C19 Open Discussion Week 9c

From the Star Ledger:

Gym owner says he’ll reopen Monday, whether or not Murphy allows it 

A business owner in Bellmawr has decided to “take matters into our own hands” by opening his gym in defiance of a state-ordered closing of nonessential businesses.

Ian Smith, co-owner of Atilis Gym, said he plans to open at 8 a.m. Monday for members.

Smith said they’ve decided to limit capacity to 20% or about 44 people at a time, but he expects “thousands” of people to show up after a primetime national television interview Wednesday.

“At the end of the day, we’re doing what we feel is right,” Smith told NJ Advance Media on Thursday. “This is not going to be fun for us. I didn’t want to be the person to stand up, take a punch in the face right for the greater good.”

But, he said, it had to be done. Smith appeared in a five-minute segment Wednesday on Tucker Carlson Tonight on Fox News.

Smith told Carlson he thought Gov. Phil Murphy’s order to close nonessential business was unfair and an infringement on his Constitutional rights.

“Our main objective is to show the world, but especially the governor, that we reject the premise of essential versus nonessential businesses. Our goal is to make a statement. We don’t need a nanny state to tell us you can’t go outside.”

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142 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 9c

  1. D-FENS says:

    Martha grills NJ governor on failure to protect the elderly from Coronavirus


  2. grim says:

    He’s slick on the questions, give him that. He does not waver from the script, ever.

  3. Hold my beer says:

    Does his hair always look that bad?

  4. grim says:

    Distract you from looking at his teeth.

  5. homeboken says:

    Whoa! This is definitely a recipe for success. Go get em Joe. Also – Biden will not be the D nominee. Bet me!


  6. D-FENS says:

    I guess politicians are allowed to get haircuts.

    Hold my beer says:
    May 15, 2020 at 7:19 am
    Does his hair always look that bad?

  7. grim says:

    Mocking idiots on the FB Reopen NJ group is the most fun I’ve had all week.

    Bittersweet though, because it’s a real slap in the face that there are really, so many f8cking idiots out there.

  8. grim says:

    Oh my god, it’s so good. You guys are really missing out.

  9. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Hackers Say They Have Trump’s ‘Dirty Laundry’ and Want $42 Million to Keep It Secret
    The anonymous hackers this week crippled the computer systems of high-profile celebrity law firm Grubman Shire Meiselas & Sacks claiming to have stolen 756GB of highly-confidential documents.”


  10. Fast Eddie says:

    Oh my god, it’s so good. You guys are really missing out.

    Are you opposed or for? I don’t understand.

  11. Grim says:


    But not for the same reasons.

  12. Juice Box says:

    re”But not for the same reasons.”

    malicious joy aka Schadenfreude

    Is that about right Grim?

  13. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – more like they want the Feds to get involved in their ransomware attack.

    These lawyers should simply restore the data from the last good backup and call it a day, the ransomware folks are not within reach of anyone but perhaps seal team six.

  14. Juice Box says:

    Had a meeting with the FBI to discuss what they could do in the event of ransomware attack. The advice above is what we got.

    BTW over the years I have had retired military including Seals and retired FBI working on my team. There is no better plan in place for most companies other than restore the data from the last good backup, but with the cloud today many companies aren’t even doing that. Eventually I expect Microsoft itself will get hit hard. It’s only a matter of time.

  15. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:


    School districts built their 2020-21 budgets based on state funding figures announced in February, when New Jersey’s revenues were healthy. But Gov. Phil Murphy’s administration now projects a $10 billion drop in revenue projections through next year, leaving state aid in question.

    The good news is, Christie already gutted most of the state funding from the suburbs.

  16. Walking says:

    Juice thanks for the advice, thumb drives are cheap, time to make a backup of onedrive. Someone should make a fire proof thumb drive cigar box to store them in.

  17. Fast Eddie says:

    Re: School districts:

    1) Cut the Administrators first.
    2) Reduce salaries on teachers by 10% to 15% for 2021. A job is better than no job.

  18. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I’ll agree to cutting the admin. But if they tried to cut my salary, I would quit. I can do other things.

    There’s no need. The budget is in place and they saved a ton of money not hearing schools and cancelling sports.

  19. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:


  20. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Jesus this friggin phone … Heating

  21. LurksMcGee says:

    I started to google hewting to figure out if that was a unique cost saving measure for education :)

  22. Fast Eddie says:


    I think you’re on to something:


  23. ExEssex says:

    12:01 whatever magic spell the schools have cast over the masses has broken.
    Just the fact that whatever nonsense is passing for teaching and learning is finally being exposed. Weak curriculum and unimaginative teachers. Think teachers are getting a raise after this boondoggle? Think again. Tax base is decimated which means cuts, cuts, cuts. Don’t even get me started on colleges.

  24. chicagofinance says:

    My wife’s salary is $61.000, so we should cut it to $51,000 to $56,000? To be clear, I am a capitalist. I see what she does and at the level she does it. She would be earning $250,000-$300,000 in the private sector….. possibly more…. the customers of her services I don’t believe completely comprehend it.

    Fast Eddie says:
    May 15, 2020 at 11:46 am
    Re: School districts:

    1) Cut the Administrators first.
    2) Reduce salaries on teachers by 10% to 15% for 2021. A job is better than no job.

  25. chicagofinance says:

    Case in point…..

    grim says:
    May 15, 2020 at 8:11 am
    Mocking idiots on the FB Reopen NJ group is the most fun I’ve had all week.

    Bittersweet though, because it’s a real slap in the face that there are really, so many f8cking idiots out there.

  26. JCer says:

    These hackers are very stupid. If they indeed have dirt on the president, they are as good as dead. Even if they are in Russia. You go after someone with the resources the president has at his discretion you are asking for serious problems.

    The only way to avoid situations like this is to build security into you data storage, unfortunately law firms are even more technologically challenged than banks and brokerages. You want to make sure that if someone gets access they can’t do anything with the data they get access to.

