Herd immunity out of reach?

From the Star Ledger:

If almost 20% of N.J. adults don’t get vaccinated, will the state achieve herd immunity?

In a Rutgers-Eagleton poll released Thursday, 17% of New Jersey adults said they will not get the COVID vaccine.

Nearly half of all parents polled said they have concerns about the vaccine for their children.

As of Friday morning, about 57% of adults in the state have been fully vaccinated, according to state data. The state has set a goal of having 70% of New Jersey’s 6.9 million adult residents vaccinated by the end of June.

But if 17% of adults say they won’t get inoculated and nearly half of parents aren’t sure, will the state reach herd immunity,which is defined as having a large portion of the population immune to a disease either through vaccination or natural infection?

It’s not a simple question, medical experts said.

Stephanie Silvera, an infectious disease expert and professor at Montclair State University, said herd immunity isn’t an on/off switch, but more of a dimmer.

“The higher percentage of the population that is vaccinated, the lower the probability that someone who is infected will come in contact with someone who is vulnerable,” she said.

She said if another 10% of the adult population that isn’t vaccinated decides to get the vaccine, and if more parents have their children vaccinated, that gets us closer to herd immunity.

“The challenge will be making sure that parents feel safe and comfortable getting their children vaccinated and this will likely require outreach and listening to their concerns so that they can be addressed,” she said.

Johri said the poll’s findings about parents — 43% said they will wait to see how the vaccines work out before getting their child inoculated, 4% said they were not sure, and 53% said they will get their child vaccinated right away — is actually heartening, especially when you take into account the margin of error.

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152 Responses to Herd immunity out of reach?

  1. grim says:

    Vaccination of 12-15 group seems far better than expected at this point.

    113k total doses against a population of ~450k

    That’s in basically 25% achieved in 3 weeks total time.

  2. grim says:

    The wider 2-15 group is 16% of NJ’s population. Reasonable to think that we can see another 10% added to the total vaccinated population through this group heading into the fall.

  3. Phoenix says:

    More pathology in the teaching profession than almost anywhere else. Daily Mail has female teachers banging middle school students at least twice a week now.

    Funny how American media never posts it.

  4. I don't feel tardy says:

    “More pathology in the teaching profession than almost anywhere else. Daily Mail has female teachers banging middle school students at least twice a week now.

    Funny how American media never posts it.”

    NY Post covers this stuff.

  5. 3b says:

    What is the increase in female teachers doing this sort of thing?

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    June 6, 2021 at 9:34 am
    Yes, pay matters. I’ve been saying this for years. Laughing at the fools that scream teachers are overpaid, yet demand perfection. Pay up if you want the math teacher to be on the same level as you getting paid 400k.

    Fact of the matter, there are a ton of good teachers out there doing a great job and are highly underpaid for what they can get somewhere else with the amount of work they put in. Falls on deaf ears most of the time because people love to belittle the teaching profession.

    “As for teachers – it is a union job.
    And that says it all. It is a bunch of extremely stupid, ignorant people, who are
    failing miserably at all they touch and do.
    And you are the best example.
    American teachers are a disaster.
    They are mostly totally illiterate to an astonishing degree.
    Yes, I’ve had several occassional pleasures to prove
    to math teachers the most trivial mathematical things
    that they were teaching wrong.”

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fact of the matter, they are little bitches. They are so overpaid compared to the rest of the professions, it’s not even funny. Yet, they still whine and cry…still want more. Bitch, get to the office you entitled prick, you are not getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to sit at home. Wtf do you think this is? Tech boys are such little bitches.

    Just wait till the supply of programmers catch up with the market. If WFH is here to stay, then that will definitely happen. Just remember to come back to this blog and cry about how your job is being offshored for cheaper markets. That you should have listened. But for now, enjoy getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars working from home. It won’t last…

    “No, nobody in truly innovative industries needs to go to the office.
    None, zero, nada.
    Extremely idiotic.
    You insist on office presense – you loose the most precious
    workers right away.
    That’s just the reality.”

  8. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just off the top of my head. Yahoo, IBM, and Bank of America. Oh wait, so yahoo and IBM were just ahead of their time, right? Or was it that WFH only works during a pandemic when your competition is doing it too. Give it a few years when these WFH success stories go against real competition…ones that actually go into work in person. Going to wipe their a$$ with their wfh competition. Not even going to be a competition.

    In person collaboration is rocket fuel for innovation. Just take smart people and put them together. Random conversations lead to fabulous innovative ideas. Competition amongst team members does the rest. WFH, you have no idea who winning the competition amongst team members…you only know your task, and your task only.

    So yes…wfh will stifle innovation and setback society years. You think the iPhone would have been created in a WFH environment? Steve job’s creative genius and his ability to get the most out of teams would never have happened in a WFH environment…facts.

    3b says:
    June 5, 2021 at 10:15 pm
    Pumps How do you know it will decline? You state it as fact. Also what major companies tried WFH and abandoned it, and which of those companies never recovered. Where do you get this crap from? You just make it up. We all know you hate WFH , and we all know why you hate it. It’s weeks now that you have been hyperventilating in anger over WFH, give it a rest.

  9. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The issue is so complicated, yet too many people are only looking at it from a short term perspective. They only care about the now and getting to stay home or live in a cheaper location. They are not thinking about the ramifications and how this will change things long term.

