C19 Open Discussion Week 7b

From News 4:

At Least One-Third of New York, New Jersey Residents Had Someone in Their Home Laid Off: Polls

Two polls released Monday offer new perspective into the far reaching impact of the coronavirus pandemic in New York and New Jersey.

Since the beginning of the pandemic’s grip on the region, millions were forced into unemployment as the result of business closures or dramatic declines in revenue as people were encouraged to stay inside their homes. 

Monmouth University poll found that 42 percent of New Jersey residents has had someone in their home lose their job. Broken down by income, the Monmouth researchers say 35 percent have a household income under $50,000, while an additional 34 percent earn between $50,000 and $100,000.

“Many New Jerseyans are just starting to feel the financial pinch, but these results suggest the economic impact will be much more widespread and particularly damaging to lower income families here than in other states,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

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369 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 7b

  1. grim says:

    From CBS:

    Exasperation Grows Over Delays Trying To Sign Up For Unemployment, ‘People Have No Food, People Are Talking About Suicide’

    Many New York and New Jersey residents are losing hope, and are out of cash.

    Adam D’Aleo has listened to the New York Department of Labor’s “we are experiencing high call volume” recording more times than he can count.

    “It’s embarrassing, I remember it,” D’Aleo said.

    When he was laid off at the beginning of April, he filed for unemployment benefits online. Every time he logs in, he gets this notice: “To complete the claim, call the claims center.”
    “It’s like calling into a radio station for, like, the 100th ticket, to be the 100th caller to get that ticket to see the concert. That’s what it is when you’re calling into the New York State Department of Labor,” D’Aleo told CBS2’s Jenna DeAngelis.

    He went on Twitter and got a response from the Department of Labor telling him he was put on a callback list.

    “Yes, I’m waiting for this call. but I don’t even know how this call is going to go, which is also another hurdle within itself that I’m nervous for,” D’Aleo said.

    People DeAngelis spoke to want more answers from Cuomo and Gov. Phil Murphy, who Monday couldn’t answer why the unemployment site went down Sunday, impacting people like Maria Matos.

    “Yesterday I tried to file between 8 and 9 in the morning. I couldn’t because the line was down. Checked every hour, the line was down all day,” said Colonia, N.J. resiednt Maria Matos.

    “People can’t go six and seven weeks without money. You just simply can’t,” said Michelle Izzi.

    Izzi created a Facebook page called #NJUnemploymentPandemic to help all those in need, including herself, get some answers. She’s one of more than 850,000 New Jersey workers who have filed for unemployment since March 15.

    “People have no food. People are talking about suicide,” Izzi said. “We’re literally begging you, sir, please come out of your ivory tower, come down here in the trenches with your people and actually see what’s going on, answer us.”

    “This will make… this will not make anyone feel any better, but we are leagues ahead of virtually every other state. But there’s still a backlog. I know folks are still frustrated. You won’t lose one penny, I promise you, including of your federal plus,” Murphy said.

    The New Jersey Labor Department has distributed $1 billion in unemployment since mid-March.

    How long will people have to wait for their share? That’s the question which remains unanswered.

  2. leftwing says:

    Re: Beaches closed and shore for residents only….

    From the link in the article referenced….

    The disease in Ocean County has a median death age of 79.8 years old and only 2% of deaths occur in adults aged 44 years and under.

    Totally worth destroying people’s lives and wealth, many times accrued over generations….because, yeah well, gotta protect all those 80 year sunbathers and Boardwalk roller coaster riders…

    When the smoke clears and the 44 and under crowd realizes what really happened some politicians are going to be rightfully swinging from trees.

  3. grim says:

    Shore for residents only will never fly, sorry. Good luck with that load of bullshit.

    NJ residents, statewide, have invested more than a billion dollars pumping sand to build those beaches over the past 3 decades. We own them by virtue of having created them, and maintained them. Proximity is irrelevant.

  4. grim says:

    Wonder if Trump can open Sandy Hook, that would be a hoot.

  5. grim says:

    We’re going to need to start breaking down the mortality by age data by whether or not the individual was in a long-term care facility.

    Just by virtue of 49% of NJ deaths being in this category, I suspect a good number of those younger deaths were sick individuals in hospice/nursing care.

    Unfortunately, that doesn’t fit the mythology of sars-cov-2 being an indiscriminate killer.

    You can say I’m crazy for suggesting this, but it was a common part of the dialogue in the early days of the outbreak, and NJ’s response clearly missed any protections for this vulnerable class.

    How many stories did you hear about healthy 30 and 40 year olds that were being killed by this disease?

  6. leftwing says:

    Grim states yesterday 49% of C19 deaths occur in nursing homes.
    The link below shows that 95% of deaths occur in people aged 50 or older.

    Let’s repeat…..95% of deaths occur in those aged 50 or older and unhealthy, of which a majority are located within the four walls of old people warehouses.

    So the big picture view…We threw 25 million people out of work, contracted GDP by over 20%, shuttered innumerable livelihoods, stopped the careers of millions of graduating college seniors dead in their tracks before they even began all because……a disease that afflicts fat unhealthy middle aged men and the elderly, most of whom were already quarantined within the confines of four walls before the virus even hit.

    Two conclusions:

    The above high level stats render all the micro-discussions yesterday of masks, cough radii, business openings, etc moot…and….

    The political party that can effectively frame for the 44 and under crowd the wild mismanagement and overreaction to these very clear conditions and risks wins 2020 hands down.


  7. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    The idea yesterday of giving student loan borrowers cash is an interesting one. I’m against the idea in general but to very recent graduates in certain conditions makes a little sense. At least as far as bailouts go.

    Another idea I haven’t heard floated but I wouldn’t be surprised to hear mentioned is a mandatory retirement age. I’m hearing of boomers who are comfortable and still working but have no interest in returning to the workplace. They’ll retire first. Time for them to make way.

  8. grim says:

    I continue to hear from nurses at long term care facilities that getting PPE was impossible, because it was all being purchased and diverted to hospitals. NJ state government was not providing PPE to nursing homes. Because of hoarding and diversion, the most vulnerable front like workers, and their patients, were put at risk.

  9. grim says:

    And still NJ continues to miss the point.


    I’m sorry, it’s terrible that your loved one is in a facility. I understand the emotional distress they are under.

    But you should not, can not, and must not visit them. There can be no exceptions, otherwise what’s the point? Isn’t that what we’ve all said? Why are these people being given a pass?

    Visitors should absolutely not be permitted in these facilities, this is a travesty that will end in disaster. It’s already ended in disaster. Covid will burn through these facilities like wildfire.

  10. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    That’s what you call a dilemma. The fearmongering certainly didn’t help. If they could have gotten more realistic projections they might have been blue to allocate supplies more efficiently.

    But glad to see pa is moving toward reopening. Their businesses near nj will get a big boost because of our total lockdown stance.

  11. grim says:

    What’s the estimate on when NJ employment fund will run out? Interesting in that bloomberg piece, they say that CT only has 9 weeks left.

    Given that we continue to see significant week over week increases, I can’t imagine there are enough reserves to continue to fund this.

  12. grim says:

    Found the answer, 12 weeks, likely less if unemployment continues to increase at the current rate.

  13. leftwing says:

    Want a national policy for C19 based on facts and logic?

    If you are under 54 and healthy go about your regular everyday business as was usual pre-C19 with the understanding that (1) you may get sick and die, however, that chance is so minute that you are 8x more likely to die in an automobile accident, and (2) there is a 200x or better chance the virus will pass through you unnoticed or with flu like symptoms.

    If you are 65 or older, and especially if you are 75 or older or have health issues, stay home. Stay isolated. Practice safe quarantine procedures. If you can’t follow these instructions you personally own any adverse outcome. Funding and care should be focused on accomplishing these goals for this group.

    If one of your ass cheeks is as wide as most people’s waist follow the advice for the elderly. Also, stop stuffing your face with thousands of calories daily of carbohydrates and saturated fats, start exercising, and lose weight. If you can’t follow these instructions you personally own any adverse outcome. Funding and care should be focused on accomplishing these goals for this group.

    See? Don’t need 25 million unemployed, to saddle millennials with $4 TRILLION of additional liabilities, and strip millions of Americans of their wealth. Easy-peasy.

  14. Walking says:

    We are seeing the same situation with prego patients. It would be so much easier to have them deliver in an environment limiting outside potential of infecting mom and baby. But everyone places their needs above others.

    As for opening beaches and parks, not so fast. Summer months bring a whole host of disease with the mosquitoes -Zika, West Nile. Lock your doors, close your windows.

  15. grim says:

    Look at the bright side, at least anti-vaxxers will shut the f8ck up for a while.

  16. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    We set up an elective appt yesterday with a pediatric for May. Time to start balancing well being with precaution.

  17. ExEssex says:

    “… If one of your ass cheeks is as wide as most people’s waist follow the advice for the elderly…”

    You just described the popular singer Sia and billionaire Kylie Jenner.

  18. Hold my beer says:

    Your Christmas bonus this year will be you still have a job.

  19. leftwing says:

    OK, apologies for the multiple rapid postings but last night I stopped focusing on all these micro-issue distractions like who may cough on whom and looked at the bigger picture and was floored. I’ll slow down in a bit but here goes…

    The shrill and extreme response to this focused outbreak ranks among the greatest misuse of government resources and power in this nation’s history.

    Fun macro fact for today……

    The mortality rate for those age 44 and under is 0.00001.

    Yeah, that’s not a typo. 1,562 deaths. 198,000,000 population.

    Source: CDC numbers nationwide. (I double the deaths as there is a lag due to the detailed reporting standards at the CDC which has their numbers running at about half of current reports, Table 2).

  20. Deadconomy says:

    Anyone else starting to see that this is like the Great Depression in the short term? Hopefully this doesn’t match the Great Depression long term.

    The irony in a generation that went through 3 massive hits (dot com/9/11, 2008 crash/housing crisis, and now the 2020 virus) in a 20 year span being called snowflakes by the boomers. Meanwhile boomers were getting homes with one income and no college degree or debt that comes with it. What a bunch of pussies for calling this generation “snowflakes.”

  21. Fabius Maximus says:

    At this point we need to pivot to food supply. Meat packing plants shuttered, so that will back up to the animals in the field. Farmers can sell livestock and may not be able to carry the holding cost.

    Commercial crops are being ploughed over as as the restaurants are closed. Milk is getting dumped at collection. The restaurant demand that used to be there is now pushed onto the supermarket supply chain. That is holding for the moment, but for how much longer.

    Food banks and suicide support services need to be a priority.

    Donnie needs to turn into Mr Wimpy working out how to pay next Tuesday for a hamburger today. That should be in his Wheelhouse.

  22. Deadconomy says:

    We supported boomers for a long time. Appreciate it. We had to pay for higher home prices so you can bank. We had to pay higher college costs to create a bunch of jobs for you. Step up, and start giving back if you are a wealthy boomer. Don’t give it all to only your kids.

  23. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    keep the government the hell out of the food supply

  24. ExEssex says:

    A group of scientists, billionaires, and Nobel Prize winners is hoping to use its connections to the Trump administration to stem the US coronavirus outbreak, The Wall Street Journal reported Monday.
    The group, which calls itself “Scientists to Stop COVID-19,” has put together a four-stage proposal on how to develop treatments, fast-track a vaccine, and eventually reopen industries in the US safely.
    It’s unclear if the proposal has made it to the president’s desk or if it is being considered by members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, which is leading the US’ coronavirus response.
    The proposal comes as several US states are beginning to ease their lockdown restrictions despite the mounting number of coronavirus cases in the US.

  25. ExEssex says:

    9:11 mmmm kay. Boomers spend it all baby. Screw the kids.

  26. Deadconomy says:


    You just don’t get it. Even if the govt didn’t shut the economy down, you would still be in the same situation, yet most likely worse. People would have started staying home on their own, and it would have been much more chaotic than it already is. Just my two cents. There was nothing that could be done here, this was a black swan event that punched us in the face.

  27. walking says:

    The old monetary riddle of getting our economy going:

    It’s a slow day in some little town……..
    The sun is hot….the streets are deserted.
    Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit.

    On this particular day a rich tourist from back west is driving thru town.
    He stops at the motel and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night.
    As soon as the man walks upstairs, the owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
    The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer.
    The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill at the feed store.

    The guy at the Farmer’s Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her services on credit.
    She, in a flash rushes to the motel and pays off her room bill with the motel owner.
    The motel proprietor now places the $100 back on the counter so the rich traveler will not suspect anything.

    At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, picks up the $100 bill, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money & leaves.

    NOW,… no one produced anything…and no one earned anything…however the whole town is out of debt and is looking to the future with much optimism.

  28. Juice Box says:

    re: shortages.

    Millions of animals will need to be killed without being turned into food.

    Why not let them roam free?

  29. leftwing says:

    More fun with numbers……

    $4 trillion of liabilities is being put upon the 58% of the population which has a 0.0008% chance of expiring from this outbreak.

    Any public official supporting continued shutdown of the economy should be put against the wall and shot for treason. If I were a millennial I would be ripsh1t with these over controlling, preening governors and the shrill MSM pushing this agenda.

    (Source: CDC numbers from previous link, 190.8 million Americans aged 44 or under, 327.1 million total population, 1,562 deaths in under 44 age cohort)

  30. Yo! says:

    grim 8:24am – big issue here thank u 4 highlighting. Nj residents been paying $3b+ per year income tax to Albany. Going to be a cage match for this $$. My bet favors NY tax collectors.


  31. leftwing says:

    “The old monetary riddle of getting our economy going…”

    walking, thanks for the chuckle…

    Bet the motel owner would have settled for a hummer from the hooker though lol.

  32. Fat Fast Eddie says:


    Donnie needs to turn into Mr Wimpy working out how to pay next Tuesday for a hamburger today. That should be in his Wheelhouse.

    What will Joe do when he’s elected?

  33. Yo! says:

    Should NJ politicians fight for NJ resident earners to pay tax to Trenton instead of Albany? Of course yes but they are too incompetent or stupid to do it.

  34. Hold my beer says:

    Juice box

    Probably because releasing million of domestic pigs would cause massive damage to the eco system. Wild hogs already damage crops and land and out compete native species.

    Plus mingling domestic species with wild ones increases the chances of another pandemic as viruses already can jump from domestic chickens, ducks, and pigs to people.

  35. Juice Box says:

    Assault and murder rate has to be way way down for those under age 44 too.

    Year 2017 emergency department visits for assault: 1.7 million and 17,284 murders.

    I wonder how these stats are going to change..

    Deaths Stats from CDC year 2017

    All causes . . 2,813,503
    1 Diseases of heart . 647,457.
    2 Malignant neoplasms . .599,108
    3 Accidents (unintentional injuries) . . 169,936
    4 Chronic lower respiratory diseases . . 160,201
    6 Alzheimer disease . . 121,404
    7 Diabetes mellitus . . 83,564
    8 Influenza and pneumonia . .55,672
    9 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis . . 50,633
    10 Intentional self-harm (suicide) . . 47,173
    11 Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis . . 41,743
    13 Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease . . 35,316
    14 Parkinson disease . .31,963
    15 Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids . . 20,108
    … All other causes . . 561,920

  36. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Millions of animals will need to be killed without being turned into food.

    Why not let them roam free?

    Think about the deer problem we have. In my area, conservationists estimate that the deer population is 20 times what a healthy natural population should be. This has catastrophic effects on the biodiversity along the woods. In the county park by me, they tried planting 500 trees in a certain area. The deer took them all out.