    Truthfully if I were running a sensitive business like this law firm, I’d be running an encrypted file system(encFS) and the keys would not be online, they’d be rotated and distributed to the users, good luck to a non-government entity breaking AES-256 encrypted files. This is how my personal data is stored in the cloud, I don’t want amazon or microsoft looking at my files….

  27. ExEssex says:

    I’m pretty sure they’re eating bats again in Wuhan.

  28. No One says:

    I was not a fan of the Tucker Carlson show after he took over the 8pm slot on Fox, and I still abhor Hannity. But in the past several months Carlson has been unusually good and willing to argue non-consensus views. When most of the media was nonstop focused on impeachment, he was one of the first mainstream voices to warn about the threat of coronavirus. He was one of the first to bring on guests to help provide information about the abuse and later the coverups going on in China. He wasn’t generally anti-lockdown early, but over the past month when it became clear that the curve was flat enough to not overwhelm hospitals, he’s repeatedly pointed out the goalpost-moving nature of the authorities, of the inaccurate and contradictory forecasts and advice from experts. In past weeks he has become a populist for personal liberty, with a running segment called “shut up and obey” highlighting the fascist behavior and hypocrisies of the many mediocrities who have used this crisis to attempt to turn all of their commands into law, (often while personally flouting them.)
    I don’t agree with everything he talks about but it’s a great contrast to the constant state of fear and servility that CNN and most other news organizations are promoting.

    BTW, as soon as a democrat is president, those same news organizations will very quickly decide that people and workplaces are all safe again, and will return to their comfortable position as the state’s bootlickers. Just as Fox will revert from its position of “The President does nothing wrong”, back to “The President does nothing right.”

  29. D-FENS says:

    What’s with the Trump/Murphy bromance? I don’t get the angle here…

    I am proud to announce that
    will receive $1.4B in CARES Act funding to assist in their continued operations and to keep people moving in the NY/NJ area! The LARGEST single Federal transit grant to New Jersey Transit ever. Together, we will prevail!

  30. 3b says:

    Consolidate New Jersey school districts go to county school system like most states. And consolidate all these small little towns. Should have been done years ago.

  31. D-FENS says:

    Just received a call from President
    , who informed me about this critical federal support. This funding will help keep our trains and buses running and continue the improvements we’ve made to
    . Thank you, Mr. President!

  32. 3b says:

    River Edge, Oradell, Emerson in Bergen Co should be one town. Westwood and Washington Township another town. Lots more examples.

  33. D-FENS says:

    Not going to happen under this Administration. NJEA had a big part in Murphy’s election. No way he betrays them.

    Murphy is likely going to get a fed bailout out of Trump.

    3b says:
    May 15, 2020 at 1:32 pm
    Consolidate New Jersey school districts go to county school system like most states. And consolidate all these small little towns. Should have been done years ago.

  34. D-FENS says:

    Trump called into NJ101.5, talked to Bill Spadea and gushed about Murphy


  35. 3b says:

    Defens. I agree don’t know about the bailout part but yes they won’t allow it. But it is the solution.

  36. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Told you, Murphy is a damn good governor. Guy knows how to get stuff done unlike fat Christie, who just blamed and bullied people.

  37. D-FENS says:

    He’s not doing a very good job if he has to beg the federal government for a cash infusion to keep the state from going over a fiscal cliff. Stop sniffing bath salts.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    May 15, 2020 at 2:05 pm
    Told you, Murphy is a damn good governor. Guy knows how to get stuff done unlike fat Christie, who just blamed and bullied people.

  38. Nomad says:

    Good read from NYU business prof Scott Galloway. He’s been an outspoken critic of higher ed even though thats how me makes his living. Article subject is The Coming Disruption of College… Lots of colleges are going to go the way of brick and mortar retail.


  39. homeboken says:

    Biden says “Tara Reid deserves to have her claims fully investigated and vetted”. Even though he claims that vetting was completed and found nothing.

    So Joe, can you grant access to your files at U if Deal. And let us investigate this claim?

    “Here’s the deal…if someone believes Tara Reed then they should probably vote for someone else, I mean I wouldn’t vote for me if I believe her”.

    Please DNC, I am begging you. Give me a candidate other than Biden to vote for.

    Trump vs Biden = Trump will win 43 states, minimum.

  40. homeboken says:

    U of Delaware*

  41. JCer says:

    Biden said we’ve lost 85,000 jobs and millions of people from COVID, the guy is a Gaffe machine. Locking him in a basement is probably the expedient move, he can’t even read a teleprompter.

  42. D-FENS says:

    Maybe a fluff piece…who knows…

    Coronavirus spikes interest in small-town real estate: Redfin
    More homebuyers seek to escape urban crowds


    The coronavirus pandemic appears to have many Americans reconsidering where they want to live.

    Real estate firm Redfin said in a blog post Thursday that it’s seen “an exceptionally higher rate” of interest in homes located in small towns with populations under 50,000 compared to a year ago and even compared to last month.

    Redfin reported seeing a 105 percent year-over-year increase in page views of listings in small towns during the week that ended May 1, up from an 85 percent increase a month earlier.

    There had been an even larger surge of interest in rural areas with a population under 10,000 in a county. Redfin saw a 170 percent increase in page views the week ending April 1, but that interest has slowed to a 76 percent year-over-year increase more recently.

    Homes in urban metro areas saw a much smaller increase of just 16 percent for the week ending May 1, compared to a 13 percent decline a month earlier.

    “During the first month of the pandemic, interest in rural areas skyrocketed while interest in cities fell, with many urbanites dreaming of packing up and heading for the hills,” Redfin lead economist Taylor Marr said in the blog post.

    And while pending home sales are down all over, less populated areas haven’t been hit as hard as large cities, according to Redfin.

