Zombie Go!

From the Record:

‘Zombie’ houses in foreclosure can sit vacant and haunt neighbors for years

On Wilson Avenue in Wayne, a shady street of well-kept homes, the wood contemporary at No. 96 stands out. It’s been empty for years, thick moss grows on the roof and, neighbors say, water from a broken pipe flooded the interior and poured down the street several years ago.

On Berdan Avenue in Fair Lawn, a piece of black tarp hangs off the roof of a brick Cape Cod, and two dead evergreens stand sentinel at the front steps. Get close to the house and you’ll catch a whiff of mold.

On Cumberland Avenue in Teaneck, weeds grow through the patio behind a vacant brick ranch; inside, paint is peeling off the walls in sheets.

Neighbors call these homes eyesores. Real estate experts have another name: “Zombie” houses — homes in foreclosure that stay empty and neglected for years.

A decade after the housing market began its slide into the worst downturn in generations, New Jersey still has about 4,000 homes left empty because of foreclosures, according to RealtyTrac, which follows the foreclosure market nationwide. That’s about 6.2 percent of the total number in foreclosure in the state, higher than the national rate of 4.7 percent.

These abandoned homes are a headache for towns and neighbors. Under New Jersey law, the properties have to be maintained by the mortgage lender while they’re in the foreclosure process, but neighbors say the maintenance usually doesn’t go beyond mowing the lawn and making sure the doors are locked.

Visits to 10 vacant homes in middle-income North Jersey neighborhoods recently turned up places with cracked windows, fallen tree limbs, weeds growing through cracks in driveways, ragged shrubs and usually a notice glued to the front door — often from the property maintenance company hired by the lender. Many smell of mildew, signaling water damage inside. (However, most of the lawns had obviously been mowed.)

The number of zombie houses in New Jersey is higher than the national average because the state is still working through a backlog of distressed properties heading into foreclosure. According to the Mortgage Bankers Association, in the first quarter of this year, New Jersey led the nation in foreclosure starts as it continued to deal with the fallout of the housing crash. About 11.5 percent of New Jersey mortgages were either in foreclosure or late on payments in the quarter, compared with 6.5 percent nationwide.

New Jersey has been slower than the rest of the nation to get through the foreclosure crisis because here, as in about half of states, foreclosures go through the courts, which slows the process. New Jersey’s pipeline was further slowed about five years ago when state courts required the mortgage industry to answer accusations of trampling homeowners’ rights in the rush to evict.

These forlorn houses stand out among the neighboring homes, which are usually carefully maintained. Neighbors find them disheartening.

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111 Responses to Zombie Go!

  1. Mike says:

    Good Morning New Jersey

  2. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    Actions have consequences. It’s just too bad Montclair isn’t overrun with them.

  3. Amerigeddon says:

    Gonna pull the lever for Jill Stein. No double talk from her, and I like that she’s been arrested a few times. Her necronomics are Bernie-like in their complete naivete and stupidity, but the fact that she’s an honest soul weighs larger IMO.

    Also like that she’s not interested in continuing to wage perpetual war. These cop-killing nuts, and more coming down the pike just like them, are a big fallout of that policy.

  4. Amerigeddon says:

    plume (3)-

    I love that downtown PRM is still a vacant wasteland, now punctuated with the regular sound of gunfire.

  5. Amerigeddon says:

    Really, the best thing to do with zombie FKs is have the neighbors get together and burn them down.

  6. 30 year realtor says:

    #5 – Vacant wasteland? National chains and upscale stores and restaurants keep moving in. Hotel and other new construction going strong. Are we looking at the same place?

  7. GOP's broken (the good one) says:


    “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins & gets the nuclear codes
    there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization”

  8. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    I found a writer even more narcissistic than our beloved Fabian. I wonder if he appreciates the incredible irony of his entire piece. I’m thinking not.


    What I find interesting is that he holds himself out as an august professor of tax law. As a graduate of what many consider the most fcuking prestigious tax law program in the world (apologies to Sean MacGuire), I had to read the best of his class and I never heard of this guy.

  9. GOP's broken (the good one) says:


    How the world sees Trump

    % with no confidence

    Sweden 92
    Germany 89
    Australia 87
    UK 85
    Japan 82
    Canada 80
    China 40

  10. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    [8] twitiot

    Your ilk said the same thing about Reagan, Nixon, Goldwater ….

  11. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    [10] twitiot

    This the same world that gave Obama a Nobel Peace prize before he started drone killing and let ISIS move up from junior varsity? That world?