    When I was working on a farm, a deer somehow jumped our electric fence and plowed through 500 strawberry plants in a single night.

    Hawaii had a major problem and was quickly overrun with cattle. They had no idea how to deal with it and had to bring in cowboys to alleviate the problem. Pigs in the wild can be really nasty. The domesticated ones are not much of a problem. Wild pigs grow nasty tusks.

  37. JUice Box says:

    beer – I was thinking adoption. Every house could have their own family farm.

  38. Juice Box says:

    At least until we are back to normal anyway. No need to slaughter….adopt!

  39. Juice Box says:

    USDA to the rescue for the animals and the food banks….

    USDA to help livestock producers move animals

    04.28.2020By Erica Shaffer
    WASHINGTON – The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) of the US Department of Agriculture plans to establish a National Incident Coordination Center to provide direct support to livestock producers who cannot move animals to market as a result of processing plant closures due to COVID-19.

    Several major meat processors, including Tyson Foods Inc., JBS USA and Smithfield Foods Inc., announced temporary plant closures as workers began testing positive for COVID-19. As a result, producers have had limited options for processing their animals. Some producers have been forced to cull animals.

    “Going forward, APHIS’ Coordination Center, State Veterinarians, and other state officials will be assisting to help identify potential alternative markets if a producer is unable to move animals, and if necessary, advise and assist on depopulation and disposal methods,” the agency said.

    “Additionally, APHIS will mobilize and deploy assets of the National Veterinary Stockpile as needed and secure the services of contractors that can supply additional equipment, personnel, and services, much as it did during the large-scale Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza emergency in 2015.”

    Earlier this month, USDA announced plans to purchase and distribute up to $3 billion in fresh produce, dairy, and meat products. USDA’s Agricultural Marketing Service (AMS) expects to procure an estimated $100 million per month in fresh fruits and vegetables, $100 million per month in a variety of dairy products and $100 million per month in meat products designated for food banks and other non-profits serving Americans in need.

  40. leftwing says:

    Juice, keep an eye on the CDC data I posted.

    Table 1, column 4 shows what you are looking for, the Percent of Expected Deaths. It is the total deaths reported nationwide by week in 2020 compared to the number of deaths in the same week during 2017-19.

    Through 3/7 the US in total was running a lower death rate from all causes, about 96% of that 2017-19 baseline.

    That stat is slightly interesting in light of recent news that infections may have started in mid-January.

    Note again with the CDC there is a time lag, in this case about eight weeks so relying on any data newer than 3/7 is not advised.

  41. Juice Box says:

    I expect to see an increase in Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis, Diabetes mellitus, and Intentional self-harm (suicide).

    Perhaps more than all the covid19 deaths combined.

  42. Fabius Maximus says:

    “What will Joe do when he’s elected?”

    Start fixing the country the same way O did when GWB ran the economy into a wall.

  43. leftwing says:

    Shame about that NYC ER doc who went to VA with her family and then took her own life.

  44. leftwing says:

    “Start fixing the country…”

    Right now I want the government that does abso-fcking-lutely NOTHING.

    Keep your greedy, incompetent little hands off Americans and let the people do what they do best…providing for themselves, their families, their communities. Politicians produce less than all the parties in walking’s tale combined. Stand down and get out of the fcuking way.

  45. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    beer – I was thinking adoption. Every house could have their own family farm.

    My friend’s neighbor has a chicken that roams free. He goes into his flowerbed and reeks havoc. My friend just sits outside all the time with the hose. If you brought chickens to my neighborhood, the hawks and foxes will make short work of them.

    About 50% of pet owners have no control over their pets. I’d hate to see how they handle livestock.

  46. Juice Box says:

    Deblasio at it again, at least he is term limited and will be gone soon.


  47. Fabius Maximus says:


    The Anti-Vaxers are getting their arguments validated. Its not on them to protect the vulnerable.

    Scroll up and you find. [If you are vulnerable]” Stay isolated. Practice safe quarantine procedures. If you can’t follow these instructions you personally own any adverse outcome. ”

    Maybe we get peanuts back on planes. If you have an issue,bring your EPI or don’t fly.

  48. 30 year realtor says:


    All your ranting this morning begs a question. What would the economy and healthcare system look like had nothing been done to abate the virus? There appears to be no accounting for this in your reality.

  49. Mike says:

    Merck Will be shutting down all New Jersey except Rahway

  50. Fat Fast Eddie says:


    I see. More food stamps and entitlements for all. I tried numerous times applying for benefits on the government website after Oblammy got elected but was denied. At least I was burning up resources. What good is a protest, it doesn’t abuse the system directly! When Joe gets elected, I’ll try again except this time, when they ask for demographics, I’m registering as a pseudo transgender in transition, suffering from anxiety and an inferiority complex, unable to work full time because of depression.

  51. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Pigs in the wild

    Is that a p0rn film? ;)

  52. Juice Box says:

    Social promotion for NYC School kids next year.

    De Blasio said a priority is making sure that all seniors who were poised to graduate do so.

    The mayor pledged help for any student that needs it.

    Deblasio outlined new grading standards:

    For students K-5, the new grading standards will be either “Meets Standards” or “Needs Improvement”

    For middle school students, there will be three grades: Meets Standards, Needs Improvement and Course In Progress

    High school students: There will be traditional grades and grade point average, but there’s also an option for students to choose to have a “passing” grade instead of a traditional grade. If they need more time, there will be a Course In Progress designation


  53. Mike says:

    Merck’s Kenilworth site is prime property right off the Parkway

  54. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    No report Joyce. He does admit you need a balance between preventative controls and opening the economy. He does give a timeline of 12-18 months which I think is correct.


    We decided to watch Foxnews last night for a change. Between First Alert and My Pillow commercials, not a single mention of Trump for over an hour. Lot’s of Biden though.

    CNN can’t stop talking about bleach. You would think they were the dry cleaner channel.

  55. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    CNN can’t stop talking about bleach.

    When do they mention Tara Reade and the #metoo movement?

  56. Juice Box says:

    Merck’s Kenilworth site (former former Schering-Plough HQ) is where their CEO has been landing his helicopter for the last 10 years commuting from his farm in PA.

  57. leftwing says:

    “There appears to be no accounting for this in your reality.”

    I love how the Left argues counterfactuals when it suits them but when used to question policies of the Left they have this confused dog look on their faces…

    In answer to your question, all my posts this morning derive from one conclusion evaluating the data…this virus is a huge nothing burger for anyone 54 and under and healthy.

    And I did not advocate doing nothing, I advocated common sense. We knew from Day 1 the vulnerable populations. As I stated very clearly, quarantine them.

    So, the shortest speculation possible on your counterfactual…

    Economy. Much better. Literally could not be much worse, and given the overwhelming majority of workers are in the under 54 cohort most commerce could function among healthy working age adults.

    Health Outcomes. Much better. Resources – care and money – needed to be directed to the quarantining at-risk populations. Quarantining young cohorts is ridiculous. The number of people age 19 and under with no underlying conditions that have died of this virus nationwide is in the single digits. SINGLE DIGITS.

    Isolating the at-risk populations – one would think standard procedure in these situations – and letting others go about their business would have had zero negative health effect and arguably better outcomes (alllowing authorities to focus on reducing deaths in grim’s nursing homes).

    Still, in the face of this obvious and now extensive data our idiot governor continues to have LEOs harass two teenagers throwing a football in a lot across from their home while the elderly continue to drop like leaves in nursing homes. The level of incompetence is just mind boggling.

  58. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    Pigs in the wild sounds like a euro woke documentary film about an average American family breaking quarantine .

    Will debut at Cannes next year.

  59. Fabius Maximus says:


    “When Joe gets elected, I’ll try again”

    That would imply that you’ve been laid of or will be laid off shortly. I hope its not the case. I would not wish that on anyone.

  60. joyce says:

    You’re right, shuttering an unthinkable portion of the country is a reasonable inconvenience.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    April 28, 2020 at 10:18 am

    The Anti-Vaxers are getting their arguments validated. Its not on them to protect the vulnerable.

    Scroll up and you find. [If you are vulnerable]” Stay isolated. Practice safe quarantine procedures. If you can’t follow these instructions you personally own any adverse outcome. ”

    Maybe we get peanuts back on planes. If you have an issue,bring your EPI or don’t fly.

  61. Mike says:

    Merck will probably make Rahway the new Headquarters

  62. joyce says:

    Nice interview. He stops short of using the phrase herd immunity. Not sure why that phrase has become taboo (even Sweden won’t use it). It’s the only thing that can get us passed this. How to achieve it is obviously up for debate.

    “Bringing them back into society in a more normal way is exactly the kind of thing that will actually slow this virus transmission down eventually to those who are at the highest risk.”

    Expanding on that, Dr. Osterholm says that if 20%-30% of the population is infected and recovers, they will be immune to the virus and will be able to slow transmission down.

    NYC ?

    Libturd, the Master Beta says:
    April 28, 2020 at 10:29 am
    No report Joyce. He does admit you need a balance between preventative controls and opening the economy. He does give a timeline of 12-18 months which I think is correct.


  63. 3b says:

    Roubini has a very bleak article in MarketWatch this morning. Basically according to him the 2020 decade will be bad, real bad across the board.

  64. joyce says:

    Dr. Osterholm, an expert, disagrees about masks.

    30 year realtor says:
    April 27, 2020 at 5:09 pm
    Regarding masks, the purpose is to protect you from me infecting you via droplets. To catch my sneeze or cough and prevent spread. This is not about me wearing a mask to prevent you from infecting me. It is designed to create a culture in which we all wear masks and it is normal. This is why a modified tee shirt or a bandanna is sufficient. It is only to catch droplets.

  65. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Even guys like Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesotta, who is probably the most distinguished academic on this subject says that it’s not just about saving lives but saving society and our way of life. Real discussions need to take place. As he put it, make no mistake about it, we are in a war and a war has casualties.

    You can’t just lock down people for 4 months and expect that to be the best outcome. It’s a silly solution. This summer, we basically have one shot to get things up and running and producing PPE, testing, reagents, and god knows what else on a large scale so that we can avoid a total shutdown come this fall.

    I think it’s funny how economically, people have been screaming about the how the 99% are victimized by the 1%. Well…now it’s the opposite, and you are ok with that. There are people who did no wrong in this who have died…and that sucks. But seriously, lifetime smokers, people who are obese? You’ve been told your whole life you will die from those things and now there’s a good chance it comes true.

    I’ve sacrficed my health the past few years to work OT way too many nights. It came a great cost to my health. I only got 5 hours a sleep a day max. And I really was’nt able to exercise due to nagging injuries. Usually it was closer to 4. My body started breaking down the past couple of years from it and I actually went through 2 6 month stints in Physical Therapy. I’m fully healed now and the first thing I made a priority when March 15th hit was to get in better shape as I can no longer work out of school. Walking, riding a bike, yoga, pushups. If its friggin raining, I’m still walking 5 miles a day. I’ve already lost 5 pounds and probably should lose another 10 to be in peak shape. If I do get the Wuhan virus, I want my RBC count to be as high as possible and my blood pressure to be low.

    We should be having real discussions about how we allow this to run through the population while simultaneously protecting those that are vulnerable. Right now, it appears the right is hellbent on everything being open and the left is hellbent on everything being closed. This is silly.

  66. chicagofinance says:

    The reason for all is climate change.

    Yoenis Cespedes stepping in a hole after being attacked by a wild pig => climate change.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    April 28, 2020 at 9:09 am
    At this point we need to pivot to food supply. Meat packing plants shuttered, so that will back up to the animals in the field. Farmers can sell livestock and may not be able to carry the holding cost.

    Commercial crops are being ploughed over as as the restaurants are closed. Milk is getting dumped at collection. The restaurant demand that used to be there is now pushed onto the supermarket supply chain. That is holding for the moment, but for how much longer.

    Food banks and suicide support services need to be a priority.

    Donnie needs to turn into Mr Wimpy working out how to pay next Tuesday for a hamburger today. That should be in his Wheelhouse.

  67. chicagofinance says:

    We should put Greta Thunberg in change of our Wuhan Virus response.

  68. 30 year realtor says:


    All those “facts” are based upon data from a society that has been under stay at home and social distancing orders. Why do you presume they apply to the circumstances you advocate for?

    As an example meat packing plants in areas not under stay at home orders have been closed by management due to staffing issues due to illness. They cannot be the only businesses similarly impacted. There is a shortage of long haul truckers due to illness as well.

    Hospitals in many areas have been overwhelmed due to the number of admissions. Without measures to slow the spread of the virus there would be a shortage of healthcare workers. There are reports of widespread consequences to non covid related healthcare due to the impact of covid.

    I don’t care what your politics are. What I care about is recognition that this issue is very complicated and that your simplification ignores the consequences of what you advocate.

    Have to give Pumpkin credit for being the first person here to state that this would have been an economic disaster whether measures were taken to slow the spread or not.

  69. Fat Fast Eddie says:


    Lol. A film so edgy that it generates deep discussion! I’m working on being woke, it’s such an advanced term!!

  70. joyce says:

    Social distancing was about slowing the rate of transmission. Why would lessening restrictions materially change outcomes for those once infected?

  71. JCer says:

    BRT what town do you live in? Your description of the deer is very apt, way too many and they eat everything in sight, except the invasive weeds. I too have the foxes and hawks, I can’t imagine trying to have chickens. I thought it was the wildlife area near me that caused this, I was under the impression in most of suburbia it was just squirrels and chipmunks…..

  72. Libturd says:

    Dude behind me is building a chicken coop for eggs. I give him and his chickens three months before he gives them away. A close friend of mine growing up lived on a farm. Loved sleeping over there (besides the rooster) mainly for breakfast. Nothing like unprocessed milk and bacon plus eggs that were so fresh, you could really tell the difference. Plus this was all free range. Just a small family farm that ran a produce stand with small amounts of eggs and meats. My friends now a mortician and his parents sold the land for condos. But not before they got the developer to build a behemoth house on a 4 acre plot in the future development. Those were the days.

  73. Hold my beer says:

    I’m so looking forward to a fried chicken run on Friday . Haven’t eaten out since March 14th. Have deep fried nothing while at home to conserve my cooking oil supply. I have learned to make baked steak fries that are pretty good. Cut about 6 fries per russet potato, add a few tablespoons of canola oil, and a few teaspoons of garlic powder, onion powder, turmeric, paprika, and some salt. Roll them all around in a big bowl then bake dice 25 minutes at 450, turning them after 15 minutes.

    I’ve been trying to make at least one new dish a day to maintain whatever amount of sanity and brain cells I have while sheltering in place. This morning made Jamaican corn porridge. Was actually good.

  74. Juice Box says:

    RutRoh for Biden.

    1:04 AM – Apr 28, 2020

    I’m aware of the new developments in Tara Reade’s accusation against Joe Biden. I want Tara, like every other survivor, to have the space to be heard and seen without being used as fodder. I hear and see you, Tara. #MeToo

  75. leftwing says:

    Nationwide, over 13,000 people aged 24 and under die in automobile crashes each year.

    Nationwide, 248 people aged 24 and under have died of C19. (CDC data annualized, all cases with and without co-morbidity)

    If you are 24 or younger you are 52x more likely to die in an auto crash than from C19.

    Just sayin…..

  76. Fat Fast Eddie says:


    RutRoh for Biden.

    Stop it! It’s a right wing cabal! We need Joe to replace the orange one so that he can save the country like O did!!