    It isn’t just the sales market that’s seen a boost. Real estate professionals told FOX Business in March they’d seen an influx of wealthy New Yorkers escaping the city for high-end rentals in areas like the Hamptons and Westchester County in New York and Nantucket and Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts.

    FOX Business’ Jeanette Settembre contributed to this report.

  43. 3b says:

    Jcer is it gaffe or something more. I don’t like to say he has dementia it’s an awful disease, but something is wrong.

  44. ExEssex says:

    2:11 massive reversal of fortune for states. No one can be “blamed” needing Fed $$$.

  45. ExEssex says:

    2:35 we’re really and truly fuct.
    But then you knew that.

  46. grim says:

    I’m pretty sure they’re eating bats again in Wuhan.

    Whoever said one person couldn’t change the world, never ate an undercooked bat.

  47. D-FENS says:

    $1 million to be paid to settle Katie Brennan’s lawsuit in the Murphy campaign rape scandal.


  48. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thinking about the WFH issue some more. If everyone works from home and we eliminate offices, the businesses just passed the tax bill to their workers. How? Commercial space payed a lot of govt taxes. Get rid of that, and who has to pick up the cost? That’s right….

    If only these turds looking for short term easy profit could see the long term damage they do with their short sightedness.

  49. Libturd says:

    I just took another look at the virus charts to see if the second wave is starting since the timing of reported cases based on the beginning of the freedom to be infected movement should be starting to show on the national charts. Now I wouldn’t say there is exactly a spike happening. But in many places, it does appear that the dropping rate of infections has either stopped dropping or is just starting to increase. Still, the change is not terribly significant yet. If I’m correct (which I truly don’t want to be), you’ll see the 2nd wave clear as day by the end of next week. And if it does, I pray we don’t reach that critical mass where the numbers explode upwards exponentially like they did in our area back in late March.

  50. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I already saw an article with the garbage industry asking towns for more money as they are dealing with much more garbage with everyone at home.

    So many costs are going to be passed onto the worker…what a scam. You should pay me extra to use my home and my towns services for your business, but of course this is not how it is being presented. Such bs..

  51. The Great Pumpkin says:

    They are not telling you where those savings are coming from….your pocket.

  52. Libturd says:


    What’s a million? Pump’s hero spent 16 million of his own money to buy the governorship. I know the he New Jersey Education Association, the state’s largest and most powerful teachers union, contributed $2.5 million to a “dark money” organization with close ties to Gov. Phil Murphy.

    Now here’s the best part. Guess what is the name of Murphy’s blood money PAC?

    New Direction.

    Hell of a vetted a name. Say it three times quickly and you’ll realize how much of a nincompoop our governor really is.

  53. Fast Eddie says:


    Turn the pool heater off! You’ll work to death the pretty lady with the pony tail!

  54. Bystander says:

    “Trump called into NJ101.5, talked to Bill Spadea and gushed about Murphy”

    This is how you know he is a sh&t governor.

  55. Bystander says:

    I am coming to realization that we are all f-ed living in this area going forward, particularly those who bought in last 15 years or so. You would have to be grade a moron to invest big here now. Here was a contact for a job in Hartford, rate at bottom. Granted not looking for cutting edge tech person but how many people tryuly qualify for this role and available? If this is a preview into labor market then how will area survive. I got $650/day for PM job at MS in city other dy.

    Proposed candidate should have a minimum Ten (15) years of Project Management and five (5) years Business Analysis experience, including:
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    Experience with change management activities, working collaboratively with business and technology owners, subject matter experts, software vendors, and end users;
    Experience managing data migration activities including development of data mapping and conversion strategy;
    Experience managing project resources, budgeting and financial reporting;
    Proficient in project management and MS Office tools, such as, MS-Project, MS-Visio, PowerPoint, Excel and Word;
    Knowledge of .Net Web and SQL Server technologies including SSRS and SSIS;

    Drum roll…$30/hr..no sh%t

  56. D-FENS says:

    All this talk of Governor Murphy is giving pumps a New Direction.

  57. Friday Dirty Sanch3z says:

    Sorry Grim,

    But I think it was not eating, but peanut butter on a body part and trying to coach the bat to do the deed. I think our Wuhan Virus/Bat Herpes patient zero was a Bat Mol3st3r.

    Humans, they will not let go of a fast quickie.

    grim says:
    May 15, 2020 at 2:50 pm
    I’m pretty sure they’re eating bats again in Wuhan.

    Whoever said one person couldn’t change the world, never ate an undercooked bat.

  58. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    Against my best intentions, I joined the reopen NJ Facebook group.

    All I’ve got to say is, I have to accelerate my Costa Rica plans. What an unbelievable collection of the dumbest people ever. Just wow.

    I blame you Grim. Isn’t it possible to be freedom loving and not a complete moron?

  59. Libturd says:

    Never have I witnessed such a large collection of stupid. That group is like fly tape for morons.

    I just left. It’s too easy.

  60. leftwing says:

    “If I’m correct (which I truly don’t want to be), you’ll see the 2nd wave clear as day by the end of next week. And if it does, I pray we don’t reach that critical mass where the numbers explode upwards exponentially like they did in our area back in late March.”

    There will clearly be a second wave on reopening. Every medical professional states it. Reason dictates so.

    The only question is did we accomplish a flattening of the curve so that these cases have open hospital beds.

  61. Libturd says:


    I think we are pretty much on the same page. I really don’t know what that critical mass was, but I hope we don’t hit it. But after visiting that page, I worry more about their collective political desire to spread this thing as quickly and widely as possible.

    These fools are actually advocating not ever wearing masks or taking any vaccines. They also believe everything is a conspiracy. I mean EVERYTHING. It’s addicting to go on there and troll them, but I just don’t have the time.

  62. Libturd says:

    And money for Murphy rape victim is coming from taxpayer dollars. I wonder how many laid off teachers that could have paid for?