  12. GOP's broken (the good one) says:

    This pilot has been removed from flying pending our investigation.
    We are appalled by his threatening comments.

    We’re appalled by comments advocating harm to anyone.
    They do not represent United & we’re looking into the matter.

  13. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    [5] clot

    Would that it were so. But they haven’t run out of other people’s money yet.

  14. 30 year realtor says:

    Every week my team looks at 40 to 50 houses for upcoming sheriff sales in North Jersey. Very few of the houses we look at are vacant even compared to just 2 years ago.

    I have been told by the foreclosure unit in more than one NJ sheriff’s office that there are about 18 months left to the high volume of sheriff sales. They have been told by the judiciary to expect a dramatic decrease in new sales beginning in 2018.

  15. GOP's broken (the good one) says:


    Never forget that Mike Pence’s war on women
    led to an HIV outbreak in Indiana
    that required federal intervention.

  16. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    [16] twitiot

    So the so-called war on women lead to an increase in unprotected gay sex?

    Yeah, that makes sense.

  17. @Chrislhayes

    “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins & gets the nuclear codes
    there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization”

    Hey twitiot. Hows about we make a deal. When Trump gets elected and there is no nuclear war, you can no longer post anything. OK? Otherwise, shut the fcuk up you annoying simpleton.

    So do you really think George Wallace was a Republican, or are you trying to run from the sordid history of Democrat racism?
    11:54 AM – 12 Jun 2013

    George Wallace a Republican? nice try, but he was a Democrat. Try the truth next time.
    1:30 PM – 12 Jun 2013

  18. GOP's broken (the good one) says:

    Many Republicans are upfront about why they won’t attend the convention:

    They still don’t support Donald Trump.

    Perhaps most noticeably, past Republican presidents and nominees are not attending.

  19. nwnj3 says:

    There must be a strategy for selecting Pence though I’m not sure what it is. It doesn’t matter — the spiraling violence is going to send more centrist people running from Hillary.

    She’ll either have to denounce BLM as a hate group or lose a lose a segment of law abiding people. The current admin has done a great job fomenting chaos domestically and abroad and there will be a price to pay for that at the polls.

  20. grim says:

    I really have a gut feel that there is going to be an assassination attempt on Trump.

  21. “I really have a gut feel that there is going to be an assassination attempt on Trump.”

    Which might just get him elected if not successful.

    Then we can all watch as he launches nukes at Mexico when they refuse to pay for the wall. I’m investing in CEMEX.

  22. 1987 Condo says:

    #7..I’ll say, had lunch in downtown Montclair Friday, way overpriced and place was packed!
    New parking deck..packed…new hotel opening…traffic. etc.
    Seemed pretty vibrant…think Clot woke up in 1968…

  23. Amerigeddon says:

    Case- of the Case-Shiller Index- bought the farm over the weekend.

  24. Amerigeddon says:

    It’s gonna burn like 1968 this summer.

    Back to the Stone Age, Alice.

  25. 1987 Condo says:

    #26…I guess if you channel Jimmy Rogers (stagflation prediction since 1984)..you may be right but your QE predictions were off and your annual riots are always off…but I am sure one day you will be correct..

  26. yome says:

    8 years later: Case-Shiller National home Prices


  27. So will Plumpy’s wage inflation.

    Remember when someone farting in the Middle East raised the PPB of oil by $10. Today, a coup d’etat results in a 2% drop.

  28. Essex says:

    11. No, this is new territory. The ‘others’ had their handlers and the understanding that the GOP would support them if they stayed the course….this guy?

    He’s different….this is the first campaign won/lost on social media.

  29. grim says:

    In Clot’s defense, Bloomfield Ave is where restaurant investment capital goes to die.

    The restaurant turnover in Montclair’s downtown has got to be the highest of anywhere in NJ. Perhaps it’s because many see the area as an opportunity, and come in with a half-baked strategy and too much capital. Still, the turnover is very surprising. While many have been able to make it, successfully, the churn and burn is striking.

    In addition, many stores that were long-time fixtures were only so because they owned the buildings. There were (are) many businesses on the street that would never be successful paying market-rate rents. When these guys shutter up, they are not replaced by quaint neighborhood businesses, because quaint can’t pay the rent.

  30. The only thing that seems to pay the rent are banks, hair salons and nail shops.

  31. grim says:

    Not to mention, south of Wellmont (Seymour) seems to be a dividing line, and if not Seymour, than Grove/Lackawanna. South end of Bloomfield Ave is very rough.

