C19 Open Discussion Week 28b

From the NJ Herald:

NJ contracted $37M for contact tracing. Was there a better way to use taxpayer dollars?

It’s become a dangerous cycle.

Public health funding is slashed. An emergency strikes. Governments pour money into the problem and then cut funding once again after the crisis subsides.

Local health officials in New Jersey fear that this will happen again.

The Garden State agreed to pay close to $37 million in contracts to hire and train contact tracers for six months. This provisional workforce notifies those who spent time around an infected individual and helps them with what to do next, a crucial step to keep COVID-19 from spreading further.

The state plans to pay the Rutgers School of Public Health $13.3 million for developing a six-part course and hiring and training 1,000 students across the state from June 1 through Sept. 15, a memorandum of agreement shows. This nearly doubled the state’s workforce.

After that, Public Consulting Group is to take over administering the program and paying tracers for at least the next three months at a price tag of $23.5 million. About $20.7 million of that will cover wages for 1,200 tracers paid $35 an hour, according to the purchase order.

Federal funds are supposed to fill in the gaps, as the Murphy administration reduced certain state line items in his budget proposal, such as cutting “public health infectious disease control” from $2.5 million to $1.9 million.

But of the more than $650 million in federal stimulus money identified by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that the Garden State is allowed to pass down to local health departments over multiple years, the state has so far only allocated at most $74.3 million, or about 11%. Those funds have restrictions, and only a fraction, $2.3 million, has been passed out.

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231 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 28b

  1. grim says:

    NJ overpaid significantly. I was involved in this process. $35 an hour wage for a contact tracer is absurd, these are people reading from scripts and doing data entry. Lowest-cost bids were not selected, in fact, it seems like the highest cost bid was.

  2. homeboken says:

    35/hour to dial a phone and get hung up on 97+% of the time.

  3. joyce says:

    Am I not allowed to return serve like AOC?

    Fabius Maximus says:
    September 23, 2020 at 7:07 am
    Joyce, how about;

    “I’m still trying to work out if your Pedanticism is irritating or just mildly annoying. ”

    Did I spell that sentence correctly?

  4. homeboken says:

    Fab – I am still trying to work out if you are running an elaborate troll scheme on this board or if you are just mildly annoying.

  5. Grim says:

    They aren’t even dialing the phone, they are sitting behind an auto-dialer.

  6. grim says:

    Based on current headcount, they are likely more than one days during the week where they don’t do anything at all, there simply isn’t a call to make.

  7. Fast Eddie says:

    I can’t access the remote work link Grim posted above as once again, I don’t a subscription to any of these news outlets. I still think not having an office environment for collaboration is a negative but will concede that rolling out of bed, pouring a cup of coffee and logging on at 6:30 AM (often against my will, can’t resist.. lol) is an advantage to the company. My average day is now approximately 10 hours because commuting is not a factor. An advantage for the firm because real estate is no longer needed, twice a week lunches on the company dime are no longer there as well as not have having to provide internet service and any other office accommodations, etc. The pros outweigh the cons, for sure. The downside: no camaraderie, no separation of work/home life, not to mention all ancillary businesses that are dying who previously provided the workforce with various services.

  8. Libturd says:

    Lots of pros and cons.

    We got a Peloton because the lack of walking during the commute (and to shop) is beginning to take a toll on us.

  9. No One says:

    I cannot believe Capt. Cheapo would pay for a Peloton to have someone yelling at you to pedal harder. The Capt. Cheapo I once knew would have rigged up an old used bike to a bike generator which would in turn power a used Nissan Leaf bought dirt cheap. Then he would yell at NJGator to “pedal harder” himself. I blame it on him hanging around the Bernie boards the past 4 years, going soft and sentimental.

  10. A Home Buyer says:

    Going to have to agree with No-One. Not only is the bike like 2K, but you need to pay another 40 a month for the integrated service associated with the bike to actually make use of it.

    He could have paid 300 for a off brand bike and then $20 monthly for reduced version online Cycling classes.

    This is clearly not the same man we have come to know.

  11. Hold my beer says:

    I too am stunned captain cheapo got a peloton. What next for him? A Tahoe? A $5,000 grill?

  12. Fat F.uck Fast Eddie says:

    Stationary bike off Craigslist 8 years ago: $50
    Weight bench with dumbbells and 200 lb of weights off Craigslist: $75
    Resistance bands (purchased new) – $85
    TREK bike (purchased new – 2007) – 3rd set of tires – $400

    All of the above used regularly. Maybe fat f.uck Eddie isn’t so fat after all. ;-)

  13. BRT says:

    My neighbor was moving out and her husband had separated from her. She put his Livestrong Tour de France bike, never used out on the curb for the taking. We grabbed that thing right away. Decent piece of a equipment. It’s tied into google maps. My friend has a VR thing where you can basically do tours around the world. I was thinking of doing that. I wouldn’t be into the class thing though.

  14. SomeOne says:


    I too am stunned captain cheapo got a peloton. What next for him? A Tahoe? A $5,000 grill?

    Seems like Trump economy may be raining riches for Lib. Not sure about Eddie (10:20)!

  15. ExEssex says:

    I’m digging the WFH vibe. It is a huge plus for family life. Breakfast with the wife….chit chat with the little one before classes….it’s all good. Hoping it stays around this year.
    By the look of the numbers it will.

  16. Juice Box says:

    It’s all about motivation to do so these days to get out of the house, in reality or virtually. VirZOOM and VZFIT are neat I know one of the people behind it, this lockdown really kicked that business into high gear.

  17. BRT says:

    My take is, the best high school students are doing just fine. The average and below average ones are struggling heavily. Elementary is just a trainwreck if its not in person.

  18. ExEssex says:

    BRT re: middle to HS … the same as it ever was:


  19. JCer says:

    The problem with WFH is right in Grim’s linked article. Managing directors are asking why do we need to pay NY or London wages? It is accelerating the move away from high cost markets. My wife at GS is experiencing first hand they are cutting her teams in NYC and London, the US presence will be SLC and will be as small as possible, the big push is to put everything in Bangalore. Management is oblivious to the fact that your most intelligent and qualified people tend to flock to major markets. Seemingly your more senior folks in Bangalore are lacking in judgement, the best people there want to be in the US because of the massive salary and quality of life difference.

    The most qualified generally cluster in certain geographic areas. Those who live in flyover country want the coastal salary to fund a great quality of life. I could live in the middle of nowhere if I could keep my salary otherwise no thanks, even in secondary markets there are the expensive areas folks prefer to live in. Management sees this as an opportunity for wage arbitrage…..

  20. No One says:

    With Murphy’s millionaire’s tax hike and a major office lease renewing next year, my company’s COO and CFO are investigating out of state new office locations more aggressively. Several top people already have homes and/or residency in FL or WY, both happen to have 0% state income tax.

  21. JCer says:

    BRT elementary school is a train wreck, the majority of the kids are running around in the background. It is hard to get little kids to focus, the teachers are working really hard, the curriculum and methods are good but little kids are bad at focusing on a screen. The only thing that they make progress with are video games. The teachers desperately want to get back to the classroom, it is more work to do remote and the result isn’t as good. The smartest kids and those with very engaged parents will be fine, it is the disadvantaged who will have the lasting effects.

    I’m seeing it first hand, the distracting kids who are not listening and bouncing off the walls, it is up to the parents to bring them in line the teacher will just mute them and ignore it maybe taking note and sending an email to the parents. Unless the parents are engaged and take action all is lost.

  22. BRT says:

    Here’s the problem…my 1st grader is in “gym” while my 3rd grader with ADHD is trying to focus on math. She’s bouncing around the house pounding the floor and it’s driving my son nuts. Then, when she’s learning math, he’s running around doing jumping jacks. Moreover, we as parents have to sit by and click and type crap for them because they don’t know how to type at all or do certain things on the computer. Sometimes, my kids decide to fight with each other in the middle of class while my wife is in a meeting and the teachers are helpless to stop them or don’t even know it’s going on because they are muted. Combine that with the fact that my crappy district refuses to give any kids grades prior to 6th grade and there is just no accountability.

  23. JCer says:

    Murphy doesn’t get it, the rich can and do leave. If the taxes weren’t so punishing people would stay, spend money, and pay taxes. My mother is retired to FL as are many of her friends, these are all well heeled people with high income and net worth. Most have kids and grandkids in NY, NJ, CT, etc, and they all do the residency count because the taxing authorities will audit them, they’d rather not do it but because of primarily investment income it’s not small money for these people it could be anywhere from 20-50k or more in state incomes taxes. When they own a business, they can move that as well. Now with remote work gaining steam, the boss can close the office and move to FL, the workers can be remote or move to a new office in FL and key to this is any new jobs will not be in NJ.

    Murphy is just dumb, with the collapse of Deblasio’s NY, now is the time to get the super rich moving to NJ. Most progressive pols don’t realize 10% of zero is zero. The Thomas Sowell video where he responds to AOC nails it with regards to tax rates. the big mistake politicians make is in thinking things are static, taxes impact behavior.

  24. JCer says:

    BRT remote gym is very funny, my kid just watches the teacher, he is giving instruction and she doesn’t engage. Half the time she is in remote class I’m pretty sure she is just drawing/doodling/coloring while not paying a minute’s attention to the screen or the teacher……

    I see other kids playing with legos, disappearing from view, god knows what else they are doing on their computers unattended, if they know how to use them.

  25. Bystander says:


    “Management is oblivious to the fact that your most intelligent and qualified people tend to flock to major markets.”

    I thought so to but came to the conclusion that the book is being rewritten as we speak. Efficiency and productivity are fungible against cost now. If Indian team is 3 times less productive but 4 times cheaper than US resource, it will all go to India. The fear of moving core US SME and support functions is basically nil now. I can tell you that my management is unearthing every cent spent against every metric possible. Right now, I am responsible for picking apart entire support ticket catalog from Service now then putting a cost/ticket based resource time (impossible to know unless we have punch-card system). Execs actually asked us to review each ticket detail (there are 1000s) to see if knowledge training was issue with first line general support team. It is completely bonkers but needed to further whittle high costs areas down. It also a pre-defined conclusion, in other words “show us it will be cheaper” rather than factual about why it will not work. We are in the final death choke in terms NYC being a solid sustainable place for middle class, and perhaps even upper middle. Those that stay will be rich connected class who benefit from Fed bailout treachery and those that held real estate assets before 2000 thus getting Fed’s benefit as well. Everyone else will be working poor and two high earnrning fools who think bagels/pizza and blue ribbon real estate propaganda are worth it while slaving to pay ever burdensome taxes.

  26. leftwing says:

    “Here is the popcorn schedule. I fully expect this nomination to be rammed through. That said, if the dice fall and we are looking at a six Far Left nominees for a 15 court SCOTUS, I don’t want to hear any complaints.”

    No complaints. You will get pure elation from me. The Left being stupid enough to go there would be the biggest gift to the Repubs. EVER.

    “So when ACA was heading to law in 2010 we had the GOP crying for a Stop and an Do- Over. I cant remember the catchy phrase they used for it.”

    Interesting revisionism. They had the ability to challenge it on Constitutional grounds since the bill didn’t originate in the House and passed.