  63. ExEssex says:

    3:03 duuude. It was like a bathtub.
    Adjusted it down to 85 after that. LOL

  64. grim says:

    Never have I witnessed such a large collection of stupid. That group is like fly tape for morons.

    It was mostly intelligent, small business owners a week or two ago.

    Now it’s just a bunch of raving antivax lunatics.

  65. Hold my beer says:


    North texas hospitalization rates for the four most populous counties with over 6 million residents among them.

    Texas started reopening two weeks ago. We will find out in the next two weeks if we get a surge or plateau.

    Tarrant is a bit skewed since there has been an outbreak in a federal hospital prison in fort worth the last two weeks that has caused over 600 cases.


  66. leftwing says:

    Lib, there’s so much idiocy out there. Not kidding, this morning there was an announcer (CBS I think) lamenting that deaths are increasing.

    Deaths are increasing. Well, yeah….unless I missed the fcuking Resurrection while staring at my computer screen that is pretty much a lock to occur, no?

    How the hell can you give someone like that a national mic. Do the program editors even have a college degree?

  67. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Chipotle is a mystery to me. Their stock is nearing 1000? Their mile long lunch lines completely disappeared a few years back. I guess maybe that many people order by doordash? They opened one in my town, a whole three blocks away from the one in the town over. Makes no sense to me.

  68. joyce says:

    A month from now, we’ll be talking about how the economy is bouncing back faster than expected.

  69. D-FENS says:

    Either the tests are horsesh1t or there can never be a vaccine.

    WASHINGTON (AP) – Five sailors on the aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to a COVID-19 outbreak have gotten the virus for the second time and have been taken off the ship

  70. leftwing says:

    “Chipotle is a mystery to me. Their stock is nearing 1000?”

    There’s an entire group of stocks representing WFH/SIP. Chipotle is in that bucket. Move up on down days as money rotates, flat or maybe slightly down on up days….cumulatively, pushes them to head scratching levels…..

  71. ExEssex says:

    Five percent of New York City’s population, or 420,000 people, left between March 1 and May 1 amid the coronavirus pandemic
    Some neighborhoods such as the Upper East Side, SoHo and the West Village emptied by at least 40%
    The majority fled to vacation homes in places such as Long Island, upstate New York, Pennsylvania, the Jersey Shore and Florida
    Residents who fled typically were white, had rents of more than $2,000 per month, had college degrees or higher and earned incomes of more than $100,000
    New York City is home to 8.399 million people, according to 2018 census data

  72. joyce says:

    What’s the difference between the Governor’s Restart and Recovery Commission and the Restart and Recovery Advisory Council?



  73. 3b says:

    I never underood Chipotle. It is the most unappetizing food
    I have ever seen. It looks like the slop they served in my high school cafeteria.

  74. NJCoast says:

    The beach we’ve had to ourselves became inundated today. No socially distancing, barely any masks. Basically a free for all. The beach club is opening just the beach Memorial weekend. They are still trying to figure out how to manage the facilities. The pool is saltwater that they empty/refill every night. Although a front end loader was putting the portable cabanas on the beach. They can’t afford to refund membership fees so it will be come at your own risk.

  75. Hold my beer says:


    If you can come up with a product or service that makes people fatter or dumber you have a great chance of success.

    Look at what restaurants with mediocre food become huge chains and the celebrities the media fawns over.

  76. Hold my beer says:

    A woman in Singapore went out in public without a mask. When the police stopped her she claimed she was a sovereign citizen and those laws didn’t apply to her. Singapore placed her in a mental institution for evaluation while waiting for her next court date


  77. homeboken says:

    Pumps – Re: Garbage –

    I do not follow that logic. People produce more garbage during a 24 period at home than they do at work? Enough MORE garbage that the sanitation companies need more money to handle it all?

    OR, now hear me out, could it be that the folks in the garbage industry see that there is money flowing and they want to get their piece? I know that may be hard to believe since the NJ garbage business has been a paradigm of morality.

  78. Fabius Maximus says:

    Yes garbage is way up. Given the amount of online shopping my neighbor is doing, the recycling alone will be through the roof.

    Also everyone round here areemptying basements and throwing a lot of crap out.

    It would make senses for munis to offer a small increase to limit the massive bill they will be hit with on renewal.

  79. Fabius Maximus says:

    Grim that FB page is amazing.

    White privilege on steroids fueled by AstroTurf posters.

    While I can empathize with the Tanning Salon owner that cant open, the guy calling for AR owners to stand outside the gym that Murphy says should stay closed is clearly not from NJ.

    But WOW, what a lot of Cray Cray!

  80. ExEssex says:

    I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth:


  81. Fabius Maximus says:

    Mrs Fab is on a shopping spree.

    The above ground pool I am OK with. Its not an in-ground and she can have fun with the Backhoe rental and stone delivery. Deal is, she has to install it herself. She is more than capable of and will keep her happy for a few weeks.

    For me its that, or let her rent a Townhouse in LBI for a week.

    What will the shore look like this year?
    What will the Keys look like this year?

    For me I just need Sandy hook camping on the beach to open for a week.

  82. Grim says:

    I had to leave – it was too painful.

  83. Libturd says:

    I just hooked Gator on it. She might not sleep tonight.

  84. njtownhomer says:

    Chipotle 20 years ago in TX was slick, tasty and novel. It is plastic now, smells like repeatedly frozen food and greasy now.

    As for the stock market, there is no logic anymore, it is a musical chairs game for most of the tickers.

  85. JCer says:

    I used to be a frequent chipotle diner, I can explain the appeal and all the problems with it. The food is decent, the quantity is filling and it does involve some real food which is rare amongst fast food. For $10 you can get a pretty filling burrito, it is much better than deep fried fast food or burgers or a subway sandwich and it is relatively fast. Web ordering is good because of the lines in the city.