  77. joyce says:

    There’s usually a phrase like “reasonably believed to be infected” in most statutes that deal with quarantining/curtailing rights during a health crisis.

    Maybe we should go back to the discussion from 2 months ago. Does the government even have the authority to do what they’re doing to people with no symptoms and no evidence they’ve been around infected people?

  78. Libturd, the Master Beta says:


    You nailed it. Politics are once again getting in the way of solutions. It’s gotta be either the far right narrative (this is a mild flu) or the far left narrative (this is the Armageddon). Of course, both sides know it’s something much closer to the middle. Oh those cursed words.

    As for Tara Reade, there’s no double standard that I see. Both Biden and Kavanaugh are guilty as sin. So what’s the right’s point here? What the narrative is hell bent on calling a double standard is completely misidentified. It’s actually a contradiction. If you want to claim double standard, then either both are guilty or both are innocent. But Fox viewers were never really known for their intelligence now were they? :P

  79. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    Truth be told, I hope Biden fails. He’s worse than HRC. Put in any of the final five others and the contest is over for the sarcastic one.

  80. leftwing says:

    “Social distancing was about slowing the rate of transmission. Why would lessening restrictions materially change outcomes for those once infected?”

    Thank you Joyce, exactly.

    30yr, your analysis is a little off point and won’t hold up statistically.

    Off point, because I use death as the endpoint. I totally agree many people are getting ill and there are absences from work. I am not arguing – and do not believe you would attempt to – that the endpoint regarding C19 is eradicating it entirely as an illness? Good luck there.

    Statistically invalid…see Joyce above. Also, the data set is large enough from both confirmed cases (n=1.0 million) and deaths (n=57,000) that it is virtually impossible statistically to skew the conclusions on death rates. Basically, ten thousand people in their forties and younger would need to die en masse in the next two weeks with no elder deaths. Both assumptions are ridiculous.

  81. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    Left Wing,

    Yes this thing kills Boomers. But you keep ignoring that non-boomers that get infected can give it to them.

    Yes, isolating them is a great plan. Perhaps it should be done instead of experimenting with eating UV light or injecting bleach. Nah, let’s reopen everything with no PPE or even a discussion on proper defense. I’m sure when the numbers spike, Trump will blame it on one of three things. This decision was taken out of context. It was sarcasm or hope. Or most likely, it was the state’s fault. THEY made the decision.

  82. leftwing says:

    “Nah, let’s reopen everything with no PPE or even a discussion on proper defense. I’m sure when the numbers spike…”

    I really don’t know what it is with everyone’s reading comprehension today….

    I didn’t imply the following, I stated it specifically:

    Isolate the at-risk groups and focus the funding and care to that endpoint. WTF is so hard to understand?

    If you are cold, you go inside. If you are getting wet in the rain, you get an umbrella. If you are in one of the two easily identified groups at high risk from C19, you isolate and quarantine.

    It really is that simple. We’re not splitting the fcuking atom here.

  83. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    BRT what town do you live in? Your description of the deer is very apt, way too many and they eat everything in sight, except the invasive weeds. I too have the foxes and hawks, I can’t imagine trying to have chickens. I thought it was the wildlife area near me that caused this, I was under the impression in most of suburbia it was just squirrels and chipmunks…..

    Lawrence Township, Mercer County. Most of those invasive weeds come from Asia (go figure) and have no wildlife to keep them in check. The deer eat all the local foliage. What most people don’t realize is that most of the deer each year starve to death. With no predators, they are completely out of control. They do a crossbow hunt for 6 months 3 blocks down from me. They take out about 120 deer a year and still can’t slow them down. It doesn’t matter. One of the deer took out a 6 foot apple tree of mine. Ate every single leaf on it.

    It’s actually amusing to read up on Hawaii and their wild cow issues they had. The cows literally took over the island and they had no ability to stop them. They brought in cowboys from Mexico who set up ranches and they still operate to this day.

    Australia had the same problem with rabbits. One guy brings in 20, and 2 years later, there are 2 million all over the island and destroying everyone’s crops. Still to this day, the rabbits cause havoc in Australia.

    I have a friend that has chickens. He turned his property into a vinyard. He fenced about a 1/4 acre of his property off to protect them. The fox literally climbs the fence, and slaughters 20 in a single day. Since then, he’s had to electrify the fence.

  84. leftwing says:

    To make an analogy to demonstrate the foolishness of our approach….

    Grandma is cold, everyone has to go inside and turn on the heat. Grandpa is standing in the rain, everyone has to purchase and stand under an umbrella.

    Yeah, that makes sense as the best way to keep our grandparents warm and dry….SMH

  85. Juice Box says:

    John Stossel has an interesting segment about a protein his brother discovered Gelsolin a natural protein to reduce inflammation, it could be a game changer in Covid19 treatment.


  86. joyce says:

    Let’s do town by town checkpoints.


    “First we are going to target the Pennsylvania and New York license plates,” he said. “Then we will (ticket) anyone else who is from outside the area.”

  87. joyce says:

    How are the at risk groups worse off if we ask only them to quarantine and provide a support system?

    Libturd, the Master Beta says:
    April 28, 2020 at 11:56 am

    Yes this thing kills Boomers. But you keep ignoring that non-boomers that get infected can give it to them.

  88. JCer says:

    makes sense BRT, I live in suburban essex county, which is why the wild life is so unusual. The deer are walking sacks of meat, they will allow you to get awfully close. If the sh*t hits the fan regarding meat it shouldn’t be to hard to kill some deer.

  89. 3b says:

    Deer do not like lavender.

  90. AG says:


    I couldn’t agree more. It won’t just be politicians. Add bill gates and countless others to that list

  91. Yo! says:

    Chopper use a long Merck exec way of getting around. Many bosses have commuted to NJ from out of state using the Merck helicopters. Rahway has helipad so bosses can commute there with ease.

    Interesting how Merck sold Hunterdon HQ for $25 million after spending $500m building it in 1990s. Top 5 NJ real estate bad deal ever, maybe #2 after Meadowlands Mills-Xanadu-American Dream.

  92. Fast Eddie says:

    Nancy said Joe brings values & integrity! He is a voice of reason & resilience who will fight for the people! There you go… no more Covid-19 and economy back on track.

  93. ExEssex says:

    NEW YORK – After the 2007-09 financial crisis, the imbalances and risks pervading the global economy were exacerbated by policy mistakes. So, rather than address the structural problems that the financial collapse and ensuing recession revealed, governments mostly kicked the can down the road, creating major downside risks that made another crisis inevitable. And now that it has arrived, the risks are growing even more acute. Unfortunately, even if the Greater Recession leads to a lackluster U-shaped recovery this year, an L-shaped “Greater Depression” will follow later in this decade, owing to ten ominous and risky trends.
    The first trend concerns deficits and their corollary risks: debts and defaults. The policy response to the COVID-19 crisis entails a massive increase in fiscal deficits – on the order of 10% of GDP or more – at a time when public debt levels in many countries were already high, if not unsustainable.
    Worse, the loss of income for many households and firms means that private-sector debt levels will become unsustainable, too, potentially leading to mass defaults and bankruptcies. Together with soaring levels of public debt, this all but ensures a more anemic recovery than the one that followed the Great Recession a decade ago.
    A second factor is the demographic time bomb in advanced economies. The COVID-19 crisis shows that much more public spending must be allocated to health systems, and that universal health care and other relevant public goods are necessities, not luxuries. Yet, because most developed countries have aging societies, funding such outlays in the future will make the implicit debts from today’s unfunded health-care and social-security systems even larger.
    A third issue is the growing risk of deflation. In addition to causing a deep recession, the crisis is also creating a massive slack in goods (unused machines and capacity) and labor markets (mass unemployment), as well as driving a price collapse in commodities such as oil and industrial metals. That makes debt deflation likely, increasing the risk of insolvency.
    A fourth (related) factor will be currency debasement. As central banks try to fight deflation and head off the risk of surging interest rates (following from the massive debt build-up), monetary policies will become even more unconventional and far-reaching. In the short run, governments will need to run monetized fiscal deficits to avoid depression and deflation. Yet, over time, the permanent negative supply shocks from accelerated de-globalization and renewed protectionism will make stagflation all but inevitable.

  94. ExEssex says:


    A fifth issue is the broader digital disruption of the economy. With millions of people losing their jobs or working and earning less, the income and wealth gaps of the twenty-first-century economy will widen further. To guard against future supply-chain shocks, companies in advanced economies will re-shore production from low-cost regions to higher-cost domestic markets. But rather than helping workers at home, this trend will accelerate the pace of automation, putting downward pressure on wages and further fanning the flames of populism, nationalism, and xenophobia.
    This points to the sixth major factor: de-globalization. The pandemic is accelerating trends toward balkanization and fragmentation that were already well underway. The United States and China will decouple faster, and most countries will respond by adopting still more protectionist policies to shield domestic firms and workers from global disruptions. The post-pandemic world will be marked by tighter restrictions on the movement of goods, services, capital, labor, technology, data, and information. This is already happening in the pharmaceutical, medical-equipment, and food sectors, where governments are imposing export restrictions and other protectionist measures in response to the crisis.1
    The backlash against democracy will reinforce this trend. Populist leaders often benefit from economic weakness, mass unemployment, and rising inequality. Under conditions of heightened economic insecurity, there will be a strong impulse to scapegoat foreigners for the crisis. Blue-collar workers and broad cohorts of the middle class will become more susceptible to populist rhetoric, particularly proposals to restrict migration and trade.
    This points to an eighth factor: the geostrategic standoff between the US and China. With the Trump administration making every effort to blame China for the pandemic, Chinese President Xi Jinping’s regime will double down on its claim that the US is conspiring to prevent China’s peaceful rise. The Sino-American decoupling in trade, technology, investment, data, and monetary arrangements will intensify.

  95. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    “How are the at risk groups worse off if we ask only them to quarantine and provide a support system?”

    They are not and it’s a decent plan. But that’s not what the left or right are planning or doing. The right is out to kill everyone in danger. The left is out to kill the economy. Both to prove a point.

    As for the Tara Reade thing. The evidence so far, IMO, is pretty flimsy compared to Kavanough’s case. None the less, I support her allegations. We’ll have to say if any ally of Biden’s flies off the deep end and pulls an immature Lindsey Graham.

  96. joyce says:

    People freaking out that Texas is about to open “some businesses at 25% capacity”.

    While California is “weeks away, not months, from loosening some restrictions” which is okay-ish.

    Are the next few weeks the difference between all clear and apocalypse?

  97. homeboken says:

    Lib says “As for Tara Reade, there’s no double standard that I see. Both Biden and Kavanaugh are guilty as sin. So what’s the right’s point here? ”

    The point here is – there were hundreds, if not thousands, of VERY vocal Blasey-Ford advocates. The #metoo movement really crystallized around her and it dominated the news headlines for weeks. CNN literally authored more than 700 posts/segments to the issue.

    With Biden – You have a much bigger name, seeking a much more dominant position and the same folks that used to be the loudest, are now dead silent.

    I know hypocrisy exists on all sides. But the lack of coverage here when viewed in the post-Kavanaugh lens, is disgusting to me at least.

    I have sons and a daughter. The idea that rape accusations can be totally fabricated and believed OR they can be completely dismissed if your rapists is in the right political party is the problem.

    See, its really Tara Reade’s fault. She should have been raped by a republican.

  98. AG says:

    ”Fights between full-time residents, second-home owners and regular Shore visitors have erupted on social media sites normally filled with photos of Shore sunsets or sale notices from local businesses.

    A sign appeared at the foot of the Route 72 bridge from Stafford to Long Beach Island: “Bennys: Go Home. Locals: Stay Home.” Benny is a derogatory term many permanent residents of the Shore use to refer to visitors.”


  99. ExEssex says:

    You whiny bleating bitchez will kneel before Zod.

  100. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    Homeboken. Both evil parties do the EXACT OPPOSITE of each other. I honestly don’t see any viability in your argument.

    You can’t defend Kavanaugh and not Biden. Much like you can’t blame the left-wing media for behaving like the right-wing media.

    Think about it.

    A non-biased fact-based news service would be nice. Too bad they don’t exist. And I would still argue that CNN is less biased than FOX. Do they both deceive? Absolutely! Though poking holes in Carson Tucker’s lies are like shooting a fish in a barrel. At least when CNN goes Left, you have to think a little to find the deception. :P

    Regardless, I can’t stop thinking about how much I need Giza bed sheets, must sue every one I’ve ever been in contact with, must secure my computer through a monthly subscription and pay extra to FOX to find out the even bigger lies behind the even bigger conspiracies.

  101. joyce says:

    Murphy just can’t help himself. He announces the NJ reopen commission one-by-one but has to pause and throw a bone to the unions.

  102. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Lol, these TDS people. From the metoo standard this Biden thing is a disqualifier. There is an accusation and contemporaneous corroboration. He was in a power position above her. That’s a closed case.

    When does the next one come out?

  103. homeboken says:

    Lib – This chart lays out the amount of time each of the major news networks (save FNC) spend on the Reade allegation.

    Remember – This allegation is levied against a guy running for President. The allegation alone is news. Too ignore it so blatantly is a really bad look.

    Look – Biden, just like every accused person has rights to defend themselves. I also 100% believe that we are all presumed not-guilty and the burden of proof lies solely on the accuser. But this is just flat out criminal how this is being handled.


  104. joyce says:

    Ben Bernanke is on the NJ reopen commission … maybe we will get The Bank of New Jersey after all ?

  105. ExEssex says:

    1:37 puleeeeaze. You love Pvgrabber Trump cause his cahoñez.

  106. libturd says:

    Home it’s a shame both sides take sides and don’t broadcast news fairly. The center doesn’t sell ads.

    Quite honestly, serving on the Supreme Court may be just as powerful of a position if not more then POTUS. Though, IMO, the power of the position doesn’t matter. It would be just as bad if a Congress janitor did the same thing. It’s simply never acceptable.

  107. Libturd says:

    Let me look how much he contributed to Murphy.

  108. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Blue angel and thunderbird flyby was epic. Chose the right spot. Direct flyover.

  109. Libturd says:

    I watched it from my lawn. I could see them, but they were too far away to be impressive. I’ve been to the AC airshow a million times, so I know how cool it can be.

  110. JCer says:

    Lib I’m sorry the Kavanaugh accusation was credible? Her story was full of holes, she couldn’t remember exactly when or where this happened, she told no one, so no one could corroborate her story. No one could even corroborate the existence of the alleged party. There was no evidence or testimony other than Blasey Ford’s and there obviously was a large political motive. Furthermore there was no pattern of behavior that can be established. Most people committing assault aren’t doing it once it is a pattern of behavior especially if they are getting away with it. Think about this for a minute any crazy woman could make up a crazy tale and accuse you, I’ve known people who have had this happen to them. There wasn’t even circumstantial evidence against Kavanaugh.

    I’m not saying the Biden accusation is necessarily better but it will play out. Already we have other’s corroborating that she had told them about it in 1993. We have a call into the Larry King show which at least hints around the circumstances. Yes there is a political reason for this as well. So far this accusation has more legs than similar ones made against the orange buffoon. For the record I think it’s entirely possible Trump has assaulted women, it just isn’t the people who accused him.

  111. Juice Box says:

    Censorship is now a Pandemic

    Seems Youtube removed the video of the doctors that Elon Musk tweeted. Over 5 million views.

    Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Messihi of Accelerated Urgent Care.

