I start getting the itch when my supply falls below anything but completely full. When’s my next hit? Where’s my next hit? 5 gallons isn’t a big enough score anymore, I need 7, I need 10, I need 12. Gotta get it, need it.

  101. grim says:

    And don’t you preppers tell me you’ve got it covered, 40 gallons? 50 gallons? That ain’t shit when you are out of power for a week. Besides, when you are storing that much gas, you’ll get the itch too, since you’ll need to be rotating that stock like crazy to keep it fresh, and the more you’ve got, the harder it’s going to be to rotate.

    That whole house nat gas Generac is looking mighty good right now!

  102. 1993 House Buyer says:

    ..then you add in that the natural gas service was cut to the shore..perhaps only answer is to go propane generator and bury a large LP tank on the property to be truly independent…I think the Generac can go on nat gas and propane.

  103. NJGator says:

    Grim – JCP&L exists solely for those of us who rely on PSE&G for power to stop b*tching about our service.

    My folks are JCP&L customers in Marlboro. They have no idea when their service will be restored. They prepared for the storm by watching Fox News. They have no generator, no heat and no way of cooking anything since they replaced the gas range in their kitchen with an electric cooktop when they redid it a few years back.

    Without power they are now getting all of their storm related news from the NYPost. Tried to convince them to come stay with us yesterday (a problem logistically since my mom still has trouble with steps since she broke her femur last year), but my dad preferred to spend 15 minutes arguing with me about how Christie was bamboozled by Obama.

  104. NJGator says:

    Oh and yesterday my mother asked me if I think she will need to throw out some of the contents of her fridge. Oy. Note to self: must bring our own food every time we visit for the next year.

  105. grim says:

    My buddy at the Riverdale gulf on 23 hooked me up, no wait for containers, just walk right up

  106. grim says:

    He also said they are ignoring even/odd, even the cops.

    “Many people upset, make situation”

  107. Lord Humungus says:

    Vote for Lord Humungus via email or fax and there will be free gas and cheese for everyone.

    “For those who can’t make it to their voting precincts, Christie ordered election officials to allow displaced New Jersey voters to place their ballots electronically by submitting a mail-in ballot application via e-mail or fax. Once approved, the voter will be sent an electronic ballot that can, in turn, be e-mailed or faxed back to the county clerk.”


  108. Mikewaited says:

    Just filled up 1/2 mile from home 10 car line 4 two sided pumps going 10min wait.
    Lukoil rte 23 Wantage NJ

  109. Mikewaited says:

    Lord H 108 easy fix post cop, firemen, or someone from there fire safety office no approved gas container no gas. On second thought police , you need to have a gun! You got one OK stay in line, send rest home. There fix no gas for anyone.

  110. Juice Box says:

    SAT maps are up. Two new inlets by Bay Head. Inlet at South Spring Lake and Lake Cuomo reopened. Boardwalks in Sea Girt Spring Lake, Belmar are gone.


  111. grim says:

    I saw someone fill up a 3 gallon deer park (or something like it) water container the other day, the kind that is meant to sit on the shelf in your fridge. I wonder if it made it home without melting. I couldn’t believe they let her fill it up.

  112. Juice Box says:

    Gary – Open House, prime downtown Hoboken location!


  113. grim says:

    From the Star Ledger:

    Real estate at the Shore: Opportunities likely

    It may be hard to believe after seeing the pictures of devastation at the Jersey Shore, but the real estate market there may present opportunities, say industry observers.

    Walter Molony, a spokesman for the National Association of Realtors, has watched housing trends around the country in the wake of storms like Hurricane Sandy. In states such as Florida where hurricanes hit more frequently, the recession caused more damage to the real estate market than heavy winds and floods.

    “You see a temporary disruption after a storm, followed by a pick-up of activity,” he said.

    Sandy may be the second-most costly storm on record, behind only Hurricane Katrina, according to Eqecat, an insurance analyst firm.

    “In the case of Katrina,” Molony said, “we saw surges of sales in areas that survived. Sales in unaffected areas usually rise above expected levels.”

    New Jersey presents a different scenario.

    Home prices along its 127 miles of sandy shore range from hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars. And despite the images of destruction people have seen over the past week, New Jerseyans still have a love affair with the Shore.

    Homeowners aren’t expected to flood the market with underpriced houses and flee inland.

    “There’ll be those who want to stay, and there’ll be those who say ‘I want out,’ ” said Pauline Poyner, a Coldwell Banker Realtor in Rumson. But she expects most people will see what the insurance companies offer and opt to stay.