    Now their issues, what they were doing required a competent staff with an understanding of food safety. The founder never really put the effort into making it a scalable operation. The variance in the food produced is astounding it is not consistent at all. Operating a fast food restaurant one needs to assume that their employees will have the mental capacity of a mentally handicapped person and they will be more unreliable than can be imagined. Chipotle didn’t do that and they give people food poisoning on the regular. The layout of most chipotle restaurants is food poisoning waiting to happen.

    Surprisingly enough it has grown to be incredibly successful and no one is really competing with them. The business model is insanely simple, it’s not too hard to make burritos, it’s not too hard to make better burritos than Chipotle. The appeal chipotle has is market saturation, the food is mediocre and they have increased prices accordingly.

  86. BoomerRemover says:

    I drove into the five boroughs today. I swear every time I drive in, it just feels that much more like Mogadishu. I was in Corona and my god, I mean it’s not abject poverty because a family of twelve is sitting on a cool mil in equity, but it sure as fk looked like it.

    I then drove through Bushwick and down into the Prospect Park area. A lot of tired looking faces, people just worn down a bit.

    I headed south through Borough Park where zero fks were given. There was even a no mask lemonade stand across the street from a precinct, where surprisingly a small line had formed. I finished in southern Brooklyn, a mix of masked up south asian pros and a few remaining soccer clubs with guys spraying spittle at each other with their masks dangling off one ear.

    What a hustle.

  87. Juice Box says:

    re : Chipolte – For $10 you can get a pretty filling burrito.

    Yup get mine loaded up cut it in half and save it for the rest for lunch the next day, so $5 for dinner and $5 for lunch..

  88. Juice Box says:

    Vote by mail in NJ what could go wrong?

    Bring out your dead….


    “a limited number of in-person polling places will be open on election day”

    Tweet from Gov Phil.

    Our July 7th primary will be a primarily vote-by-mail election.

    ALL registered Democratic and Republican voters will receive a postage-paid vote-by-mail ballot.

    ALL unaffiliated and inactive voters will receive a postage-paid vote-by-mail ballot application.

    We will ensure that a limited number of in-person polling places in each county will be open to ensure that everyone can exercise their right to vote.

    The deadline by which votes must be received by a county Board of Elections to be counted as valid will be extended from 48 hours after polls close to SEVEN DAYS after polls close.

    We will ensure every vote is counted.

    No one should have to choose between their health and exercising their right to vote

  89. Tominclifton says:

    Re: 5% of nyc fleeing. is this too late to have any impact on the census and redistricting?

  90. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Millennials are justifiably outraged over the growing wealth gap. Here’s what gets lost, though. While the average person may be slipping further behind the wealthy, they are still better off in absolute terms than they were 50 years ago, in income and net worth. Median household income in 1969 was about $68,000 in today’s dollars (adjusted for inflation). Today, it’s slightly lower, $64,000, even though there’s been a rise in two-income families. But households were larger then. Per person, each of us has about 20 percent more income than a typical person did in 1969.

    Taxes are much lower now than they were in 1969. Overall, things are cheaper. While health care and education costs have risen faster than inflation, many everyday items have become much less expensive. A round trip New York–London air ticket cost $550 back then, about what it costs now. But once inflation is considered, that $550 ticket would cost over $3,700 in today’s dollars. The cheapest color TVs cost the equivalent of $3,000, which is why only one in three homes owned one.

    Best of all is phone usage. In 1969, according to Federal Communications Commission data, rates varied by location, distance, time of day and type of call (business vs. residence). A typical 10-minute chat cost about $15 in today’s dollars, and much more if the location was more than a few miles away. These days, the average person spends almost three hours a day on their phone—calling, texting, browsing, etc.—so your cellphone bill would be about $8,000 a month if you were paying the usage rates we paid. You may still be broke, but you’re surrounded by better stuff.


  91. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Aren’t these rich people just using second homes during the quarantine? Why would they not count for census? Not like they are going to live in vacation homes for good.

    Tominclifton says:
    May 16, 2020 at 8:17 am
    Re: 5% of nyc fleeing. is this too late to have any impact on the census and redistricting?

  92. The Great Pumpkin says:

    These techies keep trying to push WFH. I wonder how much this has to do with the bias that comes with making lots of money off of WFH platforms. Push that crap on us so they can make a quick buck.

    It’s like a dentist or lawyer that works out of his home. If it’s so damn beneficial, why do they always choose to have an office? Or mechanic? Why not work out of your driveway. Conducting business from home is for losers.

    Just imagine the damage you do to yourself by barely leaving your house. You never get that feeling of leaving work. It’s always there up in your face. Sure, this is okay for some as they are losers and have no life, but for the majority, it’s just not healthy.

    How do you take a day off, or if sick, how do you get your employer to leave you alone? Ding sound…text from boss…I know you are sick, but can you just quickly update that file for me. What are you going to say? No?

  93. Tominclifton says:

    Most yes. But a good portion of them ain’t coming back. (IMO of course)
    Was wondering if the census is too far along to impact the congressional seats math this year.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    May 16, 2020 at 8:26 am
    Aren’t these rich people just using second homes during the quarantine? Why would they not count for census? Not like they are going to live in vacation homes for good.

  94. The Great Pumpkin says:


    NYC is like the stock market…it has ups and downs in its growth story. Long term, nyc will be bigger and stronger. I don’t know why people always do this, but they assume cities (huge population centers) are not in our future. Cities are the only way you can continue to sustain 7 billion people. You can’t spread them out, they have to live in dense settings in order to supply individuals with what they need to survive.

    Point here, populations will continue to build around major cities. This will never change. You saw it happen over the last 10 years, and a virus is not going to change that long term.

  95. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Real estate executive William Rudin told CNBC on Friday that he is confident New York City’s economy will eventually overcome the challenges wrought by the coronavirus.

    “The obituary of New York has been written many times,” Rudin said on “The Exchange.” “The social, human interaction that has always been part of the strength of New York City will come back. It’s going to take a little time … but it will come back.”