  112. Deadconomy says:

    30 year nailed it…sorry Joyce and lefty, you lose. Stop comparing Sweden to us. Joyce, you for one, always bust balls for cherry picking, yet here you are…

    If we can’t even keep open our meat supply line or shipping supply line, why would you think it wouldn’t apply to anything else. We need those, yet not enough workers to do it, and the govt didn’t say for them to shutdown.

  113. Juice Box says:

    Kiss of death for Biden? Hillary to endorse him today.

  114. Deadconomy says:

    Those pigs will be crying come summer if the bennies don’t show up. So selfish. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you..

    AG says:
    April 28, 2020 at 1:22 pm
    ”Fights between full-time residents, second-home owners and regular Shore visitors have erupted on social media sites normally filled with photos of Shore sunsets or sale notices from local businesses.

    A sign appeared at the foot of the Route 72 bridge from Stafford to Long Beach Island: “Bennys: Go Home. Locals: Stay Home.” Benny is a derogatory term many permanent residents of the Shore use to refer to visitors.”


  115. Juice Box says:

    3PM folks so line up now!!!!

    “special guest” at Biden’s town hall today is none other than that Golden Gal from Chicago..


  116. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    This also opens up the sh1tstorm of the idea that the shore towns don’t have their own high schools and send their kids to other towns. I spend 10 years on the Jersey shore. I have to say, the locals there were so miserable when it came to visitors. They would just complain left and right about it. But they took it even a step further. Whenever I walked my dog through Ocean Ave in, Manasquan, every single person who’s property I walked by would say “you know you can’t take your dog on the boardwalk”. I would always be taking her to the dog beach there which was a crappy piece of land that fed into a river. It got so annoying that I used to reply back “where is the boardwalk?”. “It’s one block that way” as they point towards the ocean. This would really piss them off. I would say, “looks more like a driveway, where are the boards?”.

  117. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    She’s painful to listen to.

  118. Fast Eddie says:

    And that Fargo-esque accent makes me shutter. I can’t stand it. She has zero charisma, too. It’s no shock that she wasn’t elected.

  119. chicagofinance says:

    Biden was a sitting Senator at time….. Kavanaugh was a minor…. it fits Biden’s pattern of behavior too…… in addition, look at Biden’s kids….. apple doesn’t fall far….

    Libturd, the Master Beta says:
    April 28, 2020 at 1:26 pm
    Homeboken. Both evil parties do the EXACT OPPOSITE of each other. I honestly don’t see any viability in your argument.

    You can’t defend Kavanaugh and not Biden. Much like you can’t blame the left-wing media for behaving like the right-wing media.

    Think about it.

  120. Fabius Maximus says:

    So Donnie has to be forced to invoke DPA for ventilators, but if there is a chance he cant get a cheeseburger, he is screaming for the Sharpie to sign the EO.


  121. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Biden just wiped his mouth and then wiped his eye! Wait, now he’s drinking water!! LOL!!

  122. Juice Box says:

    Biden looks like he can’t keep his eyes open. Hillary is running this live-stream.

  123. Juice Box says:

    Defense Production Act aka Bacon Protection Act

  124. Fat Fast Eddie says:


    At one point, it looked like he nodded out. So far, she’s spoken for 20 minutes, Biden for 3 minutes.

  125. Libturd says:

    We all know Biden it at his best when he is not there at all.

  126. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Dude, I turned it on 5 minutes ago and I’ll I heard from him is “yep”.

  127. Fabius Maximus says:

    Go ahead and investigate Biden. Let me know if a James OKeefe type shows up in a Pimp Suit.

    With Kavanaugh, there was no testimony or evidence as the WH shut down the investigation. The FBI were restricted in what they could or could not look into.

    Also no comments on Donnies 25 so far?

  128. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Is she campaigning?

  129. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Joe addressing violence against women. LOL!!! Maybe Tara Reade can weigh in on this one.

    I like this one: FEMA – Federal Emergency Management “Organization”.

    LMAO — The LBG.. ugh.. the LGBG community… LOL!!!

  130. ExEssex says:

    Biden can literally watch Trump implode and step over his bloated corpse in November. Good times!

  131. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    I just clicked out, can’t listen to the drone any longer. It reminds of those days way back when where we partied all night long, people are nodding out and there’s an infomercial rolling at low volume on the TV. You can sort of hear it through the daze but you have no idea what they’re hawking.

  132. grim says:

    Ive been saying this for more than a week… I have had dozens of nursing homes reach out to me at the distillery asking to buy any quantify of hand sanitizer they could. I’ve had nurses and doctors literally begging for us to give them sanitizer. I can tell you the first nursing home to reach out to us was in Teaneck, ground zero.


  133. Hold my beer says:


    You can’t mess with a man’s burger.

  134. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Experts are trying to figure out why the virus is disproportionately hitting certain communities harder than others. Let me know if you have any questions:


  135. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Are the wipes and gels still in short supply? Haven’t checked.

    I’ve been using denatured alcohol from the paint dept in a spray bottle. One of the few things the heard didn’t move on.

  136. Hold my beer says:

    Wipes are a supply chain issue. Ingredients for them com from China and shelves are unlikely to be back to normal till July or August


  137. Juice Box says:

    If you need Bleach go to the pool store. They have it in stock it’s 12.5% strength instead of the usually 6% so use 1/2 as much.

  138. leftwing says:

    To: The dumbass liar previously known as Pumpkin now masquerading as Deadeconomy who, under that name, in an earlier thread established a whole new series of lies about where grew up before his new identity was outed.

    From: Me

    Ok, you stupid fcuk….I am addressing you after three years of ignoring you and requesting that you do the same because you are literally one of the dumbest individuals in this State – which says a lot – and because you yet again called me out by name…

    Here goes……I am AGREEING with you, dumbass.

    You have spent endless hours on here whining like some bound b1tch getting pounded from behind with a ball gag in her mouth about how people like you have been screwed by events over the last two decades, particularly by the boomers.

    I agree. Those economic events, however, were less controllable than the economic events of C19. The economic catastrophe that is C19 is 100% self inflicted, and serving up overwhelming pain wildly disproportionately on the 45 and under crowd for no discernible incremental benefit to the boomers…it is a crime…literally these governors are setting on fire wheelbarrows of your future earnings and savings just so the boomers can…watch? The end result has zero incremental benefit to the boomers while wildly fcuking over anyone under the age of 45.

    So, see? I’m SUPPORTING you, ya dumb fcuk. It’s probably a waste of time even typing this, I mean what can I expect from someone who sources material from USA Today, advocates penny stocks, and has his Abbott students openly mocking him on social media.

    Anyway, there’s one for you. I support the Pumpkin’s position as it relates to C19 spending and the transfer of wealth from millennials to the boomers yet again. Whoda thunk?

    Of course, you’re too fcuking stupid to realize it, which I guess is just icing on the cake.

  139. Hold my beer says:

    Smoke em if you got em?

    25% of French smoke, but only 5% of corona patients in the hospital are smokers. French doctors think it might be nicotine reducing the intensity o9f cytokine storms.


    Anyone here predict smokers would be better off? I thought they would be much worse off.

  140. Libturd says:

    Come on leftwing, don’t be so easy on that fool.

    I still can’t get over how perfect his nickname was. The dude really is Linus, the Peanuts philosopher that somehow doesn’t realize that’s he’s way too old for a security blanket or to believe in Santa Claus (the Great Pumpkin). It doesn’t matter how many of his peers tell him how stupid he is for his beliefs, he is so convinced he is right that he returns to the field year after year. In this case, the field is stupid ass market predictions such as wage growth and roaring 20’s 2.0. I wonder how that trademark copyright is going?

  141. leftwing says:

    lol, yeah, I can get on a roll when I have too much screen time during the day.

  142. leftwing says:

    Grim, you still selling hooch or is it all hand sanitizer these days…..

    just picked up some small batch vodka and I could really use more stock and a ride out of the neighborhood….

  143. Phoenix says:

    “Think about this for a minute any crazy woman could make up a crazy tale and accuse you, I’ve known people who have had this happen to them.”

    Women lie.

    Just ask any guy who went through a divorce…

  144. grim says:

    We are giving away all the sanitizer for free. We’re going to be somewhere around 10,000 bottles soon.

    We are bottling spirits like crazy.

  145. Juice Box says:

    Micheal Moore -The Left has levelled a “furious attack” on Michael Moore after the filmmaker released a documentary on Youtube castigating “the green energy scam”, according to Sky News host Andrew Bolt.

    Good watch.


  146. Deadconomy says:


    We agree that it’s the younger generations being sacrificed. Where we disagree is on the idea there is not much that could have been done. Unless we willingly accept letting people die, we couldn’t risk the hospital system being overrun. When the hospitals would have been overrun, people would have became frightened of getting sick themselves and the economy would have been in worse shape then it is right now. Could you imagine if we had concerts, sporting events, and schools going….it would prob get ugly fast.

    I don’t know the answer, but I know we are not Sweden.

    You are a smart dude, but you can be wrong once in a while. I agree with you in principle, but no way the country would turn a blind eye to on with business as usual.

  147. grim says:

    We did a lot, but we clearly did not focus on protecting the most vulnerable in society.

    Elderly, elderly with co-morbidities, and especially those in nursing homes, hospice, or assisted living.

  148. crushednjmillenial says:

    Good article on COVID frontlines linked below. Meshes with some of the discussion here – the patients are flatly elderly or sick (obese, etc.). The 57-year old nurse contracted COVID, was sick for a week and then recovered enough to get back to work.

    All signs are pointing, in my opinion, to our nation’s shutdown being far overdone. It was sensible, ex ante, given the uncertainties surrounding this disease in March, but for NJ parks and golf courses to still be closed today, April 28th, is frankly stupid. Thankfully, some States are re-opening.


  149. Deadconomy says:

    Hopefully, life will get back to normal by June. I need some sports.

  150. Deadconomy says:

    Whoever recommended that Korean zombie flick called “Kingdom,” thanks. First episode was slow, but a very good series.

  151. NJCoast says:

    Good on you Grim for donating sanitizer. Lairds distillery in Colts Neck is selling 1.75 liter bottles for $25.

  152. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The question is, does Denmark, Finland, and Norway catch up eventually? This could end up being the equivalent to ripping of a band aid or taking it off slowly. Basically, I think Sweden guaranteed themselves a large death rate. The other countries are trying to avoid it, but is it avoidable? Hindsight is always 20/20.

  153. Deadconomy says:

    Joyce, see what happens when you cherry pick to fit your bias?

    “You’d be forgiven for thinking Sweden had somehow found the secret to handling the coronavirus crisis without having to impose severe lockdowns.”


  154. Deadconomy says:


    Before busting my balls with roaring 20’s 2.0, at least admit I was correct till this virus came along. Am I supposed to be able to see a black swan event 7 years out? I made the right call on the fundamentals I deem worth paying attention to. Not my fault a black swan event leads to a govt shutdown of the economy. What matters; I called the strong labor and housing market when it seemed impossible. I nailed it. I even called the years, which is almost impossible. Piss on it all you want, I made some fantastic calls.

  155. Grim says:

    You want to know what’s stupid about NJ?

    The Governor and the ABC director won’t let distilleries take the kegged beer that is spoiling and distill it into alcohol to make sanitizer.

    A good number of us are working to supply the Red Cross – and are paying for fermentable product out of our own pocket.

    And the governor is making craft breweries dump beer down the drain.

  156. grim says:

    May or may not do some stuff with that BNB company.

    Word on the street is that tens of thousands of hosts – would be hoteliers – can’t make mortgage payments on their rental only properties.

  157. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Are those deaths per million? Deaths are .015% higher without the collateral damage? Unattended heart attacks, strokes, preventative medicine being deferred, higher depression, alcoholism. If so, no brainer to move to that model.

  158. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Murphy should take a step back. His rigid ness with regards to any reopening indicates to me he’s hit some type of exhaustion. He just went through cancer surgery to remove a tumor from his liver.

    This bunch of hacks he lined up to orchestrate the reopening is a mistake. Find two people at the most to do it. This group is going to bog the whole thing down and more it in politics.

  159. Juice Box says:

    Some good news….

    SEOUL, April 29 (Yonhap) — South Korean health experts said Wednesday that recovered coronavirus patients may have tested positive again due to traces of virus fragments that have been inactivated.

    As of Tuesday, a total of 277 people who recovered from COVID-19 have retested positive here, according to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC).

    The country’s central clinical committee for emerging disease control said there was no live virus present in such cases, positively refuting theories like the virus being reactivated or reinfection.

    They said that apparent reinfection cases came because fragments of the virus remained in their bodies and showed up in test kits.

    The country currently uses a reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test for the COVID-19 virus that works by finding the virus’s genetic information, or RNA, in a sample taken from a patient.

    The experts said this PCR test is so sensitive that it can still pick up parts of the small amount of RNA from a cell even after the person has recovered from COVID-19.

    “RNA fragments still can exist in a cell even if the virus is inactivated,” they said in a press release. “It is more likely that those who tested positive again picked up virus RNA that has already been inactivated.”

    Oh Myoung-don, head of the committee, said the cases in which people retested positive were due to technical limits of the PCR tests.

    The committee further said it is virtually impossible for the virus to be reactivated unless the COVID-19 virus causes chronic infections.

    “The COVID-19 virus does not invade inside of the cell nucleus and combine with a patient’s DNA,” Oh said. “It means that the virus does not create chronic infections.”

    Oh further said the COVID-19 virus is different from diseases such as HIV and hepatitis B in which the virus stays dormant inside of a cell nucleus and later causes chronic infection.

    Concerns have risen over chronic infections after several COVID-19 patients stayed in hospitals over two months before being cured.

    The country reported nine more cases of the new coronavirus Wednesday, bringing the nation’s total infections to 10,761, the KCDC said. It marked the 11th day in a row that the number of new infections stayed at 15 or below.


  160. Juice Box says:

    ‘A Bargain With the Devil’—Bill Comes Due for Overextended Airbnb Hosts

    For years, Cheryl Dopp considered the ding on her phone from a new Airbnb Inc. booking to be the sound of what she called “magical money.” A property she rented out in Jersey City, N.J., on Airbnb could gross more than $8,000 a month, she said, double what long-term tenants would pay.

    Now, Ms. Dopp associates the dings with cancellations and financial misery. The 54-year-old information-technology contractor said she had about $10,000 in bookings evaporate overnight in March. She has $22,000 in monthly expenses for a largely Airbnb portfolio, she said, that included another Jersey City home and a house in Miami.

    In her mind, the promise of more rental income offset the growing debt, she said. “I made a bargain with the devil.”


  161. Deadconomy says:

    Canadian housing market looks like it’s finally going to bust. It does have a habit of keep coming back when it looks like the bubble has popped, so hard to know for sure with that market. Anyone been following it?

    Should be some opportunities for investment properties in the USA. Idiots that were using their rental as a daily hotel room through Airbnb should be going under shortly. Also, some renters might take down their tenants that don’t have much room for missed rents.

    In the end, the rich will get richer, as they will be the ones in position to capitalize on taking advantage of these deals.

  162. Juice Box says:

    Little further down that article. Seems about 2/3rds of US Airbnb listings are businesses with multiple units, are they going to be able to pay the mortgages? So there are 660,000 listings in the United States Airbnb. Just remove 1/3 for single listing and you get 422,000 rentals that are multiple unit owners. Seems like allot of pain coming for these small and medium sized businesses.

    “AirDNA estimates that a third of Airbnb’s U.S. listings for entire homes or apartments—excluding shared rooms—are by hosts with a single property. Another third are run by hosts with between two and 24 properties. The remaining third involve hosts with more than 25 properties.