    “From 2010 to 2020 we have always heard these platitudes that there is a great GOP health plan proposal coming. Can I ask, WhereTF is is?”

    Ask the loud mouthed sister of the spoiled drunken fly-boy. Hope she keeps speaking BTW. Another liberal misread, the more people like her who come out in opposition to the current agenda the more swing voters move our way.

    You think it was coincidence that Romney – the classic definition of a RINO and hater of Trump – came out not only in favor but body slammed the Left hard specifically in his reasoning?

  27. Bystander says:

    ..and what I really mean, it that a big change I am seeing on exec level is that metric reporting and MI are not merely guidelines for decision-making..they have become fact. I have supported many metric projects in my career but mostly it was used for executive transparency, regulation and knowledge guide. Today? It better fit in one of these bucket and I don’t care what the story is. We are doing deep dives into our vendor roles (I manage 60) and they are choosing hire date from HR system as decision on SME level. If less than 3 years then can’t be that valuable and need end date for role. No discussion..bonkers.

  28. leftwing says:

    “Fab – I am still trying to work out if you are running an elaborate troll scheme on this board or if you are just mildly annoying.”

    He’s gotten better recently. Was a period of nothing but liberal grenade trolling. Some good links and thoughts in last thread.

  29. Bystander says:

    You think it was coincidence that Romney – the classic definition of a RINO and hater of Trump – came out not only in favor but body slammed the Left hard specifically in his reasoning?

    hah, please left. Mormons, anti-abortion, we all know what this is about. Roe settled law, my @ass.

  30. leftwing says:

    LOL, let me throw my amazement into the hat on Lib and Peloton. Nearly spit my coffee when I read it. Surely he jests.

    No One, that was a really funny response.

  31. leftwing says:

    “hah, please left. Mormons, anti-abortion, we all know what this is about. Roe settled law, my @ass.”

    Romney is the definition of a safe politician…his net positive approval rating is 14 percentage points, after being negative when he was the sole Repub senator voting for impeachment.

    You’re kind of proving my point…he is so ingrained in that community you would think he could have taken even a soft pass….”I’ll consider any option at the time it’s presented” sort of thing. Instead not only did he support the process but he took that gratuitous shot at the Left….


  32. Bystander says:


    C’mon, this is the political equivalent of a cherry-pick layup for Romney. He has a deep red base of anti-abortionists and appointment has nothing to do with Trump. There are no principles at stake for him. I like Romney overall but I did not think for one sec that he would block it. Stating something like “I will see” gains him zero.

  33. BRT says:

    BRT remote gym is very funny, my kid just watches the teacher, he is giving instruction and she doesn’t engage. Half the time she is in remote class I’m pretty sure she is just drawing/doodling/coloring while not paying a minute’s attention to the screen or the teacher……

    I see other kids playing with legos, disappearing from view, god knows what else they are doing on their computers unattended, if they know how to use them.

    Here’s the best part. We actually got the administrators to finally agree after 4 years of complaining that Chromebooks are completely useless. Between dropping connection, software limitations, and the weak processing, they’ve finally admitted as such now that the parents are complaining to them nonstop about the garbage computer.

    They just, at the elementary level said, kids can’t have a background. We put it on so they can’t see all the other garbage going on at our house. They claim, when you move back, you go out of view and the kids can get off task. Well whooptidoo…the one thing my daughter actually liked….her stupid palm tree background, is now against the rules. Admin is clueless.

  34. Juice Box says:

    My youngest has 7 breaks between video classes from 8:45 to 1 PM. It’s a joke he is off to watch cartoons, play with the dog or go outside and kick into the soccer net I have setup for them. That reminds me practice is tonight at 5 PM. Don’t have to rush home from the office anymore either! Joy…

  35. JCer says:

    Bystander, well aware. Meanwhile when when said 50 cent an hour employee makes a regulatory mistake senior management goes crazy and asks how did this happen? I’ll tell you what it has come to, those of us who remain are working 18 hours a day to paper over the mistakes our incompetent replacement workers are making. The thing is for ops purposes automation and offshoring are totally expected at this point. The problem is when there is some complexity in the role, if it is tech the stuff being produced by the offshore teams is garbage by and large. In the ops space if a function requires thought why does GS think the work formerly done by ivy league grad new hires can now be handled by a dolt who graduated from punjabi u. Anything that requires interpretation or using judgement should not be sent offshore, I’d trust AI before I trust an offshore ops team.

    Bystander, I’m serious I suspect your firm is on the market. I’ve never experienced such an incompetent place before, any person you have who has a clue should be retained because clueless in the only to describe the current state of things.

  36. JCer says:

    Juice same here, big problem is locating the kid to get her back on the call when the break is over. I’m pretty sure I received an email indicating the break schedule because I was questioning my kid as to why she was watching television during class and I wasn’t believing she was on break.

    I’m thoroughly convinced we are wandering in the wilderness with remote learning. No one really knows what works or doesn’t and rules and arbitrary practices are the norm. Some are making an effort to try to make it work others are mailing it in.

  37. Phoenix says:

    “If Indian team is 3 times less productive but 4 times cheaper than US resource, it will all go to India.”

    Funny how the “Pro American” president is so concerned and uses an executive order to basically steal TikTok from the Chinese, but does absolutely nothing about this.

  38. Phoenix says:

    Just by curiosity, reading about the Amish. Funny how even they are not against the use of birth control..


  39. leftwing says:

    “C’mon, this is the political equivalent of a cherry-pick layup for Romney. He has a deep red base of anti-abortionists and appointment has nothing to do with Trump. There are no principles at stake for him. I like Romney overall but I did not think for one sec that he would block it.”

    Eh, maybe. I still think that given how safe he would be presumed it is notable he went out of his way to take a swipe at the Dems.

    Do disagree on one point, I don’t like him, he’s an ass.

  40. Juice Box says:

    No wonder the strippers at the Hustler Club loved when Hunter Biden came by he wasloaded with Chinese and now Russian money, the strippers gave him special treatment too he got a new clean toy up his arse…Lol What a crack head.


  41. leftwing says:

    Best NYT article this year (up to the recitation of his argument). And it came from a Lib on the editorial page!

    “An Open Letter to Mitt Romney
    By Bret Stephens
    Opinion Columnist

    Sept. 21, 2020

    Dear Senator Romney,

    It isn’t hard to guess what you’re hearing from most of your fellow Republicans as they try to persuade you to cast a vote for President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee before the election. In a nutshell, it’s this: “The Democrats didn’t play by the rules in the past, and you’d be a fool to think they will play by them in the future. So why should we not fill a seat that’s constitutionally ours to have?”

    It’s bad advice. Bad for the country. Bad for the party. Bad for you.

    Lest you think I don’t get the argument, let me rehearse it. There used to be a bipartisan tradition of confirming well-qualified nominees for the court. Democrats trashed it with their trashing of Robert Bork. There used to be a bipartisan tradition of approving well-qualified nominees for lower courts. Democrats trashed it by filibustering George W. Bush’s appellate court nominees. There used to be a bipartisan tradition of respecting the filibuster. Democrats trashed it by blowing up the filibuster in 2013. There used to be a tradition of the Judiciary Committee treating nominees with a sense of fairness. Democrats trashed it when they used uncorroborated allegations to try to block and besmirch Brett Kavanaugh.

    In short, whatever sin is involved in moving forward on Trump’s next nominee this close to a presidential election, it’s a venial one compared with what the other side has done, and may still do.

    Nor, I imagine, is that everything your caucus colleagues are telling you. The left, they say, is engaged in a full-scale attack on traditional American values, from freedom of speech to the presumption of innocence to the right to bear arms to the need to enforce our immigration laws to the broader concept of law and order. These things are too important to hazard on a bare 5-4 conservative majority on the Supreme Court, especially now that John Roberts has succumbed to the lure of being the swing vote. A 6-3 majority might be the only sure defense against this cultural revolution for a generation to come.

    So I get the analysis. And I agree that Democrats have a lot to answer for, the Kavanaugh circus in particular…”


  42. Phoenix says:

    One word. RomneyCare.

    Eff him.

  43. Phoenix says:

    Ruh Roh.

    Tesla drivers are locked out of their cars after Elon Musk’s firm is hit with complete network outage and staff are blocked from processing orders – amid fears of possible HACK

  44. Juice Box says:

    re: Tesla – IoT world we live in is susceptible to simple attacks, the very reason why the internet was successfully is because of openness, everyone could share everything all the time.

    A Zero Trust Architecture is needed for companies like Tesla that want to put cutting edge tech out there quickly. Case in point they were hacked a few years back, the attackers were using Tesla’s infrastructure resources to mine cryptocurrency.

  45. Nomad says:

    JCer says:
    September 23, 2020 at 11:32 am

    Don’t you think when people move from the coasts to flyover or other, eventually they are more likely to loose their jobs since minimal face time, their job not critical and easily replaced?

    What happens when these people do loose their job? Had they stayed on the coast, would they be less likely to get fired and if fired, more likely to find quality work? Once you leave a major metro, pitching your credentials and capabilities as a remote employee becomes hard, no and salary in such a scenario would get cut significantly. Initially it might be appealing, but over time, not so much.

  46. Nomad says:

    lose, not loose

  47. libturd says:

    The resale value of a Peloton is about $100 less than what you pay for it. Go try and buy a used one. So yes, it seems like a frivolous purchase. But I ain’t stepping into no sweaty gym, and I’ve probably saved close to that amount in missed ice hockey games and practices. Don’t worry, I haven’t changed that much.

    You all said the same thing when we bought our fancy Bugaboo Stroller. By the time we resold it, it ended up being less than the entry level Graco.

    Glad you all have my back though.

  48. Nomad says:


    Interactive Brokers is raising clients’ minimum margin requirements by more than a third to protect against market swings anticipated in the run-up to the US election and avoid a rerun of losses the online broker suffered earlier this year.

    The US company, founded by electronic trading pioneer and billionaire Thomas Peterffy, will gradually increase the amount of money clients have to deposit as margin for their trades starting from September 28 — amounting to a 35 per cent increase by October 23. The move is designed to shield both the broker and its clients from a potential hit if the election triggers abrupt market declines.

    Interactive told its clients that as volatility is expected to pick up both before and around the time of the US election, it was “appropriate to start controlling leverage in a measured fashion in advance”. The gradual rise in margin will be implemented after the New York market close each day, the company told clients late on Tuesday.

  49. Libturd says:

    And this, I’m a man who recently sold two used potty seats on Ebay. It’s still Captain Cheapo, don’t worry. :P

    Plus it was really a Gator purchase that I hijacked.

  50. Libturd says:

    And on Romney,

    I’m pretty certain the pain he felt from all of the right wing loonies when he rightfully supported the impeachment is why he has swung back to the Republican camp. I wouldn’t read much more into it.

    And I do have to say, the Peloton is truly an amazing piece of technology and a fantastically run company. Besides the quality of the bike and customer service, without asking, they refunded me $375 since they came up with a new model after we purchased ours. I doubt many will spring for the new one since it’s really not worth the price difference, but we’ll see.

  51. Juice Box says:

    lib – we all know a cheap bike is just as good,
    there is plenty of free cycle content online and the capital could have been deployed in an asset that does not depreciate over time. So admit it already you miss looking at hot and sweaty men on bikes, it ok this is a no judgement zone and anything you say here is confidential.

