C19 Open Discussion Week 58

Updated Vaccination by Age Range for NJ:
Morning of 4/9 vs Morning of 4/12

At Least 1 Dose
Total Pop: 8.9m
Total 1st Doses: 3.4m – 38% of total pop (Up from 32%)
18-29 – 1.4m population – 306k dosed – 22% 1 Dose (Up from 21%)
30-49 – 2.3m population – 850k dosed – 37% 1 Dose (Up from 35%)
50-64 – 1.9m population – 986k dosed – 52% 1 Dose (Up from 49%)
65-79 – 1.1m population – 952k dosed – 87% 1 Dose (Up from 81%)
80+ – 400k population – 340k dosed – 85% 1 Dose (Up from 80%)

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243 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 58

  1. ExEssex says:

    Foist!!

  2. ExEssex says:

    California does many things well: We’re a leader in fostering technological innovation, we’re home to more billionaires than just about any nation on Earth and, of course, we produce movies.

    With all that cash flowing through the Golden State, you’d think we could give our kids a decent education. Not so much, apparently.

    A new analysis of the nation’s public schools, by personal finance site WalletHub, ranks California’s system among the worst.

    In fact, a spokeswoman for WalletHub says, “California has the 12th worst school system in America.”

    The study was based on 17 metrics, including student-to-teacher ratio, dropout rates and average SAT and ACT scores. Compared with the other 49 states and the District of Columbia, California ranked 47th in reading test scores, 46th in math test scores and dead last in student-teacher ratios.

    We were 43rd for our high number of disciplinary incidents per 100,000 students, 35th for SAT scores and 33rd for our dropout rate. One of our best showings was in the percentage of licensed or certified public school teachers in the state; by that metric, we’re No. 22. Huzzah!

    If you want your kids to attend the best public schools across the land, there’s no better state than Massachusetts, the study found. New Jersey, Connecticut, Vermont and Wisconsin rounded out the top five, respectively.

    California Department of Education officials say we spend 40 percent of our budget on students. If you add in federal funding, that comes to about $76.6 billion each year, they say.

    But WalletHub says cash doesn’t always equal quality.

    “More resources do not always correlate with better academic performance, as our findings demonstrate,” the site states. “That isn’t to say that money doesn’t help.”

  3. leftwing says:

    If you have an academically gifted child private schools are the way to go. Unless your HSer has a very specific interest serviced by a top magnet school.

    Any ranking is skewed by the criteria for the data. Such criteria can be highly personal, eg for some people diversity may matter more than SAT score.

    I would suggest that the best criteria relate to your personal endpoint…for most focused on academics even a criterion like SAT score is not the endpoint….

    Or, as my highly academically ranked son was told by his counselor at his high multi-year blue ribbon, top ten school district “look at the college admission stats then lower your expectations.”

  4. ExEssex says:

    Food for thought:

    A number of remote education programs meant to be temporary look poised to continue long past the pandemic, reports The New York Times. Several hundred U.S. school districts have built virtual schools this year, and many are now setting up long-term online schools to cater to families who have enjoyed remote learning. These “stand-alone” virtual schools have their own teachers and special curriculums designed for online learning, unlike many of the temporary programs set up for the pandemic. Some of the demand comes from students with health issues or bullying concerns, notes the Times.

  5. Very Stable Genius says:

    7%?! 8%!!!

    Thank you President Biden for the greatest economy ever.

    Economic growth is huuuuuugeeee!

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Are there still any Democrats out there that still think the Democrat Party is NOT the party of big business and banks??

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lefty,

    Can you stop belittling me. All I am simply pointing out is that productive areas of the economy carry a higher cost due to economic competition. Does a business cost more to operate in nyc or Tennessee? Now why? So why can’t you understand that if it costs a business more money to run in this location, why wouldn’t it apply to govt too? You think the govt gets a break on cost? So how do you expect to have cheap taxes in a successful economic hub? How can you expect nyc to have the same cost basis as Nashville?

  8. leftwing says:

    Posting the above on schools made me think….Bystander I believe you had a post a couple days back about your budding astronomer…I was going to respond…..

    That is so special. Take every opportunity to encourage, help flourish, and protect that inquisitiveness. He’ll need your help.

    Millions of parents spend tens of thousands of dollars each trying to replicate the outcome of the path your child will most likely just naturally travel.

    Some things just can’t be taught. It’s one of the time worn Gretzky discussions. Never the biggest, fastest, or best athlete some people just see the playing surface differently…

    His biggest impediment will be the knuckle draggers whose obtuseness and hostility can crush him…we may think of them with certain identifiable biases occupying school districts far from ours demographically…for your guy they will be harder to spot….the Vineyard Vine attired, 17th birthday new pickup driving, whose parents house is bigger, typical suburban mom’s ‘ideal’ son public school twit will suck the life out of him. Find a space where that won’t happen. Find a space where, if he goes this path, that natural intellectual curiosity will be valued and not knocked down by peanut gallery comments when he presents a ‘K’ word that no one (including likely his teacher) has ever heard of.

    GL.

    PS. Buy him a high powered telescope if you haven’t already. My guy started there, took it through some crazy astrophotography which he still does, and then to an internship in college where he joined with a professor who was one of few with direct access to primary Hubble data that they wrote programs against to try to tweak out new knowledge. His career has nothing to do with astronomy but what cool experiences for him, and cool experiences I was able to share with him. (We made camping trips always around new moons in ‘black’ areas of the country LOL). And don’t forget you have a rare total solar eclipse hitting the continental US in three years, cutting a path northeast right through the Great Lakes….

  9. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s like expecting to have cheap housing and labor in a successful economic hub. It won’t happen. The success will immediately go to work raising the price of everything. So why would you expect cheap taxes?

    Nyc has high income taxes because it has cheap property taxes. That’s why I said yesterday that I don’t care about the income rate, instead, what is the overall cost.

  10. Fast Eddie says:

    Grim,

    Thanks for posting the vaccination stats. More than anything, I want to see the day when mask are no longer required.

  11. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So wealth does not always lead to results…aka nj has good schools and teachers.

    ExEssex says:
    April 12, 2021 at 7:16 am
    California does many things well: We’re a leader in fostering technological innovation, we’re home to more billionaires than just about any nation on Earth and, of course, we produce movies.

    With all that cash flowing through the Golden State, you’d think we could give our kids a decent education. Not so much, apparently.

  12. grim says:

    Thanks for posting the vaccination stats. More than anything, I want to see the day when mask are no longer required.

    It’s exciting to see the acceleration and progress. Hate to say it, but NJ is rocking and rolling now.

  13. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Cashing In: BLM Co-Founder Goes On ‘Real-Estate Buying Binge,’ Snagging Four Homes Totalling Millions Of Dollars: Report 

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/cashing-in-blm-co-founder-goes-on-real-estate-buying-binge-snagging-four-homes-totaling-millions-of-dollars-report

  14. Libturd says:

    Grim,

    We are a smart state filled with a lot of smart people, where lots of other states are filled with morons with bumper nuts hanging from the rear of their pick-up trucks.

  15. Libturd says:

    Essex,

    Don’t begrudge her her gains. She is behaving no different than Jerry Lewis did.

  16. 3b says:

    Libturd: Fair point, but she is a self proclaimed Marxist, kind of tough to reconcile that. But it’s how the leftist elites behave, same as the old communist Soviet Union/Eastern Europe days.

  17. BRT says:

    Had two transfers from Cali in my class a few years back. Their school had 40 kids per class. Wtf?

  18. Juice Box says:

    BLM founder Cullors has a multi year deal with Warner Brothers. Cullors is represented by CAA, 3 Arts, Sarah Weichel, and Hansen, Jacobson, Teller, Hoberman, Newman, Warren, Richman, Rush, Kaller & Gellman.

    She is another product of the Boomer Hippie Generation terrorists the Weather Underground looking to capitalize in Hollywood.

    Really not much different than our Potus 44 who is now a big shot in Hollywood and has inked deals with Netflix. He was mentored by Bill Ayers. In this case it was Eric Mann who mentored Cullors.

    Weather Underground products folks….Fund Raising for BLM is done by “Thousand Currents” who is run by Susan Rosenberg another member of the Weather Underground she was responsible for BOMBING the US Senate in 1983, and only reason she is walking around free is because Bill Clinton commuted her sentence on his last day in office in January of 2000.

  19. Libturd says:

    Marxists always fail. Democratic Soc1alists, not so much. Shame 99.9% of the right and 99.8% on the left think any term that ends with “ist” translates to Communist.

  20. Juice Box says:

    Just want to point out the money that they have now for these homes and the jet set lifestyle is coming from Hollywood and not the charity that was collecting donations, as there is mush more money to be made selling out to Hollywood than being a director at some 501(c) charity.

  21. 3b says:

    Lib : True and history shows that some respects on the left use the DS as a cover until they they get into power. And yes it could happen here. Leftists can be just as ignorant as Rightists, and just because one is educated does not mean they can’t be ignorant.

  22. chicagofinance says:

    These threads are always going to need socks……. for the mouth……

    Fast Eddie says:
    April 12, 2021 at 9:27 am
    Grim,

    Thanks for posting the vaccination stats. More than anything, I want to see the day when mask are no longer required.

  23. Libturd says:

    Juice,

    You CAN make a lot of money selling out to Hollywood, but it is incredibly difficult to get your foot in the door. There are a heck of a lot more 501c abusers than social movement red carpet walkers. As a matter of fact, through my experiences with working with probably 50 cancer charities, I would argue that most 501c’s exist to enrich their employees first and provide charity second. Some of the numbers, even at the largest charities, would have made the Clinton’s blush. Komen is one of the worst offenders. Though a lot of the smallers ones, like The American Breast Cancer Society give less than 5% of their revenue to the cause.

  24. chicagofinance says:

    Hard to collectively expect strong intellect and motivation for a critical mass of the populace self-selecting based on weather.

    ExEssex says:
    April 12, 2021 at 7:16 am
    California does many things well: We’re a leader in fostering technological innovation, we’re home to more billionaires than just about any nation on Earth and, of course, we produce movies.

    With all that cash flowing through the Golden State, you’d think we could give our kids a decent education. Not so much, apparently.

    A new analysis of the nation’s public schools, by personal finance site WalletHub, ranks California’s system among the worst.

  25. Libturd says:

    When I lived in Los Angeles, I couldn’t believe the collective stupidity that was constantly on display. If you think we are bad here in New Jersey for reelecting morons like Menendez and (soon to be) Murphy. In California, they’d be nominating both for POTUS. The schools throughout both LA city and LA County, were pretty pathetic. The population tends to be incredibly shallow and much more interested in what you wear and drive than where you went to school. It was almost like the value system of nearly the entire spectrum of the population out there matched the same as one from a 12-year old growing up in Paterson.

  26. Hold my beer says:

    Texas 7 day moving average continues to drop, but yesterday it only dropped by a few percentage points and hospitalizations stayed the same.

    https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/

    Governor Abbott thinks we will be at herd immunity soon. Over 19% of Texans are fully vaccinated and about 37% have received at least one dose. Critics slammed him but he might be right. About 12% have tested positive but I suspect 40-50% here have had it and had no symptoms or thought they had a cold or allergies. There were a few studies that came out a month or two ago that found at least 33% of Texans have covid antibodies. there will be overlap between the vaccinated and those who have antibodies. bu most likely 50-65% have antibodies or been vaccinated., so not too far away from the 70-85% range for herd immunity.

  27. Fast Eddie says:

    Beer,

    Fauci says he’s “not really quite sure,” why Texas is now averaging under 4,000 COVID-19 cases after lifting mask mandates. I bet the obedience masks made practically no difference in the number of cases.

  28. Libturd says:

    Fantastic read on debt expansion over at Tangle. This was meant to only be for the paid subscribers (like me). But, was so popular on Friday that Saul has opened it up to the public. If you want to try to make the argument between austerity and printing till the cows come home, everything you need to know to make that decision is there. Even I learned a thing or two, and I have an economics minor. Enjoy.

    https://www.readtangle.com/p/does-the-debt-matter-noah-smith-brian-riedl

  29. Libturd says:

    North Texas isn’t doing well at all. There does indeed appear to be a weather-related phenomenon, though I’m still not convinced the variants are there like they are here yet. Just too much conflicting evidence every which way you look. It’s possible politics are playing a role in the counts too.