    New York City has been a major hot spot in the U.S. outbreak, with more than 190,000 cases, according to Johns Hopkins University, and some question how the crisis will impact the city long term. Questions have been raised about the real estate market, in particular, as some residents may decide to leave the city altogether and companies may reduce their office footprint in favor of more remote work.

    Rudin, CEO and co-chairman of Rudin Management Co., said dire predictions about New York City’s fate have been raised during previous challenges faced by the city but ultimately did not prove true.

    “In the early ’90s, we had 30 million feet of vacant space in Lower Manhattan. Everybody said it wasn’t going to come back. After 9/11, nobody was going to come back into an office building [or] everybody was going to work below the 15th floor,” said Rudin, who also noted the impact Hurricane Sandy in 2012 had on the city.

    Rudin Management, founded in 1925, oversees 36 properties in New York City, 16 of which are commercial office buildings. The company has 18 residential buildings and two condominiums.

    Companies that do reduce their office footprint are opening the door for businesses, perhaps in different sectors, that may want it, Rudin argued.

    “There will be other companies that will step into the void,” he said. “We’ve got incredible research hospitals. We’ve got scientists. We’ve got medical institutions, they’re going to grow. Other companies will step in and use technology to be creative and be the companies of the future that we hope will fill in our spaces.”

    Rudin said part of his optimism is rooted in the research being done on a potential vaccine for the coronavirus, which has infected more than 4.5 million people across the world. He said that will be critical for New York City, but in the meantime the city and its residents will adapt and make changes.

    “Hopefully we’ll transition through, get to the point where vaccines and therapies are out there, and the city will be back, better and stronger,” said Rudin. He referenced a quote from his father, Lewis Rudin, a real estate titan who organized an effort to help New York City overcome a fiscal crisis in the 1970s.

    “My dad always said, ‘Never bet against New York City.’ So we’re continuing that,” he said.


  96. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b busted my chops, but my wife is working from home. I have listened to a conference call with her CEO in which he took the exact same position as this article. That’s where I got the idea that WFH is a short term trend reflective of the current environment with the virus.

    But continue to think I don’t have the experience to comment on this…

  97. Libturd, can't believe the country has to pull the lever for a dementia patient says:

    Check out this bill. Every time I think the Red Team is off their collective rockers, I am confronted by the Blue Team who must have collectively fallen out of their bassinets.


  98. Tominclifton says:

    >> Long term, nyc will be bigger and stronger.

    Ya, but define long term. 20+ years out? Sure, agreed. Over the next 5-10? Ehhh.

  99. homeboken says:

    Pumps – when you are arguing about the wealth/opportunity position of one generation vs another it is logically incorrect to use absolute terms of each generation. Here’s why: Perspective.

    A 22 year old that is laid off and has no wealth cares nothing of the story that “hey you are doing so much better than 22 year olds in 1960”.

    People are concerned with their life, not the lives of those before them at some period of time they didn’t live through.

    Imagine arguing with a homeless person that has to live in a shelter with her 3 kids. Would you tell her “hey, it’s not so bad, 50 years ago your kids would probably be dead from malnourishment and you wouldn’t even have a this homeless shelter to protect you!”.

    That entire article you posted is bullsh!t tripe. Praise your elders for the improvements that occured over decades, which by the way, they had nothing to do with creating.

  100. homeboken says:

    Insomnia thought –

    Now then – how likely do you think it will be that some elected politician, mayor, governor whatever, that is enacting extended shutdowns, ends up being assassinated by a business owner that lost their livliehood?

    Again, I hope it doesn’t happen, buy being a student of history, many leaders have been “removed” for much less.

  101. The Great Pumpkin says:

    5-10 is long term…10 years from now, all the real estate around us will be that much more expensive. Not because I have a house in Wayne, but because in 10 years NYC will have grown its economy that much more, attracting more people while creating a lot of success for those participants to go and drive up the price on everything in the nyc metro area making 3bs head boil.

  102. The Great Pumpkin says:


    That’s why history is important. People need to realize how good they have it because of capitalism. They tear this system down, they should understand that they are destroying their quality of life, not improving it. AOC and her kind need to understand this and just ignore the inequality at the top. Your life is good, cement that into your bias.

    It took me a long time to realize this. I was stuck in that obsessive trap of focusing on inequality. Hated the 1% for not doing more, but then I realized that they are. They have almost all their wealth tied up in trying to grow it, which means more for everyone else. The pie gets bigger. So taking from them only inhibits economic growth. At least that’s the conclusion I have come to, but maybe I’m wrong.

  103. Tominclifton says:

    I’m decoupling nnj RE from nyc proper here, though. I think the immediate suburbs will benefit from the out migration of nyc people. WFH isn’t moving to a 100% remote situation. But I can see a lot of positions being 2 days @ office for strategizing purposes. That opens up the the exurbs as being a more palpable commuting situation into manhattan. It’s a lot easier commuting from Clifton for 1 hr each way one or 2 days a week vs 5x/wk.

    I suspect this virus isn’t going to upend things as many are predicting. But it will def be the final straw for married couples to pull the trigger to migrate into the suburbs. 2-3 days WTH arrangements going forward. It bodes very well for NJ suburbia, but badly on NYC itself.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    May 16, 2020 at 9:32 am

  104. The Great Pumpkin says:


    I’ve been yelling and screaming for years that there would be an outflow to burbs. It’s a cycle. I was laughed at for saying that Wayne will eventually see good appreciation. This virus slowed appreciation down for the time being, but with how strong the economy was, it was coming hard. The city will eventually be a much better value as the burbs go up in price relative to city prices, and then start the cycle all over again.

    Higher highs, and higher lows…the nyc metro area real estate market is no different than the Dow Jones..