  52. relo says:

    First day back in the office. Boy, did I miss that commute. Our fearless leader didn’t even show. Great for morale. Said “I don’t care what anybody says, no one works better from home”. Meanwhile I have had the capability for the last twenty years. Good grief.

  53. ExEssex says:

    Capt. Will appreciate this.
    I trash picked a very cool Schwinn Airdyne
    The fam laughed at me when i brought it home,
    but my child rides it every day sometimes. Old School Schwinn and
    you can move your arms too….we call it the Backyard Peloton.

  54. Juice Box says:

    My first day back is tomorrow to pack up my stuff and leave. I always kept it light just a few pictures to let everyone know I am human and not another agent in the Matrix. They will be demolishing the open concept offices which is only two years old for a new social distanced space mixed with a hotel setup slated to open next year. As I am leaving for good I may open a few cans of tuna and deploy them inconspicuously.

  55. Libturd says:

    The old school bikes are the most comfortable to ride. Nothing like an old Schwinn. I have a Trek I bought with my own money in 1985 for outside. Speaking of hot and sweaty men on bikes. I decided to go for a ride in a class taught by the large boobed redhead. Figured it would be motivational. Three minutes in I had to stop and start a new ride when she was telling me to scream and let the mojo out. She wouldn’t shut up with the “are you feeling it crap!” Went back to the black man who know how to make me sweat. I named him Trayvon because I’m not sure of his real name and he wears a hoodie.

  56. homeboken says:

    So I’ve learned what the “lid” means in campaigning. Basically, a campaign puts a lid on a day which indicates to the press that the candidate will not be available at all for the remainder of the day.

    In September, the Biden team has put the lid on Joe before noon, Eight times. 36% of the days this month. 8 weeks from election day. The guy has a major stamina issue, at best. Worst case, the theory about Joe and dementia gains evidence every day.

  57. homeboken says:

    I know the strategy is, just let Trump blow himself up. That’s certainly a strategy. IMHO it is not a very good one.

    The contrast makes it much more notable. Trump had 6 massive rallies in the last 7 days. Biden doesn’t even have a day job to deal with.

  58. 30 year realtor says:


    You go on and on regularly about Biden. He is the candidate. The debates are happening. Biden is an experienced debater and will likely make a reasonable showing. Trump has beaten up on Biden with the Sleepy Joe stupidity for so long that all Biden has to do is appear awake and coherent to exceed expectations. Meanwhile Biden is polling strongly in all the swing states and is up big nationally. Wow, he would be a powerhouse if he only took your advice and did a better job with his campaign.

  59. Juice Box says:

    homeboken – Everyone knows the fix is in. They just have to keep a lid on his gaffes between now and election day by limiting his time in front of anyone really. BTWM who needs election interference from the Chinese and the Russians, we have it here right at home.

    A little experiment for you google “joe biden gaffe”

    It comes back with nothing for me in logged in mode and anonymous, multiple IP addresses etc.

    You can find plenty of mentions of gaffe in MSM stories so it must be indexed. Can you pay Google for that service, to get out of the index? I doubt it, must be orders from above. Pick another search engine, Bing for example and search “joe biden gaffe”

    Fix is in, can sleeping Joe win in the debates? Sure he had the chops. Question is will he be able to muster them quickly and succinctly? Hard to say…

    I gotta wonder if the DOJ will start holding the liars to Congress accountable. They claim they are not interfering, and we may never really know what is inside the black box and what boogie man might appear if anyone dared to start issuing subpoenas for code. They did it to Bill Gates back in the 1990s during the Netscape wars, but not these days it seems.

  60. Fabius Maximus says:


    The difference between you and AOC is like watching an A list comedian at the top of their game vs the D list rolling out the same old tired Tropes you have heard over and over.

    Yes home, I’ve in here mildly annoying since 2007. I put the annoyance down to the fact that I’m from the other side of the aisle from a lot of the regular posters. Yes I post things that will annoy people. Russia seems to be a good trigger. I put that down to the fact that some people cant seem to process that Donnie is that corrupt and most likely is being blackma1led by Russia. I said way back that both sides were hacked, Russia decided on Team Trump. All the PACs are awash with Russian Money.

  61. Fabius Maximus says:

    Seth Abramson @SethAbramson
    If you don’t understand that Ron Johnson’s Ukraine report was dropped in September rather than as an “October surprise” because it’s an embarrassing, Kremlin disinformation–loaded dud Trump’s campaign and the GOP want people to forget about instantly you don’t understand politics

  62. Juice Box says:

    Fab stop pretending the left did not take money from Russia and China or election “help” from a dossier from a Brit. It will help you in your journey to transition into whatever you feel deep down inside, even if that incudes a neon pink pumps and two pairs of Spanx to flatten your tummy. I know someone at Spanx in Product Design & Development in Atlanta. I can get you a meeting if you want to be a model for Manish shapewear.

  63. Fabius Maximus says:


    I’m with you on the quality front. I made it to the top of the Concept2 waitlist and got my rowing machine a few weeks back. I can put it on Craigslist for more than I paid for it as there is a three month backlog. They normally sell used go for about 80% of list. I justified the cost against the gym membership I never got for the last 10 years.

    I’m releasing the purse strings a little at the moment. Life and retirement is too short and Quality of Life now, is important given what is going on the other side of my front door.

  64. Fabius Maximus says:


    You are sort of making my point. The Steele Dossier triggers people, all I get is constant deflection. People cant seem to accept the fact that a lot of the contents have been proven true. The only contention seems to be who had Cohens burner phone in Italy.

    Can your friend do a Mankini in a 36 Short? Asking for a friend.

  65. Juice Box says:

    Fab – Igor Danchenko’s tall tales as transcribed by Steele were give to a court specifically the FISC court as fact. Better hope Joyce does not write a dossier about you and give it to a court as the truth.

    We are better than that and you know it. The only part of those 35 pages I think is true is the hookers and golden showers part, and Comey backs me up on that too.

  66. Juice Box says:

    Yikes what about the stocks of Facebook, Google, and Apple, as well as Twitter… ouch…
    they better make sure Trump does not win DAMMIT!

    DOJ releases new Section 230 Legislation guidance.


  67. Fabius Maximus says:

    Juice the problem is that a lot of those tall tales are being backed up by dates times and independant investiagtions.

    Here is one from way back in 2018.

    Don’t have time to dig for later pieces.

  68. joyce says:

    I’m not a fan of AOC but comparing her to the D list is a bit harsh, even from you. It’s okay I get it.. if you like the person, it’s fine for them to be the internet grammar police, otherwise it’s not.

    Ps. Tell Seth Abramson to use a comma once in a while.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    September 23, 2020 at 7:04 pm

    The difference between you and AOC is like watching an A list comedian at the top of their game vs the D list rolling out the same old tired Tropes you have heard over and over.

  69. Juice Box says:

    Fab – They may very well take Assange now and send him to a dark site. A few times with a rag and few liters of water up a nose will make anyone spill the beans on who hacked who. We deserve to know the truth, would you not agree? Ask yourself why Obama went after him, or allowed it wink wink in the first place.

  70. BRT says:

    My neighbor, who I trade plants with regularly sniped a deer yesterday. He gave me 15 pounds of meat. I might start crossbow hunting. Right now…it seems like it’s easy pickings given that there was no hunting season this past winter/spring.

  71. homeboken says:

    30 year _ Joe doesn’t ever get tough questions, when he does, he gets very agitated very fast. If you think Trump isn’t going to poke his eye, tour nuts.

    This is from today, question about the senate report that his son is implicated in some really damming accusations. Again, accusations. Could be false. But watch this guy snap. This is the great orator you mention?


  72. homeboken says:

    30 yr _ I van sense your nervousness in your post. Keep going, soon you won’t be blinded by your hatred of Trump. You’ll see that Biden is a total disaster.

  73. homeboken says:

    Correction, the Biden link above was from last year, not today.

    Joe had the lid out on at 845 this morning. So no need to answer questions.

    Meanwhile, where is Willie Browns chew toy? Wasn’t she supposed to give the DNC a shot in the arm?

  74. chicagofinance says:

    I used to believe you lived in NNJ, but we have triangulated your location….

    Fabius Maximus says:
    September 23, 2020 at 7:04 pm

    The difference between you and AOC is like watching an A list comedian at the top of their game vs the D list rolling out the same old tired Tropes you have heard over and over.

    Yes home, I’ve in here mildly annoying since 2007. I put the annoyance down to the fact that I’m from the other side of the aisle from a lot of the regular posters. Yes I post things that will annoy people. Russia seems to be a good trigger. I put that down to the fact that some people cant seem to process that Donnie is that corrupt and most likely is being blackma1led by Russia. I said way back that both sides were hacked, Russia decided on Team Trump. All the PACs are awash with Russian Money.

  75. homeboken says:

    A Louisville police officer was just shot at a Biden rally in Louisville.

  76. chicagofinance says:

    Bret Stephens is no liberal

    leftwing says:
    September 23, 2020 at 2:41 pm
    Best NYT article this year (up to the recitation of his argument). And it came from a Lib on the editorial page!

    “An Open Letter to Mitt Romney
    By Bret Stephens
    Opinion Columnist

  77. ExEssex says:

    9:03 oh no! Did they at least knock first?

  78. Jcer says:

    Biden is so bad our cartoon president seemed to give trump a break this week. When Colbert is ripping on you and you’re the Democratic candidate for president, you are a weak candidate.

    The Russia collusion story is nonsense, every kind of state agency trickery was used on trump and the best they can come up with was the Ukraine business where the acts of Obama and Biden were far worse. I totally believe at least some of the sordid tales about Trump with women, he’s a total creep, but all of this business about foreign influence seems unfounded.

  79. ExEssex says:

    Chillin in the ragtop in a parking lot in tony Westlake when a raised pickup with Trump flags comes through. The whole thing looks like fragile masculinity. Doubt the driver has ever voted its more like “look at me, i mma rebel…”

  80. 3b says:

    Hunter Biden gets 3.5 million from the Mayor of Moscow, and that we be dismissed as nothing as well?

  81. Juice Box says:

    Essex – What is truth anymore? WE LIVE IN UNREALITY!


  82. Phoenix says:

    BRT says:
    September 22, 2020 at 3:04 pm
    It should, but we don’t even need it. The movement is making a joke of itself to the nth degree.

    A joke? Tell that to the officers that just got shot. To them it’s not fun and games, it’s retribution. Couple of pieces of lead to the skull and you will find it’s no joke, it’s business.
    America has a truly defective justice system that everyone is losing faith in.
    It’s going to be street justice now. Remember, you had your chance to stop it at the source.

  83. JCer says:

    hunter biden is scum, that is undisputed, nothing good comes from the guy. The situation where his father might have been covering for him to keep him paid and out of jail is a real possibility. The whole situation fails the smell test….

  84. Grim says:

    Peloton has a pretty good chance of failing.

    They are confusing success and a pandemic.

  85. Phoenix says:

    Essex – What is truth anymore? WE LIVE IN UNREALITY!

    It’s why they should have been wearing body cameras- but they don’t want them, they prefer the ability to lie.