  30. LargeTownLiberal, thanks for the bourbon says:

    In other news, the great and almighty Biden, hero of the universe and savior of the free world, just posted the greatest ISM number (last Friday) in the past 40 years. You didn’t hear about it because the press is anti liberal. We are lucky to have him, the greatest president ever. You can try to argue against this, but it would be Fake News.

    “Manufacturing grew in March, as the Manufacturing PMI registered 64.7 percent, 3.9 percentage points higher than the February reading of 60.8 percent. This is the highest reading since December 1983 (69.9 percent); prior to that, the Manufacturing PMI registered 66 percent in November 1983.”

  31. Fast Eddie says:

    It’s possible politics are playing a role in the counts too.

    Like, swing state manipulation?

  32. Juice Box says:

    It seems Minneapolis is gonna burn tonight. Body cam footage released. Cop thought she pulled out a taser and instead used her firearm.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1381660582231879690

  33. leftwing says:

    “…sounding the alarm about our growing debt for some time…

    …has repeatedly questioned widespread fears about the debt and instead suggested that the United States will almost certainly have the time and warning to address it with fiscal tools before it gets too dangerous.”

    Started reading the article Lib but after that setup in the intro I have to ask….

    Seems the boundaries for the argument regarding debt accumulation are ‘alarming’ and ‘almost certainly have time and warning before too dangerous’.

    As such, haven’t we moved one of the goalposts to the 50 yard line thereby already answering the question?

  34. joyce says:

    Accidental discharge? Cops are pathetic. At best, it is a negligent discharge.

    Juice Box says:
    April 12, 2021 at 1:51 pm
    It seems Minneapolis is gonna burn tonight. Body cam footage released. Cop thought she pulled out a taser and instead used her firearm.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1381660582231879690

  35. Hold my beer says:

    Fast

    Most people are still wearing masks. Most businesses, especially chains, require them.

    I really think 60-65% of Texans have had covid or at least one dose of a vaccine.

    Libturd

    North Texas is consistently down over 90% from the peak. Dallas county doesn’t release numbers on sundays so mondays and Tuesdays look artificially higher. You have to go by 7 day moving average. Dallas has over 40% of north Texas population.

  36. BRT says:

    If Fauci ever admitted he was wrong on anything, it would be the end of days. He turned out to be wrong on a lot from the get go which is when he started using the “cautiously optimistic crap”. As far as Texas goes, maybe a little humility would go a long way. Either that or just recognize that this thing correlates with expected seasonality and don’t be so ignorant of that.

    He was actually asked a question the other day where they played a clip of him on masks last year where he said don’t wear them. He got pissed. Stating that they needed them for the healthcare workers and there was “no data that they worked” at the time, which they changed their position as the data came in.

    Two things. He’s full of crap.

    1. If there was no data, then why so important for healthcare workers and not people to wear masks?
    2. If they work so well, how many people died because they listened to him and didn’t wear a mask.

  37. Juice box says:

    #RedSox & #Twins postponed, “not weather-related…due to 5PM curfew & potential for riots

  38. Hold my beer says:

    BRT

    He admitted before he said don’t use masks because the healthcare workers needed him. He should have said save the n95 for healthcare workers and make your own cloth ones until the supply chain catches up.

    I wonder how many people died because of that and how many people used that to be anti mask

    He also has increased the percentage of people who need to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity and has admitted he’s intentionally moving the goalposts.

  39. leftwing says:

    Fauci is a bit of a goofball, you can see it in the way he moves and speaks. Also in the way he reacts when attention is put on him.

    Said it a few times, you want good info watch Scott Gottlieb. Former FDA commissioner, current Pfizer Board member. Medical doctor. Speaks openly and freely, including on Pfizer. Authoritative. Factual and not afraid to say he doesn’t have an answer. And for you guys a jersey boy.

  40. Libturd says:

    I’m not defending Faucci in any way, shape or form. He is a political puppet and does what he’s told. Might as well just make the POTUS the surgeon general too.

    As for listening to Faucci? Why is the right so infatuated with his every word, yet at the same time playing the, you can’t tell me what to do card, since this is ‘merica?

    Leftwing, read the whole debt thing on Tangle. Not just the intro. Tangle leans slightly left as does the greater society of a whole. But he does show both sides of every argument extremely fairly. He always does. You just didn’t get to it yet. If you read his take on the recent gun control changes, you would see he comes down on the side of the conservatives. As do I, for the most part.

  41. ExEssex says:

    Whew. Just had to replace the convertible locks on the ‘vintage’ BMW. I know why only rich guys drive these now. I might try and sell it now. Lots of cash swishing around out there, people coming out of lock-down…etc etc….

    Lord that would make halfway decent sense. So I asked my kid what she thought about me selling it?

    “Maybe we’ve had our time with it, dad.” Wise kid.

  42. leftwing says:

    Lib, I’ll give it a read. Always looking for good new analytical outlets. I was more pointing out, and agreeing with, that the range of conversational options seemed to skew toward “it’s an issue with a question of how big and when” which overall conforms to my view (not that it matters lol). TY on the recommendation.

    Fauci, I like in the way I liked my nice uncle that was always pleasant and cheery when he visited as he snuck me a buck out of my parents’ view. Nice guy, but I don’t want him leading me into battle.

  43. BRT says:

    As for listening to Faucci? Why is the right so infatuated with his every word, yet at the same time playing the, you can’t tell me what to do card, since this is ‘merica?

    I’m infatuated with him because he deity status is used to quash any intelligent arguments put forth by any other medical professional or scientist. The more people realize what a clown he is, the faster we move out of this thing.

  44. ExEssex says:

    11:43 and yet I have two kids accepted to Pratt this year. True Story.

  45. Bystander says:

    Thanks left. I bought him a smaller Newtonian telescope for his desk when he was 3. Way too young to use it. We checked out the moon a few times last year but too much light pollution for good optics. Need to step it up when he turns 7 at end of summer. Any recommendations?

  46. crushednjmillenial says:

    2400 new apartments in Hackensack . . .

    There are about 2,400 new apartments either in construction or recently built in hackesnack.

    If 2 people live in each, then that is about 5,000 people, which means that about 0.5% of Bergen County’s population will be living in a Hackensack apartment built between 2018-2022

  47. Libturd says:

    Bystander,
    This is what I would do. I would get the United credit card from chase as well as the Marriott credit card when both run their insane promos. Put every single dime you spend on each of those two cards for three consecutive months each. By this winter, you’ll have enough points to both fly him and you to Hawaii direct in business class and stay in a fancy resort on the Big Island for 5 days. While there, take him on a tour of the Keck Observatory on top of Mauna Kea. Bring the telescope. You won’t believe what you can see with a zoom lense on a digital camera. With a crappy telescope, you can see the rings on Saturn up there. I am not into astronomy, but I almost got hooked going on a cheap tour of it. Heck, you don’t even need a telescope to see way more stars than you could ever imagine existed up there. It’s just incredible.

  48. Hold my beer says:

    Texas only averaging 11 covid cases a day in long term care facilities, down from over 600 a day in December.

    https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/local/texas-long-term-care-facilities-covid-19-cases-record-low-numbers-april/287-0f51696b-3bf6-45f4-8c09-5ce3e39a9bd5

  49. ExEssex says:

    How many Americans would die each year, on average, if the country had European mortality rates? Far fewer, suggests a new analysis, which compared mortality trends before the Covid-19 pandemic.

    Despite spending far more than other wealthy countries on healthcare, the United States has relatively higher mortality rates and lower life expectancy – attributed to a plethora of factors including obesity, opioid overdoses, gun violence, suicides, smoking, road accidents and infant deaths.

    Given the US does not have a universal healthcare system like most high-income European countries, researchers also think access to healthcare and medicines is patchwork, a problem exacerbated by pronounced racial and socioeconomic disparities and the rural-urban divide.

  50. joyce says:

    HMB,
    I’m not arguing genuinely curious… where have you seen him acknowledge he’s been intentionally moving the goalposts so to speak?

    Hold my beer says:
    April 12, 2021 at 2:55 pm

    He also has increased the percentage of people who need to be vaccinated to reach herd immunity and has admitted he’s intentionally moving the goalposts.

  51. JCer says:

    On Fauci, the guy is only right slightly more often than The WHO, who through their incompetence and corruption has been wrong about almost everything they’ve said. My wife told me the WHO has said there are alarming trends and this is not over yet…..I told here that seals it this COVID thing is finished. Fauci has been deified because he stood up to Trump which coincidentally is why the Trumpanzees want to waterboard him. I am incredibly concerned by both sides, on the left they think Fauci is a god and Trump supporters are telling me I’ll grow a third arm from the vaccine. Once COVID ends Fauci will return to being a nameless, faceless government bureaucrat, I can only assume he’s continuing with the current spiel because it keeps him famous.

    I just got the J&J vaccine today so I guess I’ll see how it works, I’m thinking I’ll be able to return to normal shortly, we will see how it works out. I’m more than a little confused either the vaccines work, in which case the vaccinated really don’t need to be concerned with contracting the virus or they don’t work in which case we all injected ourselves with experimental cr@p for no reason, again 99.9% survive the virus and for many it is a flu like illness. I have to imagine it works in which case we should be able to get on with our lives.

    Lib on Cali, it’s mostly the people who are insufferable(esp around LA). They have fantastic weather, the government of a third world country and insane cost of living. As a little kid we practically lived out there, my dad would go on business for months at a time and we would stay out there. My folks loved visiting but had a strong opinion about a lot of the folks living out there and were decidedly against moving there even though it was certainly on the table and Cali in the 1980’s was infinitely livable compared to today. People in LA are getting more fed up living there than NYer’s in NYC if that’s any indication!

  52. Libturd says:

    I know. Three of my friends from out there moved back East after 30 years of living out there.

  53. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thanks for the share. I try my hardest to get people to not give in to the fear mongers, but it’s just too difficult. Mr. Smith gets it, and unfortunately, the other guy is lost in his own fear. I’m pretty sure we are on a whole other level of economics that some people just can’t understand. There is a time for austerity and there is not a time for austerity…that time is not now. Go figure Biden, who is barely there, is going to go down as one of the best Presidents ever due to right place, right time. Kings of infrastructure always go down in history as great.

    Libturd says:
    April 12, 2021 at 1:05 pm
    Fantastic read on debt expansion over at Tangle. This was meant to only be for the paid subscribers (like me). But, was so popular on Friday that Saul has opened it up to the public. If you want to try to make the argument between austerity and printing till the cows come home, everything you need to know to make that decision is there. Even I learned a thing or two, and I have an economics minor. Enjoy.

    https://www.readtangle.com/p/does-the-debt-matter-noah-smith-brian-riedl

  54. Hold my beer says:

    Joyce

    I read or saw an interview where he admitted to starting low and raising the figures. He said something about psychologically he didn’t think people could handle the real number needed so he’s slowly s been increasing the percentage needed to reach herd immunity. Combine that with him admitting he told the public not to use masks to save them for healthcare workers. He’s really a political jack and not to be trusted

    I’d seen an Australian 60 minutes show on Wuhan and how they were in lockdown and wearing masks. That was before it broke out in New York . And then fauci announced we don’t need masks as New York City for lit up with cases. I couldn’t believe it. He’s really not to be trusted

  55. JCer says:

    ExEssex, stop trying to compare the US to European nations. They are tiny and largely homogenous, diversity can be a strength but also can be a huge handicap. The American diet is also a problem, if French, Spaniards, Greeks or Italians ate like Americans their health system would collapse. Europeans in general eat fewer calories, fewer carbs, less sugar, walk more and as a result are healthier despite their binge drinking and smoking….

    We can’t fix America’s health because everyone here has a good given right to be a lard A$$ and culturally that isn’t changing, a national healthcare system wouldn’t meaningfully improve our numbers, it will just pad the national debt even more.

  56. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Give me austerity in 2-3 years to cool this down, but not now. ESP in a period some liken to the 4th phase of the industrial revolution, now is now the time to cut off capital investment, but it is the time to increase it. God bless the fed for doing such a fantastic job. Do your job, and do it correctly.

  57. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Jcer,

    Wonder if these current generations of Americans are being sacrificed in the name of evolution. Future American generations are going to be the most adapt at living off synthetic junk food on this planet. Lol

  58. JCer says:

    Pumps Dr. Smith is “probably” right but the fear is rational. If the rest of the world loses confidence in the US we are sunk, the global strength of the dollar is the reason behind our prosperity. MMT, the printing, the debt, etc is fine until the rest of the world no longer wants dollars….