  105. 3b says:

    Pumps leave me out of your posts, and please,please get help your obsession with the value of your house in Wayne, dominates your life. Plus your lack of self awareness is stunning! You lecture the people on this blog about how corporate America works and what they will or won’t do after the pandemic is again stunning as many of us are in corporate America and have already been told what we might expect after this is over. Yet we are told by you it won’t happen, because you don’t want it to happen because it may negatively impact your house value. Get help!!

  106. 3b says:

    Tom In Clifton: Assuming you are not pumps, no one knows exactly how it will all
    play out once this is over, but WFH will be a big impact, heads of major Wall Street firms have already said this, and myself and others I know in various industries have already been told. Wall Street for instance was very resistant to WFH but this pandemic had changed it. The WFH was coming anyhow for many industries but has accelerated in this environment. The suburbs will see an influx of people but also and perhaps more so the exurbs which I believe will. A big part of the justification for high prices in the suburbs is closeness to NYC, if someone only goes into the office once or twice a week there is no need to pay big bucks to be close to NYC. This is what terrifies your boy

  107. Tominclifton says:

    Def not Pumps lol. And yes, that’s my contention as well. Def exurbs will see a boost as well. I can see Morristown area getting a very nice boost for example. But how far, is too far, for those who DO still need to go in 1-2x/week? Here from Clifton I commuted in for 3 years to Bryant Park. Door2Door was ~1hr15mins @ 7am bus from Allwood bus. Similar times from our train station. (Free parking still there woo) Coming home @ 6:30 would SUCK sometimes if you gambled wrong by taking the bus that day. 2hrs+ due to rt3 accidents usually. How’s that commute work even further out? I commuted for 1yr out of the rt23 park n ride in Wayne. I was drinking myself to death then.
    But of course, that may all be moot point if a good portion of people are WFH clearning up the usual traffic and/or those 1-2 days/wk are done on off-peak hrs. Say a random Wed @ 11am for a lunch meeting session and back home again. Time will tell, not enough info yet IMO.

  108. 3b says:

    Pumps your wife lets you listen in on conference calls with her company’s CEO?? One of two things you are full of shite, lying again as you have a history of lying, or your wife’s company must not be much., I suspect it’s you lying again, because your wife as a professional would not let you listen on a phone call with the CEO. Your lying knows no bounds!!

  109. Hold my beer says:

    My wife had a multi hour conference call years ago she did from the dining room of our old apartment. I had fallen asleep on the couch in the living room before the call started and after the call had been going on for half an hour I started snoring so loudly everyone on the call could hear. The call went from discussing business plans to trying to figure out who had dialed in and fallen asleep. I have been banned from being anywhere near her calls ever since.

  110. Phoenix says:

    Move out west to a train town, then get on the Covid-19 express into the city? NJ Transit can barely get them to run on time let alone sanitize them.

  111. PumpkinFace says:

    Of course the CEO of a real estate company would say that

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    May 16, 2020 at 9:21 am
    3b busted my chops, but my wife is working from home. I have listened to a conference call with her CEO in which he took the exact same position as this article. That’s where I got the idea that WFH is a short term trend reflective of the current environment with the virus.

    But continue to think I don’t have the experience to comment on this…

  112. ExEssex says:

    8:38 I don’t who you are kidding, but if “I” were “you” I’d pray to never return to your underserved community schoolhouse. Covid will run right through those classrooms like a warm knife through butter.

  113. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    This is the 3rd straight year I’ve had a major plumbing issue on the week leading into memorial day. Two years ago, my hot water heater burst couldn’t get a plumber for 10 days. Last year, the pipe in my front lawn broke and we had to excavate the entire front lawn excavated. Had to cancel trip to the shore. This year, my sink line is clogged. And it seems to be one I can’t fix on my own. Tried multiple reagents and got the snake 25 ft in. Still present. I’ll bet I can’t get a plumber in all week again.

  114. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Is your last name clueless? You simply don’t get it…

    “The WFH was coming anyhow for many industries but has accelerated in this environment. The suburbs will see an influx of people but also and perhaps more so the exurbs which I believe will. A big part of the justification for high prices in the suburbs is closeness to NYC, if someone only goes into the office once or twice a week there is no need to pay big bucks to be close to NYC. This is what terrifies your boy

  115. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Weren’t you yelling and screaming people are abandoning the suburbs for the city? I’m like…no, they will come when they start raising families.

    Now they start coming, and you now take the position that cities are dead.

    Wrong both times. You just don’t get it.

  116. Juice box says:

    blue use a bladder with a garden hose


  117. Chicago says:

    You have a 25 in snake? I think you followed the wrong career.

    Blue Ribbon Teacher says:
    May 16, 2020 at 1:53 pm
    This is the 3rd straight year I’ve had a major plumbing issue on the week leading into memorial day. Two years ago, my hot water heater burst couldn’t get a plumber for 10 days. Last year, the pipe in my front lawn broke and we had to excavate the entire front lawn excavated. Had to cancel trip to the shore. This year, my sink line is clogged. And it seems to be one I can’t fix on my own. Tried multiple reagents and got the snake 25 ft in. Still present. I’ll bet I can’t get a plumber in all week again.

  118. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I most definitely did follow the wrong career, multiple times.

  119. homeboken says:

    Is this guy trying to become a martyr? Bc this is how you paint a gigantic target in your back.


  120. homeboken says:

    By the way – I recognize the above article is from 3/25. Tryanny is tryanny, regardless of past or present.

  121. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Talked to my brother who has a place in Ocean City… social distancing is over. People are over it. He said it’s a mad house down there and no one gives a crap about social distancing.

  122. Juice Box says:

    There will be blood at the stores soon.

    Guy inline behind me wasn’t following the rules, mask down on cellphone chatting oblivious to the instructions of the little old lady behind the register to maintain distance and put the mask back on.

  123. Juice Box says:

    Pumps saw the pic of the boardwalk online seems like they were semi following the rules.