    Did they announce? Where is the proof either way? The neighbor who may have hated them or racist themselves, or cop lover? Or is he just truthful? Some will stick up for police no matter what.

    Officer lied to judge about post office visit in order to get search warrant. Postmaster said he lied- so they should have never been there in the first place.

    Put on your cameras so we can see the truth, like how you lit up a 13 year old autistic boy in the dark that was running scared from you. That vid looked like a f ing war zone. Can’t wait to see the bill the taxpayers get for that muppet’s mistake. Kid lived so expect to pay until he is 90.
    Thanks Hero, just send me the bill, it’s all good!

  86. Juice Box says:

    3b – There is nothing to see here. Chinese-registered asset managers are just fine. Investors are investors FINCEN had nothing to say back then or now. All is well so what if some unregistered investment advisors was getting a toy up his ass in NY on a regular basis.

  87. Phoenix says:

    Hunter Biden is a capitalist and a sellout. But hey, it’s America. Wanna buy a ShamWow or some Enron stock?

  88. Phoenix says:

    ” toy up his ass ”

    Seen too much of that in my career. It’s actually more common than you would think.

  89. 3b says:

    Juice: It’s just unbelievable to me, that any honest person can’t say this whole Hunter Biden thing stinks. Russian collusion screams from the Democrats regarding Trump,and here we have money being paid to the son of the sitting VP who is now running for President. Why? And the Mayor is the wife of a deceased Russian oligarch with close ties to Putin! And somehow the Democrats will dismiss this as nothing? Bad as Trump is the Democratic side no better bought and paid for corrupt top to bottom!

  90. Juice Box says:

    3B – honest does get you a ribbon. I don’t care about either crooks, personally I just want everyone to know they are both crooks, as even Hope and Change has taken money too. It sucks to get sold out, especially well if it was not given to you. Last honorable president to me is still Jimmy Carter.]

    Such is life folks..

  91. chicagofinance says:

    At first I was like WTF? Then I vaguely remember what you do……

    Phoenix says:
    September 23, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    ” toy up his ass ”

    Seen too much of that in my career. It’s actually more common than you would think.

  92. Juice Box says:

    Grim – Grandma did not actually buy one yet, stock yes but she is now loaded to the gills and proud of Apple, Amazon and other tech. My Bro and Lib have one now, as much as I am tempted to short we may have too see a bit longer.

    Timing is everything. I would say when nobody has the time to workout right around when their dream of staying home and the idea of second breakfast is crushed. Covid-19 has to weigh in still.

  93. Fabius Maximus says:

    I love working from home. Up early, check the work mail and then get the kids ready. They are all back in school and fingers crossed that stays. By 7:30am they are all gone. Mrs Fab is out 4 days and WFH one.

    So 7:30 – 9am I have carved out for homelife. If I have a work meeting I’ll take it, but most of the time I try and keep that part of the calendar clear, I might head to the grocery store to do some shopping.
    I can Prep dinner. I have the time to really crack open the cookbooks. Hit the rowing machine or some study time for the Masters.

    My company always touted work/home balance, this is working out well for both of us.

  94. Phoenix says:

    The story is the best part. You always wonder how. You will never understand why.

    You will usually be surprised with what. Or why what was chosen.

    Never quite understood the piercing thing either.

  95. Libturd says:

    No doubt Peloton is a covid fad and all fads eventually end. I wouldn’t invest in them. Better off in CMG. Burritos are immortal.

    Homeboken? A Biden rally? Now we know you’re lying. Thought the LID was on at 8:45?

    Took a look at the polls again. Trump is done. I’m more confident than ever. RGB is the nail in the coffin.

  96. Phoenix says:

    Red Green Blue or Ruth Bader Ginsberg?

    I laugh cause I have to undo that mistake every time.

  97. Phoenix says:

    Fab any way you can pm me? Have a question to ask you.

  98. No One says:

    So some of you think killing whichever policemen happen to be nearby is the right thing to do when you don’t like the outcome of a jury trial?
    That is actual murder, as opposed to police returning fire after being shot at.

  99. Hold my beer says:

    Phoenix is a corrections officer?

  100. Libturd says:

    None of us believe that.

    The cops in this case got the right verdict. It’s how they perform their job that needs some reform. In this case, they did what they were told. I can’t be responsible if a couple of brothers shoot at them for everything else. ✊🏿

  101. No One says:

    ExEssex seems to think riots and police shot is a joking matter.
    Phoenix appears to call this “street justice”?
    More like injustice.
    Now lynch mobs are cool as long as they choose the right targets?

  102. Dink says:

    “A Louisville police officer was just shot at a Biden rally in Louisville”

    You are a shameless hack. You dont just dutifully link to propaganda like the usual winger crew does here you actually go out of your way to make it up on your own.

  103. joyce says:

    To me the comments didn’t sound supportive at all… the opposite actually. Just an explanation of an easily expected outcome given how dysfunctional the criminal justice system has become.

    No One says:
    September 24, 2020 at 12:23 am

    Phoenix appears to call this “street justice”?
    More like injustice.
    Now lynch mobs are cool as long as they choose the right targets?

  104. homeboken says:

    Dink – the riots in Lville are happening right now. Do you think anyone in the streets there tonight is going to vote for Trump?

    Those are all non-voters or Joe Biden supporters. So that is the Biden equivalent of a rally.

    Joe of course has no clue what’s happening, anywhere.

  105. ExEssex says:

    At least Biden isn’t saying

    i mIgHt nOt lEaVe iF i LoSe.

    Trump is the most unAmerican imbecile
    to ever hold the office.

  106. Phoenix says:

    “Just an explanation of an easily expected outcome given how dysfunctional the criminal justice system has become.”

    Bingo. One needs to experience the system to understand it. And once someone does everything becomes much clearer.

    I wish the stock market was as predictable as this. I could then retire easily.

  107. Phoenix says:

    So let’s start with the facts. Did the officer lie to a judge to get a warrant? Why would a postmaster say something totally different than what happened? Did the officer not think he had enough evidence without the lie?

    Without the warrant would they have been there after all?

  108. homeboken says:

    Everyone, agrees that breyonna taylor getting shot was an absolute tragedy. It was horrible.

    Ay the same time, we have a system of justice to be carried out when people do wrong. In this case, the family has settled on a compensation figure and the officers involved will face the legal system.

    For the rioters, that’s not enough. They want blood. They want mob justice. Get the cops head on a spike and parade it thru the streets of Louisville. Absent that, they also think that shooting at anyone else that is a copy is also justified.

    This is MOB JUSTICE. You can say you support it from your safe neighborhood but the mob either gets put down or it continues to spread. There is no satisfying the mob.

    I understand totally that people are pissed at cops. Cops do make mistakes.

    My anger comes when the the same people that will shoot at innocent cops just doing their job will ignore they dozens of shooting that happen between citizens every week.

    Did you know that there will be appx 19,000 homicides in the US this year? 7,500 of those will be black men. 90% of those 7500 will be killed by another black man.

    Those are facts. Cops are a problem but that’s the wrong place to focus.

    Imagine have a compound leg fracture, bone sticking out. Seering pain. You also have a cut on your finger. Would you fix the cut first or the fracture. Fix the real problem first. Instead, people allow themselves to be convinced that the leg is “just the way it is man, let’s go shoot those cops that cut our finger.

  109. leftwing says:

    “Fix is in, can sleeping Joe win in the debates? Sure he had the chops. Question is will he be able to muster them quickly and succinctly? Hard to say…”

    Listen, I’m not jumping on the bandwagon of denigrating this guy’s mental capabilities but he certainly appears to have some low level developing cognitive issues using his prior self as the baseline.

    Interesting for me, if interest can be called the correct word, is not necessarily the debates but debate prep.

    Prep is normally brutal. Sequester the candidate in some hotel, bring in proxy questioners, a proxy for the opponent, and just grind it out for a few days. In terms of stamina and mental demands the prep is often more exhausting than the actual debate, and is meant to be so to be prepare the candidate for all scenarios.

    Those close to him must know the exact extent of the decline. It will be on full display and possibly even exacerbated during debate prep. Keep an ear out if anything leaks from debate prep. Usually it’s pretty well covered by the press…location, who is playing the opponent, etc.

    With the debate a week out I’m still of the opinion there will be a move by the Biden campaign to do it online. Pelosi weeks ago talking about cancelling the debates was a trial balloon to be evaluated. They figured out that wouldn’t fly so a screen where he can be surrounded by handlers is the fallback.

    Do we know….is Joe doing normal prepping somewhere. Are there plans in place to have him do so? For those following his ‘lid’ that may explain his unavailability. If not, the absence of the normal grueling prep may be the first tell that he is in noticeable decline and the debates will not take place in the form and format scheduled.

  110. Phoenix says:

    “Cops do make mistakes.”

    Lying to a judge in order to get a warrant is not a mistake.

    And get body cameras already. Release video to the media. Just like this one. Let’s see what it really looks like.


  111. Phoenix says:

    Cops are not the primary problem. They are acting under the rules the justice system provided for them. Change the rules, problem goes away.

    The justice system is the problem. How many times do you hear “the best justice money can buy?”

  112. Phoenix says:

    “Listen, I’m not jumping on the bandwagon of denigrating this guy’s mental capabilities but he certainly appears to have some low level developing cognitive issues using his prior self as the baseline.”

    Agreed. But in his case he seems more mellow, less aggressive, easy going. Like a happy drunk vs an angry one.

  113. Phoenix says:

    “Cops are a problem but that’s the wrong place to focus.”

    Nothing to see here folks, just move along.

    Let’s go, keep moving. Don’t focus here. Put the camera down. It’s only your sister, plenty of other dead women out there. Forget her, focus on the statistics. Personal does not matter, in your next life both you and your sister will be happy, rich, and live to 100 so forget about the life you are currently living.

  114. homeboken says:

    Phoenix – good boy, report to your nearest downtown to pick up your pitchfork.

  115. Phoenix says:

    I don’t care enough to put in the effort. Too much more to focus on. Plus this is all job security for me, and I like to work.

    Only thing I am picking up is popcorn to watch. I’m good. You won’t ever find me at a rally that’s for sure. Nor a voting booth. Not until there is more than 2 parties to choose from.

  116. leftwing says:

    “Bret Stephens is no liberal”

    LOL, my bad, never even looked, don’t know him…just pulled a ‘considering the source’….

    “Peloton has a pretty good chance of failing.”

    Considered shorting it a while back but decided I liked my money too much…may be getting there….unsettled market, ATH territory, post earnings swoon……

  117. Libturd says:

    I think Biden gets crushed at the debates for two reasons. First, Trump has four years of being the POTUS to draw from. Biden has a long and storied tenure in politics, but you can only do so much as one out of 1oo. Second, between his speech impediment, onset senility and his tendency to get angry easily. He’s likely to come across as the loser. But since when does this really matter? Trump will continue to lie through his teeth at the debate (which I’m sure will be real-time fact-checked) continuing to empower the hatred vote which is going to take him down in November. You can’t poll hatred. His ship (much like everything else he has touched) is taking on water fast.