    Some of those hosts renting 25-plus properties are managed by startups such as Sonder Corp. and Lyric Hospitality Inc., which pay to rent hundreds of apartments they sublease on Airbnb and elsewhere.”

  163. Deadconomy says:

    That’s funny, juice. I did not read your post before posting mine. Yup, those people are f’ed.

  164. Phoenix says:

    I have no sympathy for Ms Dopp. At least her loans can be discharged through bankruptcy, unlike others.
    I guess she should have put a Force Majeure clause in her loan documents, then she could have claimed this was an act of god.

  165. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – When large investors got the margin calls they were forced to sell mortgage securities to raise cash to offset their big losses in the stock market. The Fed stepped in to the tune of hundreds of billions to bail them out, unlimited amounts of Treasuries and agency mortgages, including multifamily, cash for trash.

    Why shouldn’t Cheryl Dopp get some mortgage relief too? I forgot she does not have them on speed dial.

  166. 3b says:

    Let the mortgage securities go and the speculators in residential real estate. Clean it all out!

  167. Bystander says:

    Since now Blumpy admits that he was wrong on roaring 20s, I will now predict the roaring 20s. Look at stock market baby..get 25K hats ready again. I am a genius.

  168. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Question: Are most of you guys WFH? Everyone still has a job? Anyone here get laid off or furloughed?

  169. Phoenix says:

    2 wrongs don’t make a right, so I don’t believe that your second example should have been bailed out either.

    I’m not a believer in over leverage. I think it artificially inflates the cost of most things. Change my mind.

  170. Phoenix says:

    Lose weight now.
    And I am essential personnel, so go to work every day.

  171. chicagofinance says:

    Fast: the Fed fire hose is massive; the amount of corporate borrowing during April is stunning……. it has completely stabilized the financial system.

    This week is earnings from many major players. All the major banks spoke 2 weeks ago. We are at an inflection point in the market…… we have FB, MSFT, APPL & AMZN speaking in the next two days……

    follow the news, not your gut…..

  172. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – sympathy is the word you used. I do not expect you would have sympathy for the rich, and it turns out you don’t need to as they got their cash for trash automatically, as there was no debate and there was no law passed. It automatic, and will continue to happen as long as we breathe.

    Point being the leverage you so abhor well it’s baked in, and guess what the bailout for the rich is baked in too, just as George Calin god rest his soul reminded us “It’s A BIG Club & You Ain’t In It!”

    Always a good 4 minute watch…


  173. Hold my beer says:

    Houses under contract are down 26% in DFW area, but inventory is way down as well so the housing pimps, I mean real estate agents claim its still a sellers market since prices aren’t dropping.


    I wonder how many airbnb “investment” places there are in DFW. I doubt its enough to tank the local market. Not exactly a big tourist destination spot beyond going to see a concert or sporting event. Maybe some temporary/short term houses and condos for families getting relocated here.

  174. Juice Box says:

    Opinion piece Star-Ledger Guest Columnist – Bit of a soft muted piece calling for an end to the shelter in place.

    Ex-N.J. labor commissioner: Our death toll is heartbreaking but many are facing financial ruin

    “Over three times more New Jersey jobs have been lost in the past month as gained since the Great Recession. We are entering a depression.”

    “This is a conversation worth having to improve the approach to future pandemics because there are ways to protect lives without the government creating a depression”


  175. Bystander says:


    Nothing at my IB yet though I can assure you that there is spreadsheet out there with everyone’s name on it. My boss alluded to a discussion but he said it was worst case in case India was shut down and they can to consolidate teams to support most critical apps. Still..

    On hiring front, so many people got f-ed. We had two people resign in March with last days in April. Now their offers got pulled. Asked us to stay but no dice..ouch.

  176. Juice Box says:

    Our teams in India are still working somewhat and employed. We did not cut them (all contractors) because they are willing to take an IOU on the bill.

  177. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    On hiring front, so many people got f-ed. We had two people resign in March with last days in April. Now their offers got pulled. Asked us to stay but no dice..ouch.

    That s.ucks. I’m itching to divulge just a smidge how this virus fiasco aligns with what I do but I can’t. I’m hoping life as we knew it returns sooner than not. Gilead is stating that Remdesivir is back on the table when I thought it was dead. Perhaps phase I is kicked off with Phase II around the corner.

  178. Hold my beer says:

    Since half of the deaths are nursing home patients you would think an emphasis would go into stopping or slowing the spread of it in nursing homes. Instead Cuomo orders corona positive patients to be admitted into nursing homes even after he has stated it spreads like a fire through burnt grass in those places. Makes no sense how the resources are being deployed. If more emphasis were put into nursing homes. you’d think there would be fewer cases there and also fewer staff catching it and spreading it in the community which would lead to less strain on the hospitals.


  179. A Home Buyer says:

    Still fully employed, working unpaid overtime some days. We are essential and I head to the office every day but most (95%) work from home. It gives me a reason to get out and cycle to work most days though. Gets my daily cardio.

    We have a 6 week backlog of work… Hopefully more comes in but or division is doing well enough. Talks of furlough or paycuts have been discussed to help offset the other divisions who are slow.

    All in all, can’t complain. But dear God get this economy moving before it all collapses.

  180. 3b says:

    Juice Thanks for the hit of George Carlin. He is missed!!

  181. 3b says:

    Fast Life will return, but I don’t think it will be as we know it. It won’t be thunder has passed, everyone back in the pool!

  182. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    lol, an AirBnb portfolio? Sounds like someone put all their eggs in one basket. Reminds me of those old CNN articles “real estate tycoon in the making”. There was one where a husband and wife who had a combined income of $50k managed to get 17 properties to rent out…and then the interest rates reset.

    I knew a couple from the Jersey Shore that was nearing retirement. At the time, they were about 55. They wanted to move to South Carolina but didn’t know where in 2004. So they bought 3 properties prior to choosing. Then, they decided they didn’t like any of them and sold them all. Made something like $80k a property. So what did they do? Buy 6 more to “pick one”. And just like that, they are still working to this day in New Jersey instead of being 15 years into retirement.

  183. Hold my beer says:

    Doctor offers coronavirus protection advice


    He discusses how the virus works and how the body reacts to it and then lists foods and supplements he thinks could be helpful

  184. Fat Fast Eddie says:


    Thorough article. I was surprised to read antibacterial soap shouldn’t be used.

  185. Hold my beer says:


    I thought it was very informative. Especially his listings of things to take to build up immunity and how and why he feels some of those like elderberry and medicinal mushrooms should be dropped once you develop symptoms or test positive.

    That’s what I was complaining about the other day. All this media attention on the search for drugs and vaccines and lack of ventilators and hospital beds, and none on cheap remedies to prevent or lessen an infection like drinking black tea without milk and eating red grapes.

  186. Grim says:

    Covid antibody negative based on the Quest test.

  187. Bystander says:

    Carlin is definitely missed. Always ahead of his time. I think social media would have killed him off if heart did not do it 12 years ago. He is someone I absolutely revere, so much that I went to Wilmington, VT back in 2012 for a quick weekend getaway. It was year after massive floods destroyed parts of state. On my way back towards 91, I realized that Spofford, NH was only 20m on other side. Carlin chose a lake in Spofford for some of his ashes. Since I was shocked that anti-religion advocate would choose ash spreading, I had to check it out. Pretty standard, summer lake community.

  188. Juice Box says:

    An associate has recovered from Covid19, but there was a nasty twist. Her husband who has been in an out of the hospital in Bergen County for months for other medical issues. He then he went to stay with his elderly parents after being released as to not get Covid19 from his wife and now both parents got Covid19.

    Unintended consequences he brought it home to his parents from the hospital, and he has never tested positive, now his mother has died and father is in hospital. Parents are in there 80s.

    Don’t go near the hospitals folks. They are just as bad as the nursing homes for transmission.

  189. joyce says:

    Murphy opening golf courses. We always knew he was a Trump supporter.

  190. Pumps says:

    Commuter town.

    What is your take on commuter towns RE trends??.. You think all the city people fleeing cities will settle in commuter towns or go far away…

  191. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Smokers in France appear to be less affected by Coronavirus. 25% of the country smokes but only 5% of patients are smokers.


  192. AP says:

    Recording a bet here that as things stand Trump squeaks a win in Nov. Matter of time before the meme mutates from “communist virus” to “democratic virus”.

    Folks from red states get galvanized by hatred of the “left” which overreacted/caused the job losses, etc.

    These events reinforce a provincial and xenophobic mindset that feeds into Trump’s base of support

  193. ExEssex says:

    12:44 betcha Trump loses. 4 more years of the imbecile and we’re firmly in 3rd World Status. The usual cheerleaders here will always predict a win for the GOP even after they guy the Country.

  194. JCer says:

    hold my beer. That is a good scientific explanation and backing for the treatment regimen I take when sick. Elderberry extract gives you a big whack of quercetin and also contains compounds to help you absorb it(bio availability of quercetin is not great on it’s own). Oregano oil provides luteolin among other things. I’ll say this if I indeed have COVID in my experience it made a huge difference. That is good info and confirms some of my anecdotal beliefs.

  195. joyce says:

    Just can’t stand Murphy.

    Does he think antagonizing protesters is going to make them stop? He’s such an idiot.

  196. Juice Box says:

    About six months from the general election anything can still happen including Covid19 for any candidate running.

  197. Bystander says:

    Anyone who thinks the pressure from the left caused poor Dumpy to shut down the country, is already a honey-boo boo level moron. They were going to vote the Orange clown anyway. No votes to be gained there. It comes down to economy and how angry the unemployed will be. Usually it matters not if President is to blame. Mad people will vote incumbent out. As JB said, lots can happen in 6 months.

  198. JCer says:

    Tell me who is running against Trump and how much public face time they have. I feel like Biden if given an opportunity to get in front of the american people will crash and burn. The superpacs are going to slam him on the reade allegations, his son, the ukraine debacle and his history of appeasing the chinese. The american public believes anything they see on TV.

  199. chicagofinance says:

    adding to previous Biden / Kavanaugh/ Trump discussion. Here is a take why there is no Reade / Grab them by the pu%%y equivalence……. Biden is supposed to be the adult in the room, the woke one, the professional one. If he has no moral compass, then his candidacy is inert…… and I think he has no moral compass BTW.

  200. joyce says:

    Murphy “let’s be very careful with the words we use right now”

    Yes, exactly. When will he start doing that?

  201. Juice Box says:

    Biden has way way way too much baggage, but hey I will show up in November and do what I always do which hold my nose and vote for either horrible candidate.

  202. Hold my beer says:


    I thought it was very well written and easy for a non scientist or medical person to understand. Going to go make myself a cup black chai tea now.

  203. chicagofinance says:

    Regrets….. I was looking forward to a series of odd experiments you were going to conduct as the Board’s official antimicrobial biohazard resistance defender.

    I thought your superhero name could have been The Silk City Sanitizer.

    Grim says:
    April 29, 2020 at 11:57 am
    Covid antibody negative based on the Quest test.

  204. Hold my beer says:

    I wene it for the first time in about 6 weeks. Got raining Cain’s fried chicken at the drive thru. I was surprised at the number of cars that were out. Fewer cars than normal this time of day, but No way everyone was going to the grocery store or picking up take out.

    And I actually preferred my homemade baked steak fries to the traditional deep fried ones.

  205. 3b says:

    Juice Why vote? Biden will win NJ by a landslide, stay home.

  206. Libturd says:

    Does he (Murphy) think antagonizing protesters is going to make them stop? He’s such an idiot.

    It takes a certain kind of idiot to call the prime minister of the country you are serving as ambassador in “risk averse and rarely creative” right after getting the cushy job. It’s also pretty stupid spending 16 million dollars to be the governor of NJ.

  207. ExEssex says:

    1:52 so if morality is out the window, then let’s look at “experience”. In what universe is Trump taken seriously?

  208. Libturd says:

    I’m kind of disappointed in the results Grim. Hope you have enough Yerba Santa to go 18 months. :{)

    May be by soon for a nice bottle of bourbon. Just planted a bunch of mint, so I expect the mint julep will be my go to drink this summer. Unless of course the basil gimlet makes a comeback. I’m partial to my rum and lemon diet Coke, but I have plenty of Captain as well as your excellent rum.

  209. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    The fearmongering was waayy more destructive than any mistakes that trump made. The fearmongering is STILL happening.

    politicians backed by fake news spent weeks crippling the nation with visions of apocalyptic death counts.

    We knew early on from what was transpiring in Italy that this was gong to hit the elderly very hard. That was backed by data from Germany who was way out in front on testing.

    Instead of allocating resources judiciously, they set about marshaling worthless resources back and forth. Many or most of the state shutdowns will end up having been destructive.

    I see this hurting trump because he probably deferred too much to panicked bureaucrats but he did pull anything heavy handed like we see at the local level. It will be hard to pin the economic chaos on hi.

  210. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    When the New York survey data showing 1.4-2M cases already in the wild it got almost no attention. Tells you what you need to know. The Coronavirus coverage is the latest hoax.

  211. AP says:

    Ageism aside, in retrospect the Dems would have been better off nominating someone younger. Would suggest new beginnings, overcoming this crisis, a fresh start.

    As it is Biden whole vibe suggests death and decay right now.

  212. RentL0rd says:

    Health wise, Biden is at least 10 years younger than fat Trump. Also, he is not a mental imbecile.

  213. Juice Box says:

    More good news as Docs figure out better ways to treat severe and critical cases,incubation and sedation may not be needed in most cases.

    “Doctors at the University of Chicago Medicine are seeing “truly remarkable” results using high-flow nasal cannulas rather than ventilators and intubation to treat some COVID-19 patients.

    High-flow nasal cannulas, or HFNCs, are non-invasive nasal prongs that sit below the nostrils and blow large volumes of warm, humidified oxygen into the nose and lungs.

    A team from UChicago Medicine’s emergency room took dozens of COVID-19 patients who were in respiratory distress and gave them HFNCs instead of putting them on ventilators. The patients all fared extremely well, and only one of them required intubation after 10 days.

    “The success we’ve had has been truly remarkable,” said Michael O’Connor, MD, UChicago Medicine’s Director of Critical Care Medicine.

    The HFNCs are often combined with prone positioning, a technique where patients lay on their stomachs to aid breathing. Together, they’ve helped UChicago Medicine doctors avoid dozens of intubations and have decreased the chances of bad outcomes for COVID-19 patients, said Thomas Spiegel, MD, Medical Director of UChicago Medicine’s Emergency Department.

    “The proning and the high-flow nasal cannulas combined have brought patient oxygen levels from around 40% to 80% and 90%, so it’s been fascinating and wonderful to see,” Spiegel said.


  214. AP says:

    RentL0rd, we need some of that Obama hope and change energy right now. Have to admit that Biden is having a hard time conjuring it. Maybe he’s accumulating it?

  215. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Health wise, Biden is at least 10 years younger than fat Trump. Also, he is not a mental imbecile.

    What planet are you broadcasting from? Biden is in a semi coma. Here’s a Biden quote from yesterday: “‘Economic intercourse’ at risk due to Trump’s ‘America is first’ mentality.” LOL!

  216. ExEssex says:

    Biden is gonna step over Trump’s bloated corpse.
    People are siiiiiick of that orange idiot & his stupid face.
    Senate is also in play….

  217. AP says:

    That’s the problem. Both candidates seem to not be up to our time’s challenges.