    I should have bought that building on Glenridge Ave. What an idiot to not.

    I remember looking at a 6 apartment building, think it was on Gates. Would have been an idiot to buy that.

    What’s the difference? About 5 blocks?

  32. grim says:

    There are restaurants that have burned well past a million bucks and never turned a dime of profit.

  33. Essex. I don’t know if I agree with you. It’s really not about the war chest any longer either. Trump spent nothing and took down all of those formidable opponents by simply blaming all of America’s ills on illegal immigration. There will always be an audience (of morons) willing to bite on this type of cheap bait. Also, abandoning many of the traditional core Republican ideals such as the never ending focus on religious crap and abortion provided a position on the right that was ripe for the taking. Trump is also a celebrity. Much like Hillary wouldn’t have amounted to anything if she had not once been the first lady. I would agree that social media is the new 6:00 news. But I don’t think Trump has embraced it at all and Hillary simply has no common sense. Her inability to hide her pandering may end up being her undoing.

  34. You do realize that Glenridge Ave is rapidly becoming an extension of Church Street. They want it to be a pleasant walk (and restaurant row) from the Avenue down to Bay Street. It’s already happening with Salute and Fin. Then when the Blackawanna Plaza is redeveloped into a luxury mini mall complete with 8 floors of apartments above with a combined municipal/police/commercial retail complex below, Glenridge Ave is going to be the premier road for retail in Montclair.

  35. grim says:


    “I should have bought that building on Glenridge Ave. What an idiot to not.”

  36. grim says:

    4 apartments and 2 commercial units.

    Money in the bank.

  37. xolepa says:


    In Flemington, a new micro-brewery is opening this month within Liberty Village. Really nice new building. Master brewer snatched from Dogfish is making the froth. I’m thirsty already.

  38. Essex says:

    Montclair….what a place. Amazingly expansive town.
    Has a lot to offer….someone.

  39. Essex says:

    Agree with the TrumpAnAlysis and as I have said before he is ‘different’ albiet not too different. We’ve know Donald a long time and he’s been singing the same tune. Let’s see if he has a plan here other than to simply send us a conservative agenda disguised as ‘safety and law and order’ yech.

  40. Juice Box digging his own grave says:

    Green Party only has ballot access in 23 states. New Jersey is not one of them.


    You can still write in her name.

  41. Yeah. Trump is actually further left of center than right. This too is attractive to many more centric supporters who believe in smaller government, but is completely disdained by party operatives. Shame the DNC embraced Hillary, but you knew they would. She represents the sh1tty status quo of the DEM party helping themselves and not so much their constituents unless it’s to maintain their voting base. It was outlined here months ago. Trump and Bernie were the protest vote. Hillary the status quo. Trumo doesn’t scare me at all, because I’ve witnessed his honesty and political positions for over twenty years on interviews during the Howard Stern show. He is no doubt a misogynist and an egoist, but he will build a wall like Obama closes prisons in Cuba. And he is not dumb. He is far from polished, but that seems to be what people want anyway.

  42. Essex says:

    42. Darwin–meets Honor Killin’

  43. In the end, Bernie gets the last laugh and the DNC pays for their clueless obstinate position. Can’t wait to see how many times Anon mentions Canada come the first Wednesday in November.

  44. Grim says:

    45 – these ideologies are so out of sync with western values its amazing.

    Sanctions on the whole Middle East until women have equal rights.

  45. D-FENS says:

    There was already if you count that kid that tried to take the officer’s gun at one of the rallies. He even rented guns and practiced at a range.

    grim says:
    July 18, 2016 at 8:50 am
    I really have a gut feel that there is going to be an assassination attempt on Trump.

  46. Grim says:

    No, I mean someone who gets off a shot or two and actually connects or almost nearly does.

  47. “Sanctions on the whole Middle East until women have equal rights.”

    For every woman who protests, there are 1000 devout Muslim women who agree with their death. Keep in mind. You are dealing with a religion that is not exactly assembling a military presence to end the caliphate.

    Good luck with that. Times, they are a changing. CHOP is overrun with women in burkas. Every time I enter the Ronald MickeyD’s lounge, there are four or five burka clad women who immediately close their flaps. Trust me…I’ve got less than zero interest in these plump arabs, even if they do make a mean falafel.

  48. D-FENS says:

    49 – Could happen. I don’t remember an election for president that’s ever been this tense in my lifetime.