    Some necks are going to get stepped on that is guaranteed, the cops need to get their frustration out more than a few have died from Covid19.

  124. Juice Box says:

    News just showed the line for Belmar beach passes, looked like a few hundred lined up there is gonna be Blood folks.

  125. Juice Box says:

    No need to wonder why the herd isn’t going to to listen to scientists and doctors, because crap like this exists too feed the herd.


  126. 3b says:

    Pumps : my last post to you and I apologize because I have repeatedly broken my vow to ignore you. I am going to try again. But before I go one last time for your pea sized brain, yes I said cities were in favor over suburbs, and now that has switched and some people will move to the suburbs, even those who would not have done so prior to the pandemic. However, moron the pandemic has led to that change, now your cycle analysis bs. I also am saying now that with the major role WFH is now going to play across all industries, that the exurbs could benefit even more as people won’t have to pay the close to the city suburb prices. Do you have any critical thinking
    And reading abilities? Any? No you don’t. Now back to ignoring you.

  127. Jimmy says:

    The consensus is Phil Murphy is a clown, read the following article. I think most of NJ agrees with the writer.


  128. leftwing says:

    So I’ve turned into a total lightweight after dropping 30+ lbs since early Feb….

    A little banged up after just a couple DIPAs came home and cranked some music at volume 11, inadvertently leaving the TV on after the news..some Robin Williams infomercial came on selling his material…lol, pretty fcuked up, Robin Williams in the foreground doing his schtick on TV playing to the dead on stereo in the background. Strongly recommended, ha.

    Anyway, neighbor is CEO of a company that supplies (non-organic) materials to most major cannabis cos…always seems to have some organic from the grow houses….may have to wander over there…he just had another kid and the poor fcuk looks like he needs a break. Better for both of us than watching the Obamafcuk on TV lecturing grads on this CBS political advertisement…

  129. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    News just showed the line for Belmar beach passes, looked like a few hundred lined up there is gonna be Blood folks.

    That’s nothing. There were a few hundred lined up at the Ewing Home Depot 3 weeks ago to buy flowers.

  130. Juice Box says:

    We had about 50 new cases today out of 630,000 people in my county. Don’t know where exactly,we have many senior homes here.

    WTF seniors stop shopping,we know there is no need, with pickup or delivery..

    I can tell you now based upon what my brother told me this weekend there is no way no how going to any hospital. He has been on the front lines for 17 years in a hospital, it’s still a war-zone, which means triage…

    Don’t go folks…

  131. ExEssex says:

    While smoking weed definitely won’t make you coronavirus-proof, Canadian scientists at the University of Lethbridge have some promising results that might be counted as preliminary evidence that cannabis may block COVID-19 infection.

    The study’s aim was to find ways to hinder the COVID-19 from finding a host in the lungs, intestines, and oral cavity.

    The researchers have studied over 400 cannabis strains, and now, they are concentrating on about a dozen they say have the most potential to help prevent the virus.

    CBD performed the best

    In order to conduct to study, the researchers developed over 400 new cannabis Sativa lines and extracts. The end-strains were high in anti-inflammatory cannabinoid cannabidiol (CBD) since the compound has been proposed to have anti-inflammatory and anti-cancer properties.

    By using artificial human 3-D tissue models, they simulated and mapped out how each strain may impact COVID-19 infections in the human oral, airway, and intestinal tissues. Particularly, they monitored each strain’s ability to modulate ACE2 levels, an enzyme previously linked to COVID-19 infection.

    The lead researcher, biological scientist Dr. Igor Kovalchuk stated some strains showed promising results in ensuring less fertile ground for the virus to take root.

    Some reduced the virus receptors by 73%

    According to Kovalchuk, “A number of them have reduced the number of these (virus) receptors by 73 percent, the chance of it getting in is much lower. If they can reduce the number of receptors, there’s much less chance of getting infected.”

  132. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Comedy hour….

    “To keep the com­pa­ny’s cul­ture in­tact while its peo­ple are phys­i-cally apart, Open­Text is con­duct-ing on­line happy hours, vir­tual chess tour­na­ments and game nights while en­cour­ag­ing em­ploy-ees to use video­con­fer­enc­ing back­grounds that show­case their per­son­al­i­ties. “I stepped back and said ‘OK, it’s work­ing for us,’” Mr. Bar­renechea said. The en­ter­prise in­for­ma­tion-man­age­ment soft­ware com­pany is in the process of de­ter­min­ing which of­fice leases to let ex­pire and which to rene­go­ti-ate with land­lords, he said.”


  133. Phoenix says:

    Or blood at the fast food joint. This is what happens when Karen does not get it her way.
    The comments are priceless. PublicFreakot is a fun site to visit for laughs.


  134. Hold my beer says:


    That was awesome. “You’re Spreading the germs” lol. Meanwhile from
    Her cheeks and forearms she looks like someone in a high risk category as she gets takeout from a fast food place while not wearing a mask.

    I think it’s only a matter of time before there are shootings over social distancing or not wearing masks. And the shooter will claim self defense in a stand your ground state cause they feared for their life.

  135. Phoenix says:

    The stuff these poor kids have to put up with from the Karen’s of America. When I need a laugh I go to that Reddit thread. Why watch made up crap on TV when real America puts on a much better show.

    And yes, I agree there will be some attacks over this. And as much as it is a tabloid, I also like to read the Daily Mail. It’s amazing how much is filtered out by American media. Surprisingly plenty of NJ news shows up there before the local papers. Honestly I don’t know how they do it.

  136. Phoenix says:

    Also, HMB, don’t skip the comments in that video.

  137. BoomerRemover says:

    You’ve been vowing to ignore Pumps since 2017 FFS. I’m not sure who is more pathetic at this point. At least stop referencing it each time you choose to address comments directly at him.

  138. 3b says:

    Boomer You are absolutely right. And I am the more pathetic one for responding to him. Thanks for the bitch slap.

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