    We will have to wait for our children to fix it, I guess. Whatever’s left of it.

  218. ExEssex says:

    The 70s kickin’ ass: https://youtu.be/OrgpfVwV6oc

  219. Glaring Light of Day says:

    Biden will play the role of sock puppet, trotted out to make noises in public until he has yet another stroke and keels over then his VP steps into his place. Either “his” choice (do you really think he is making any decisions at this point?) will be another sock puppet who will be manipulated by the party muckety-mucks (Obama? Clinton?) or will be the party’s real choice for president.

  220. Hold my beer says:


    “Economic intercourse at risk” is a Freudian slip. He’s planning on screwing us all

  221. AP says:

    Glaring, wouldn’t put it as you did, but he’s clearly a party functionary performing a role.

    He’s not a party leader, doesn’t lead a movement, doesn’t have unique capabilities to serve the nation at this critical moment other than arguably defeating Trump. Which I fear he’ll fail at.

  222. Phoenix says:

    Agree with you. Also count me in as a Carlin fan.

    Not surprised at your result as your nasal cavities are loaded with alcohol vapors which is a good antimicrobial.

  223. 3b says:

    Biden is 77 and Trump 73, same age. One is just an old corrupt geezer, and the other is a lunatic, who was elected because the DNC wanted Hillary.

  224. ExEssex says:

    Don’t think the Presidency is any place for a lunatic. The man is simply not fit for the office. For some reason that doesn’t bother his supporters because they never tire of owning the libs. Its true. Nothing is more fun than ‘owning the Libruls’ — but when times get tough and believe you me, times are very tough, every nickle that flows from a blue state to a red state should be scrutinized and watched like a hawk. You guys talk a lot about redistribution, but look at the fact that you are literally supporting people who hate you.

  225. ExEssex says:

    Once the ‘ship’ is righted and once again more than likely, it’ll be a democratic helmsman to do so, not because of the effort of one single person, but rather because the Dems have always had a deep bench of idealistic thinkers who are very able to work miracles and mend fiscal chaos. But don’t take my word for it, just look at the number of times the economy has tanked on the republican watch only to be revived under the Dems. Most people are much more confident in a bunch of ivy league (earned / not bought seats at the school) thinkers to pull it off. Trumps teams are almost exclusively unqualified family members or known grifters. Good Lord.

  226. AP says:

    Ex, without a doubt. Trumpism’s stated goal (not implying it has any internal logic or coherence) is the dismantling if the professional state.

    But Dems technocratic approach is running out of steam as well…

  227. chicagofinance says:

    nasal cannulas

    I looked this up in the Urban Dictionary……… it means to jam your face into someone’s cleavage to smell the perfume they put on…. jj said he used to do it as a pickup technique……

  228. 3b says:

    Ex Delusional comments and your an elitist, exactly why Trump was elected and may very well well be elected again. It’s amazing that you and so many think all this country’s problems are because of one man, when in reality they started years ago. Dems and Repbubs are bought and paid for. Corrupt to the core.

  229. grim says:

    I’m kind of disappointed in the results Grim. Hope you have enough Yerba Santa to go 18 months. :{)

    Yeah, I’ve got a line on bulk from one of the botanicals distributors we purchase our gin botanicals from.

    Need some home made strong quinine tonic?

  230. grim says:

    You know, we may see some malaria break out this summer.

  231. JCer says:

    3b, the problem is the overarching issue of an ever expanding government that is fundamentally incompetent. Ascribing economic growth to the actions of a president rather than economic cycles is insane. For example the booming economy of the 1990’s was it clinton or the republican clowngress or was it just the economic cycle? We know that taxation and regulation can most certainly cause economic contraction. If you think Obama recovered the economy after the disastrous Bush period, think again. It was more of a manipulation and the appearance of recovery rather than a real recovery. There were a lot of smoke and mirrors employed to make it appear that the economy recovered and the banks were solvent. Truth be told the actions of the central bankers almost have nothing to do with the president. Policy is largely advanced by congress and is what has impact, the president is just a figurehead and responsible for execution. Legislation usually takes some time for impact to be felt. Yes both parties are highly corrupted by an oligarchy, I’ve seen it from the inside, local state government corruption in NJ is insane and it does go to the federal level. Based on what I have seen under the guise of regulation organizations like the FRA, EPA, etc are tools our clowngress critters use to fill their campaign coffers. It’s not an exaggeration, it is that bad….

  232. 3b says:

    Jcer: I agree with you 100 percent. The Dems have Obama up on a pedestal Saint like in his efforts to right the economy. Same with Trumps this is/was the
    Best economy because of him. NJ as well
    Is a dirty corrupt little state. The fact that Menendez is still in office when he should be in jail is shocking. Now on the national stage we have Biden who should have exited after Obama, apart from of the sexual misconduct allegations, he certainly does not inspire confidence. This is what the Dems have to offer to replace Trump??!! It’s just a fecking joke all around, and as such I
    Just want vote.

  233. 3b says:

    Grim Happy your spirits operation is going well, and you are to be commended for providing hand sanitizer at no charge.

  234. JUice Box says:

    Was just listening to the Doctors radio on Sirius radio and they covered the blood clotting situation with Covid19. Swollen legs even in mild cases, blood clots in hands and feet, vascular surgeon at NYC Medical said lots of strokes too. They are now giving everyone blood thinners with or without a CAT scan, seems the cause is our own immune system becomes overactive.

  235. Juice Box says:

    How long before there is a market for black market antibody rich blood?

    Let’s just say for the right price you can can get you a pint of the good stuff from a healthy just recovered patient still has plenty of IgM antibodies.

    The doctor released from Hackensack got his pint from another Doc apparently. Why does he get to cut the line?

    “Omidvari participated in clinical trials — the hospital is involved with trials of medications including the antiviral drug remdesivir and the immunosuppressive drug tocilizumab — but it was a plasma donation he received from another doctor that seemed to have helped.

    Through convalescent plasma therapy, patients are exposed to COVID-19 antibodies from those who have recovered. A doctor let Omidvari know that he was making his own antibodies.

    “Hopefully that’s what did the trick,” he says.”


  236. Phoenix says:

    “The doctor released from Hackensack got his pint from another Doc apparently. Why does he get to cut the line?”

    So he can get back to work and help others.

  237. Juice Box says:

    Moderna’s mRNA-1273 Covid19 vaccine is now moving to phase 2 trials, phase 3 clinical perhaps in the fall or sooner.


  238. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – There is in fact a huge multi-billion dollar global market in the sale of plasma, with the USA leading the way. Did you know the plasma you donate might be shipped overseas for profit?


  239. Juice Box says:

    How about when someone builds an app to match those with antibodies and sponsors in an auction format? What millionaire or billionaire boomer would not want to pay for a Blood Boy?

    Monterey California based startup Ambrosia LLC launched a program to inject clients with the plasma of 16-25 year-olds. The price tag?
    1 liter $5500
    2 liters $8000


    Will Apple even let them list the app?

  240. Juice Box says:

    If someone in my family got Covid19 tomorrow why would I not call people in my circle and offer cash?

  241. Bystander says:

    I will admit that I was happy to receive The White House Economic Impact letter from Dumpy today..ran out of toilet paper. It was rough but mission accomplished. What an ignorant fool. He puts his name on check then sends a letter telling us how much he accomplished. It was our tax dollars, a-hole..not your stash. His signature alone has markings of a crazy person..bizarre.

  242. Juice Box says:

    Bystander – Bread and Circuses those checks and well letters really they are.

    Did you read my earlier comment about cash for trash? Who are the biggest benefactors?

    I remember Boy Wonder Jared’s family and others getting a huge investment before and during the great recession from our GSEs under Bush and Obama.

    GSEs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac this time around are doing the same Billions more. Who is buying those MBSs now at PAR stuffed with dead beat renters as collateral?

  243. *.* says:

    The Irish Times

    Fintan O’Toole: Donald Trump has destroyed the country he promised to make great again

    APRIL 25, 2020
    The world has loved, hated and envied the US, Now, for the first time, we pity it

    US president Donald Trump has claimed he was being sarcastic and testing the media when he raised the idea that injecting disinfectant or irradiating the body with ultraviolet light might kill coronavirus.

    Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger. But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity.

    However bad things are for most other rich democracies, it is hard not to feel sorry for Americans. Most of them did not vote for in 2016. Yet they are locked down with a malignant narcissist who, instead of protecting his people from Covid-19, has amplified its lethality. The country Trump promised to make great again has never in its history seemed so pitiful.

  244. JUice Box says:

    Many many moons ago I did some work for a real old school Palm Beach shyster who had rentals in NJ. Lawyer by trade and multifamily “investor” to really well pay the bills for the yacht. He had tenants racked and stacked in several high rises in P-Town. Every single unit was an utter hell hole section 8, all rent paid and I mean 100% by the State of NJ via the program from the Feds.

    We are going back folks unless people get back to work….It won’t be a better future soon if business that made this 30+ year swing in the middle class possible, if we do not go back to work, because there will be no bail out for the people. You will get the circus and bread treatment.

  245. Grim says:

    There was traffic this afternoon on 46 and 23.

    Just sayin…..

  246. Dink says:

    “The doctor released from Hackensack got his pint from another Doc apparently. Why does he get to cut the line?”

    He didn’t cut the line, the hospital is participating in the plasma therapy clinical trial. If you have a family member needing hospitalization I would recommend sending them to a hospital that is participating in the trials.

    I am actually a part of this trial on the donor side. I’ve signed up 4 other people as well but they have not even heard back in weeks. This speaks to the number of people willing to donate in our area but the infrastructure is not ramped up enough yet to collect from everyone willing.

  247. Hold my beer says:

    I think Cuomo is channeling 45


    He seems to be denying all responsibility. Meanwhile he is sending corona patients back to nursing homes.

    I really think politics is like pro wrestling or performance art. All fake displays of outrage at the other side, then they go back to the locker room and drink beers and eat pizza together while they count the money they’ve collected from their fans/donors/PACS.

  248. Deadconomy says:

    It’s not just nj, it’s everywhere and anywhere there is power to be found. This is why so I!ism is a great idea in theory, but horrible when human corruption is taken into account. This is why America was beautiful when it began; you had a group of guys come together to try and prevent any single individual from gaining too much power. It’s slowly being chipped away by individuals figuring out how to bypass the checks and balances our fore fathers put in place. You know, it’s only human to try and figure out a way around the system. Maybe I’m taking a Hobbes approach, but humans can’t be trusted with power. They just can’t be trusted with it over the long term.

    3b says:
    April 29, 2020 at 6:23 pm
    Jcer: I agree with you 100 percent. The Dems have Obama up on a pedestal Saint like in his efforts to right the economy. Same with Trumps this is/was the
    Best economy because of him. NJ as well
    Is a dirty corrupt little state. The fact that Menendez is still in office when he should be in jail is shocking. Now on the national stage we have Biden who should have exited after Obama, apart from of the sexual misconduct allegations, he certainly does not inspire confidence. This is what the Dems have to offer to replace Trump??!! It’s just a fecking joke all around, and as such I
    Just want vote.

  249. ExEssex says:

    5:42 roadmap ahead is unclear. I’m siding with the group who might rescue pensions vs. declaring bankruptcy.

  250. Juice Box says:

    dink – love you and yours with all my heart, my family that was affected makes the same complaint “well but they have not even heard back in weeks”.

    So it’s time for scrutiny.

    Governor Phil? Were are you?

  251. JCer says:

    deadconomy, my father was a real estate developer, mostly industrial, commercial and retail, and a few apartment projects.

    In this line of business you can imagine they dealt with politicians a lot. His partners bundled a lot of money for democratic politicians in NY and NJ both local and at the federal level. When I tell you they had US senators on speed dial, as well as the governor of NJ and NY. Some place are more corrupt than others, but places with more money tend to be more corrupt. The more surprising thing about it is it was typically not about getting favors but essentially you had to pay to make sure your projects didn’t get delayed or slowed by the government. It truly is pay to play, people don’t understand how bad it really is.

  252. NJCoast says:

    Grim just read the article in the AP Press about not allowing distilleries to deliver in NJ. Makes no sense. Beer delivery in NY has kept my daughter’s brewery afloat. Good thing because they didn’t get any PPP money and they are continuing to pay all their employees.
    Many thanks to you for donating hand sanitizer. Hopefully karma will be better to you than Murphy who doesn’t even acknowledge your efforts.

  253. 3b says:

    Juice 30 year swing to the middle class? I am not following?

  254. ExEssex says:

    Speaking of money: ” A former top donor to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and business executive is jumping across the aisle to support Democrat Jaime Harrison in South Carolina’s Senate race.

    Richard Wilkerson, the former chairman and president of Michelin’s operations in North America, said he has known Harrison for years and is confident he can “bring lasting economic opportunity to the people of South Carolina.”

    “I am confident that as our next U.S. Senator he will be a tireless advocate for creating well-paying jobs, improving our state’s healthcare system, and training the next generation for the jobs of tomorrow. Jaime is the perfect candidate to bring together South Carolinians from all walks of life. I am proud to endorse Jaime today, and I know first hand he is the change South Carolina needs,” Wilkerson said in a statement Tuesday.”

  255. ExEssex says:

    and last updated 8:51 PM, Apr 28, 2020
    NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — Mayor John Cooper filed his recommended budget for the 2021 fiscal year with Metro Council. The $2.447 billion budget includes raising the city’s property tax by almost 32% to recover from the financial impact of the March tornado and the COVID-19 shutdown.

    The Metro Finance Department estimates that the city will experience an estimated revenue decline of more than $470 million due to the tornado and pandemic.

    The decline in revenue during Q4 of the 2020 fiscal year forced Metro to cut expenditures and spend down remaining fund balances, leaving Metro with only $12 million of fund balances.

    “This is an unprecedented and difficult time for all Nashvillians,” said Mayor Cooper. “Thousands of residents have lost their jobs during the pandemic, and that makes the necessary decision to raise taxes all the more difficult. And as I mentioned during the State of Metro address, the city has thinned its cash reserves to a point where we find ourselves without a rainy-day fund during a stormy season. This is a crisis budget – not a discretionary budget – that will ensure Metro and Metro Nashville Public Schools can continue to meet our community’s needs.”

    Cooper said the 32% property tax hike would bring the current rate of $3.155 up to $4.155, which is still the lowest property tax rate of all major Tennessee cities. A homeowner would pay an extra $750 a year for a $300,000 home. The last property tax increase in Metro Nashville was in 2012.

  256. Deadconomy says:


    Humans are dirty when it comes to power. It’s sad. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. No one is immune.

  257. Deadconomy says:

    And the property taxes will only get worse as the population rises. I said this for how long about those “cheap” places. I was told they don’t vote blue, so it will never happen. Keep telling yourself whether a state is blue or red determines its tax cost. Instead focus on the population density and growth. The more people that come, the faster the taxes will rise.

  258. Deadconomy says:

    Higher population needs more cops, more schools, more unemployment, more homeless, constant infrastructure costs…can go on and on.

  259. JCer says:

    ExEssex, among the wealthy they have no party loyalties. They “invest” in the politicians they think will win. As I was saying about my father no one really knew his political affiliation. What ever the prevailing party was where they were doing business is who got the support. When Christie was running they got behind him as they knew Corzine was done.

    That tells me the powers that be think Graham is going to lose the seat and Wilkerson found someone else who can protect his interests.