  49. nwnj3 says:

    And Hillary took 10s of millions from the non Democratic governments of those countries to advance their causes abroad. Not sure how she’ll defend that either.

  50. Ford/Carter. I was six. But I remember the entire country was in a similar divisiveness right through 1980.

  51. Grim says:

    Battered wives usually defend their deadbeat shitbag husbands. Doesn’t mean they are right.

  52. A Home Buyer says:

    49 –

    Not really much of a prediction there.

    The left is painting him as the subjugator of the poor and downtrodden. The man who will banish all foreign nationalities and cultures from American Soil.

    Now even the coming destruction of Mankind through nuclear Holocaust, as Twitter Troll demonstrated above.

    That has to be really scaring the heck out of some liberal wack-nut somewhere. Of course if anything happens it wouldn’t be the poisonous rhetoric thrown around on both sides. It would be the easy access to firearms as there is no way mean words would inspire someone to hurt another. Only firearms have that ability.

  53. Essex says:

    This election will go down to the wire.

  54. libturd still chopping says:

    If I was HER, I would be taking saxophone lessons right about now.

  55. Nom – I thought Montclair was overrun with consequences:-0

    Actions have consequences. It’s just too bad Montclair isn’t overrun with them.

  56. D-FENS says:

    It’s not really “throwing your vote away” either. There are certain thresholds for polling and votes…if they are high enough for the Green party, or any other party for that matter, they stand a chance of getting federal campaign funds…or being eligible for future debates.

    Juice Box digging his own grave says:
    July 18, 2016 at 10:34 am
    Green Party only has ballot access in 23 states. New Jersey is not one of them.


    You can still write in her name.

  57. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You better believe it! lol

    Libturd questioning the gender of Hillary’s Cankle fluid. says:
    July 18, 2016 at 9:12 am
    So will Plumpy’s wage inflation.

    Remember when someone farting in the Middle East raised the PPB of oil by $10. Today, a coup d’etat results in a 2% drop.

  58. Trump only has to win over two very biased groups to make this the biggest landslide ever:

    1. Politicians in his party.
    2. The Media.

    Think about that. Clinton already has both those groups 100% supporting her and she’s still looking like a possible loser.

  59. I still hope Palin blows every cheesehead she needs to such that Ryan loses his primary.

  60. Not Plumpy’s wife. Of course Plumpy only batters her with social media posts and text messages about inflation.

    Battered wives usually defend their deadbeat shitbag husbands. Doesn’t mean they are right.

  61. I’m pretty sure she only plays double-reed instruments;-)

    If I was HER, I would be taking saxophone lessons right about now.

  62. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    [58] expat

    I was staying on topic. Of course Montclair deals with many of its own consequences. Not enough if you ask me

  63. [16] twitiot and anybody with an hour to kill – Listen to elitest, rich, liberal mental midget fcuktard Gavin Newsom get ripped to shreds, here you go (highly recommended, just play it in the background like radio, I’m sure you’ll enjoy it):



    Never forget that Mike Pence’s war on women
    led to an HIV outbreak in Indiana
    that required federal intervention.

  64. GOP & FOX are broken (the good one) says:



    Rupert Murdoch and sons decide to remove Roger Ailes from Fox News amid harassment probe

    – NY Magazine

  65. BTW, has “Hands up, Don’t Shoot!” been replaced with “I’ve got a gun, Don’t Shoot!”?


  66. Shouldn’t there be a “Glocks for Books” trade in program?

  67. GavinNewson…Drunk, cheater and the next governor of California. He certainly has the credentials.

  68. There were only 8 teachers in the top 500 highest paid teachers in NJ who came from Montclair. Glen Ridge had one. Hmmmm.

  69. Mike says:

    73 The article says prices will recede as more new homes come online, but didn’t Grim post an article the other day about a construction worker shortage? It might be awhile.

  70. Juice Box digging his own grave says:

    Two teenagers playing Pokemon Go late at night in their car in Florida were shot at by a householder who mistook them for burglars, police say.

    The man said he shot at their car after they refused to stop when he challenged them on Saturday. They were not hurt.

  71. Essex says:

    72. the Ridge is too cool. Those taxes should cover one hell of an education. Methinks.

  72. Whoops. It’s not too late for the Donkeys to add axe control to their platform, right?


  73. Essex says:

    Chaos briefly engulfed the floor of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland on Monday as “Never Trump” delegates from multiple states urged for a roll-call vote on a measure that would have unbound delegates.