  118. 3b says:

    Juice: Exactly my point. The Dems on this blog cant or won’t acknowledge that their party is just as bad. They keep pointing to Trump who has only been in politics 4 years. Hunter Biden gets 3.5 million from the mayor of Moscow. And the Dem supporters here say nothing, except for Fab who posts more Trump/Russia ties allegations.
    But the fact remains we have a Son of the VP at the time who is now running for President who was paid by the Russians, and also paid by the Chinese. For what? It smells, and honest people on both sides should at least acknowledge that much.

  119. Phoenix says:

    “Another 870,000 workers filed for jobless benefits last week”

    Another 870,000 patriotic flag waving Americans had their jobs outsourced by flag waving American corporations with the assistance of flag waving politicians.

    Naah, this won’t ratchet up the tension in America. People like being unemployed.

  120. Phoenix says:

    “You can’t poll hatred.”

    Don’t underestimate the power of it either. It creates a drive like no other.

  121. Libturd says:

    I’ll acknowledge that it smells like a rotten fish. But compared with the body of lies, personal graft, nepotism and populist hatred that is the Trump regime, I’d still buy that fish over the carcinogenic black mold that is the POTUS.

  122. ExEssex says:

    WASHINGTON — More than 200 retired generals and admirals endorsed Joe Biden for president in a letter published Thursday, saying he had the character and judgment to serve as commander-in-chief instead of President Donald Trump, who has failed “to meet challenges large or small.”

    Some of the officers who signed the letter supporting Biden had retired only in the past few years, including Air Force Gen. Paul Selva, who served as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Trump before he retired in August 2019; Vice Adm. Gardner Howe, a Navy SEAL leader who also retired last year; and retired Adm. Paul Zukunft, who oversaw the Coast Guard until 2018.

    The list of signatories featured 22 retired four-star military officers, among them Navy Adm. Samuel Locklear, who oversaw all U.S. forces in the Pacific from 2012 to 2015, and Adm. Harry Ulrich, who commanded U.S. naval forces in Europe during President George W. Bush’s administration.

  123. Phoenix says:

    Why don’t you run for president? I’ll vote for you.

    Or would that mean you would be running to be president of Costa Rica?

  124. Libturd says:

    “It creates a drive like no other.”

    That explains the popularity of those rallies in PA and OH. None the less, each candidate will have their own supporters. Biden’s suporters are smart enough to not risk getting Covid to attend a buttkissing session for their leader. Honestly, how lame are you to attend one of these things?

  125. Phoenix says:

    “Mark Cuban: Every household in America should receive a $1,000 stimulus check every 2 weeks for the next 2 months”

    Sounds good. I need a new car.

    Mark Cuban for President.

  126. Phoenix says:

    “Honestly, how lame are you to attend one of these things?”

    Biden wants to take their guns. That’s like water to them. It’s fine. Why the hell even go there when all of the problems we have are ECONOMIC based?

    “It’s the economy, stupid.” JC.

    If the dems stepped away on just that one issue, they would have more repubs come to their side.

  127. Libturd says:

    The only thing I’m running for is the border. And I don’t mean Taco Bell, though I am partial to an occasional beef quesorito.

  128. 3b says:

    Lib: Yes it smells and yet it will be ignored. I don’t like Trump, he is an ignorant buffoon. But this nonsense that it was all milk and honey before he became Pres is nonsense. The Dems and the Republicans have sold this country out, but the Dems just want to return to status quo.

  129. 3b says:

    Joe is going to build it back better, what a laugh! In DC for 45 years and did nothing as American corporations destroyed this country.

  130. Phoenix says:

    “Biden’s suporters are smart enough to not risk getting Covid to attend a buttkissing session for their leader. ”

    Medicare will get the bill for the boomer infections. Most of the youth will need little or no hospitalizations. Romney will be happy when Medicare goes bankrupt cause he wants to get rid of it anyway.

  131. Phoenix says:

    “Joe is going to build it back better, ” his son will help him, he now has Chinese and Russian connections that are willing to invest in America.
    They have showed their faith in him by paying him well.

    How about we use some of these aircraft carriers to launch strikes on the traitors to our country?

  132. leftwing says:

    My p3tty th1eves up 1n R0ch3ster c0m1ng thr0ugh f0r my p0s1t10ns b0ys…d0wn 30% 1n f0ur trad1ng days….D0n’t b1tch and m0an ab0ut graft and 1ns1de p0l1t1cs, make 1t w0rk 1n y0ur fav0r….

  133. Phoenix says:

    “Dems just want to return to status quo.”

    Boomers don’t like change. That’s why they chose Biden. As they sail off into the sunset with their pensions, Medicare and Social Security on board the last thing they want is for the boat to be rocked like the Edmond Fitzgerald.

  134. leftwing says:

    these filters are fcuked….

  135. Phoenix says:

    They give us those nice bright colors
    They give us the greens of summers
    Makes you think all the world’s a sunny day, oh yeah
    I got a Nikon camera
    I love to take a photograph
    So mama, don’t take my Kodachrome away

  136. Phoenix says:

    Here is your street justice. Moose life matters.

    Moose hunter is mauled to death by a grizzly bear in the first deadly attack of its kind in Alaska’s largest national park.


  137. SmallGovConservative says:

    leftwing says:
    September 24, 2020 at 7:30 am

    ” he [Biden] certainly appears to have some low level developing cognitive issues…”

    It’s crystal clear to anyone who’s had to deal with this with an elderly parent or loved one, that Biden’s cognitive decline is very advanced. There’s no doubt for instance, that Joe’s neurologist(s) long ago recommended that he no longer drive a car — not that I have any idea when he last would’ve done that. But again, to anyone that’s dealt with this, that’s indicative of how far along his decline is — it’s many years of decline.

    Also interesting, though not surprising, that Dems and journalists don’t care. For anyone old enough to remember late 80s/early 90s, Dems and mainstream media — Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, Sam Donaldson etc — were outraged that Reagan’s decline toward the end of his second term was hidden/ignored by Reps. Now, when the Dems have a candidate SEEKING the presidency, that’s already significantly farther along in cognitive decline than Reagan was at the END of his presidency, not a peep.

  138. Phoenix says:

    Sociopath vs Sundowner.

    Choose your poison.

  139. homeboken says:

    The Hunter Biden exploitation risk is meaningful and needs to be considered. The kid and by extension, the potential future POTUS, is susceptible to bribery and extortion by a number of adversarial countries.

    The document trail from the State Department during Obama/Biden presidency shows that there were noted concerns about conflict of interests with Biden/Ukraine.

    This is a real issue. I am NOT claiming that the Trumps are squeaky clean. But the media totally writing the Biden situation off as “No big deal, he did nothing wrong” makes this smell even worse.

  140. 3b says:

    Phoenix: I am a tail end boomer, and I have been talking about change for years. I have never registered for either party. I have seen over the last 30 years the destruction of America s manufacturing base, while Joe was in office, the outsourcing of white collar jobs and the elimination of corporate pensions, while Joe was in office. The decline of the USA, and the rise of China which we facilitated, while Joe was in office, and on and on. As for the boomers, they ain’t all bad. I see more than a few Gen x and older millennials , in their massive houses with 2 kids and a 15 to 20k a year tax bill. And they need two incomes to pay for it. Then of course there is the winter vacation to the DR, and then the summer house on the shore for two weeks or more. Throw in the expensive leased cars and on it goes. However, if they loose one income they are screwed. I know a few of these people and they complain how hard it is to save!! Meanwhile my neighbors are old boomers in their late 70s, and raised 4 kids in a 3 bed 1 bath house.

  141. ExEssex says:

    9:27 so now it’s the cOrPoRaTions the destroyed the Country?

    10:05 to weak for words.

    You two are making miss Pumpkin’s drivel.

  142. homeboken says:

    Speaking of more than 2 parties – How do you feel about the Green Party being removed from the ballot in Pennsylvania?

    Nothing like a little political activism from the bench.

  143. ExEssex says:

    The United States today bears an uncomfortable similarity to that doomed empire. The American Constitution is the oldest in the world still operating, and has been obviously out of date for well over a century. Half the basic mechanics of government are either malfunctioning kludges or a gross betrayal of its own founding principles. Countries that fail to maintain themselves to this degree often do not survive.

  144. 3b says:

    Essex: Yes the corporations that destroyed America in conjunction with their bought and paid for politicians in both parties, including your beloved Democrats. It should not be that hard to comprehend.

  145. Libturd says:

    He did the same thing they all do. Politicians no longer care about optics. They are immune to pretty much anything and everything. Did Hunter do anything illegal? No. Immoral? Yes. Much like lying to the public, albeit Donald or Mitch. There is no story here. Everyone knows it already and has accepted it. Plus, there is no way of knowing dad had anything to do with it. You are wasting your time on this one. You are better off returning to the Faucc,i 5G Covid spread, deep state, antifa conspiracies.

  146. ExEssex says:

    10:20 you want to return to the days where we are all homesteading…?
    Maga for reals….

  147. 3b says:

    Lib: I don’t think we can say nothing wrong was done. What was the 3.5 million from the Mayor of Moscow to the son of the VP for? If the Dems are screaming about Russia and Trump, why is this a non story. In the end I don’t care I won’t be voting for either one of them. It’s the hypocrisy that I have a problem with.

  148. 3b says:

    Essex: It’s a little early to be smoking a joint.

  149. homeboken says:

    Lib – I agree that the Biden behavior is typical of career politicians. That’s a mess that term limits can solve.

    I’m old enough to remember December 2019, when the House brought an entire dog and pony show impeachment that was based on the idea that Trump abused his power by asking Ukrainian leadership about the oddities of Hunter Biden.

    Remember, the claim was that Trump abused his power by just asking about Biden’s involvement in Ukraine.

    So while it may be standard behavior to take bribes but now, the POTUS can be impeached just for asking about the bribes?

    If you are against corruption in government, can we at least agree that people should not be prosecuted for trying to stop the bribery?

  150. Libturd says:

    I’ve given up on all of them.

    Now listen (Biden’s favorite sentence).

    I’ve seen how Trump operates. He is a bully. I don’t subscribe to this for more reasons than I can go into. Bullies always win in the short-term and end up like Mortimer & Randolph in the end. I’ve seen how Biden operates. He has all the faults of your average long-term DNC darling Democrat. Yeah, his sh1t stinks terribly. At the end of the day, I do not want my country to be run by an asshole. It’s really that simple. The rest of this is noise. You’ll see it come election day. Only an asshole gives a fellow asshole a pass. I’ve always said Biden was the worst of all of the Dem candidates. But he is far from being an asshole. I’m really hoping there are less asshole voters in this country than I fear there could be. That’s my opinion. That’s what I’m going with.

    I prefer not to be friends with liars, misogynists, xenophobes and closet racists who make fun of the physical and learning disabled. Why would I want my president to have these traits? Why would anyone?

    Yeah it sucks that we are likely going back to the pro-corporate status quo. I won’t deny that. But Trump is simply abhorrent. And I don’t often fall for the fake news. I really am more centered. Heck, I’m a registered Republican. But not Trump. No way, no how.

  151. leftwing says:

    “The American Constitution is the oldest in the world still operating, and has been obviously out of date for well over a century.”

    I’ll take the other side of this trade….the document and its principles are fine. The issue today is that society has strayed from those precepts and is adrift; not that the document has not kept pace with society.