  260. JCer says:

    pumps red vs. blue does matter. Try and remember Connecticut, up until 1993 they had no income tax. Once the decision is made to provide funding to urban ghettos it’s over. The single biggest contributor to our property tax problem is the fact that state dollars don’t go to local school districts. That combined with miniature towns having nothing but residential ratables means high tax rates and taxes to fund schools. If the education funding were distributed on a per capita basis property taxes could be reduced significantly.

    The other issue in NJ is an ultra progressive tax rate. If they really wanted to raise revenue they would collapse the brackets and start at 3.5% which raises everyone’s taxes and thus raises significant revenue.

    Then beyond that funding the majority of school funding via property tax is a bad idea and not equitable. We have towns with incredibly low property tax rates because they have limited schools or an excess of commercial properties.

    The solution to our out of control property taxes is actually relatively simple. Unfortunately politically it is untenable.

  261. leftwing says:

    Go Musk!


    CA governor’s plans to close beaches and parks were leaked by way of a police memo to prepare for enforcement.

  262. leftwing says:

    Eh, don’t use the link above. Heavily edited by CNBC. They are getting as badly PC as CNN….

    Here’s the fuller version of the call. Much better.


  263. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Leaving aside all of Biden’s liabilities, including coziness with China , open borders, being a corrupt career politician, he has major platform flaws.

    People aren’t going to want to hear about free trade with China and open borders.

    It’s pretty easy to connect the dots between those policies and the Coronavirus debacle. America first is a winner again in 2020.

  264. Juice Box says:


    “S&P Global Ratings on Wednesday revised its credit outlook for New Jersey to negative, warning of the “significant possibility” the state will slash or delay its contribution to the public-pension system to cope with sharp revenue losses.”

  265. Juice Box says:

    3.5 million Americans filed for initial jobless claims last week, the Labor Department announced Thursday. That makes 30 million Americans who have filed for initial claims since mid-March.

  266. 3b says:

    JCEr I think they could get consolation done now, but the vested interests the cops teachers unions won’t go for it. Demographics are changing, and the my town is better than your town mentality is declining.

  267. grim says:

    I bet you Murphy tries to keep the Pension payment whole.

  268. grim says:

    …and f*cks taxpayers to do it

  269. Walking says:

    How much of the unemployment is due to the extra $600 you get on top of benefits ? Hell I would not blame any nursing home health aide to double her salary by staying home and collecting, at $13 an hour there will be plenty of jobs once your benefits run out.

  270. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    It’s a good time to permanently pair down and layoff bloated public workers on the local and state level as well as consolidating town facilities. This pandemic thing may have a silver lining.

  271. Bystander says:


    I am no expert on CT history but it was long time Republican, Lowell Weicker who pushed for the income tax change when he became governor. Not saying that spending has not blown up to insane levels but it always starts out as a promise to balance budget then they rob the kitty. Both parties are equally to blame as is our Federal Reserve system.

  272. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Barack Obama Goes Golfing at Country Club the Day After Michelle Urged African Americans to Stay Home:


  273. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The distilleries not being able to deliver is probably the liquor lobby trying to take advantage of a crisis to force as many of them underwater as possible.

  274. Yo! says:

    Murphy on knees before Trump in White House today. DJT should say When legislature votes for real guv worker cuts (current and retired) and property tax cuts too, then we can have a discussion.

    And special fed spending on NJ should come with fed control of NJ decision making, replacing the power of elected officials.

  275. Fabius Maximus says:

    A lot of the pension issue goes back to CC. He put the plan in place to return the fund to solvency. If there is a shortfall, it has to be made up by the states and the municipalities. Phil doesn’t have that much flexibility. He rolled back CC’s change on rate of return to give the municipalities a break.

    CCs big mistake with the pension was causing the stampede of older teachers to retire. While the municipalities got a break on salary, he turned 30K full paying contributors into 30K full freight consumers.

  276. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Fish tank cleaner woman is now being investigated as a homicide instead of a tragedy of stupidity.

  277. Hold my beer says:


    Pension issues started with Christine Todd Wittman and her magical managing of the state budget. Her encore was telling us the air was safe to breathe at ground zero . Fortunately she also sold firewood to her brother in law so she could claim her primary residence as a farm and pay significantly lower property taxes

  278. 3b says:

    Fab I am in NJ for over 30 years and the pension problems started long before CC.

  279. chicagofinance says:

    Why do waste our time with serial partisan garbage masked as sober discussion? If you were honest, you would lead with -at minimum- a disclaimer of your overwhelming bias. Instead you spend an inordinate amount of time supporting and defending twisted misstatements, and willfully partial statements, of the truth.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    April 30, 2020 at 10:24 am
    A lot of the pension issue goes back to CC. He put the plan in place to return the fund to solvency. If there is a shortfall, it has to be made up by the states and the municipalities. Phil doesn’t have that much flexibility. He rolled back CC’s change on rate of return to give the municipalities a break.

    CCs big mistake with the pension was causing the stampede of older teachers to retire. While the municipalities got a break on salary, he turned 30K full paying contributors into 30K full freight consumers.

  280. Juice Box says:

    Beer it goes futher way back to Florio, he began to short change the pension fund by $1.5 billion in both 1992 and 1993.

    If this fund was not tampered and used as cookie jar by Florio, Whitman, DiFrancesco, Codey, Corzine and McGreevy etc it would not be where it is today.

    Now please be quite on this subject. You will trigger someone here who was expecting to retire to PA or Florida on his NJ Pension.

  281. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Lol, the town implemented the state mandated grace period for property tax payments. The grace period is two WEEKS.

    Long enough to plan a bank heist I guess.

  282. Hold my beer says:


    I had forgotten about Florio other than him raising or adding new taxes to everything especially the infamous toilet paper tax. To paraphrase 45 Florio was such a disaster he gave us Wittman.

  283. chicagofinance says:

    Juice….. thx

    Juice Box says:
    April 28, 2020 at 7:05 pm
    Micheal Moore -The Left has levelled a “furious attack” on Michael Moore after the filmmaker released a documentary on Youtube castigating “the green energy scam”, according to Sky News host Andrew Bolt.

    Good watch.


  284. Juice Box says:

    chi – That was something eh? I loved how they tied in the leaders of 350 and sierra club to burning our forests to make electricity. What a scam.

  285. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Apparently, there is a whole group of Airbnb “owners”, I mean debters that were classified as “superhosts”. They managed to amass over 24 properties. Of course, it’s all based upon the debt not mattering because you can always rent them out via Airbnb. This is no different than the idiots who were securing multiple rental properties when their job literally paid them $40k a year. The worst part is, they all are walking around thinking…this still would have worked if it weren’t for this virus. The idiots leverage themselves up and are always 1 hurricane away from bankruptcy. The real question is…how were they able to secure so much credit this time?

  286. Hold my beer says:

    Maybe New Jersey local budgets could be improved if they did something like Texas has for sales tax. Texas has a 6.25% state sales tax rate and county and cities together can add up to an additional 2% on top of that for a max of 8.25% sales tax. Towns love getting new stores and restaurants. Takes strain off residential property tax. And people like the convenience of having a variety of stores and restaurants in their town. But the progressives would yell that sales tax is regressive and racist so it probably wouldn’t pass in Jersey and if it did there would just be more local patronage jobs created instead of property tax relief.

  287. Deadconomy says:

    I disagree for the reasons I already stated. And I said for a long time on this blog that those “cheap” areas are going to become just as high taxed as the high population areas that came before it. Who do you think nj, Connecticut, or California were before they became high cost locations? They were Nashville, Arizona, and North Carolina in a previous era. Low cost alternative till everyone came and drove the price up.

    It’s not cheap to run society. The denser the population, the higher the land value becomes. After the land value goes up, it drives up taxes, and everything else…like dominoes.

    JCer says:
    April 30, 2020 at 12:14 am
    pumps red vs. blue does matter

  288. Deadconomy says:

    Yup, he was playing it short term. Dumb f’k. Thanks for nothing.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    April 30, 2020 at 10:24 am

  289. joyce says:

    I see Germany, New York and now Texas, Florida and George release (occasionally) r0 statistics and charts. NJ where are you?

  290. joyce says:

    And where the hell is our antibody study?

  291. Deadconomy says:

    Glad to see that people are finally waking up to the fact that the politicians stole from the pension fund for years to make associates they knew very rich on bs projects. All these people should be put in jail. Whatever money they are worth should be taken and thrown into the pension fund. It still wont help because you are missing out on decades of compounding, but these f’ks should pay a price for robbing the workers and taxpayers of this state.

    I shouldn’t even say robbing the workers, because they are constitutionally guaranteed payment. I should say robbing the tax payer who is going to have to pay for this and it will be at the federal level.

  292. Phoenix says:

    Something like 200 Billion + is owed to the retirees of NJ, most of which will cash out that house and leave to a low cost state the minute that first retirement check comes. They have been doing this for years. Honestly I don’t know how future generations are going to give these retirees the amount they want for their houses , then pay the amount of taxes required to pay the debt.
    Maybe there is something I am missing, but other than piling the debt higher I don’t see how it is sustainable-nor do I understand why anyone young would purchase a home in NJ anymore.

  293. Phoenix says:


    Whitman was a one woman wrecking ball. Someone should do a thesis paper on her history and the amount of destruction she did in one lifetime.

    A pangolin in a cage randomly hitting buttons would have made better choices.

  294. 3b says:

    Phoenix I agree 100 percent, and have been saying this for years. Of course there are those who say the cost is justified because of the education system that is head and shoulders above all the rest, and the proximity to NYC, and the ambitious smart people who will pay a premium for the best. That of course is a bunch of nonsense of course, the state is in rapid decline and that will continue. It is simply unsustainable.

  295. homeboken says:

    The whole pension debacle has nothing to do with the Governor in charge.

    Did most of them make ill-advised changes to make it less secure, Yes.

    But this probelm goes back to the contracts negotiated by the Union leaders with the Govt. over time. It’s a pyramid scheme, ponzi scheme, house of cards, whatever you want to call it.

    The math doesn’t work. Money Out > Money In, all the financial engineering in the world can’t fix that problem.

    NJ should declare bankruptcy, if only to blow out those contracts and start new. Something that will be feasible over the long term. Political suicide of course but that is the fastest and most efficient way to fix the unfunded liability problem.

    Anything else is s different shade of lipstick on a fatter and fatter pig.

  296. 3b says:

    Hold My Beer NJ towns need to be forced to merge. It will eventually happen.

  297. 3b says:

    States cannot declare bankruptcy, so what are the options.

  298. Phoenix says:

    3b, can towns? Could the state transfer the debt back to each individual town, and then could the towns declare bankruptcy?

  299. 3b says:

    Phoenix I guess that is a possibility, I believe as far as pensions for municipal employees the obligations are shared between the state and individual municipalities. State needs to force town mergers

  300. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I remember about a week post 9/11, my mother said she was going to bring my 15 year old brother and 13 year old sister to the site to “pay their respects”. I got in a big fight with her about it and she said “well Whitman said it was ok to breath”. I told her to stay the hell away…they are still finding body parts all over the place. That was pretty much the catalyst that ensured I was never moving back home after college.

  301. Juice Box says:

    Did not see this one yesterday. Yikes! At least in China they did not let the bodies stack up like this!


  302. ExEssex says:

    6 weeks …. 30 million unemployed.

  303. ExEssex says:

    Moving farm produce directly to food banks.

  304. ExEssex says:

    The Feds will bail out the pensions “if” it’s a Democratic admin. Otherwise you just get billionaire tax cuts.

  305. Juice Box says:

    Feds will bail out the pensions?

    Look folks the The Federal Reserve has also set up a credit lifeline, two-year loans to state and local governments, which can be used to cover gaps in operating budgets.

    Borrow and default. What are they going to do repo town hall?

  306. Walking says:

    Juice box. I noticed a couple of things, one the funeral home is adjacent to a dollar general. How the hell are you able to shop with that kind is smell? 2, the workers called in to remove the bodies don’t even have masks on. I have a hard enough time taking out the occasional dead mouse chipmunk in the garage or koi pond, can’t imagine the mell of this.

  307. Hold my beer says:


    Towns in Jersey will never merge. No one wants to give up their little fiefdoms. And how can the residents feel superior to the neighboring town or aggravated by the arrogance of the affluent neighbor.

  308. Hold my beer says:


    I agree. Florio was such a disaster we got Wittman. If Florio has been good or at least decent she would never have gotten elected.

  309. Deadconomy says:


    At the end of the day, had these governors paid their pension obligation instead of dipping into the cookie jar, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. There would be no pension issue.

    Your taxes would be no different than they are now. The pension doesn’t have to be 100% funded, it can easily survive on 80%. The fact is, when Whitman started the crime of stealing from the pension fund to give the money to associates, it was funded over a 100%. Yes, the fund was overfunded. How can that be? Because pension systems are not some wild voodoo scheme, they work if no one steals from it.

    In those early years, there were a lot more workers contributing and almost zero retirees. You leave this part out when you claim it’s a Ponzi scheme. Lib makes this same mistake when he does the math. He also doesn’t account for people dying and never collecting a penny. I had 3 of them in past 5 years at my work. One teacher had like 35 years, first month of retirement, drops dead. She wasn’t married. She contributed for 35 years and took nothing. Two other teachers I know of from my school (not district) died with over 20 years on the job.

    So you have to be honest with yourself, a pension system is not expensive nor is it unsustainable. Public and private pension systems that are in trouble have been robbed blind. Yet, no one realizes it. They believe the dumb claims of pensions being associated with “lavish,” therefore unsustainable. Ate the hook, line, and sinker. Pensions systems are fine; they are not lavish. They are simply a means of workers having a retirement plan.

  310. 3b says:

    Hold I agree/agreed, but I think at some point it has to happen. Growing up in NYC I
    Never encouraged this my town is better than yours. However the demographics in many towns are changing and there is not as much of this as I have seen in the past.

  311. homeboken says:

    Juice et all – If you use China as a comparable or to frame your reference, then our conversations should just stop now. There is absolutely nothing coming out of the CCP state news propaganda that can can or should be considered factual.

    If you think China is being honest about anything then I would love to talk to you about some CNY that I am selling at an awesome price!

  312. 3b says:

    Juice Do the chickens come home to roost with the Fed? How long can they let rates stay at zero, or go negative? Japan has been low rates for years. Do the bills ever have to be paid, or does it all just collapse?

  313. ExEssex says:

    12:14 no, they’ll print money which the gubmint will funnel to the pensioners. Grandma eats cat food or Bezos buys more surgery for his GF…In 2005, the 691 billionaires in the world is approximately 0.00001% of the world population. The total net worth of these 691 billionaires is $2.2 trillion, which increased from last year’s $300 billion, and is approximately 21% of the United States’ GDP. In the future, this trend of increasing numbers of billionaires and increasing wealth of these billionaires will continue through advanced technology and communications.

  314. ExEssex says:

    A record of 2,208 billionaires were in the ranking and the total wealth was $9.1 trillion, up 18% since 2017.

  315. joyce says:


    Federal response should be after going from a 2 week stay at home to an indefinite stay at home, why didn’t you furlough employees that aren’t working? UE spend would increase but not by as much and the Feds are supporting that. Boom, Federal aid.

  316. Hold my beer says:


    A city in the DFW area is furloughing employees for 3 days in May to save money. Other cities are considering doing something similar.


    With the lack of money coming in from permits and other sources, you’d think towns in NJ would at least reduce non emergency personnel hours to 60% to 80% of normal work week so they can keep their benefits and the town saves money.

  317. joyce says:

    Yes, do something for crying out loud.