    Is it likely, no but then again if a decade ago you told me we’d have DJT as president followed by a 77 yr old Joe Biden, I’d would have said yeah right. How would those guys get elected, a windbag with no political experience and an old career politician known for being one of the dumbest senators to ever grace the capital.

  59. chicagofinance says:

    Keck up there is great. We stayed in Waimea. Such a great vacation. B&B in the hills it was misty and 65 degrees. Hang a right out of the driveway and coast down to the hill 10 minutes to the beach. 5 minutes from Mauna Kea beach suddenly the fog dissipates and it is 95 degrees. At night head up to Keck and it is 40 degrees.

    I’ve been to Keck, Santa Fe Ski in the summer, and other remote locations where the is no major background light.. Best night sky is Mt. Sinai, Egypt.

    Libturd says:
    April 12, 2021 at 6:50 pm
    Bystander,
    This is what I would do. I would get the United credit card from chase as well as the Marriott credit card when both run their insane promos. Put every single dime you spend on each of those two cards for three consecutive months each. By this winter, you’ll have enough points to both fly him and you to Hawaii direct in business class and stay in a fancy resort on the Big Island for 5 days. While there, take him on a tour of the Keck Observatory on top of Mauna Kea. Bring the telescope. You won’t believe what you can see with a zoom lense on a digital camera. With a crappy telescope, you can see the rings on Saturn up there. I am not into astronomy, but I almost got hooked going on a cheap tour of it. Heck, you don’t even need a telescope to see way more stars than you could ever imagine existed up there. It’s just incredible.

  60. chicagofinance says:

    Marriott hotel….. the best beach I’ve ever seen…… ridiculous…. always sunny and comfortable….. sand bar goes out several football fields…. constant waves that just roll across the sand bar and to the shore…. sunset every night…
    https://maunakeabeachhotel.com/?scid=bb1a189a-fec3-4d19-a255-54ba596febe2&y_source=1_MjgzOTYzNS03MTUtbG9jYXRpb24uZ29vZ2xlX3dlYnNpdGVfb3ZlcnJpZGU%3D

  61. ExEssex says:

    The weather out here is infectious, but I wonder aloud if we’ll be able to retire out here.
    Fact is that the cost of real estate in the coastal areas is high enough to make you nervous. As you head inland it gets hotter and more conservative.

  62. crushednjmillenial says:

    Joyce at 8:36 . . .

    Fauci moving the goalposts was a news story for a day or two in conservative media.

    Th Hill also covered it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDvCpygJqRU

  63. crushednjmillenial says:

    Bystander at 4:59 . . .

    Your child might enjoy the Crash Course Astronomy series free on youtube. It’s good content. Fascinating subject matter . . .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld75W1dz-h0

  64. The Great Pumpkin says:

    People laugh when I said I learned invaluable lessons on NHMD. It’s the truth. No 1 factor at play in a capitalist market…market psychology. “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”…sums it up perfectly. That’s the beauty of capitalist markets, for as irrational as they are, they are beautifully efficient in the long run. A bit ironic, don’t you think. Lol

    JCer says:
    April 12, 2021 at 9:00 pm
    Pumps Dr. Smith is “probably” right but the fear is rational. If the rest of the world loses confidence in the US we are sunk, the global strength of the dollar is the reason behind our prosperity. MMT, the printing, the debt, etc is fine until the rest of the world no longer wants dollars….

  65. chicagofinance says:

    leftwing says:
    April 12, 2021 at 1:55 pm
    Started reading the article Lib but after that setup in the intro I have to ask….

    Seems the boundaries for the argument regarding debt accumulation are ‘alarming’ and ‘almost certainly have time and warning before too dangerous’.

    xxx
    I would argue that the wall of debt will give us about this much warning….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q-S4R5oJzY

  66. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You def are lucky…I seriously wish I grew up on coastal Cali. Special place aka why prices are through the roof.

    I drove the entire pacific coast highway from Washington to the border of Mexico. Two separate trips. What a beautiful coastline.

    ExEssex says:
    April 12, 2021 at 9:15 pm
    The weather out here is infectious, but I wonder aloud if we’ll be able to retire out here.
    Fact is that the cost of real estate in the coastal areas is high enough to make you nervous. As you head inland it gets hotter and more conservative.

  67. ExEssex says:

    9:26 I gave up a lot to come out here, but I think in the long run it won’t matter.
    We all end up in the same place . Those coastal roads are gorgeous, but I find them somewhat nerve wracking to have your whole family in the car and you are one rock slide away from a perilous drop.

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Clowns; go hold back Ali baba.

    “China’s Message to America: We’re an Equal Now

    President Xi is confronting the Biden administration with a new world view, that Beijing’s decades of not challenging the U.S. as global leader are over”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/america-china-policy-biden-xi-11617896117?st=7pmo4dg2xxvjhc4&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  69. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So true. Adrenaline flying. I’m scared of heights, but love to push my fear. The roads and highways by Lake Tahoe are crazy. Even rt 80 out there is balls with those tractor trailers on those inclines.

    At the end of the day, you are doing something right living a part of your life out there in coastal southern cal. Props.

    ExEssex says:
    April 12, 2021 at 9:28 pm
    9:26 I gave up a lot to come out here, but I think in the long run it won’t matter.
    We all end up in the same place . Those coastal roads are gorgeous, but I find them somewhat nerve wracking to have your whole family in the car and you are one rock slide away from a perilous drop.

  70. The Great Pumpkin says:

    One of the legs of driving out there, went to Napa and Lake Tahoe. So that’s why I brought that up.

    Funny, when I was on the PCH right outside of sf…a bunch of cows were on the two lane rd at the top of the mountain with the cliff looking down. I’m like..why are cows up here?

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Speaking of cows. Road to Hana. Awesome burger I had out there. Wonder if it still exists. Went there on my honeymoon in 2009. Said I would be back in 10 years, but still haven’t returned. Hopefully, sooner than later.

  72. ExEssex says:

    9:38 Same! Meyers Grade Road. Google it. Cows resting on little bluffs with seaside views. They seem to be having their best life.

  73. Hold my beer says:

    Joyce

    Here’s one of the articles. Search for fauci moving goalposts and there will be lots of articles

    https://www.axios.com/fauci-goalposts-herd-immunity-c83c7500-d8f9-4960-a334-06cc03d9a220.html

  74. BRT says:

    JCer,

    my Pfizer vaccine worked just fine, presumably on the UK variant given that it made my kid sick. I was in the car with him and two other positive people when he was symptomatic. After that, I am 100% confident and don’t care anymore. In fact, when I was getting our three tests for my daughter at this crappy urgent care place, they stick all the people waiting for results in the same room. I did this three separate times with my loose cloth mask. It’s over for me. Ran through my whole family with no issues, everyone in my family is vaccinated. I’ll take a booster in sept if that’s what they want. I’ll wear a mask in situations that demand it, even though it’s pointless for me at this point.

    On Fauci, anyone who has an aging parent or grandparent knows that they yearn to still be useful. He’s going to try to hold on to his fame and do the talk show rounds as long as he can…not to inform the public of anything, but to feel important. He’s never really informed us much of anything anyway.

  75. BRT says:

    Given the US does not have a universal healthcare system like most high-income European countries, researchers also think access to healthcare and medicines is patchwork, a problem exacerbated by pronounced racial and socioeconomic disparities and the rural-urban divide.

    You are more likely to survive of cancer in the US than other countries. Asian Americans have a higher life expectancy in nearly every state in the US than the highest countries in the world like Hong Kong, Singapore, and Japan. America’s capitalist healthcare system is an economic engine of innovation. The rest of the world leeches off that. Meanwhile, Canada has 3% of it’s population vaccinated. Epic fail.

  76. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wild!

    The “best life.”

    ExEssex says:
    April 12, 2021 at 9:50 pm
    9:38 Same! Meyers Grade Road. Google it. Cows resting on little bluffs with seaside views. They seem to be having their best life.

  77. ExEssex says:

    A quick thumbnail of CA taxation.
    Crapshack near the ocean. Looks to be in the hands of a long time owner.
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1590-Manhattan-Ave-Grover-Beach-CA-93433/15435078_zpid/?utm_campaign=iosappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare

    Taxes are $522 a year. Once this sells the taxes for the new owner will reset at the current much higher rate.

  78. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I’m a fan of “Goonies.” That was awesome to see all the locations where it was filmed. Ate taco’s in Astoria. Had no idea how big that bridge is on that sound. Saw canon beach and the three stones in the pacific.

    Seeing the entire west coast from Canada to Mexico, it’a all beautiful (even with the oil rigs off the coast of southern Cali. Then again, that’s why the entire east coast is beautiful. Prob the best value on the entire east coast is Atlantic City. Ironic, don’t you think?

  79. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Like Phoenix bangs with a hammer…def of “first one’s in, last one’s out.”

    ExEssex says:
    April 12, 2021 at 10:07 pm
    A quick thumbnail of CA taxation.
    Crapshack near the ocean. Looks to be in the hands of a long time owner.

  80. BRT says:

    wtf, ARK space exploration 2nd biggest holding is ARK’s 3d printing ETF? That’s some Crazy Eddie type sh1t right there.

  81. ExEssex says:

    10:13 I’m partial to Rehoboth re: “E.Coast deals”

  82. The Great Pumpkin says:

    She knows 3D printing is the future; why do double the research. Just put in on her 3D printing etf for that space trend.

    BRT says:
    April 12, 2021 at 10:22 pm
    wtf, ARK space exploration 2nd biggest holding is ARK’s 3d printing ETF? That’s some Crazy Eddie type sh1t right there.

  83. leftwing says:

    Chi, yeah agree, the captain even has a passing resemblance to Jay Powell and I think I recognize a poster or two from here among the revelers lol.

    Too old to care, and I say that in a proactive, not worn out way. It’s not my world anymore, I just batten down my own hatches and make sure some very large well stocked lifeboats are reserved for my kids. Those that don’t care to listen until the bells sound…it will be like the scene in the Titanic with 12 people in a lifeboat built for 60 while everyone else is splashing around in the frozen Atlantic. Oops.

    Something was playing in the background on one of the financial stations today on stagflation…hard to explain some things, I’ll grant that to people who haven’t the experience…me, I’m old enough to remember the gas lines from the embargo, my parents making me put coffee back on the supermarket shelf because they couldn’t afford it (price had tripled), 15% mortgage rates, God only knows how many market booms and busts across too many asset classes to count (being stage right real time for many)…My role these days is to be prepared, not convince. If the wall of water never materializes we can all party on, if it does…..

  84. BRT says:

    She knows 3D printing is the future; why do double the research. Just put in on her 3D printing etf for that space trend.

    Oh, thanks for clarifying

  85. leftwing says:

    Bystander, keep one of these nearby…

    https://www.lightpollutionmap.info/#zoom=3.00&lat=40.5616&lon=-78.5881&layers=B0FFFFFFTFFFFFFFFFF

    A Hawaiian trip would be awesome but one-time and a big commitment obviously. We would on occasion slightly alter a domestic trip to take in opportunities, or chase something (last full eclipse, 2017 I believe) and plan a mini-vacation around that.

    As shown on the map not many options nearby. Closer to home we would make an annual trip to the Adirondacks, nearest dark space to NYC metro. If you’re so inclined lots of options there ranging from paddle-in campsites in the rough to places like the Sagamore (or better) with activities. Depends what you and your son would like…stay in a town for some activity (Placid for example) and a small road trip (hiking up a ‘peak’ and camping there for the night, pretty cool experience), full out wilderness, or in between (isolated but some comfort, Sagamore and such).

    We would also do small local stuff….as recently as last year (?) when he was home SpaceX was launching its first astronauts to the ISS…we watched the actual launch on TV in the afternoon and then drove a little west at night for some better darkness and vantage point….pretty cool even for my jaded self…caught two passes of the ISS with the capsule that we saw launch behind chasing it through the sky to hook up…ISS tracking software is out there, along with all the annual meteor showers….

    For me, it became more about the bonding…the dark areas in the ADK also have no cell coverage so I got a lot of one-on-one with my oldest, along with all the other participation with him on the smaller stuff, and the longer trips together.

    For him, astronomy moved into astrophotography which moved into data/CS and his major and career in software development. The amount of data and processing these ‘photos’ consume is extraordinary…Be warned, I knew the photography would be expensive but the hardware he needed to process the stuff was a surprise….nothing like unloading two backpacks of hardware worth a small used car from a rocking canoe in the pitch black after midnight onto a dangling rope ladder attached to a rock island in the middle of a lake because it is the best south facing point lol.