    Society’s movement away from the document is the problem, not the document itself.

  152. 3b says:

    Lib: I agree with all of what you said, except I think Biden is an asshole too. A more refined one but still an asshole. It’s just the hypocrisy of the Dems that annoys me.

  153. Libturd says:

    And there was a lot more to the story than asking about potential bribes. If I recall, there was this little issue about withholding aid (a bribe in itself) that you conveniently left out.

    Maybe it’s my studies of the Third Reich that is causing my hatred of Trump. He employed very similar tactics to get into office. Worse perhaps, because Adolf was actually correct in faulting the Brits failure to meet their end of the bargain. But when you start wrongfully blaming the ills of America (and especially most violent crimes) on immigration, then I have to draw the line. This is right out of the Third Reich playbook. And the white central swath of our nation was dumb enough to buy it. Before 2016, I always said Trump was PT Barnum. It’s actually a terrible comparison. PT Barnum gave circus freaks, with all of their ugly and scary physical differences salaries and respect (admittedly for profit). Trump actually makes fun of everyone’s physical differences, and this makes his base happy. Like the bonehead in your 7th grade physical science class who got his kicks and laughs (but really, much needed attention) out of picking on the slow kid. And the rest of the class gives it to him because they are too immature to know better. Hitler did it with the Jews, the Gypsies, the disabled and really, all non-believers in his bullsh1t. Though Trump certainly has not taken it quite as far as Hitler did. He employees the same types of lies and propaganda to obtain his ends. I cannot accept this. Sorry if you don’t see it.

  154. leftwing says:

    Re: Hunter and ‘silence’

    Everything on it’s own timeline, for maximum impact….

    A well oiled campaign has its data points plotted out; well before now through Election Day. Day by day into the future. What they put out, when, who is helping, what they other side’s timeline looks like for ‘breaking’ news, how they will respond.

    With the disorganization in this Admin who knows how methodically they have(n’t) prepared but for sure we have not heard the last of Hunter…..

    My guess, Trump is saving it for the debate. Keep the lid on the cooker and bait Joe hard hoping for an explosion. He is very – like incredibly weirdly – protective of this late adult ‘kid’.

    Joe blows up at the podium, that becomes a viral moment, and sets the stage for Hunter/Joe to be front and center of news cycles……if instead they start hammering on it now, it gets lost in the day to day background noise.

    Timing. For maximum impact.

  155. Libturd says:


    The hypocrisy bothers me too. It’s like with the upcoming SC pick. The Dems set the precedent here. Why are Dems acting surprised that a few Republican’s would go back on their word? You win some and you lose some. The Dems lost this one. Same with some of the BLM cases. I feel horribly for the cops in Louisville. There is no way for them to win under the current setup. They did what they were told. Poorly, but it really wasn’t their fault. It’s the system’s fault. A Dem knows that the system is what needs changing. A Republican will deny there is anything wrong with the system.

    The truth is in between.

  156. homeboken says:

    Lib – Reasonable. I prefer my country not be run by an A-hole. But here is where we differ:

    I reject the premise that Biden will be running the country. I have zero confidence that he will be acting in the traditional role of POTUS. I beleive that there is a network of “real decision making power” behind Biden that will not reveal themselves.

    That is what scares me. Biden is the candidate, in name only. A vote for Biden is not really a vote for Biden. It is a vote to embrace the real decisions makers to operate the country from the shadowy background.

    It’s not Trump v Biden. It’s Trump v Some complex network of power that hides from public view, for a reason.

    As they say – The devil you know…so I am voting for Trump.

  157. Libturd says:

    My guess on Hunter is that Joe will ask to leave family members out of it if there is no proven connection to his dad, which he claims there isn’t. Trump won’t oblige and will look like the asshole which he is.

    You can bank on it.

    Like I said, it’s a nothingburger besides meat to the bumper nutz crowd.

  158. Libturd says:


    True respect for your opinion. Though, where we significantly differ is that I know Biden will step down if his mental acuity (or lack thereof) worsens. I’m not sure Trump will step down even if Biden wins the election. Do you think he will go peacefully? Honestly?

  159. homeboken says:

    I really do believe Trump will go peacefully if he loses. Remember, this guy has a real life to go back to. He can go back to running his empire, playing golf and banging his supermodel wife.

    Only career politicians need to be re-elected forever. Trump obviously wants to win but the alternative, if he loses, is still a excellent existence.

    You have to remember – Trump is not a politician, he may be an A-hole, but he is not what you think of when you think of a president. That is his draw to so many. They feel the same as you – life long politicians are horrible people that smile why they pick your pocket.

  160. homeboken says:

    Lib – One question back at you, if I may:

    You say you believe Biden will step down if he begins to decline. Let’s assume that is true. Then aren’t we basically voting for Kamala?

    I admit I don’t know much about Harris but what I do know, I don’t really like.

    Based on what you’ve seen from Biden this year, do you think he can successfully negotiate a trade deal? Can he run a Covid task force? I feel that he isn’t capable and that a Biden POTUS will be trotted out only rarely for a state of the union or other prepard remarks. Maybe that is what people are looking for and I am in the minority opinion here. But it seems to me that people want more transparency from government, not less.

  161. JCer says:

    On Hunter Biden, here’s the thing. For all the accusations made against Trump in the impeachment, there are audio recordings of Joe demanding the prosecutor going after his sons employer be removed and the President of the Ukraine saying the prosecutor is “clean”, there is “no evidence of any wrongdoing” but they will ask him to resign.

    Think critically about this why would anyone give a known crackhead millions of dollars? Joe has also lied repeatedly, he was acutely aware of his sons business dealings in Ukraine, so running interference for him by demanding the prosecutor be removed is totally in line with the bribe he received. It’s influence peddling plain and simple, those who make excuses for it and claim no wrongdoing are being dishonest at best. The timing makes a coincidence highly unlikely…….

  162. Fabius Maximus says:

    Home, thats funny.

    Who is the network behind Donnie. All I see him do is Rage tweet what he watching on Fox. Although he getting dragged out pay “respects” to RBG. And then its off campaigning and then tomorrow I bet I’ll be paying for him to golf at his own club again.

    Phoenix, you can get me at fabiusmaximusnj at the G.

  163. homeboken says:

    Fab – IMHO, there is a meaningful difference between an executive surrounding himself/herself with the best possible advisors and support teams VERSUS the executive completely delegating decision making power to someone else.

    In the case of government, decision making power being delegated to unelected power players is terrifying. That is the end of a constitutional republic like we have now.

  164. 3b says:

    Fab: 1996 really? My point stands, Hunter Biden recurved 3.5 million dollars from the Mayor of Moscow while his father was the VP. Yet you deflect the discussion back to Trump. Typical.

  165. Fabius Maximus says:

    This all comes down to Donnie needing to stay in the WH or face a Perp Walk in January. There are about a dozen sealed indictments still in SDNY to come out. Four of those will be Donnie and the kids. Add in Rudy and possibly Resses Pieces.

    My 60% chance of a clean election is now at 40% and dropping.

    ““Well, we’re going to have to see what happens, you know that. I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots and the ballots are a disaster. … Get rid of the ballots and we’ll have a very peaceful — there won’t be a transfer frankly. There will be a continuation. The ballots are out of control. You know it.”

    So like a bad Bond plot, Donnie gives us the plan in a monologue. Cast doubt on the mail-in vote totals so the the GOP legislatures can select their “Loyal Electors” on what they think the totals would be.

    Am I that cynical to think that the response to CoVID was always to set up that exact scenario. Sadly yes. I think everyone needs to think on that and come to their own conclusions. Could Donnie be that callous that 200K (so far reported) and a country in pieces to avoid jail?

  166. JCer says:

    Homboken, the same dark forces behind Obama, will be running the Biden show. Obama wasn’t making any decisions in office, he was directed from behind the scenes. Every president I can recall outside of big orange has one thing in common, extensive ties to the CIA. The finger prints of the CIA are all over the Trump impeachment, the campaign spying, etc. Obama’s grandfather who raised him was CIA. The Bush family had extensive ties. The Clinton’s helped the CIA run drugs in Arkansas. What do you think the spying apparatus the NSA has been building is for? Information can be weaponized and people can be blackmailed, plain and simple.

    Do we think Gordon Sondland really had a conscious and wanted to testify against Trump, a guy well aware of Trump’s character who still gave a million to his election campaign? Or was there the issue of $exual misconduct allegations and blackmail involved in the testimony?

    The levers of influence dictate policy, the people meeting at Bilderberg are defining policy, the politicians are just selling it to the muppets who think they are involved in the process.

  167. leftwing says:

    “Like I said, it’s a nothingburger besides meat to the bumper nutz crowd.”

    Not even close. You could not be more wrong.

    The $3.5m doesn’t matter….

    I’ve posted before in detail what the issue is…to summarize…..Burisma…

    Hunter Biden has absolutely ZERO qualifications to be on the Board of anything, let alone a major oil company.

    I performed and shared the comparisons between his deal at Burisma and the publicly listed majors here previously….to summarize:

    At XOM, Board members have CEO backgrounds, are on other F500 Boards, and/or deep experience in the oil industry or academia.

    Hunter has none of the above, he was a forty something addict in the throes of a decline with no business experience, no executive experience, no industry experience, and he didn’t even speak the fcuking language of relevant documents in the company.

    Yet, each of the luminous Directors at XOM is paid $281k, while this POS addict is paid $600k.

    Look at the backgrounds of what a director of a major oil company should look like. Then look at Hunter earning 2x as much.


    His ‘compensation’ was a flat out bribe to the family of a sitting VP with specific authority over the area.

    If something like this happened in any municipality, anywhere, including this corrupt State, the participants would be tossed from office and jailed.

    Imagine the Township Engineer of your municipality suddenly becomes someone with no degree in the profession, no experience in the area, speaks only Spanish, but is the Mayor’s son. And he gets hired and his pay bumped to 2x market.

    That is exactly what happened with Hunter/Joe.

    Flat out corruption. Unvarnished.

  168. homeboken says:

    As we discuss peaceful transfer of power – Let’s recall August, 2020.

    Hillary Clinton – “I don’t think Joe Biden should conceed, under any circumstances…that eventually he will win but we can’t give an inch”

    Let’s say on Nov. 4, the in-person poll showss Trump winning 325 or more EC votes, should Biden conceede? Or are we going to keep counting until we achive a statisical improbability that the mail-in votes will be so overwhelmingly for Biden that it can make up the in-person vote margin that, I think, will favor Trump.

  169. SomeOne says:


    Or are we going to keep counting until we achive a statisical improbability that the mail-in votes will be so overwhelmingly for Biden that it can make up the in-person vote margin that, I think, will favor Trump.

    What would be the problem if the winner isn’t declared by Nov 5th or even 10th? Some states disallowed counting (or even processing) of mail-in ballots before the election date (I do not understand why they would do it), and the counting process will likely be delayed.

    What if one candidate concedes too early and the final result turns out to be the opposite? What happens then?

  170. Fabius Maximus says:


    The days of AP called elections on election night are over at least for this year. This will go on until all states declare.

    Here is an interesting scenario. Say PA GOP declare the state for Donnie. Counts go on with a tally of 261 Joe, 263 Donnie and NJ the only state left. Phil decides to go the PA route and declare the state for Joe. You good with that?