    “The Jersey Shore is such a part of our culture,” she said.

    Jeffrey Otteau of Otteau Valuations said it will take several months for homeowners to evaluate insurance claims and make a decision. Some may conclude they can’t afford to stay.

    “Flood insurance coverage and the money that comes from FEMA is likely to be insufficient, so people are going to get caught short,” he said. “Some may put their home up for sale ‘as is.’ ”

    That may lower property prices, and at the same time open the door to speculators.

    “There will surely be investors going door to door offering to buy for cash, saying ‘I’ll take it off your hands right now,’ with the idea of rebuilding and selling, or holding the property as an investment.”

  114. Fast Eddie says:

    Juice [116],

    I’m bringing my checkbook like a good little muppet. I hear places have multiple bids over asking within 5 minutes of hitting the market. You know, being that it’s close to NYC and sh1t. Besides they’re not making anymore land. In fact, Sandy has taken some land back into the ocean so we better hurry now, because those charmers won’t last.

  115. Ernest Money says:

    Vote early, vote often.

    Anyone who pulls a lever for any of these chuckleheads is complicit in the scam.

  116. Fast Eddie says:

    Meat [119],

    Just for ha ha’s, let’s try the new chucklehead because the old chucklehead has thrown 6 interceptions, has been sacked 11 times and is still looking to play the 2nd half. I think the coach (Amerikans) need to bench that stumbling, muttering f.uck and try the other guy.

  117. Fabius Maximus says:

    Second only to the gas panic is that you have to dig deep and smile and congratulate those that get their power back. Lots of people running a cable from their generator to their neighbors. Lots of gas sharing going on. The collective model is the only one that works in this situation. Even Gault’s Gulch ends up a commune
    As Ket showed pooling resources and putting the women in kids in one location while the men work together to get resources, is a great model. However, it only really works if there is trust. Add in stores of gold and there is a different dynamic in that house. Would you leave the wife, kids AND the gold?
    Within 24 hours of getting power back our town is cleaning out closets of winter cloths and boots. Cartons of new socks and underwear and baby products were dropped off and are now on their way to Breezy point and Amityville. I put a roof box on my Prius and my generator, extra pumps hosts and 10 gallons of gas are on their way to start pumping out basements. http://flic.kr/p/dqnyxf
    I’ll always take the other side of Morphs view. In 10 Days’ time the examples of help will far outnumber the few instances of unrest. There always will be people lining up for food donations or applying for FEMA resources that don’t need it. For those I say remember that Karma is a heatless b1tch!

  118. Fabius Maximus says:

    #120 FE

    Your problem is that your backup is Ryan Leaf.

  119. morpheus says:

    121: “fab”…i hope u r right. prepare for the worst, hope for the best. We have good people where I live and have met a few of the locals that never got around to previously meeting. Nice people.

  120. Hi there! I know this is kinda off topic but I was wondering if you knew where I could find a captcha plugin for my comment form? I’m using the same blog platform as yours and I’m having problems finding one? Thanks a lot!

  121. Ben says:

    There are no riots, no uprisings, no gangs, nothing but cooperation and support between neighbors and strangers alike. Guns and ammo are again largely useless, and you know that I am pro-gun.

    I’m rethinking my world view after this. The only thing people care about it being able to text message and update their facebook. It’s more important than heating the house.

  122. All Hype says:

    Hey Folks:

    Hess has done a pretty good job with updating their gas station fuel levels. Here is the link:


  123. grim says:

    I’m rethinking my world view after this. The only thing people care about it being able to text message and update their facebook. It’s more important than heating the house.

    Call me an idiot all you like, but this will be the first hurricane defined by social media usage. When most all communications infrastructure failed, mobiles worked, and the number of people that utilized twitter and facebook to get support, coordinate support, get information was just amazing. Peer reporting through facebook was the most timely, and most detailed… in fact, most media outlets were just re-reporting twitter and facebook posts.

  124. yome says:

    Hell, i was getting my info from njrereport. Too much info to read from news outlets. Here the info was dissected to what I find relevant to me. As an example; I found out from here the rationing from yesterday, I went out and filled the tanks before 12. Generators was the topic before the storm hit. I am sure alot of readers persuaded them to buy generators before the storm hit

  125. joyce says:

    You’re only allowed to bash the younger generations and everything they like. There’s no in between.

  126. joyce says:


    You drive a Prius?

  127. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [128] Same here. I didn’t really understand what was coming until Lib posted that Storm Surge link (the one I replied “Yowza” to). I tried a couple times and still couldn’t figure out how to even get to that page on my own, it was only through the link I found here that I had access to that info days before the storm hit.