  86. Phoenix says:

    Bystander and LW,

    Should this re-open, its a good experience.

    http://www.njaa.org/

  87. grim says:

    About 10 years back we stayed at the Hyatt in Maui – they have a house astronomer and a nice little telescope (16″ Cassegrain) setup on the roof. Even in the resort area of Maui, it was mind-blowing in comparison to New Jersey.

  88. grim says:

    Wow, J&J vaccine halted.

    Wonder if the CDC had been considering this for more than a week – with this being the reason for the sharp drop off in allocation of J&J this week.

  89. leftwing says:

    Phoenix, thanks for that find. I criticize this State enough, there are some neat things and a rich history. 99% of its residents just don’t care about them though lol.

    Grim, yeah, I’m still amazed at the nighttime naked sky in these dark areas. Hitting a wide open lake in the pitch black with the full ‘dome’ of the sky overhead and to the horizon is special. Fun exercise, if you’re anywhere without light pollution…even with a ‘regular’ camera/lens you can toss it on a tripod for about 16 seconds or less with the shutter open. A whole different level of what’s out there as that captures objects just below naked eye visibility. The timeframe is key, anything over that c. 16 seconds is too long as the earth rotates enough to blur the image.

  90. grim says:

    Seeing the Milky Way run horizon to horizon on a moonless night is a pretty amazing thing.

  91. leftwing says:

    Gottlieb just coming on cnbc for anyone interested

  92. Juice Box says:

    J&J vaccine paused 220 thousand doses given out in NJ.

    For comparison Pfizer 2.8 Million and Moderna 2.4 Million

    This is only going to fuel the anti-vax people. Especially since this vaccine is nearly the same as the AstraZenaca/Oxford vaccine with similar rare clotting issues. It is made with a chimpanzee virus with modified DNA.

    BTW they are testing the same messenger RNA (mRNA) approach used for the highly effective Pfizer-​BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines on other viruses.

    Right now the Phase 1 Moderna trial for HIV shows a similar 97% effective vaccination rate. This is HIV a game changer for many people who are at risk.

  93. BRT says:

    https://nypost.com/2021/04/12/nyc-man-tests-positive-for-covid-two-weeks-after-jj-vaccine/

    Wtf, with a 67% effectiveness on preventing infection, this is not front page news.

  94. grim says:

    There is some preliminary research that is indicating that the covid spike protein is responsible for both the clotting seen in COVID-19 patients, as well those who received vaccines.

    It may very well be a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario – until we can figure out if we can create a protein similar enough to invoke an effective immune defense, without the clotting impact.

  95. Hold my beer says:

    BRT

    That’s what I thought too. Man going on ventilator 3 weeks after vaccination would be news.

  96. Juice Box says:

    Speaking of stargazing if you want to feel old, the Hubble space telescope is headed for it’s 30th anniversary on April 24th, it was originally planned beginning in 1972. It is bulky and orbits at 340 miles up and has had five repair and upgrade missions with the last in 2009. Repairs can no longer be done because we no longer have a space shuttle. It is expected to last perhaps another twenty years.

    The next generation James Webb space telescope is set to be launched later this year. Plan is to orbit it nearly a million miles away around the sun but synchronized with the earth’s orbit to keep it aligned for radio transmissions of data etc. It does not have a single large (defective) mirror like Hubble but has a set of 18 beryllium mirrors that will fold out to create a large 6.5-meter mirror, larger that what could fit on a space x or other rocket. It has cost approx 10 Billion to build has allot of moving parts including 126 motors to align things and will be launched in South America at the French Guiana launch site by the Europeans on an Airbus Ariane 5 rocket. That rocket has had 109 launches with only 2 failures and 3 partial failures so chances are it will make it to it’s 930,000 mile orbit around the Sun on it’s launch date on Halloween. It should provide some spectacular pictures of deep space as it is 100 times more powerful than Hubble and has 15x the mirror size.

  97. leftwing says:

    “Wtf, with a 67% effectiveness on preventing infection, this is not front page news.”

    MSM is so bad it’s like a root canal….

    I’ve entirely stopped watching with all the sensationalism around children/young adult infection rates ramping…….seriously WTF do you expect when vaccines were rolled out by age with literally 95%+ of those 65 or older now either vaccinated, dead, or naturally immune while kids were specifically last in line and prohibited from getting vaccinated for the last four months?

    Isn’t the shift in virus prevalence to young adults a headline equivalent of “Rain Falls to the Ground”?

  98. Hold my beer says:

    Who wants 12k plus more incentives to move to West Virginia!

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/west-virginia-will-now-give-you-12000-to-move-to-its-state-and-work-remotely-165421688.html

    If you are single and love the outdoors this could be tempting. Not sure how many people want to relocate and their kids in West Virginia. I’ve been there a few times. Amazing how many people there look like the odd people in people of Walmart.

  99. Juice Box says:

    If it is the spike protein that is affecting platelets in some Covid-19 infected patients and some vaccine recipients the risk should be much much lower from a vaccine than getting the virus itself due to dosage amount you are getting. Each does of Moderna is 100 micrograms, each dose of Pfizer is 30 micrograms. I am not sure about J&J but it has to be similar. The full blow virus when it is in your system and replicating infects millions upon of cells.

    They should be able to eventually create a quick sensitivity blood test for this rare clotting issue to screen for it.

  100. Juice Box says:

    Beer- It’s too late the locals have already priced their homes accordingly for the mad rush of New Yawkers moving to West Virginia.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2046-Road-Run-Rd-Saint-Marys-WV-26170/250654751_zpid/

    Bonus is the house…not the 500 acres. Taxes are $400 a year!

  101. Grim says:

    Beyond my pay grade, but it seemed like the spike protein was interacting with blood vessel walls to trigger clotting.

    Given the similarities in vaccines – suspect we will see flags raised on some of the others as well.

    Oxford and J&J seem to cause clotting, along with the virus itself.

  102. Bystander says:

    Thanks Lib and all. I still have 125K miles from that BA Avios deal a few years back. Was going to try last year. My wife’s family is in Cali so probably a two stop trip. I think it will be better to wait when he is 7 or 8 to do Keck. I have never been to Hawaii so top of the list.

  103. Juice Box says:

    One cuprit was already identified last year, it’s an an autoimmune antibody that is created in response the the virus and the vaccine. It attacks infected platelet cells and causes clotting. The immune system reaction to the virus can even causes some kind of “exploding” white blood cells.

    Supposedly they now filter your blood plasma for this antibody to remove it as a treatment. Sounds like fun, having your blood drained and replaced perhaps more than once.

  104. Hold my beer says:

    National review is not a fauci fan

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/anthony-fauci-worn-welcome-103044751.html

    I can see elderly and people with comorbidites still being cautious after fully vaccinated, and wear masks when they go out and adopt a wait and see approach to travel and eating in a restaurant. But why can’t healthy vaccinated young adults go about their lives like it’s pre covid as long as they aren’t living with a high risk person?

  105. Fast Eddie says:

    Pictures of WV look beautiful but what else or where else is there? Ask yourself what would you miss by moving to a more populated suburb or so and not necessarily in the deep woods? A compromise of sorts. What do you do in your daily life now that you’d be missing if you moved to WV? Personally, I become more nauseous by the day as the woke, cancel culture, all-inclusive, diversity-seeking little cunts nip away at the fabric of my country. The loss of our national sovereignty and classical identity is accelerating. More and more I wish I could move to an area of the country that holds the same ideals and values that made this country great.

    The so-called red states are now turning purple and in another presidential cycle or two will be blue. This is the intent of the progressive movement, fueled by the fake media cheerleaders as they hold the door open to illegal immigration. It’s not about compassion and sympathy, it’s about flooding areas that had political balance, erasing opposing views and giving democrats a path to more power. I think we’re beyond reversing the trend and returning to our glory that was our nation. I digress. My point is that nowhere seems to be certain when the desire is to live among those with similar values. When West Virginia was mentioned, it made me think again of places that still believe in the true spirit of our country.

  106. Juice Box says:

    Anecdotal both of my in-laws had the J&J vaccine last month. No issue with clotting or cravings for bananas. Both are on blood pressure meds, standard these days for older folks. I would suspect the meds older folks take today may prevent clotting if you are sensitive to the vaccine. It would also explain why the vaccine caused clotting is mostly seen in younger folks from the news reports, they are NOT hopped up on the finest blood meds that science has provided us to keep us from our final dirt nap.

    Anecdotal again, a friends son who is 29 years old got Covid last year, very fit person marathons and constantly working out. He developed a clot that was causing blindness. They had to go in and to clear the blockage. He now has partial sight in one eye as the lack of oxygen kills the nerve cells. There are countless horror stories of blood clotting caused by Covid-19. I would think taking chances with the vaccine would be preferred even the J&J or AstraZeneca one.

  107. Fast Eddie says:

    Food, lumber, energy, housing, cars… come on man! What’s the plan, dementia Joe?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/us-consumer-prices-jump-fastest-pace-2009-energy-costs-surge

  108. Juice Box says:

    I never saw Fauci as an effective spokesperson, he has made mistakes and told some whoppers like we did not need to wear masks (when we did, even homemade ones). The media put the spot light on him because he was a bit of a anti-trump at the time. They were even selling “In Fauci We Trust” t-shirts and other junk. There is even a Dr. Fauci bobblehead. Same was done with Dr. Birx as well to a degree anything they said was used to write a negative Trump story. Fact is Trump let them speak, he put them out there, he shared the spotlight with them perhaps to his own political detriment.

    Trump is gone now, they still stalk his every golf game and the media keeps trying to drag him and anyone that was in his orbit back into the spotlight for views and clicks. They need to move on as their ratings will only continue to decline.

  109. Hold my beer says:

    Fast

    West Virginia would be a great place for people who are into fishing, mountain sports, kayaking, bike riding and don’t need an hmart or blue ribbon schools.

  110. Chicago says:

    This technology has been around for decades. Keith Richards looks better than a c0ckroach.

    Juice Box says:
    April 13, 2021 at 9:28 am
    One cuprit was already identified last year, it’s an an autoimmune antibody that is created in response the the virus and the vaccine. It attacks infected platelet cells and causes clotting. The immune system reaction to the virus can even causes some kind of “exploding” white blood cells.

    Supposedly they now filter your blood plasma for this antibody to remove it as a treatment. Sounds like fun, having your blood drained and replaced perhaps more than once

  111. Juice Box says:

    Chi – I thought he went to china and got new kidneys every few years?

  112. Juice Box says:

    Beer – if Eddie see’s a squirrel in his yard do you think he wants to eat it? In many of these rural areas it’s part of the diet along with delicacies like racoon. They even have a hunting season for squirrel in West Virginia, and I kid you not it is so they can eat through the winter.

    Here is Eddie at the local diner in West Virginia trying out a local delicacy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNUbwijCKfw

  113. Juice Box says:

    Joyce the low information voter would have picked Bernie on that ballot because he was in the D column, as in D for Democrat.

    To make a ballot fair they should remove the party affiliation and draw the names in a hat and list them according to the results.

    Too bad politics like much in life is not fair.

  114. Hold my beer says:

    Juice

    Squirrel brains with scrambled eggs is a delicacy there.

    Maybe Fast would enjoy living in a college town in WV and being close to the great outdoors.

  115. Fast Eddie says:

    Does squirrel taste like chicken?

  116. joyce says:


    To make a ballot fair they should remove the party affiliation and draw the names in a hat and list them according to the results.

    Agreed. No party affiliations, no short phrase, key words or sentence … just names and draw them out of hat.

  117. Juice Box says:

    Joyce we have the system today because of reforms which ended vote buying for example.

    Some History.

    https://ivn.us/2015/07/30/story-behind-pay-party-primaries

  118. leftwing says:

    “But why can’t healthy vaccinated young adults go about their lives like it’s pre covid as long as they aren’t living with a high risk person?”

    Why just the young HMB? And why with the qualifiers?

    If I am healthy and unvaccinated why am I specifically prevented from making my own decision about the risk to my individual well-being and what level of that risk is acceptable to me?

    As I said last April, this is the first time that quarantine has involved locking in HEALTHY people, not the diseased or vulnerable.

    The only reasonable retort is that the actions of the unaffected harm the vulnerable…which is not the case as anyone vulnerable (or fearful of being vulnerable) can simply just isolate themselves.

    Which is the actual definition of quarantine……isolating those diseased.