    How would you resolve it. Do you just promote Nancy under the secession rules on Jan 4th?

  171. Fabius Maximus says:

    Thats going to be a fun ride back to the WH.


  172. Bystander says:


    Brutal. Raw. He cowardly walks away.

  173. homeboken says:

    Fab – I don’t understand the scenario you pose? Not being a d!ck, I truly don’t follow your hypothetical?

  174. homeboken says:

    What I mean is – Murphy has nothing to do with the certification of election results.

    I do enjoy the implication however, that NJ is going to be close enough that Trump is fighting for proper NJ vote certification.

    I’ll tell you this – IF NJ is close for DJT, then the POTUS results will be red all over the country, save the West Coast and NY.

  175. JCer says:

    Exactly leftwing, there is clear conflict of interest. Biden inserting himself in the Ukrainian Justice system who was in the process of seizing the assets of his son’s employer, is clearly criminal corruption. Given the circumstance Joe should have recused himself on any matters involving Burisma, but we see that is not the case….

  176. Homeboken says:

    In a move that surprised precisely nobody:

    The Biden campaign called “the lid” at 9am this morning.

    9 days out of 24 thus far in September, the lid was in before lunch.

    Is the job of POTUS going to become a part time gig in 2021?


  177. JCer says:

    Left, a further comment. In the United States the company attempting to hire the unqualified crackhead son of the VP would be investigated. The son of the sitting VP is entitle to “earn” a living. As you’ve pointed out Hunter was neither qualified nor was he “earning” any of that money. Burisma was being investigated by the authorities…….until Joe Biden stopped the investigation, it is practically an admission you are accepting the bribe……..

    This is why the orange moron and his accomplice Giuliani were pressing the new president, this is a HUGE scandal. Frankly more significant than anything they’ve had on an administration since Iran Contra. Basically the political elite in the Obama administration were war profiteering off the Ukraine Civil war which they played a role in starting in the first place(most people don’t realize the obama administration was arming literal n@zis). The so called open, transparent, scandal-free obama administration was really quite bad, committing numerous crimes against humanity. Leading to revolution and instability in many regions there is a lot of blood on Obama’s hands not even counting the drone strikes…….

    Bush before Obama was involved in exactly the same CIA driven machinations.

  178. Libturd says:

    There are politicians family members all over boards of companies both internationally and domestically. These board members are paid by the corporations for no reason except to curry favor (or better yet, to juice the stock price). You tards are acting like you’ve never seen this before! Nearly every company’s boards of trustees in all government related industries has them. I clearly admitted it reeks of immorality. Much like hosting every White House event at a property owned by Trump. Immoral. Not illegal. At the end of the day two wrongs don’t make a right. So stop acting like your sh1t doesn’t stink too. Guess where Trump’s son and daughter work? Just stop it. Noone cares.

    As for Kamala assuming the presidency. You could do worse. First, she is much more progressive than Biden and extremely smart. As a prosecutor she did what she had to do. So much so that the right should support her. The main thing I dislike about her is her willingness to play the race card to her advantage. For every time someone does, it absolutely reeks of reverse racism. She loves to play the pioneer in forced busing (integration), but she went to an already successfully integrated high school. Why? Well, Berkeley is not exactly Camden. If you lived there, you had money. White people tend to be cool with living among black people as long as the black people aren’t ghetto. Kamala’s family was not ghetto. But she would like you to believe it was.

    I am really beginning to hate this country. You can’t make a transaction without someone fukcing it up anymore.

    Today’s third-world issue had me driving to Corrado’s to pick up 10 pounds of whitefish to smoke which they, of course, didn’t have. I called earlier in the week and they confirmed it would arrive (like it does every week) on Thursday. I try to call them to confirm this morning and I am connected to the liquor and wine department multiple times. I ask for the direct number. I dial it, and of course, it goes directly to the liquor and wine department. So I drive the 15 minutes to Paterson/Clifton to pick it up and they say they don’t get whitefish anymore. Then it’s a mad dash to the kosher fish markets in Teaneck (another 18 minutes) where I actually found some of the freshest whitefish which I have ever seen. It was twice the price of Corrado’s, but these fish were close to still breathing. Gills still red, eyes completely clear fresh. This is amazing since it came from the Great Lakes. I left happy.

    By the way, if any of you like smoked whitefish salad, it’ll be ready tomorrow if you’d like some. Just let me know. If you never had it fresh, it’s absolutely incredible. That store bought stuff was most likely made 3 weeks ago. If not around the Jewish high holidays, then it’s probably older. Let me know.

  179. Libturd says:

    About the Biden lid.

    Libturd, the Master Beta says:
    November 14, 2019 at 4:26 pm

    Sadly, as long as Biden stays in his cave.

  180. JCer says:

    Lib, there aren’t many family members of sitting politicians who are blatantly unqualified and overpaid sitting on corporate boards in the US. Plenty of ex-politicians sit on boards because of their contacts but nothing quite as blatant as the Ukraine situation.

    Lib as mentioned it’s not a red vs. blue issue, Bush was engaged in the same overseas shenanigans. In the case of Trump, the presidency has actually cost him money, he was basically an infomercial guy selling his name to basically anyone who would pay and it was quite lucrative. Politics has severely diminished his brand value…..

  181. JCer says:

    Point being Trump is not monetizing politics, he doesn’t need to whether he has 500m, 1bn, or 9bn is irrelevent he’s rich.

  182. Libturd says:


    You have to be kidding. This is a huge boon to his brand. And I guess you see nothing wrong with the rampant nepotism?

  183. No One says:

    Essex, this video from JP Sears is for you talking about how great California is now.

  184. Phoenix says:

    “If something like this happened in any municipality, anywhere, including this corrupt State, the participants would be tossed from office and jailed.”

    The corrected statement, what really happens:

    If something like this happened in any municipality, anywhere, including this corrupt State, the participants should be tossed from office and jailed, but instead they sued the township for harassment, took an 800,000k settlement and retired with their pension and lifetime benefits.

  185. homeboken says:

    Don’t forget about cashing out 4 years of unused vacation time.

  186. Libturd says:


    Do you think Barr was booked his annual Christmas property in a Trump ballroom for the friends and family discount?

  187. Phoenix says:

    Corrected 800k settlement. Let’s be realistic here.

  188. Phoenix says:

    “Don’t forget about cashing out 4 years of unused vacation time.”

    Sorry, missed that. Also the disability claim that they were injured at the desk job and can never work due to disabling carpal tunnel syndrome. The wife will put in a claim as well for loss of consortium as your golden fingers turned to coal.

  189. JCer says:

    Lib, his brand is toxic and his most lucrative deals have been building naming deals usually in the middle east and latin america. His business dealings in Russia were similar, developers in third world countries love to put Trump on a luxury building and sell apartments or offices to their corrupt politicians. Trump as president has insulted these countries and called them sh*tholes, do you really think they are going to pay the naming fee and hire the Trump organization to consult on their buildings anymore? Is he doing the Apprentice anymore?

  190. Libturd says:

    If he was so rich? Why was he doing the Apprentice? We’ll never know without those tax forms. What is he hiding?

    I don’t think he is as wealthy as you think he is. Real estate moguls tend not to be that rich since every property is leveraged against the next. I wouldn’t write off his wealth as a reason for him not to graft.

  191. SomeOne says:

    JCer, Lib, Left,

    With all relevant caveats, it seems that Hunter Biden has a law degree from Yale, was appointed by GW Bush to the board of Amtrack for a five year period in 2005, was a major lobbyist prior to his dad being a VP, tried to start a hedge fund, etc.

    What is a market range for someone like that without bonuses, equity and such? Al Gore was on Google’s board (big bucks in equity). GW Bush got a free stadium.

  192. ExEssex says:

    3:19 funny! One thing does stick out,
    As onerous as the Taxes here – Jersey’s are
    worse. But homelessness is at insane levels.

  193. Libturd says:

    “homelessness is at insane levels.” You can blame the weather for that.

  194. ExEssex says:

    I don’t know if you got the memo, these are the last days of Rome….

  195. Phoenix says:

    The K Hive. Is this those murder hornets everyone has been talking about? First one they are going to sting to death is Biden if he becomes president.


  196. Phoenix says:

    If I was going to be homeless I’d choose California as well. Don’t need some snobby woman pulling over in her Tahoe XL to give me a blanket that she and her drunken friends knitted out of grocery bags while the kids were at school.

  197. Fabius Maximus says:

    Donnie is not rich. He has cash flow from all the appartments he owns from Fred, but all the big investments are hurting. Turnburry is underwater and its all propped up by Russian loans.

    The taxes are coming out at some point.

  198. Fabius Maximus says:

    Fauci tells Murphy N.J. is in ‘good shape’ with COVID-19 despite threat of 2nd wave

    Meanwhile over in NYC.
    Six NYC Neighborhoods See Spike in COVID-19 Cases, as Fears of Second Wave Mount

  199. JCer says:

    Lib if you were to look at Trump’s bankruptcies ask yourself why these entities were so heavy in debt? Typically more so that what they were even purchased for sometimes hundreds of millions more. The way people like Trump or the Kushners for that matter operate is they put a small amount in, take on bank debt and investors, and then siphon off money in the form of management fees, etc. Then if at any point in time the value increases you take the money out in the form of even debt, so you could have a deal where Trump put in 30m, has taken out 100m in fees, debt, etc and defaults on the loans. Trump is 70m richer while his investors and vendors get fcuked. As long as people are stupid enough to loan him money, this is how it goes, and if you know anything about how the game was played half the bankers could care less if 5 years later the borrow defaults, the banker has already been paid. Trump has considerable assets outside those that are debt encumbered.

  200. joyce says:

    Lexington Herald-Leader
    LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Larynzo Johnson was arrested Wednesday night in Louisville in connection to the shooting of two police officers, the city’s police chief said. Online court documents show that Johnson was charged with two counts of first-degree assault and 14 counts of first-degree wanton endangerment.

    Well, they wrapped up that investigation quickly.

  201. chicagofinance says:

    I always buy from here…..

    Libturd says:
    September 24, 2020 at 2:46 pm
    By the way, if any of you like smoked whitefish salad, it’ll be ready tomorrow if you’d like some. Just let me know. If you never had it fresh, it’s absolutely incredible. That store bought stuff was most likely made 3 weeks ago. If not around the Jewish high holidays, then it’s probably older. Let me know.

  202. chicagofinance says:

    Where is the respect for Ginsburg?

    Fabius Maximus says:
    September 24, 2020 at 1:31 pm
    Thats going to be a fun ride back to the WH.


  203. Juice Box says:

    Tales from the working world. Lots of layoffs recently at my place then blam! you magically have $150 million to tell Wall St you saved! Meanwhile stock is still crickets and revenues are terminal!

    Anyway as you all know by now because I rarely shut up they hired a kid to replace me. Spent the day skooling her. Nice young lady, escaped Russia and is very sharp, but I think I caused a panic attack. It was not intentional, and I know women are much tougher than men, but I do feel the need to make it up. Would sending a gift card for a massage be too much?

  204. Juice Box says:

    They seta trap for Trump and he fell for it. That is enough for me I am writing in Tom Cruise, he would have never been booed!