    Hell, i was getting my info from njrereport.

  128. Fast Eddie says:

    joyce [129],

    Go easy on the younger generation this week, they’re trying to figure out how to use their iShit as a floatation device.

  129. Fast Eddie says:

    I just filled up car number two; about a 45 minute wait. I counted over 100 cones to control traffic flow, six police officers, two volunteer firemen and five gas station personnel. I asked one cop why the stations with power don’t have any gas? The word was it wasn’t a supply problem, it was a power problem. He said towns don’t have enough security resources so they have to alternate stations and consolidate. He said there was one stabbing death last night in Clifton on a gas line. It’s a marshall law martini with a twist of soviet life style. How quaint. Oh well, cest la vie….

  130. joyce says:

    Did you use your iPhone or Android this week when your power was out?

  131. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    [121] fabius,

    The community bonding seen after disasters isn’t new. It is inherent in the idea of community. And I don’t disagree that collectivism works at a subsistence level. On the official levels, it makes for efficient use and allocation of resources (power crews, mutual aid agreements, regional compacts, etc). Same for community groups. But I also would not consider the level of assistance going on to be collectivism or an endorsement of communal living. It is simply how communities respond to crises.

  132. HouseWhineWine says:

    Pay it forward. Neighbors let us share their generator and we let our other neighbors share our fridge and freezer. When someone went to fill up their gas canister they asked others on the street if they needed a refill. However, the neighbors who never ever help anyone else out, well, didn’t see the hand of friendship reaching out.

  133. yome says:

    I feel blessed. I lost my power for about 7 hours. It turned off at about 8 pm at the height of the storm and power came back on at about 6am. I lost 6 roof shingles and corner of my alum siding ripped due to a pull off the pipe holding wires. Pipe is sitting by a pine tree branch. I called PSEG that i have loose live wire and was told,as well as thousands of people they will get here when they can.

  134. grim says:

    Pseg may not fix your conduit.

  135. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    Scan of headlines suggest logjam is breaking for gasoline. Power restored to tank farms and stations. I’m willing to bet that lines will disappear in a few days.

  136. Ernest Money says:

    Anybody want to go wilding tonight?

  137. Ernest Money says:

    Best thing about this weekend was the hiding Gooners took yesterday. Dead men walking.

  138. Ernest Money says:

    Spurs home loss to Wigan also heartwarming.

  139. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    [141] money

    Happy about Gooners but one point a week isn’t going to cut it. After Cabaye’s goal, we went into a prevent defense. With predictable results. And Pardew does this every week.

  140. grim says:

    139 – just drove by the packanack lake Exxon on 23 in Wayne, looks like a 20 minute wait or less.

  141. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    FesslerUSA, a 112 year old garment mfgr. in PA to shutter.

    Mgt said they could compete but can’t get financing anymore. Post Dodd-Frank, their credit dried up. They say this was the reason they can’t continue. So they are shutting down after 112 years.

    Hope and Change

  142. Ernest Money says:

    Look at these collectivists who haven’t had a shower in days. Doesn’t seem to me that they much enjoy living like Third World lickspittles now.

    Watch what happens when they start figuring out this is the new normal.

  143. Ernest Money says:

    Mitt = Bojangles in whiteface

  144. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    Meanwhile in India, Wipro reports strong revenue growth and improved forecast.

    Hope and Change

  145. grim says:

    146 – Hot water heater doesn’t need electricity … Are they saying they can’t shower without lights?

  146. Ben says:

    Call me an idiot all you like, but this will be the first hurricane defined by social media usage. When most all communications infrastructure failed, mobiles worked, and the number of people that utilized twitter and facebook to get support, coordinate support, get information was just amazing. Peer reporting through facebook was the most timely, and most detailed… in fact, most media outlets were just re-reporting twitter and facebook posts.

    I was focusing more on the people using such outlets to whine their butts off about not having power for 3 days. These people seem so self absorbed and don’t seem to care that people lost their homes, and in some cases, their lives.

  147. Ernest Money says:

    grim (149)-

    Lots of people around here have hot water that comes off boilers. The boilers flooded & blew, so no warm, cozy showers.

  148. grim says:

    Spend 10 minutes on the jersey shore hurricane news Facebook page and you’ll change your mind.

  149. chi still in westchester says:

    grim: you are a slacker; why is the clock on EDT? Any excuse to putz around…..

  150. grim says:

    I’m on baby time now … Clock? Irrelevant.