    We were sold lockdowns to “flatten the curve”, ie. specifically to keep the hospitalization rate below capacity to minimize (not eliminate) the death rate.

    Somehow that morphed from managing the death rate into total eradication of any trace of the disease among the entire population.

    Fcuking ridiculous.

  119. leftwing says:

    from juice’s article

    “…..whereby public funds are used to administer primary elections that in some states bar participation by unaffiliated voters.”

    SUPPPPRRRRRESSSSSSSSIIIOOOOONNNNN!!!!

    Quick someone call MLB, Delta, and Coke before they get beat to the virtue signaling.

  120. Nomad says:

    If you can’t make it out to Hawaii, 45 min or so outside of Tucson, Kitt Peak has a large collection of Telescopes. Currently closed – COVID. Cool pics on link below.

    https://visitkittpeak.org/image-gallery/

    Years ago, had the highest # of clear nights of any place in country. Probably no longer.

  121. chicagofinance says:

    This wright thing is a pile of crap…… the police officer fcuked up lethally; should have her badge pulled, but it is stupid to believe it was on purpose given the Floyd trial. That said, is it ridiculous to think that this fcuk up wouldn’t have occurred if the prick didn’t attempt to flee in the process of being cuffed. When he already on record of having flown in the past. The family will get a nice check and everyone else need to STFU. The cop should get involuntary manslaughter, but it didn’t need to happen if the prick simply complied. The argument shouldn’t be about the officer’s training. It should be about the family, friends, mentors and community around the boy you set him up to make a lethal mistake.

    xxxxxx

    Mason remembered a Wright as a charming young man to whom he became closely attached. “I just loved his personality,” he said. “He was someone who had a future. Daunte was funny, he was lively,” the youth mentor said, adding that he recalled Wright hoped to own a business one day.
    xxxxxx

    Court records indicate that a judge issued a warrant for Mr. Wright earlier this month after he missed a court appearance. He was facing two misdemeanor charges after the Minneapolis police said he had carried a pistol without a permit and had run from officers last June.

    “So there was a contact that the officer went up there initially for attained his ID or his drivers name. And he walked back to his car and at that time he ran his name and he found out that he had a warrant. That’s why they removed him from the car and they were making a custodial arrest.”
    xxxxx
    The man, Daunte Wright, 20, who died Sunday after a run-in with police in a suburb of Minneapolis, was driving an SUV with expired license plates, and he also ran afoul of a Minnesota law that prohibits motorists from hanging air fresheners and other items from their rearview mirrors.
    xxxxxxx
    “He was pulled over for having an expired registration on the vehicle,” Brooklyn Center Police Chief Tim Gannon said Monday. “When the officer went over, an item hanging from the rearview mirror was spotted.”

    xxxxxxxx
    Studies have found that Black drivers are far more likely to be stopped by police than white drivers are. Not only that, but once they are stopped, Black people are searched nearly twice as often as white drivers, and the searches are less likely to yield illegal drugs and other contraband than searches of white drivers.

    Brooklyn Center Mayor Mike Elliott, who is Black, said the shooting of Wright was “heartbreaking, unfathomable.”

    “Our hearts are aching right now, we are in pain right now, and we recognize this couldn’t happen at a worse time right now,” he said.

    Elliott appeared on NBC’s “TODAY” show on Tuesday.

    “In this country, if you’re black and you get pulled over by the police, you have a very much higher chance of being dead just because you’re black, and just because you’re encountering police,” he said. “That is a fact we have to all wrestle with.”

  122. Libturd says:

    Left and others,

    My company prints lots of ballots. We do most of California’s. Be careful with how far you want to take ballot fairness. Eventually, the costs become insane. In Los Angeles and LA County, not only do they print the ballots with the candidates in random order, they also print the ballots in nine different languages. Within each of those languages, they also print the ballots with the candidates in random order. So by the time we are done worrying about fairness, there are hundreds upon hundreds of versions of what is essentially the same ballot. Just in different orders and in different languages. Then, the election board must send the correct ballots to the correct addresses. In most of California, they also produce voting guides to go with the sample ballots. These too, require the same multi-language, multi-version song and dance. When it’s over, it’s extremely costly to the taxpayer and extremely lucrative to my company.

    What this country needs is election reform. Let it be run by Equifax or similar. They could probably do it for a quarter the cost with extremely high levels of accuracy with less avenues for fraud.

  123. Juice Box says:

    Chi – Both the officers screwed up in arresting him.

    The first male officer was in the middle of cuffing him and he let his grip on him go to do the typical cop crap and argue with the suspect “I did not do nothing, “you did not do nothing?”. Instead of securing him the arresting cop stopped, he was a second away from having Daunte Wright cuffed and secured. He let off his grip and in the middle off cuffing him to argue FOR NO REASON and when the white woman officer did not grab Daunte firmly either. Then they both screwed up by letting him get in the car, and then the fatal screw up.

    Watch from 28 seconds.. turn the volume up so you can hear the conversation. Bad policing, you are cuffed then told why. Don’t stop to argue they were all trained on this for sure, you don’t give them any chance.

    https://youtu.be/BZB6wi-5Vvk?t=28

  124. Juice Box says:

    Lib it amazes me today that commercial printing still exists. Many predicted the end of printed paper.

    Perhaps when the aliens arrive this year for first contact they will tell us we must stop wasting wood, cotton, rice, and other stuff on printed paper.

  125. Libturd says:

    I’m amazed too.

  126. Glen says:

    got my 1st shot at the rockaway mall this morning, seemed to be a well-running machine

  127. ExEssex says:

    9:40 the irony is that most people there would hate you. You would be just another “Yankee” .

  128. joyce says:

    but it didn’t need to happen if the prick simply complied.

    and if no one broke the law we wouldnt need police

  129. Libturd says:

    Chi,

    I used to think like you. Especially back in the Rodney King days. Always, the murdered or beaten black man would have been fine if he didn’t have priors or didn’t resist arrest. But then the evidence I witnessed, from Louima (the ass plunged Haitian), the innocent Central Park rapists and especially the Jeter case right here in Bloomfield changed my mind. If you are black, you better avoid getting arrested. For if you don’t, who knows what’s going to happen to you. Though I wish this systemic issue did not exist. It clearly does. J&J just halted all use of their vaccine after 6 adverse cases out of millions. Yet black men keep getting murdered by the cops and even after wrecking our cities to get attention, they keep getting murdered.

    Yeah, wouldn’t it be beautiful if they performed non-violent acts, like kneeling during the National Anthem, to bring attention to their treatment in this country. Oh wait.

  130. ExEssex says:

    Many kids are essentially color blind. I loved how integrated WO was but the white kids mostly evacuated once middle & high school came. Why?

  131. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Sad, but true…

    ExEssex says:
    April 13, 2021 at 12:32 pm
    Many kids are essentially color blind. I loved how integrated WO was but the white kids mostly evacuated once middle & high school came. Why?

  132. Juice Box says:

    Lib – All this nonsense. The media inlames this as was driving while black. It was a black police officer that pulled him over and attempted to take him into custody.

    The police use automated plate readers that shows the registration on all car passing by, Daunte’s car hit on an expired registration, there was no profiling. The ensuing stop for paperwork check, license insurance, registration showed there was a warrant for failure to appear in court issued by a Judge.

    It was a colossal f*uc*k up by the police with his killing for sure, but the stop by a black police officer was not because of some bullshit airfreshner. It did not exist or was taken down.

    https://twitter.com/StanleyRoberts/status/1381737140418093056/photo/1

    Media is not yet accusing the black officer of a crime, but it was his f*u*ck up during the arrest, that led to the shooting.

  133. Bystander says:

    Juice,

    I go out of my way to not click on Trump article. Thankfully, they are becoming fewer. Media click baters are most interested in orange peanut gallery left behind like creepy Gaetz, Lauren Bobblehead and Marjorie ‘Taylor Ham Brain’ Greene.

    On squirrels, I never knew people ate them until about 30. My old manager, a gay guy from Indiana, told us his father would trap and eat them. We laughed..he was not kidding. I have family friends from Sussex County. Guy hunts and brought some delicious venison chili to my kids birthday with about 6 families of Fairfield County snoots (from my kids class). He was kind enough to put note on it. It went untouched except by me and two other guys. Told him that he should have used French name and crock would have been empty. One of the things I hate about NYC suburbs.

  134. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    What’s sad, if this officer was white, they would be charged with hate crimes for being racist. Sad truth.

  135. Juice Box says:

    BTW – police body cams are coming to New Jersey. better tell your local politicians to get more insurance against police malfeasance. NJ cops have been know to have lots of roid raging power trips against the fine citizens of our garden state.

  136. The Great Pumpkin says:

    For Joyce.

    “Former Jersey City Police Chief Michael Kelly, who retired effective as of Feb. 1st, earned a $282,779.58 payout for unused time, according to public records.”

  137. Libturd says:

    “It was a colossal f*uc*k up by the police with his killing for sure”

    Blacks are three times as likely as whites to be killed by cops.

    Why?

  138. Juice Box says:

    Lib – American Indian women are more likely to be killed by police than Black women. Why is that? You are asking a question that goes deeper than skin pigmentation.

    I am all for no police stops of vehicles for simple things like insurance and registration. That can all be done electronically, mail the ticket etc.

    Less interaction with the police they better.

    Bill O’Reilly’s book on the subject 20+ years ago was a real eye opener. Don’t talk to the police etc.

  139. ExEssex says:

    Why?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g37YqLD0BSg

    The above explains it very well.

  140. chicagofinance says:

    Learned me something…… (we are so fcuked)
    As for Mr. Buttigieg’s racist highways, he is simply repeating an old progressive article of faith. As Steven Malanga explains in the Autumn 2020 issue of City Journal, these critics believe that the rise of the interstate highway system “prompted ‘white flight’ to the suburbs, while stranding poor minorities in urban neighborhoods disfigured by the highways that bisected them.”

    Some now want these highways torn down. Mr. Malanga wonders whether federal highways will soon take their place alongside Confederate generals targeted for destruction by mobs.

  141. ExEssex says:

    In LA entire swaths of existing neighborhoods were demolished to make way for the HWY system.

    And now this: The Bruces tried to fight the move in court, but in 1929, they lost the battle. They were paid only a fraction of the land’s value at the time and were denied the ability to build untold generational wealth for their descendants.

    The city, meanwhile, allowed the land to remain vacant for decades.

  142. chicagofinance says:

    You are focusing on something without any context.

    Libturd says:
    April 13, 2021 at 12:26 pm
    Yet black men keep getting murdered by the cops and even after wrecking our cities to get attention, they keep getting murdered.

  143. Libturd says:

    I disagree here Chi.

    I know you made it on your own. So you probably feel everyone can. I fall into that trap as well sometimes. I’ve been told this by multiple peers and mentors over my life. My biggest shortfall is believing that everyone has the capability to be as smart as I am. Yeah, it sounds horribly precocious. It took me most of my life to realize that they were right. You don’t have to agree. Just stomp twice if you do. :P Gotta go pickup the kid.

  144. crushednjmillenial says:

    Police shooting of unarmed black men in the US . . .

    This issue receives disproportionate coverage in the media and general public discourse. I’ve seen statistics that state that it is less than 1,000 people in total are killed by police in the US each year.

    Each death is, of course, a tragedy, but this is a small number of people compared to overall deaths and even violent deaths. 2.5m total deaths in the US each year.
    70,000+ people die each year from overdose in the US. 15,000+ people die from homicides.

    No one is marching against the millions of life years that are being snuffed out by the meat, sugar and sedentary lifestyle industries.

    On overdoses, there is no rioting or massive protests advocating for drug legalization or at least more compassionate processing of drug adicts. In my opinion, legal safe and orderly drug distribution cuts overdose deaths down by orders of magnitude.

    On homicides, probably 75%+ of homicides are either directly or tangentially caused by the illicit drug trade. While there has been a massive social movement in legalizing marijuana, there has not been one for other drugs in spite of the example of prohibition birthing American organized crime.

    Sure, there is a visceral reaction to bad video footage related to police use of force. However, this issue of police killings (and, in general, many related to racial equity) just speak to me as the American public is very bad at both statistics and looking at the big picture. Of course, the media, politicians and twitterati throw gas on the fire.

  145. Bystander says:

    You live in a country where AR15 armed, teenager Kyle Bronson gets pat on back and provided water by police to essentially kill people at a protest. Meanwhile, the 4th ranked black tennis player gets thrown to ground by police for standing around looking black. The officer got a five day vacation, never apologized and sued Blake for defamation. There you go..