    NJ tells some private sector workers you’re no longer legally allowed to work, go collect UE… and also tells some public sector workers not to work but don’t worry you’ll be paid 100%.

    We’re all in this together. This is not political. This is science. Well, it’s math.

  318. Deadconomy says:

    Double edged sword. Govt lays them off and has to pay them unemployment. Since most state employees are paid very little, a good majority of the state workers would actually be better off on unemployment with the extra 600 from the federal govt.

    joyce says:
    April 30, 2020 at 2:47 pm
    Yes, do something for crying out loud.

    NJ tells some private sector workers you’re no longer legally allowed to work, go collect UE… and also tells some public sector workers not to work but don’t worry you’ll be paid 100%.

    We’re all in this together. This is not political. This is science. Well, it’s math.

  319. Deadconomy says:

    Joyce, for such a smart gal, why didn’t you get a govt job? You seem to think they have it made?

  320. Hold my beer says:


    She’s got standards.

  321. homeboken says:

    An honest question for the Biden supporters:

    What is your opinion on Biden not addressing the Tara Read allegations at all for a month now? It seems like he is putting a lot of unecessary pressure on his potential VP picks, all of whom are women that have historically been very vocal in their support of #metoo.

    I get it that his campaign denied the allegation but his silence is peculiar to me.

    The very recent news of how the Lt. General Flynn case is going only adds fuel to the fire on the right that so many arms of the government have been politicized and all in favor of the left-side of the aisle, at least recently.

  322. chicagofinance says:

    J Crew bk

  323. njtownhomer says:

    On pension issues, and many other debt, wouldn’t a hyperinflation be a solution? We need a debt-jubilee perhaps but no-one can do it. In fact, inflation would smooth out a lot of things, including the super inflated FED balance sheets?

  324. ExEssex says:

    4:01 zero f’cks given.

  325. Juice Box says:

    hyperinflation? People then won’t trade in dollars, that would be the end of our empire.

  326. Juice Box says:

    Homeboken – He isn’t doing interviews or campaigning with reporters around so he does not have to answer the question that cannot be asked. When is Joe going on the talk show circuit? He did Fallon a month ago, and you can bet there was an agreement to not ask certain questions. Same will be for most Talk show interviews going forward.

  327. Inflation Not4Ever says:

    You don’t want to go there. That is Latin America and many 3rd world sh!tholes in a nutshell. Just look at Weimar Germany.

    Whoever is the click in power steals with inflation, leaving ashes for the average person with no hope except getting emigration. Eventually, piss off enough that you get a nasty dictator with funny names and mustaches. And always kicking back to a religion that wears a funny beaner hat as a lot of banking house are of that religion aka Goldman Sachs.

    njtownhomer says:
    April 30, 2020 at 4:17 pm
    On pension issues, and many other debt, wouldn’t a hyperinflation be a solution? We need a debt-jubilee perhaps but no-one can do it. In fact, inflation would smooth out a lot of things, including the super inflated FED balance sheets?

  328. Walking says:

    Doctor salaries plunging as elective surgeries are suspended. Perhaps some nice homes go on sale soon? Im hearing several Wall Street Equity firms that own the major practices in NJ have given large cuts to physicians. Hopefully anyone going through this was smart enough to remove the restrictive covenant as part of the pay cut.

  329. 3b says:

    Just spoke to a friend today they had a virtual all hands meeting today. NYC firm around 5,000 people. CEO told the employees, that the whole office space needs is being looked at, and 6 weeks into this, many of the job functions are being conducted remotely and successfully. They expect when the lockdown is over, many of the positions will remain WFH, and will not be coming back to the office.

  330. Juice Box says:

    3b – time to decamp from NYC metro?

  331. leftwing says:


    Heart rendering. Patriotic. Symbolic of all we can do when we work together.

    It worked so well for the six patients a day treated on this 1,000 bed facility. Good isolation.

    Who’s paying for the ship and its stay?

  332. 3b says:

    Juice Well I think at the very least things are going to get very interesting.

  333. grim says:

    I would not be long commercial office space after this is over.

    We’ve moved 20,000 people home.

  334. Deadconomy says:


    Do you expect Paris, London, or Hong Kong to die? Why would you expect NYC to do the same? It’s like the stock market, it doesn’t go straight up, but it’s always higher highs and lower lows.

    WFH will fail just like offshoring did. People are much more productive at a workplace environment. Just facts.

  335. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    hyperinflation? People then won’t trade in dollars, that would be the end of our empire.

    I think a quick 50% devaluation gets you through this debt ridden mess on all levels. The world is in the same boat that we are because they’ve done the exact same thing. I don’t forsee hyperinflation because of the coordination between central banks but I do forsee massive devaluation. In general, inflation is always the easier solution to any problem we run into because raising taxes is just stupid and inflation is the invisible tax. But with this invisible tax, we get to tax the rest of the world because we suckered them into holding dollars.

  336. 3b says:

    Blue: I agree with you. 50 percent devaluation would clean out much of the excess, and reset the economy on a strong foundation.

  337. crushednjmillenial says:

    Good article linked below from Ed Yong at the Atlantic. I have enjoyed his coverage of the COVID pandemic. The article highlights the fog of war we are all experiencing going through this pandemic.

    Locally, now that NJ is re-opening parks and golf courses, the next logical immediate re-opening is construction.

    A lot of construction work is either outdoors or can be performed with a lot more ventilation than, for example, office work. Also, much less interaction with different people each day than consumer-facing work (like haircuts). Seems like low-hanging fruit to get people back to work.

    Further, to highlight the stupidity of construction still being “closed” in NJ today, April 30, 2020, is the fact that the Governor’s Executive Order “closing” construction is only aimed at approximately half of construction. The following types of construction have been open the whole pandemic: construction involving affordable housing, utility-involved construction and construction/renovation of a home which is subject to an already-signed lease or contract for imminent occupancy. However, a renovation of a home that doesn’t already have a signed lease or contract is currently “closed.”

    To be clear, right now, if you are building a new 100-unit apartment building, construction is closed. However, if there is one affordable unit in that under construction building, then construction is currently open. Obviously, the work conditions for the workers is the same in either case.


  338. 3b says:

    Grim I agree. Depending on how this all goes, if companies can dramatically reduce their real estate foot print it will mean significant savings to their bottom line, not just the cost of leasing the space, but all the associated costs that go with it. We are WFH, including our tech help desk, and they have been able to promptly address any tech issue that has arisen. It’s tough now for families with young children at home, but once the schools reopen, I would think that for many their quality of life will improve if they no longer have the 3 to 4 hour commute every day, as well as the cost savings. Of course companies can take advantage by limiting raises etc.

  339. Deadconomy says:

    It doesn’t matter. That land will be converted to some use. The value is in the dirt.

    Like I said, it will be a failing idea (wfh). Businesses will be at such an advantage that maintain a work space environment. Creativity goes through the roof. WFH workers become less ambitious, stop caring about how they look, and just have the life sucked out of them. Leaving the house for work is a good thing for the mind and body.

    If you think Facebook or google are going to have wfh, you are not seeing the light. They would have done it already, but they value having a creative environment to work in. It’s more productive for the business. Competitive advantage. Loser companies will grab the low hanging fruit to prevent their inevitable death by trying to reduce costs by wfh. You see Apple’s headquarters…they get it. That’s why they invested so much money in it.

    Is it a coincidence that every major tech company came from Silicon Valley? It was a bunch of creative minds coming together to live and work. That boosted their creativity and made them world leaders. It’s like a good sports team. It’s about how strong of a bond they have. If the athletes all practiced by themselves off some zoom bs, they would suck compared to the teams that maintain live group practices.

    grim says:
    April 30, 2020 at 7:31 pm
    I would not be long commercial office space after this is over.

    We’ve moved 20,000 people home.

  340. chicagofinance says:

    Service suspended. You can’t right now.

    Juice Box says:
    April 30, 2020 at 6:37 pm
    3b – time to decamp from NYC metro?

  341. 3b says:

    Sweet suffering Jesus, it just never ever stops!!

  342. Libturd, checking in on an otherwise way too busy day to participate says:

    BRT…yes, devaluation will be the solution. Will be nice to watch Wall Street cringe and complain as they will not be able to buy another yacht this year.

    Grim is right about commercial real estate too. You didn’t hear it from me, but a lot of us are going to be staying WFH after this. I always extolled the huge advantages and potential pitfalls, but none is more greater than having your worker have the ability to stretch their work day without trying to rely on public transit. It’s a huge benefit to both the company and the employee.

    In other news, on Friday I was called in to the Union plant to work with a Canon rep on something only I had the knowledge to handle. Making yourself a sole product knowledge expert is great for job security typically. Unfortunately, it nearly backfired on me in a horrible way. That Canon rep ended up reporting that he had the virus on Monday prompting a shut down and deep cleaning of the plant. Due to having not been given enough notice to figure out how to cover my childcare responsibilities, I did the best I could to help the rep remotely. I did go into the plant yesterday to finish the job and was dismayed by what I saw in the lack of protections against the spread of Covid-19. I was the only person wearing gloves and most of my coworkers had masks, but rarely used them. I was even poked fun at for wearing my gloves and mask. My favorite part of the day was when three members of the plant leadership all ordered in deli and ate together in a tiny conference room. They invited me to join them, but I wisely passed. When I blew the whistle to my superior he said the problem is even worse in our larger facilities in Ohio. There you have the workers who want to protect themselves at odds with the workers who feel they should not be forced to protect themselves due to their political beliefs. It’s really a cluster, but I think HR sent those not willing to abide by company protection expectations home. Good times.

    Finally, I have this funny feeling that the market breaks through the recently orderly uptrend with a pretty large down day tomorrow on the back of Apple and Amazon reports, with unclear future projections.

  343. zapaza19 says:

    The last 5 years of my working career I WFH. And I was in IT. If you think that made us less productive, then I have a covered bridge here in Hunterdon county to sell you. Once you are stable WFM, the company has you by the balls. Top management assumes the lower rung is available just about 24 hours a day. That attitude then permeates down each successive level of management down to the nuts and bolts guys.

    Some nights, when I was pursued by my a-hole manager, I resorted to stating I had several drinks and could not function. That was a big lie, of course, since I can’t handle
    more than 1 drink without getting sick. It did get him off my back temporarily.

  344. JCer says:

    This is crazy but I’m going to agree with pumpkin. Working from home is less efficient for many things. If you are doing production work like operations it is relatively easy to work from home. If you are doing anything that requires collaboration it seems we have more meetings than ever and the days are 12 hours to do what was being done in 8 or 9. Also forget what employers want, I think most employees will think twice about a gig that’s remote.

    My job is flexible, we are allowed to work from home as much as we like and frankly I did like once a week. It is much harder to collaborate without being co-located and frankly it is easier to corner people to get answers and information when you are co-located. Sometimes the old ways are the best ways, all the video conferencing in the world cannot replace human interaction.

  345. 3b says:

    JCer I don’t think it will all go WFH, or every function, but a lot positions/functions certainly can, and once more widely embraced, improvements and enhancements will come. I would think that most couples with young children would welcome not having to do the commute, and even have more of an evening to spend with their children.

  346. Hold my beer says:

    Libturd Lots of first responders and construction workers who worked the pile at ground zero didn’t wear masks either for various reasons.

    There are lots of companies who have shared or hot desks and only expect you to go into the office once in a while.

  347. Deadconomy says:


    Do you understand that some people like a commute. It’s not the worst thing in the world. Some quiet time to listen to great music, podcasts, or as Depeche Mode said best…”enjoy the silence.” There is good and bad in anything.

    Do you know that dogs lengthen your life? Why? Humans are social creatures. If you get trapped in a cage (if your home becomes work), it’s not good for your long term health. People that retire and just sit isolated in their house die a quick death most of the time. People that continue to use their mind, and interact, live as long as buffet and his side kick.

    The future is creativity and social interactions. There will be so much more time for social interactions as innovation takes away the 9-5 day. Retail will come back as some sort of social interactive experience. Hard to fathom in a time when humans are more isolated, but it’s inevitable. We are social species that does best in social settings. Interactions stimulate the life force in us. Isolation sucks it dry like a vampire.

    My grandmother is 89 and still going. Mind still there. Why? She never stopped keeping herself busy in retirement. Prob worked harder in retirement than when she actually worked. Do her garden, walk to church each day to interact for social aspect. Plus, she had a huge family, so she was never locked away in an old people’s home or trapped in an adult only community. She lived her life in old age as she always had and I think the result was a much longer life happier life.

    Point of this, we are not meant to be trapped isolated by ourselves all day. It’s not good for your long term health.

  348. Deadconomy says:


    My wife is the same thing. Working longer hours than when she was at work. It’s just not as efficient. Maybe for some jobs it works, but for a lot, don’t want to sign up for 24/7 service. They will even have you on vacation…you can work remotely. Scary stuff.

  349. njtownhomer says:

    BRT’s idea of devaluation by 50% works for me too. That is too much inflation anyway. My hyperinflation was not that hyperinflation, but was about 2-5X against things like gold. All the globe is going on a parallel note anyways, they would have followed.

    On WFH, in 2-3 years this shall pass in many fronts. I like my ex-company policy. 3 out of 5 days meet in office, huddle up and work together. So it is a partial WFH and gather in office. Some software companies totally can skip office part and choose to spend money on meeting in Vegas or Orlando in a focused conference setting. That has a lot of advantages. I understand legally some finance folks can only trade from office computers, or need to be there, and possibly some legal folks too. However more IT-dependent jobs will be definitely moving more to WFH or even outright going abroad. In a strange way, once WFH I’d say management has less incentive for raise and promotions, claiming WFH is a big perk anyway.

  350. Deadconomy says:

    I think out of all the opinions on wfh, you nailed it. Some sort of hybrid form will come of it. They say the 4 day office and 5th day home is the most productive. The workers are really happy with this balance. It’s almost a 50/50 spilt from work and home. Balance is everything in life. Moderation is key…this fits that.

  351. Libturd says:

    BTW, though not required, I visit an office around once per week. This has more value to me than to the company as I don’t them to forget I exist. I get no work done on those days since the fools who used to like to shoot the sh1t with me all day long try to make up for lost time now that they see me less often. The lack of unnecessary interruptions are a huge productivity gainer for me when WFH. As for all of those meetings. Yeah, I went through that the first few days until I either stopped attending meetings where it was mostly wasted time as my expertise wasn’t required or I simply asked for someone else to attend in my place who would skype me any questions they needed answered. I hate conference calls in which I am not needed, though that is mostly when I find my blog time. :P

    And yes, there are jobs that don’t make sense for WFHomers as well as there are employees that can’t be trusted to work unsupervised.

    Unemployment report tomorrow?

  352. ExEssex says:

    Warren Buffett’s preferred stock-market gauge hit a record high, signaling that stocks are overvalued and that a crash could be coming.
    The “Buffett indicator” divides the total value of publicly traded stocks by quarterly GDP.
    “It is probably the best single measure of where valuations stand at any given moment,” Buffett wrote in a Fortune magazine article in 2001.
    The famed investor and Berkshire Hathaway boss said it was “a very strong warning signal” when the indicator peaked just before the dot-com bubble burst.

  353. ExEssex says:

    Grim, any chance of a false negative test ?

    I understand the Roche test is accurate the others not as much.

  354. grim says:

    Possibly? I didn’t see the results paperwork to know if it’s a scale or just some kind of positive/negative. It was the Quest test, which I understand to be at the top end as well.

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