  151. Ernest Money says:

    Slackards will not be tolerated.

  152. Ernest Money says:

    Best JC story I’ve heard is from a guy who has a 1mm+ brownstone. Water got into his electric meter, and when the power came back on, his meter caught fire and burned half his house.

  153. Ernest Money says:

    Guy had to restrain his wife from tossing water on the burning electric meter.

  154. Ben says:

    grim, there’s no doubt that events like this bring out the best in people. Unfortunately, it also brings out the worst. While some people are helping out, donating supplies and their time, and showing compassion. Others are complaining and whining that they don’t have cable. I was at a food store where someone was upset that they were out of hot dog buns and they were going to have to use hamburger buns for their hot dogs. I had to listen to people complaining about leaves in their yard while my best friend in Point Pleasant lost the entire first floor of his house he bought last year. On the front page of nj.com, there is a guest editorial from some “social media guru” screaming at the governor because he hasn’t set up a twitter feed for people to get updates from local gas stations. At the end of the day, its events like this where people’s true colors come out.

  155. A Home Buyer says:

    No gas lines in 4 jefferson gas stations

  156. Ernest Money says:

    The true color of this event is that NJ is turning into Mogadishu.

  157. Fast Eddie says:

    Metlife stadium has a bigger crowd than I expected. Giants fans always liked the Steelers but not today! :)

  158. Fast Eddie says:

    Meat [160],

    I’d say northern NJ is currently Novgorod. Once the voilence kicks in, then we become Mogadishu. Although, the fight over the eggs this morning in Stop N Shop resembled a game between Springbok vs. All Black.

  159. A Home Buyer says:

    In agreement with Grim. We got hit with a 500 year storm and we came out overall ok.

    Our support systems, agencies, and people came together and things are beginning to normalize from the outer areas.

    The world didn’t end, but I guess we still have 12/21/12.

  160. Juice Box says:

    Lots of Sea Bright pics. Donovan’s Reef demolished.


  161. Firestormik says:

    No lines at RT27 Edison Lukoil and CostCo

  162. yome says:

    Passed by costco no lines 2 other station maybe 20 car deep. CC s ration working?

  163. yome says:

    165 that is the station I was talking about

  164. Firestormik says:

    About 90% recepients in Edison got power by now and Sunoco restored operation of the gas terminal in Piss-cat-away on Friday. Things are getting back to normal here

  165. Anon E. Moose says:

    Lib [89];

    So is JJ lost at sea?

    I know we all joke about JJ (most of all including JJ), but unless I’m mistaken about what I presume his hometown to be (adjacent to my former residence), JJ’s town took the storm very hard. My kids were zoned for that town’s schools, and my wife spoke to the mother of one of my oldest’s former classmates who still today is out of power.

    I hope his absence is just a matter of power and/or internet connectivity.

  166. Anon E. Moose says:

    Grim [127];

    mobiles worked

    Not in my little piece of Morris County. I was very lucky in that we lost power for only ~14 hrs; when power cam back we also had the cable trifecta (TV, land line phone, internet). However, I had no cell coverage in my home for days later (observation, not complaint — as I said we were very lucky). So, when Twitter/FB/text messages were more reliable to reach people than a mobile voice call, I could not send or receive texts on my mobile.

    It may have been an issue with my carrier (T-Mobile); one of my refugee house guests had Verizon service. *shrug*

  167. NJCoast says:

    Still. No. Power.

  168. grim says:

    None here, although we saw crews out in town for the first time.

  169. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    [158] Ben,

    This was a bad storm, and recovery is always difficult, but if you compare it to Andrew or the Joplin tornado, all but a few New Jerseyans have been as adversely affected.

    But judging by the whining, complaining, and venality on display (elsewhere, not here) you’d think it was Irene and Andrew rolled into one.

    I guess it is understandable; this is a populace largely dependent on government and institutions for many of their needs. And its hard to be self-sufficient. I get that. But I can tell you that it has never, for as long as I can remember, played well elsewhere.

  170. Mikewaited says:

    njcoast your handle says it all as you reported ,coast hit hard.

  171. Mikewaited says:

    grim what is Wayne a red headed step child, JCP&L even has mine working here in the sticks.

  172. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    Texted a friend in the brig. She took her family to Pittsburgh to ride out the storm in a hotel. They’re still there.

    Brig still has power lines and trees down everywhere and schools remain closed.

  173. Juice Box says:

    Finally heard from a friend in Brigantine. Apparently Obama rolled by his place in a SUV, and he will now vote for O. He kids of course, all is well down there too power restored, and their crews are now working their way north.