  146. Libturd says:

    crushednjmillenial:

    Overdoses, car accidents, diabetes, drug trade. These are all things which you are in control of your destiny. You choose to do drugs. You choose to drive like a moron (in most cases), you choose to eat like a pig, you choose to involve yourself in the lucrative drug trade. As a black man, you don’t have the choice of a good cop or a bad cop. As a white guy, you do.

    This is not about media coverage. This is about cops repeatedly using force when it is not necessary. This was not a dangerous man, nor was we harming anyone or even threatening the police. Yes there are tons of homicides, suicides and accidental shootings every year. When they occur the shooter is held responsible. Unless the shooter is a cop. It doesn’t matter though. It’s obvious that this is not a priority. The next riot will be that much larger. And I will continue to say it’s justified. That’s the context.

  147. Fast Eddie says:

    Lib,

    So, what’s the solution?

  148. joyce says:

    I agree with this comment and I agree the marching/protesting/rioting seems to be focus only on the racial aspect. I support criminal justice reform not because of real or perceived racial issues but because the criminal justice system is broken from top to bottom.

    crushednjmillenial says:
    April 13, 2021 at 1:57 pm

    Sure, there is a visceral reaction to bad video footage related to police use of force. However, this issue of police killings (and, in general, many related to racial equity) just speak to me as the American public is very bad at both statistics and looking at the big picture. Of course, the media, politicians and twitterati throw gas on the fire.

  149. Libturd says:

    Joyce nails the solution. The criminal justice system is in complete disrepair. Especially when it comes to the rights of public workers.

  150. Libturd says:

    And yes. The public is statistically blind. I point this out all of the time. It’s the same reason when everyone was afraid to fly after 911, I wisely flew everywhere, in business class, for less than the price of main.

  151. Fabius Maximus says:

    ” what’s the solution?” First acknowledge there is an actual problem.

    Saw this one from your own back yard. In too many cases the skin color changes the outcome of encounters like these.
    https://dailyvoice.com/new-jersey/northernvalley/news/police-shirtless-swordsman-wrapped-in-american-flag-captured-after-pursuit-through-bergen-park/806861/

  152. Fast Eddie says:

    Criminal justice reform is the solution. Anything else or just reform?

  153. Fabius Maximus says:

    If you need a good telescope, these are on backorder, but worth the wait.

    https://shop.astronomerswithoutborders.org/products/awb-onesky-reflector-telescope

    Also check out Rockland Astronomy Club. They held their big event last weekend. It was virtual, but it is the the biggest event on the east coast. They had Brian May doing the Keynote a few years back. They run overnights in a state park in Ringwood and up by Kingston.

  154. leftwing says:

    Lib, you’ve crossed some kind of Rubicon on the race issue and really aren’t open to seeing any alternative view.

    Are there deviants in our society? Absolutely. Infanticide, patricide, mass shooters, spouse killings all exist. And will. They are not going to zero.

    Do some of these deviants carry badges and are they racist? Yup. They exist. And it won’t ever go to zero.

    The system generally works as it should and when it doesn’t there are remedies. Fcuking comply. That is the starting point. Live, so the system can work.

    Show me a count of how many black deaths by police officer exist where the suspect did not resist. Simply complied. I don’t know the number but am certain it is fewer than the 21 police officers murdered in the line of duty so far this year.

    You reach back to Louima, a 20 year old case. He complied, and was horribly assaulted. While I wouldn’t want to suffer what he did in custody he was awarded $9m for his suffering and one of his assailants is still serving out his 30 year prison term. Not going to zero, but when it didn’t the system worked.

    Floyd…..had he complied we would not be here. Chauvin, once Floyd was in custody needed to cease. He didn’t. He will go to jail, and the Floyd family was awarded $27m for Chauvin’s lack of judgment. Doesn’t bring back your son (as complying would have), but for Chauvin’s transgression the system will work.

    The Marine in VA? He complied. Horribly assaulted with pepper spray. Hurts like hell, but pretty minor in the scheme of things. I certainly wouldn’t want it to happen to me. He’s alive. And his perpetrator is fired, and he will be awarded seven figures for his pain and suffering. Not going to zero but when it didn’t, the system will work.

    “If you are black, you better avoid getting arrested.”

    Horrible advice. You are virtually assuring (justified) violence against yourself and exponentially increasing the odds of a tragic outcome.

    “Blacks are three times as likely as whites to be killed by cops.”

    Bullsh1t. Show me the underlying data. I will bet you my portfolio it is intellectually fraudulent, taking total deaths and dividing by total arrests by race without normalizing for any other factors.

  155. Libturd says:

    Here’s my data.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/latest-research-tells-us-racial-bias-policing/story?id=70994421

    Interesting how when police departments were asked to opt in on reporting their data, only 40% of them were willing to. Very interesting. Very damning. Very America.

  156. crushednjmillenial says:

    Lib at 3:26 . . .

    On being “in control of your destiny” . . . Eric Garner, George Floyd, Laquan McDonald, Michael Brown and Daunte Wright. That guy at the Wendy’s in Georgia. All controlling their destiny by either resisting, struggling, or not properly complying with police directions. Lots of unjustified killings in there, but not in one of these was there perfect behavior by the dead man.

    It might not be right, but when I get pulled over, I hold onto my steering wheel with all the windows open and the car turned off. My car, my police record, etc. probably doesn’t necessitate this, but I am aware that police officers can shoot someone for making furtive movements so why would I play with fire? I try as best as possible to make the encounter as safe as possible for the officer.

    I don’t understand why Daunte Wright struggled. Obviously, the officer is terrible for improperly shooting him, but the leftist media and civil rights activitists never, ever take a moment to say “public service announcement: police are dangerous, therefore you need to be very careful in how you interact with them. Don’t ever, ever do what Daunte Wright did.” If Reverend Al wants to save young black lives, this kind of message probably goes farther than so much marching and picketing.

  157. No One says:

    I think it’s super weird that NYC leftists want to increase regulation on virtually all industries, and sometimes want a total government takeover. Yet when it comes to NYC Street vendors, they are suddenly “laissez-faire” because immigrants shouldn’t have to follow any rules.
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/nyc-elections-2021/ny-nyc-mayoral-race-andrew-yang-street-vendors-20210412-bqf2vsmuobavrczf4di6drtrem-story.html

  158. Libturd says:

    This is not a right/left thing.

    This is about racist cops! Explain the no-knock warrant shooting of Bryanna Taylor. What did she do?

    Yeah, some of these blacks are resisting arrest, so they do not end up dead. Some of them still do either way. Here’s the context. NOTHING IS BEING DONE so fcuk them! I get it. It’s very hard to understand. I know. I didn’t first get it until I was in college. It really didn’t hit home, until about the time I lived in Los Angeles. Force is being used when it shouldn’t be. More often when a white cop is applying it than a black cop. More often on black victims than white ones. This is statistically proven.

  159. leftwing says:

    “As a black man, you don’t have the choice of a good cop or a bad cop. As a white guy, you do.”

    As stated, you’ve crossed into some area of no return on race. Exhibit A above.

    C’mon Lib, wtf does that even MEAN?

  160. Libturd says:

    White or black. You have the right to resist arrest for a misdemeanor. The consequences should not be murder. Or are you good with being forced to wear a mask or take a vaccine? Cause if you resist, I’m gonna cap ya. Especially if you are black.

    Starting to get it? Nah. It’s hard, when coming from the position of privilege.

  161. No One says:

    Ok Libturd, look at this quote and show me that you are smart enough to identify the massively important piece of information that was left out of it:
    “Roughly 1,000 people are shot to death by police officers every year, and after analyzing those deaths, Miller and his co-authors found that black Americans were twice as likely to be shot and killed by police officers, compared with their representation in the population.”

  162. Libturd says:

    Leftwing. In my town, DWB is a “real” thing. Racial profiling is in use here. Why? A lot of the crime we have in town comes from neighboring residents of Bloomfield and East Orange. The problem with it is, it’s not fair to black residents in town nor is it fair to white residents in town who are not subject to it. There was a case last year where a resident of a home was asked to show their ID to prove that their home was theirs when a neighbor called and assumed the house was getting robbed. This is totally fcuked up. This is racism. It’s alive and well. And for whatever reason, the police force seems to attract them.

  163. joyce says:

    I will only speak for myself. Who cares about perfect behavior? This should not be the standard. Police are dangerous so be careful? Why can’t police be careful as well? Regarding Daunte Wright, he was pulled over legitimately. He deserves a ticket. It was determined he had outstanding warrants… okay arrest him. He struggled (resisting arrest); he should be punished for that. He fled, another criminal offense; he should receive additional punishment for that. None of the punishments should include death. He should be in jail and so should the officer for negligent discharge and some form of manslaughter. Ignore the race hustlers. The perpetrator/victim made mistakes including crimes, he should be punished and put in jail… not killed. The police made mistakes including crimes, she should be punished and put in jail.

    crushednjmillenial says:
    April 13, 2021 at 3:58 pm
    Lib at 3:26 . . .

    On being “in control of your destiny” . . . Eric Garner, George Floyd, Laquan McDonald, Michael Brown and Daunte Wright. That guy at the Wendy’s in Georgia. All controlling their destiny by either resisting, struggling, or not properly complying with police directions. Lots of unjustified killings in there, but not in one of these was there perfect behavior by the dead man.

    It might not be right, but when I get pulled over, I hold onto my steering wheel with all the windows open and the car turned off. My car, my police record, etc. probably doesn’t necessitate this, but I am aware that police officers can shoot someone for making furtive movements so why would I play with fire? I try as best as possible to make the encounter as safe as possible for the officer.

    I don’t understand why Daunte Wright struggled. Obviously, the officer is terrible for improperly shooting him, but the leftist media and civil rights activitists never, ever take a moment to say “public service announcement: police are dangerous, therefore you need to be very careful in how you interact with them. Don’t ever, ever do what Daunte Wright did.” If Reverend Al wants to save young black lives, this kind of message probably goes farther than so much marching and picketing.

  164. leftwing says:

    Jesus Christ Lib, exactly what I said….

    Shooting by race divided by racial population in the US.

    I said it would be intellectually lazy….This is so far from from any kind of academic rigor and statistical significance it’s in a 40 year coma.

    Under this methodology one could prove every Naz1 piece of antisemitic propaganda about wealth, power, and education.

    C’mon……

    “Roughly 1,000 people are shot to death by police officers every year, and after analyzing those deaths, Miller and his co-authors found that black Americans were twice as likely to be shot and killed by police officers, compared with their representation in the population.”

  165. Libturd says:

    Obviously, percentage of population is not a good measuring stick. But if Blacks or more likely to be stopped than whites, than it’s a moot point. And they are. Though, America is only 52% white. In another lifetime, we will be the minority here. I wonder if we’ll be profiled then?

  166. Libturd says:

    leftwing,

    If your son stupidly resisted arrest due to a bench warrant for smoking weed and getting caught with an unregistered weapon and was shot dead for it. You would be okay with it since your kid shouldn’t have resisted arrest?

  167. leftwing says:

    “You have the right to resist arrest for a misdemeanor.”

    For someone who makes good money by essential taking smart tradeoffs in situations where the probability of a positive return is in your favor….how can you even think the above?

    Exhibit B.

    Love ya brother

  168. Libturd says:

    Cops can not play executioner. Unless you are cool with a Tijuana justice system.

    Exhibit C.

  169. leftwing says:

    “Leftwing. In my town, DWB is a “real” thing. Racial profiling is in use here.”

    Totally agree. And I’ve already stipulated that racism exists and exists with persons in our society entrusted with badges and guns and expected to be equitable and lawful.

  170. leftwing says:

    “I will only speak for myself. Who cares about perfect behavior? This should not be the standard. Police are dangerous so be careful? Why can’t police be careful as well?”

    Totally agree. And I never spoke about a ‘perfect’ standard…I’m specifically discussing how to avoid taking things sideways. The very first step – chronologically and legally – is just comply.

    Floyd is dead, unjustly killed in custody after resisting. Chauvin will spend a number of years in prison.

    If Floyd simply got into the fcuking police cruiser he would have been booked, maybe hospitalized, but in any case back home by nightfall since passing a fake twenty wouldn’t even require bail.

    Just comply, for Christ sake….everything begins there. including your rights and ability for recompense if things go sideways thereafter.

  171. leftwing says:

    “But if Blacks or more likely to be stopped than whites, than it’s a moot point. And they are.”