  205. Bystander says:


    Ruth is smiling. That is exactly what she wanted. Let’s not try to turn this. Trump cowardly walked off.

  206. Juice Box says:

    Fab – I know of one story about Donnie where he was calling up regional banks for a loan looking for somewhere around $100 million, he got it and then filed for bankruptcy the next day. Yet banks still loan him hundreds of millions for his projects. Look you don’t think he is rich but well you cannot buy and run a Boeing 757 on green fees or Apprentice TV show residuals. His personal yearly income was reported in the hundreds of millions a few years ago. He is no Bill Gates but he ain’t Allen Stanford either.

  207. Juice Box says:

    CNN cut to the crowd in their clip, the audio did not seem boosted either. The soundman must have been standing right next to the protestors aka mourners there we only what looks like a handful.

    Here is a pic from the Guardian.


  208. Juice Box says:

    More meat Please!

    “Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agents tasked by fired former Director James Comey to take down Donald Trump during and after the 2016 election were so concerned about the agency’s potentially illegal behavior that they purchased liability insurance to protect themselves less than two weeks before Trump was inaugurated president, previously hidden FBI text messages show. The explosive new communications and internal FBI notes were disclosed in federal court filings today from Sidney Powell, the attorney who heads Michael Flynn’s legal defense team.”


  209. Bystander says:


    Probably less than 100 but not a handful. That pic is one corner. They ran length of SC building. Hard to tell but clearly they arrived to go after Trump and dispersed when he left.

  210. Juice Box says:

    Bystander point is the link posted on twitter the audio seems boosted, you can hear the crackle in it. The CNN version is ok. Their video panned the crowd and it was tiny, and this is CNN we are talking about. Anyway “curated” aka FAKE social media is all the rage these days.

  211. Juice Box says:

    On a light note my 5th grader ordered a delivery pizza today for his crew, a few local girls and boys, they ride their bicycles around the neighborhood like I did when I was a kid. It isn’t E.T. the Extra Terrestrial but might as well be. They ate the pizza in my back yard, no way I am letting any of them in my house too much liability.

  212. ExEssex says:


    Investors may do lousy with Donald Trump Donald Trump , but they’d do worse without him. At least according to the Donald.

    Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts properties are loaded with $1.8 billion in debt, and Trump says he can pay what he owes but he chooses not to. To date, the casinos have generated enough cash to cover their obligations, but not enough to generate any profits; as a result, the equity value has been all but wiped out. The company’s chart makes it look like an Internet stock: Shares that traded for more than $30 in 1996 now sell for less than a buck.

    mp Hotels & Casino Resorts While the company is solvent for now, Trump says it may not be for much longer. For this Trump blames Osama bin Laden, even though on Sept. 10, the share price was already below $2.

    Now it’s the bondholders’ turn to suffer: Trump says he won’t pay the $88 million in debt payments due today unless the bondholders cut him a new deal. In response, Standard & Poor’s cut Trump Hotels’ debt rating to “CC,” its second-lowest rating, and warned it may cut further.

    Trump is, as always, doing fabulously well. “We’re number one in Atlantic City,” he says more than once, and that’s almost true. The Trump Taj Mahal runs neck and neck with Bally’s Park Place in terms of revenue, and Park Place’s Atlantic City properties as a whole generate more revenue than the Trump casinos, according to Goldman Sachs gaming analyst John Kempf.

    But as well as he does, the impact of the Sept. 11 attack was devastating in both its effect on tourism in Atlantic City–as elsewhere–and in spurring New York state to allow casinos in the Catskills and Niagra Falls resort areas, which will add to competition. Trump has threatened “massive litigation” to block New York’s plan, and he objects to Indian casinos generally, but for now he says, “I expect something to be built [in New York] very quickly.” He says Atlantic City could lose 25% of its business.

    As a result, he has decided to stop payment on his bonds and is seeking a new deal with bondholders.

    Does Trump feel any compunction about not paying people who lent him money when he says he has the ability to pay?

    “Look, it’s not me. I happen to own a very successful real estate company,” he says.

    Trump’s real estate holdings in New York and elsewhere are separate from his casino company, which is a small fraction of his net worth.

    “It’s a company of which I happen to own 42% and of which I happen to be chairman,” Trump continues, adding he has worked very hard on improving the casinos. “I’d like to see it work. But then Sept. 11 happened in New York.”

    As the major shareholder, Trump has arguably suffered as much as anyone from the decline in the Trump Hotels stock price. But other shareholders were not paid $3.7 million in total compensation in 2000 for doing a part-time job. Trump was.

    For Trump, who lately has been sharing New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner George Steinbrenner ‘s box at World Series games, it’s déjà vu all over again. In the early 1990s, the casinos traveled down this road and wound up in a bankruptcy reorganization. Generally, when a company goes into bankruptcy, equity holders wind up with nothing, and often the management is thrown out.

  213. BRT says:

    with respect to cognitive decline, I can only say that in every senior I’ve ever seen it happen to, once they started going, it was an accelerating process that went sideways really quickly (2 years at most).

    Moreover, I came to a revelation today. I’ve always appreciated the opinions of the older people I worked with. Some were in their 60s and 70s, incredibly wise and mentally sharp. These people showed no signs of slowing down mentally. Then, there’s me and all my friends who are now 40. We are all collectively complaining about how our parents and in laws in their late 60s have lost the ability reason and make stupid decision after stupid decision. Why we think it’s wise to keep electing politicians in their late 60s and 70s and trust them to make prudent decisions or understand anything is beyond me. McConnell, Pelosi, Biden, Schumer….all of these people are low IQ individuals who are just plugged into a system where the country has continually generated enough prosperity for people not to give a crap and keep voting them in. They aren’t even charismatic. I mean…if they were at party, could you even stand talking to them for more than 20 seconds?

  214. Juice Box says:

    BRT- Vain obsession all of them, even during a depression they party and give themselves awards. The ones in DC that you never hear about that do the real work have to cater to it.

    A co-workers son interned for a congresswoman from one the desert states. The stories I heard were unbelievable and if it did not come from someone I know well and care about I would have not believed it, and this was the left. The right of course is way worse, much more than eyes wide shut kind of stuff. We are no better than ancient Rome, bread and circuses it will be!

  215. Phoenix says:

    “Why we think it’s wise to keep electing politicians in their late 60s and 70s and trust them to make prudent decisions or understand anything is beyond me. ”

    Yeah read comments that Amy Barrett is too young @48 to have that job. How old does a goat need to be before it is a smart goat?

    And if you are afraid that that goat you chose will be able to graze for too long, put time limits on that role, say 10 years. Should have had those all along.

  216. Juice Box says:

    Lib your straw men a looking buff.

    re: “There are politicians family members all over boards of companies both internationally and domestically”

    Charity yes XOM no.

    I digress however from what I have read about the third word of Ukraine. Burisma is a cesspool that generates about 400 million a year in revenue. There is no way Sleeping Joe could get him a gig anywhere else. Perfect place to stuff a crack head who likes hookers and toys up his arse don’t ya think?
    As far as eating at my own restaurant or bowling at my own lanes. Cumon already he is Donnie.. He need to be fluffed, he isn’t getting that at the Weequahic Golf Course. BTW Hope and Change never played their either. Sure Hope and Change golfed less but really now he should play at the air force base? There are no happy to see ya 70 year old women there.

  217. Fabius Maximus says:

    “Why we think it’s wise to keep electing politicians in their late 60s and 70s and trust them to make prudent decisions or understand anything is beyond me.”

    And yet all the salivation over Bernie. “I would’ve vote for him!”

    The funniest part of this whole process was when it became clear that Joe was the nominee. All the attacks that were designed for Bernie were immediately rolled out. And all those people repeating those same Fox talking points.

  218. 3b says:

    Fab I was one of those who wanted Bernie in spite of his age because of what he represented, real change. Warren too would have worked, but your noble Democratic establishment would have none of it. And so we have an old guy Biden who
    Has been in DC for decades yet he is presented as the savior of the country. If you were honest, you would admit your candidate sucks too.

  219. ExEssex says:

    The Trump Presidency is a kleptocracy.

  220. ExEssex says:

    Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden is leading President Donald Trump in the battleground states of Nevada, Ohio and Pennsylvania, according to Fox News polls released Thursday.

    The polls conducted among likely voters showed Biden with an 11-point lead over Trump in Nevada, where 52 percent of respondents said they wanted the former vice president to be elected. In Pennsylvania, 51 percent supported Biden and 44 percent supported Trump. In Ohio, 50 percent supported Biden and 45 percent supported Trump.

  221. ExEssex says:

    The economic outlook is weakest under the scenario in which Trump and the Republicans sweep Congress and fully adopt their economic agenda. In this scenario…it is not until the first half of 2024 that the economy returns to full employment…unemployment remains persistently higher…labor force participation rate that never fully recovers to its pre-pandemic highs…real after-tax income does not change much during the president’s term…The economy suffers in Trump’s second term, as we expect he will double down on the foreign trade and immigration policies he pursued in his first term…The significant increase in tariffs during Trump’s first term—from an effective tariff rate of 1.5% when he took office to a peak of more than 6% just prior to the Phase One deal—acted like a tax increase on the U.S. economy, hurting U.S. manufacturers, transportation companies, and farmers in particular. More of the same is expected in Trump’s second term.

    Whew. That’s pretty brutal.

  222. ExEssex says:

    And there’s more:

    In every possible category, a Democratic sweep is better for the country than any other scenario. Moody’s even projects that Democrats would be better for the budget deficit than Republicans.

    You can read the full report here, but it’s pretty easy to summarize. If Democrats win, they’ll spend money to stimulate the economy out of its COVID-19 funk and this will help everybody. The spending will largely be financed by taxing the rich, which has only a small negative effect on the economy. But if Republicans win, they’ll keep the purse strings closed and instead pursue yet more tax cuts for the rich and trade wars with China. Neither one is especially good for the economy. It’s so simple.

  223. Fabius Maximus says:

    A long time way back I picked Warren for president, that was a candidate I could get behind. I think it was around 2015 but not so sure as I cant find the post. It may have been caught up in the “cleanup”.

    This Cycle I would have loved to seen Warren with the nod. That would have been Nut not to happen. Kamala was second on the list, but I always saw here as facing a Ginger Rodgers problem. “She would always have to do everything backward and in high heels.” Hillary and Warren managed to side step that. The funny thing is that Amy Barrett at 48 is facing questions that she is too young, but Neil Gorsuch at 49 did not. Where do people in here stand on that!.

    I am happy with Joe as the nominee. I need that Foreign Policy Gravitas at the helm. If he leaves everything Domestic to Kamala, I’m in a win/win. I need someone to stop the rest of the world laughing/pitying us dependent on the day.

  224. No One says:

    Biden will provide the gravitas of pooping in his Depends while failing to remember “you know that thing.” Some people may feel pity at that point, or disgust. Respect and admiration, not so much. I don’t know if Kamala wears high heels but kneepads may have helped her woo Willie Brown. If only 1% of Dems wanted her as president originally, I guess about 0.5% of all Americans would favor her ruling over them.

  225. Phoenix says:

    “Biden will provide the gravitas of pooping in his Depends”

    He could get one of these:

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