  174. Juice Box says:

    Wayne is near the end of the alphabet. Plus the crews are based in Linden and Monmouth raceway according to gov Christie.

  175. Juice Box says:

    Corey Booker just robo called Bergen county. I’d say it’s a bad call to lend his name to this, power is still out for too many. Sure the phone won’t ring today if you don’t have power but it might on Tuesday.

  176. Juice Box says:

    re: # –158 – Ben appreciated but the Summer of Sam was much scarier and that was only 2 days, or maybe I am just too old.

  177. Essex says:

    Friend loaned me a very nice generator. We hardwired ir to the furnace. Warmed up the place. Got some wifi and now i shut it down before turning in. Saw my roofer out and about and had him over to inspect damages. Did some leaf raking and enjoyed a nice day. Great time to own a bike.

  178. NJCoast says:

    Trying to prep to feed Chris Isaak at the State Theatre in New Brunswick tomorrow. Hope he likes PB&J!

  179. Grim says:

    178 – I’m sure the out of staters want to be where the action is, the towns they saw on TV, and not in Passaic, Morris, Essex, or Bergen.

  180. Juice Box says:

    re # 183 – Grim – has it even been any other way?

    Some guy showed up in Hoboken with a tanker truck of gas, and some other guy from I think from Alabama showed up with 5 generators and food.

    Then there is the Hamburger Nissan, filled with Hamburger buns.

  181. Ex poster says:

    OMG Nom. 5 years on this blog and your still bitching about “government dependency” and pathetic NJ. All the while every dollar you bring in depends on goverment regulation and rules, your mental status depends on sitting on government committees and stories of seeing black helicopters years ago and you even scammed FEMA (ie us non gov dependent tax payers) out of money for home repairs. Your the biggest tit sucker out there and a bore to boot. Want to tell the story yet again about having to stand and wave for some visiting foreign pooh bah? How about you regurgitate some Hannity talking points? Or even tell us how you had the amazing foresight to see every event that has ever befallen us? Maybe you could have a second career as a pseudo psychic? Built that Nompound yet? Got that boat service off of Manhattan for disasters yet? Managed to put together that group of investors yet?
    It’s all blah blah blah all the time. You don’t even live here anymore and let’s face it, your job is to follow your much more successful wife around. So why don’t you give it a break with all of the “Jersey Sucks” diatribes and grows few?
    BTW your ex girlfriend from Texas who used to whip out her drivers license and call it her passport wasn’t cool. She was an immature tool. Stop idolizing her.

  182. Ex poster says:

    BTW almost all information is now online. Many people work from home via the Internet. Much cell service was down as well as Internet and cable. Without outside sources of information, people without power or heat could be a town away from a shelter without knowing it. They may have not known what conditions were like outside of their immediate area especially if downed wires have them cut off. They would not have known help was on its way and been scared and isolated. But of course they are just whiny brats waiting for a handout. Got your government cheese for your middle class toy trampoline yet? Really that bored?
    Where are the real men? Not Chester PA it seems.

  183. Mikewaited says:

    WOW! the Ex Poster unload.

  184. Mikewaited says:

    Essex if you are going to hard wire go all the way to the box , run more things. How big is the generator is the thing.

  185. Essex says:

    188. It’s a nice one. Yeah we went to the box and room for more stuff as well. Gotta love it! Came with about 8 gallons of gas.

  186. Essex says:

    Already turned it off for the night. This thing aint over yet.

  187. Essex says:

    181. Make him a peanut butter and banana sandwich. Tell him it was all Elvis woyld eat. He’ll love it.

  188. NJGator says:

    Gary – no riots at the Exxon on 46W just past Valley. Stu drove right up at 8:45…no wait.

  189. Mikewaited says:

    stu going for late night fill up, OK that sounded like something bad.

  190. Mikewaited says:

    Gator there is always a riot somewhere.

  191. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    [187] Essex,

    I think I’m being stalked. He must have gone all the way back to dig up crap I had forgotten. I’m not sure I would do that much background work unless I was being paid for it.

    Except for something about Hannity; I don’t watch the news networks at night so I couldn’t tell you what Hannity says. Perhaps he’s stealing my stuff.

  192. Essex says:

    195. It happens. Trust me. Been there. Best trolls though are a little perverse.

  193. Essex says:

    Hannity has a schtick. It’s aimed at a solid 80 IQ.

  194. Comrade Nom Deplume with power and fuel says:

    [196] sx,

    You saying I’m not perverse enough?

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