    And show me that study and I will double down my portfolio bet winnings that it uses the exact same flawed methodology.

  172. crushednjmillenial says:

    Joyce at 4:16 on “why can’t police be careful as well” . . .

    I agree that the police should be careful. Daunte Wright’s family deserves a civil settlement. The officer deserves jail time (for something like reckless manslaughter, in my opinion) and to never, ever be a police officer again.

    I also agree with the police reform idea of requiring police to individually carry insurance so that cops with excessive force claims/payouts or even just enough citizen complaints eventually pay a lot for insurance or so much that they can no longer find a department to take them. I strongly support weakening public sector unions, including police unions.

    But, what SHOULD be, is not what ACTUALLY IS. Ivory tower discussions on police reform wouldn’t mean much to me if a police officer discharges a bullet or two into my body. A police officer shooting me is realistically on my mind whenever i am pulled over. Thus, the realistic, optimal, logical way to interact with the police is as little as possible and as carefully as possible. One day, maybe we will have achieved a more-enlightened society wherein this will be different.

  173. joyce says:

    “And I never spoke about a ‘perfect’ standard…”

    No worries, I’m not putting words in your mouth. I was responding to crushedmillenial.

    “Chauvin will spend a number of years in prison.”

    Very unfortunately, I don’t think he will. We shall see soon.

    “Just comply, for Christ sake….everything begins there.”

    I agree everything begins there. I disagree with the emphasis on just comply. If criminals, large and small, were good at following rules, they wouldn’t break the law in the first place. Police are given wide latitude on when and how much force to use (way too much in my opinion, but that’s a different conversation). That said, they need to learn how to not kill people and not use an egregious amount of force when it’s not needed. I want the higher standard on the “highly trained professional” police department… not on the criminals, because it will never happen.

  174. leftwing says:

    “If your son stupidly resisted arrest due to a bench warrant for smoking weed and getting caught with an unregistered weapon and was shot dead for it. You would be okay with it since your kid shouldn’t have resisted arrest?”

    I wouldn’t be looking for someone else to blame……individuals or society in general. Probably would blame myself, honestly.

    And since you opened the door I had “the talk” with each of my boys…yeah, that conversation.

    When cops are ‘on your side’ and when they are not and how to tell the difference. What to do when they are not, comply and counsel. Down to role playing…

    “Your dad is outside and is he pissed. He wants to come in here and level you. He says you better talk to us.” What do you say? “I want my lawyer”

    “Your mom is outside and she’s a wreck, crying all over. We may need to call an ambulance for her. Talk to us so we can tell your mom everything is OK.” What do you say? “I want my lawyer”.

    Seriously did. And happy I did. My gut tells me without it they would have folded under pressure.

  175. leftwing says:

    Agree, joyce. All points.

  176. joyce says:

    I agree with every word you said, no qualms.

    I thought we were talking about how it should be. I didn’t think anyone disagreed on how it actually is in this day in age… right?

    crushednjmillenial says:
    April 13, 2021 at 4:37 pm
    Joyce at 4:16 on “why can’t police be careful as well” . . .

    I agree that the police should be careful. Daunte Wright’s family deserves a civil settlement. The officer deserves jail time (for something like reckless manslaughter, in my opinion) and to never, ever be a police officer again.

    I also agree with the police reform idea of requiring police to individually carry insurance so that cops with excessive force claims/payouts or even just enough citizen complaints eventually pay a lot for insurance or so much that they can no longer find a department to take them. I strongly support weakening public sector unions, including police unions.

    But, what SHOULD be, is not what ACTUALLY IS. Ivory tower discussions on police reform wouldn’t mean much to me if a police officer discharges a bullet or two into my body. A police officer shooting me is realistically on my mind whenever i am pulled over. Thus, the realistic, optimal, logical way to interact with the police is as little as possible and as carefully as possible. One day, maybe we will have achieved a more-enlightened society wherein this will be different.

  177. crushednjmillenial says:

    Cop struggling to subdue heavyset woman, despite clearly having jiu-jiustu training . . .

    Very patient police officer. At several junctures, he decided to minimize the harm to the perpetrator. However, one can imagine that rolling alone against someone like this is very dangerous for an officer (get your gun or taser pulled by the perp and used on you).

    https://www.reddit.com/r/bjj/comments/mov0a2/cop_uses_jiujitsu_to_subdue_vandal/

  178. Libturd says:

    Left,

    Of course they shouldn’t resist arrest, and of course I, play it safe and didn’t do anything stupid the three times I’ve been pulled over in my life. I’ve also had THAT talk with my son.

    But I still feel there is problem with the excessive use of force. I feel that little to nothing is being done about it. I feel there is a systemic issue where racists want to be cops to play out some kind of sick fantasy. Yeah. Not a whole bunch, but enough. In nearly all of these cases of police brutality, there are other cops witnessing these events and do nothing to stop them. Believe me. The good cops know the bad cops. But it’s also not a systemic practice to blow the whistle on a brother in blue. Another systemic issue.

    And with each of these murders, the hatred between blacks and cops strengthen.

    I think we both hear each other. I’m good with agreeing to disagree here.

  179. joyce says:

    This isn’t exactly what you’re asking for but this is high-level regarding NYC stop n frisk:

    https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data

    https://ccrjustice.org/files/CCR-Stop-and-Frisk-Fact-Sheet-2011.pdf

    https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/nyclu-releases-report-analyzing-nypd-stop-and-frisk-data

    leftwing says:
    April 13, 2021 at 4:37 pm
    “But if Blacks or more likely to be stopped than whites, than it’s a moot point. And they are.”

    And show me that study and I will double down my portfolio bet winnings that it uses the exact same flawed methodology.

  180. joyce says:

    grim,
    If possible to release my post from moderation, thank you.

  181. joyce says:

    Libturd,
    Its more than race. There’s plenty of examples of unjustified use of force with zero racial component.

  182. leftwing says:

    On better notes look at VIAC….just finished buying a bunch, CS news, more DISC shares to market, looking for overnight bounce

    As always do your own diligence, I’m a retired HS janitor with no financial certifications whatsoever.

  183. joyce says:

    crushed,
    Given the number of encounters police/citizen physical encounters, I’m pretty sure the number of times someone steals their weapon is a statistical zero. Is it possible? Yes, absolutely. But we shouldn’t imagine something is very dangerous when it isn’t.

    crushednjmillenial says:
    April 13, 2021 at 4:57 pm
    Cop struggling to subdue heavyset woman, despite clearly having jiu-jiustu training . . .

    Very patient police officer. At several junctures, he decided to minimize the harm to the perpetrator. However, one can imagine that rolling alone against someone like this is very dangerous for an officer (get your gun or taser pulled by the perp and used on you).

  184. Libturd says:

    True dat Joyce. Not saying it doesn’t happen nor should it not be paid attention to. But people aren’t rioting over it, so right now, it’s on a back burner.

  185. Bystander says:

    Glad we all complied when underage drinking, right? I mean no one ever took off when police shows up. Gee I kind of remember a dozen of us jumping off second floor balcony in college. No one shot in back by police though. If we had then logic here would be we failed to comply and ran. White parents would have understood right? Cops don’t have perhaps little extra on trigger finger and significantly less of fear of justice system if black people involved? No, can’t be true. Suggest people watch ‘I am not Your negro’ documentary with James Baldwin. It is a nice refresher on history.

  186. joyce says:

    Bystander,
    Exactly, I always chuckle when some people here (and I’m not immune) would on 0ne day complain about people (of all races) doing this or doing that, and then days later reminisce about the shit they used to pull back in the day.

  187. Phoenix says:

    “Thus, the realistic, optimal, logical way to interact with the police is as little as possible and as carefully as possible.”

    Good idea, unless you are bonded to someone who constantly brings them into your life, with bull shi te like “welfare checks” when they don’t get something they want. Ask me how I know.

    “White or black. You have the right to resist arrest for a misdemeanor. The consequences should not be murder.”

    You ever have a bunch of armed men coming to be a hero to a lying “damsel in distress-” and you are the “supposed” distressor- you know, like Amy Cooper type?
    You think they are going to listen to you? I’m not sure the hard on in their pants is from your wife, the part where they want to be “heroes,” or they are just on a power trip.
    But you best comply, and don’t expect them to tell you that you left your house in slippers as they escort you away on a lie-you just figure out a way to buy yourself some real shoes in the next 30 minutes.

  188. chicagofinance says:

    from earlier, reiterating this crap….
    xxxxxx

    Mason remembered a Wright as a charming young man to whom he became closely attached. “I just loved his personality,” he said. “He was someone who had a future. Daunte was funny, he was lively,” the youth mentor said, adding that he recalled Wright hoped to own a business one day.
    xxxxxx

  189. chicagofinance says:

    Sorry….. never crashed at someone’s house and demanded money, or any property for that matter; with or without a firearm…….

    intelligent/not-intelligent; rich/poor; black/white; how about simply willing to make a good choice?

  190. Phoenix says:

    Well, Chi,
    I guess he just got the death penalty for a crime he was not yet convicted of. No use going after him now.
    She just lost her job, but she will keep her pension, and she is married to another cop with a pension, so life is fine with her unless they put her in prison, which is never going to happen.
    And the taxpayers, time to pony up big on this one. Six figures at least.
    His family. A new home in a great neighborhood is in their future. Paid in cash.

  191. Phoenix says:

    And that, my friends, is the American Justice system hard at work, doing it’s best each and every day.

  192. BRT says:

    I got into it with the Rutgers cops about 15 years ago. I was ticketed at 4 am driving home from the lab taking data all night. He gave me a ticket for “35 in a 25”. The zone was historically 35 but after the new construction, the put a blank speed limit sign up. So I went back 30 min later to snap a photo and the same cop rolls up on me and asks what I’m doing. I told him and he didn’t even recognize me from the traffic stop 30 min earlier. I gave him a big attitude and he told me to get my hands out of my pocket. His radio must have been on because another one rolls up at 35 mph and jumps out behind the door. I recognized the situation right away as a tense situation where something stupid could easily happen and put my hands up and told them to pat me down. All of these situations where the person is about to get arrested but somehow ends up dead have involved very stupid decisions.

  193. joyce says:

    I thought it was almost immediately reported that they were arresting him because of outstanding warrants.

    chicagofinance says:
    April 13, 2021 at 11:09 pm
    Does not fit narrative; must suppress.
    https://nypost.com/2021/04/13/daunte-wright-was-facing-attempted-robbery-case-when-killed-by-cop/

  194. joyce says:


    All of these situations where the person is about to get arrested but somehow ends up dead have involved very stupid decisions.

    Yes, very stupid and negligent decisions by the cops as well as the others involved.

  195. Phoenix says:

    Joyce,
    It was reported about the warrants. I remember that.

  196. Phoenix says:

    Frontline American Insurrection.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcGi4maiJW8

  197. Fabius Maximus says:

    Like I said, first you need to acknowledge there is an actual problem.

    Here is an interesting piece of Real Estate news for discussion.
    https://tinyurl.com/nr9j9dmu

  198. Juice Box says:

    Fab – We should give the American Indians back all their land too. Let’s start with your home.

  199. Juice Box says:

    Fab -The owners of Manhattan beach and really the entire LA Basin going back 7,000 years, aren’t a bunch of African Americans. Why didn’t the government give their land to the correct decedents? Some American Indians would argure they have a false claim to the land.

    Tongva peoples are true owners. The land was stolen from them.

    https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-tongva-map/

  200. BRT says:

    Juice, if what I read from that article is true, the government ultimately seized it through eminent domain to aid with harassment and intimidation campaign from the locals. I would say that the descendant actually should have a legal case against the government.

  201. Juice Box says:

    BRT – The government can go back 100 years and correct and injustice but not t0 1880? That land belonged to the Tongva Indians anywhere between 40 years and 60 years before the African Americans arrived.

    The Tongva people should sue Manhattan Beach in Federal court.

  202. 30 year realtor says:

    Let us begin the investigation of law enforcement with the departments who had officers arrested as a result of the Capitol riot on 1/6. Every department with an officer arrested with ties to white supremacists organizations should be investigated. From there the trail will likely lead to every law enforcement agency in the entire country. Racially biased law enforcement officers must be identified and banned from ever working in law enforcement ever again.

  203. Bystander says:

    “The Tongva people should sue Manhattan Beach in Federal court.”

    …and then who knew their were so many Hebrew people of Tongva origin? Ba dah bump..