    Delegates opposed to Donald Trump erupted in anger after the chair of the convention found “insufficient support” for a vote that would allow Republican delegates to become “unbound,” which would permit them to vote against Trump.

  74. Grim says:

    Like a coup?

  75. Here’s a youtube video from the Baton Rouge cop killer:


  76. Fabius Maximus says:

    #45 previous thread 3B
    Congratulations you were right on Brexit and I was wrong. I am still trying to work out parts of why. But a lot of people who liked the idea of leave are back pedaling. If it actually happens, will be interesting to watch.
    I was wrong about Trump winning the nomination. I thought he would be gone by Super Tuesday. I came in here and admitted it. If I am wrong about this election and Trump wins, I will come in here November 9th and you can say what you like.
    I have my criticisms of Clinton, but they are minor in comparison of my criticisms of Trump. They also seem to minor in regard to the hatred (and I don’t use that word lightly) that some in here, have of her. I supported John Roberts in 2008 and have been happy with O even though he wasn’t my choice.
    With Hillary, I did not like “CP Time” it was racist and stupid. I did not like the flip flop on coal to appease the WVa Miners. The email server was stupid, but not the worst thing in the world. And getting drunk with the Secret Service in South America was a mistake. That aside, I think she will make a great president.
    When it comes to the campaigns, Hillary’s machine has not really put a foot wrong. Trump is a dumpster fire. I keep hearing that Oh look how he crushed it in the primaries and how with Twitter and the Internet, he does not need to run a conventional campaign. Today we have his team having a go at Kasich. A very popular governor in a state you CANT win without.
    Last time I looked getting to 270 hasn’t changed. And as I pointed out to Joyce a few months back. Primaries are delegates and the general is the Electoral College. The GOP have had a very hard time in past few cycles, threading the needle to win both.

  77. Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    Mets vs. Cubs or RNC?

    Let’s go Mets!

  78. Fabius Maximus says:


    There are so many facets to this I don’t know where to start. But how about here. Baton Rouge started with a report of a man walking over a bridge with a assault rifle on his shoulder. Dallas video of the shooter is painful to watch.

    For me two things need to be addressed. Mental health in the miliatry and the control of assault rifles. We are moving beyond Fort Hood, where the musl1ms are blamed. There is a very real issue here where the NRA and the 2nd amendment crowd need to step up.
    Ohio is an Open Carry state, my prediction (God, I hope I’m wrong), is that it will not end well there.

  79. The Great Pumpkin says:
  80. 3b says:

    82 fab some were back pedaling due to the scare tactics employed after the results of the referendum. Which have receded now that the reality of brexit has set in and guess what it won’t be the end of the world. As for the rest of your post well what can I say the email server was no big deal!! Seriously?? You just brush it off!! So no I don’t think she will make a good president for that reason among others. It’s sad that those on the left with a few exceptions cannot admit that Hillary as president is just as repugnant as trump as president.

  81. Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    The left won’t admit it because I think they buy her bullsh1t progressiveness. I think they also believe that they are getting another 4 years of Bill Clinton much like the Right thought W would be another four years of his dad. The left conveniently ignores that she was repeatedly cheated on and stood by her man (weakness). That she was on the Walmart board. That over 30% of every dollar given to the Clinton Foundation goes to pay for the Clinton Foundation. That the secretary of state does not know the proper use of email and especially emails containing confidential material. And the permanent and intentional deletion of the bathroom server which was installed by two major campaign contributors. Then there’s her failed healthcare initiative when Bill was in power. She truly has a track record of failure.

    I applaud Flabby for his honesty and ability to debate intelligently. But I simply don’t see anything great about Hillary. I see someone who panders to the highest bidder. I see someone who lost to Obama after being anointed the first time around. I see someone who ran an incredibly dirty and unfair race against Bernie.

    I don’t see much in Trump in either, but I see some potential leadership in him which I do not see in her. Plus the progressives have made this country too soft. Enough with the quality of life krap already. If Trump hijacked the Democrat Primary, the DNC would applaud his progressive past. But Trump was extremely clever to go where the pickings were easy.

    Hillary is a terrible nominee. Sorry. But it’s the truth.

  82. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    I didn’t realize things were so dire for anon. I thought of him when I saw this. Very touching.


  83. Fabius Maximus says:

    #9 Eddie Ray,

    Sorry I can’t pass up the fast balls, I just have too swing and hit them out of the park.