  204. Chicago says:

    Joyce: the alleged armed robbery was not either not the source of the first reported warrant, or else the details were not released in the first cycle.

    Phoenix: agree on crimes not worthy of an execution; my point is that this guy is a scumbag, resisted arrest, attempted to flee and created a tense situation where a mistake probably was enhanced.

    Bear in mind. Bail set at $100,000. He was a fcuking POS

  205. Juice Box says:

    Interesting chain of events here, and as usual more to the story. Did the cops have a beef with Daunte?

    The Police pulling over Daunte might not have occurred if there was no pandemic. His mother said he was given the car about two weeks before the police pulled him over for expired registration and plates etc.

    The cops were still running license plate readers when perhaps many many people in Minnesota could not get a title and new license plates and registration. There is apparently a two to three month DMV backlog in Minnesota for registration etc due to the pandemic.

    So why did the police officer pull him over if they were aware of the DMV issue?

    https://twitter.com/CapehartJ/status/1381947216244453379/photo/1

  206. joyce says:

    So what?

    Chicago says:
    April 14, 2021 at 8:31 am

    He was a fcuking POS

  207. BRT says:

    Juice, the line has to be drawn somewhere. Where I don’t know. But I feel entitled to my grandfather’s property given I lived with him. My great grandfather, I figure I wouldn’t be able to. I couldn’t even tell you his name.

  208. chicagofinance says:

    just clarifying….. I think original open warrant was for illegal gun possession…. other warrant was for alleged armed robbery….

    I agree that no one deserves to be executed, but this scumbag has done more for his child, the mother of his child, and the rest of his family as a lottery ticket than for years as a likely recidivist clown. Sometimes you can’t fix jacka$$.

    joyce says:
    April 14, 2021 at 9:22 am
    So what?

    Chicago says:
    April 14, 2021 at 8:31 am

    He was a fcuking POS

  209. aj says:

    JnJ vaccine issues will make it nearly impossible to convince the 1/3 of Americans that say they won’t get this vaccine.

  210. chicagofinance says:

    Madoff > Vigoda

  211. Juice Box says:

    Ok so on stolen land for California we draw the line at 1848. That would mean the Mexican/American farmers still might have a stronger claim that the land was stolen from them.

    This place “the strand” in Manhattan beach has an interesting history. I have biked it a few times when out in LA.

    Here is a quick synopsis.

    Land taken from Indians by Mexico, land granted by Mexican government to private families in 1830s, they create “Rancho Sausal Redondo” and farm the land. Land taken by USA in 1848 in USA-Mexico war. Land grant to Mexican farmers who were living/farming recognized by US government in 1851. Land in 1857 was used by Mexican families as collateral for loan from Scottish citizen Robert Burnett, do to loan default land foreclosed, Mexican-American farmers kicked off land. Land later leased in 1873 and then later sold to Canadian Daniel Freeman. Freeman sold land to developer George H Peck. George H Peck passed away 1904, land sold off to Henry Willard. Willard sells plot to Bruce family in 1912, land taken by Government via eminent domain for park in 1924 and so on and so forth park created and renamed and now given back to Bruce family in 2021.

    I can’t wait to see what kind of zoning battle will be fought now. Some developer will purchase it from the family and will SUE to build 10,000 condos on that park.

  212. leftwing says:

    VIAC…out….over a buck a share overnight….LOLOLOL.

    Anyone follow?

    Bystander, love your Swissies…..

  213. ExEssex says:

    How could this backfire?

    he had a moment to spitball a “Step Brothers” sequel idea.

    In a recent interview with The New York Times, McKay revealed that if a follow-up featuring the continued antics of Brennan Huff (Will Ferrell) and Dale Doback (John C. Reilly) was ever made, the guys would totally be believers of QAnon.

    “No question about it,” McKay told the Times’ David Marchese of the baseless right-wing conspiracy. “They’d be way into it, and they’d be torturing [Richard] Jenkins and [Mary] Steenburgen’s characters with it.”

  214. Fabius Maximus says:

    Juice,

    Great idea. Lets give all the towns back to the Lenape. At that point they can collapse all the 500+ NJ fiefdoms into one. Think of the cost savings of centralized administration, PD depts, schools etc. I’ll lease back the land for my house. I’m effectively paying a land tax to the town anyway. As it will be tribe land, we lose some of the federal oversight as well.
    What a great Win Win.

  215. crushednjmillenial says:

    Anyone trading $Coin today on the dpo?

  216. crushednjmillenial says:

    Wow, and Doge up 50% from its Feb. pump.

  217. Bystander says:

    crushed,

    This Fed sponsored craziness is reaching scary levels of instability. I don’t know how anything is valued anymore. I buy canisters of coffee on Amazon but price keep fluctuating every other week. Not small swings, like random 250% increases

  218. leftwing says:

    $COIN…probably not, feels too much like a cas1no….waiting for the first trade right now though, will let price action and volume guide……

    Trade I’m kicking myself on missing is the decline in all the proxies (MARA, TSLA, etc). they were up strong in partnership, have [predictably] sold off as people dump proxies to go direct in COIN……fcuking should have seen that….

  219. Libturd says:

    leftwing. You are such a momentum chaser.

  220. No One says:

    “Racially biased law enforcement officers must be identified and banned from ever working in law enforcement ever again.”
    That rules out the BLM and “anti-racist” crowd from law enforcement and the judicial system. Can we get them out of the education system too?
    I’ll bet there are a lot more racist “anti-racist” red guards than there are KKK rednecks.

  221. leftwing says:

    LOL. Closer to you than you think…..

    I do strong fundamental analysis to know what I like where I like it….then buy/sell it based on directional probability being in my favor….

    Only difference is my OCD and lifelong impatience can have me operating on a much shorter timeframe than you….hours sometimes, lol. Makes me a swinger, I guess ;)

    That VIAC trade was a no-brainer last night. Only thing that held me back from playing it even harder is I have a decent size LT position I’m holding and it would have been just too stupid an amount to have in one place even overnight…

  222. Libturd says:

    For what it’s worth, not seeing any value whatsoever in this market. I’d steer clear of Crypto since the downside is huge. Especially this late in the trade. I think we are in a market that lifts all ships until the end of the year (at least). Then, all bets are off. Earnings start in earnest this quarter in about two weeks. I would expect to see the market really move then. Once again, start taking some off the table at least during the Summer. It’s been an amazing run.

  223. leftwing says:

    Agree. Except hedge rather than liquidate.

  224. Libturd says:

    My issue with using hedges is that my opinion of them were formed on the Craps table. A professional gambler explained to me why hedges shouldn’t be used. He said it much more eloquently, but the context is what matters. He explained how hedges should never be used if you are confident in your initial bet. Hedges always come with a cost and that cost is often expensive compared to your odds on the initial bet. Though you’ll last longer utilizing hedges, you won’t make as much in the end if your initial bets come through.

    Though I am far from an expert in the use of options. I know there is a cost to their use and I am so risk averse and careful with my purchases that I feel like I would be throwing money away that I don’t need to. A big part of my investment style is to ignore all of the noise at most of it doesn’t matter. What matters is the value of the investment and that is has a strong growth profile based on years of earnings AND revenue growth.

    Though I tend to utilize sector and index ETFs for the majority of my gains. My stock picking around this majority with a bit of deft market timing is what has really allowed me to beat the average returns for the majority of the time I have invested. The older and wiser I become, the more I try to tune out the noise. For example, I haven’t watched CNBC or Bloomberg for years.

    The final valuable lesson, and the one which is really a difference maker, is realizing that patience is the most important trait necessary to succeed in investing. At the end of three decades of stock picking, I have corrected a mistake in my thoughts on the matter. I always believed a few outperforming investments would be the key to beating the indexes. The truth is, you really need to be smart about the whole enchilada. Perhaps it’s the greater division we’ve seen lately between index composition and performance that has lead me to this belief? But it certainly seems to be the case these days. Buy and hold died around 1995. If you don’t move, you are dead in the water. Just don’t move for the sake of moving. Always have a fundamental reason that should have nothing to do with stock price and everything to do with earnings upside versus current share value.

  225. chicagofinance says:

    Earnings kicked off today (officially Monday).

    Libturd says:
    April 14, 2021 at 2:48 pm
    Earnings start in earnest this quarter in about two weeks. I would expect to see the market really move then.

  226. chicagofinance says:

    Hedges aren’t always just about insurance….. sometimes it is to collect income, define a range (e.g., time, price), or possibly amplify the bet.

    Libturd says:
    April 14, 2021 at 4:04 pm
    My issue with using hedges is that my opinion of them were formed on the Craps table. A professional gambler explained to me why hedges shouldn’t be used. He said it much more eloquently, but the context is what matters. He explained how hedges should never be used if you are confident in your initial bet.

  227. leftwing says:

    Agree. But hedges are just a tool. Use properly when appropriate. Or hurt yourself using the wrong one for the wrong task.

    Also, on the gaming analogy don’t forget you can only go long on a craps table, ie. place another bet. Since the house is favored on each individual bet the more bets you place – straight up or as hedges – then yes, of course, you drive your Expected Value toward zero. Totally agree with your gamer.

    For stocks, especially for taxable accounts simple hedges are not costly.
    For example only because it’s up on my screen take a peak at VIAC.

    Closed today at 40.22. If I want to hedge out to May 21 I could do the following:
    Write (sell) a 5/21 call with a 42.50 strike for proceeds of 2.20
    Buy a 5/21 put with a 37.50 strike for a cost of 1.80

    I will be paid (receive, not spend) 0.40 for putting this trade on. Unlike your craps buddy the house is giving me money to hedge, not vice versa.

    For downside protection from the current share price I have hard dollar for dollar protection on losses starting at 37.50. And, because of the way options work, that I am short the call and long the put, and since I received a credit I’m covered on all losses to 39.82 and for a good portion of any losses between 39.82 and 37.50 when the 100% coverage kicks in.

    The true ‘cost’ of the hedge after receiving the 0.40 credit is that I limit my upside to 2.68 or a 6.7% return for the five weeks until the 5/21 expiry. (Math is 42.50 call strike minus 40.22 current share price plus 0.40 credit).

    The neatest thing is I can do this every month.

    If I’m in a market like the current one – uneasy about how toppy we are, not wanting to exit because I feel there may be more upside, but don’t want to get caught in some random 15% downdraft this collar is a useful tool.

    If I want to be less aggressive on the downside protection and have more upside just write the call. While option purists would be upset tossing a covered call into the hedge category it’s similar….in this case your first 2.20 of losses (5.5%) are totally covered and you juice your upside return by the same 5.5% to a share price of 42.50 where your total return tops out at a gain of 4.48 or 11.1% for five weeks.

    Again, you can execute this trade every month.

    If you think your position is going to increase more than 11.1% over the next five weeks then of course don’t hedge with that level of bullishness. Also on that one, don’t forget to pass that tip along :)

    Hope that’s helpful.

  228. leftwing says:

    ^^^for Lib

  229. chicagofinance says:

    How do you define Do Not Pass?….. I guess I can see it as going long a certain set of outcomes….

    leftwing says:
    April 14, 2021 at 4:58 pm
    Also, on the gaming analogy don’t forget you can only go long on a craps table, ie. place another bet.

  230. chicagofinance says:

    Isn’t that call pure intrinsic for a month of time? It looks as if the implied vol is sh!t and the write is too cheap? or does that come with the territory these days…. you just have to pay to play….. I swear we live in fuct times……

    leftwing says:
    April 14, 2021 at 4:58 pm
    For example only because it’s up on my screen take a peak at VIAC.

    Closed today at 40.22. If I want to hedge out to May 21 I could do the following:
    Write (sell) a 5/21 call with a 42.50 strike for proceeds of 2.20

  231. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Chi,

    It’s a product of the times.

    Remember, this is not f’ed times. This is a golden age. It might be coming to an end as Russia and China align against their common enemy in the west, but I highly doubt it. Based on historical avgs, been a very peaceful period to live through.

  232. 30 year realtor says:

    No One,

    Not sure what your point is. Do you support racial bias in law enforcement?

  233. leftwing says:

    Call is OTM…yeah, vols aren’t what they were but not horrible IV is 60 at the 46 percentile. obviously with the collar you’re long and short so what you lose on one you pick up from the other…harder to write premium on puts, was a go to trade for a while I’ve stepped back from a lot just not worth it. This setup is alright for what it tries to accomplish obviously can tweak expiries, strikes, etc….

  234. ExEssex says:

    Told’ ya we’d pack the Court.

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