    “As a graduate of what many consider the most fcuking prestigious tax law program in the world”
    A very narcissistic statement and interesting, that in the same post you rail against the narcissism of the author of the article.

    Irony indeed!.

  84. Essex says:

    Hillary is uncomfortable and makes others feel uneasy.

    That’s a huge issue.

  85. Fabius Maximus says:


    Ok, lets deal with the email server. Remember back in 2008 when O got elected and wouldn’t give up the Blackberry. He said the Gvmt IT “make it work” and they did. That was the definition of the 2008 version of, BYOD.

    Fast forward. Hillary wants to use her own email server. The onus here is for Gvmt IT to make it work, or shut it down.

    As for the 30,000 missing emails from the server. Here’s a point I don’t hear discussed. If the information was classified, it came off a gvmt server. Why not look at the sending systems for the information. Also if Clinton.com was such a security risk, why was traffic allowed to be sent to it.

    There may be a genuine security issue here, but its not with Hillary. If you want to raise he11 on this issue, you have to look elsewhere.

  86. Fabius Maximus says:

    #87 lib

    ” ignores that she was repeatedly cheated on and stood by her man ”

    Again, this is victim blaming and I will leave this to Gator to address, if she chooses.

  87. Wrong. You can create a classified document out of whole cloth. Back when I held US Secret and NATO clearances I would frequently create something utilizing classified information that I had in my head. I was required to take that work product to the security office and obtain a “C number”, have it labeled and then handle it appropriately.

    If the information was classified, it came off a gvmt server.

  88. Fabius Maximus says:

    #95 Expat,

    Excellent, an expert. So how do you see the information in your head ending up on Clinton.com. Describe that path! I assume you would not have up loaded direct?

    This should be fun and enlightening.

  89. libturd still chopping says:

    I have not once witnessed a marriage succeed after a partner cheats on their spouse. Except in the house of Clinton. Gator and I have discussed it. If you need to cheat, you should not be married. It’s not fair to your spouse or your children. And if your spouse is dumb enough to forgive that ultimate bond of trust, then you married down. Way down. You have to be a child of a broken home to understand this. You obviously are not.

  90. libturd still chopping says:

    Why did Hillary NEED a private server? Do you or I need/have one?

  91. [96] This is not rocket science (though I was a rocket scientist). If you know something classified, like “Person X will do Y on this date”, writing that in an email makes that email classified and it should be designated with C brackets within that email. That instantly becomes a classified document at the moment that you typed it. If that information is US Top Secret, then you just created a US Top Secret document. I worked with message formats that were classified for as little as one bit that was set to either a zero or a one. The whole document was classified if it showed the value of just that one bit, for example. When it comes to classified information there are always two basic acid test rules. To have that information in your possession you need to affirmatively have two things be true:

    1. Clearance at the same or higher level as the information in question.
    2. Need to know.

    It is a security violation to communicate that information to anyone who doesn’t also meet the same criteria.

  92. Fabius Maximus says:

    #97 Lib,

    My parents divorced in 77 in my formative years, so yes I do understand this. For me, this is off limits in a political campaign. The only point it becomes relevant, is if a candidate is campaigning on a Family Values platform,

    As for Hillary, I will again point you towards Kathy Lee Gifford.

  93. Fabius Maximus says:

    #98 Lib,

    No idea, I do have some friends with their own. Grim, do you have one on njrereport.com or are you just forwarding?

    Again, how was it allowed?

  94. Fabius Maximus says:

    #99 ExPat

    Again, how did it leave the secure gvmt network to an unsecured (alleged) server.

    You can describe how it should be handled, but the the question is, how was it handled?

  95. Fabius Maximus says:

    Colbert is the funniest thing in Cleveland


  96. joyce says:

    “He said [to] the Gvmt IT “make it work” and they did.”

    Are you encouraging or just defending government officials breaking the law because they said so?

    “… or shut it down.”

    Are we supposed to believe that subordinates are going to eagerly disobey and turn in their superiors? No responsibility on the individual at all. Shocking. I’ve heard this logic before… it’s usually from a judge declaring that ignorance of the law IS an excuse for cops, both the individual who broke the law and the thin blue line for protecting / not turning someone in.

  97. secure land line, private in-person conversation. I think everyone gets this except you.

    #99 ExPat

    Again, how did it leave the secure gvmt network to an unsecured (alleged) server.

    You can describe how it should be handled, but the the question is, how was it handled?

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