    That’s actually another great debate. What will happen to local startup and tech economies if workers are paid high salaries. London salary in Italy would destroy market for engineers in Italy. There are more extreme examples of that too. It’s another problem to solve.

  10. 3b says:

    Pumps IBM has WFH, and so does BAC. Yahoo I don’t know, and Yahoo the last I heard was part of Verizon and they are dumping it I believe. As for Apple their employees are pushing back against eliminating WFH, are these not some of the same employees who created the I Phone? They say creativity and innovation will not be affected, but of course you the school teacher from Wayne knows better and says it will be affected. That’s why you are so insufferable you know better than anybody even more than the people who do the work and create the technology and products. And you do it all because of your concern that the need for commercial real estate will decrease, and you don’t like that.

  11. 3b says:

    Pumps: You post every single day here, many days dozens of posts, all during the pandemic as well, when I assume you should have been teaching your students. Yet you have the nerve to call tech workers entitled little bitchez and demanding that they go back to the office because that’s what Pumps want, and we all know why you want them back in the office.

  12. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just tell me how Steve Job’s would have operated and pulled off what he did in a WFH environment.

    Listen, Apple is the best run company in the world. Why do you think they still want the office while their “entitled” workers they created don’t? Apple is already being reasonable by compromising and giving them 2 days at home. These babies still want more. They are going to take down innovation and this company with their selfishness. You don’t get to have it all, yet these entitled workers think you do. God forbid you have to “go” to work…

    “They say creativity and innovation will not be affected, but of course you the school teacher from Wayne knows better and says it will be affected.”

  13. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If remote was so f’ing good for the company, why didn’t they embrace it long ago?!

  14. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Blah, blah, blah…I’m done explaining why. It goes in one ear and out the other. Think what you want.

    “Pumps: You post every single day here, many days dozens of posts, all during the pandemic as well, when I assume you should have been teaching your students.”

  15. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Of course, when you are in a pandemic and your competition is forced to do the same. Let’s see in a few years, when you go up against companies that aren’t WFH. Let’s see who wins and who is just as productive…

    “Plus, analyses showed workers were just as productive at home,”

  16. Juice Box says:

    WFH is not just a strange phenomenon here in the USA. I am hearing from all over the world on this.

    Anecdotal spoke to my cousin who lives in New Zealand last night. He says downtown Auckland is deserted during the work week. He will be WFH permanently. Even though they did not suffer from Covid like here, they switched to remote working. He works for the Government there in IT.

    He rattled off tons of reasons why their government supports it. Better work/life balance, no more wasted time driving or taking the bus. Better for the environment etc. etc.

    As I mentioned the Biden Administration is supposed to be changing gears on Federal Jobs this month and will issue guidance on WFH for Federal Jobs.

  17. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    You love WFH because you think it’s good for real estate.

    Quite the opposite. You know how many people living in low cost areas who have low paying jobs got screwed the past year? You don’t care about them. They now have nowhere to live a decent life as these remote workers drove the price up on them in low cost locations. Beyond f’ed up…they get the ultra high pay and then get to go sabotage cheap real estate markets?

    WFH is an aberration on our society. You just can’t see it like most.

  18. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    Okay, then why can’t we have WFH school? Why? It’s okay for your wife, right, but not teachers? What about the environment and teachers work life/balance? Most teachers are women. Most are mothers. Oh that’s right, we don’t like WFH in this situation.

  19. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How many times have teachers been ripped to shreds for wanting to WFH? People are hilarious.

  20. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – you again with a logical fallacy aka flawed reasoning. You don’t work in an office building, you work in a school, school buildings exist to educate children in person. If we don’t need the school building then teachers can work from anywhere even Montana for less $$$ and the kids can be from anywhere too. There are no need for expensive local property taxes because of archaic school districts with a bloated model that does not meet the needs of the students.

    Best example I can think of is this flawed model the Abbott ruling created that sends endless tax dollar down the drain. We have tossed hundreds of billion at this problem to educate these children with little results. In reality it fails most students that are forced to attend in those districts for economic reasons as their parents cannot afford to move or cannot afford a private option.

    I would be all for a volunteer PILOT program where some of these kids in the Abbott districts learn remotely from K-12. The results should speak for themselves.

  21. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Then so be it. Start hiring in Montana, or raise the pay of teachers who have to go into dirty schools with no air conditioning and take your kids off your hands for hours on a day.

    Juice Box says:
    June 6, 2021 at 11:25 am
    Pumps – you again with a logical fallacy aka flawed reasoning. You don’t work in an office building, you work in a school, school buildings exist to educate children in person. If we don’t need the school building then teachers can work from anywhere even Montana for less $$$ and the kids can be from anywhere too. There are no need for expensive local property taxes because of archaic school districts with a bloated model that does not meet the needs of the students.

  22. Trick says:

    Just scheduled my two kids for their 1st shot next week.

  23. leftwing says:

    “You are like from another planet.”

    Renter, he is a fool or a troll. Either way this forum would be better off without him…just don’t reply, it gives him the opportunity to vomit post all over the place.

    “…2 weeks ago we bid farewell to our buddy to go to facebook…”

    Ballpark if you would how old or years experience? TYIA

  24. leftwing says:

    I am going to undertake a challenge…..can I get hired for three – not two, but three – FT WFH jobs simultaneously and hold them.

    Any bettors out there?

  25. Juice Box says:

    re: “raise the pay” That does not make the schools cleaner or provide any air-conditioning.

    And frankly you aren’t paid to take kids off parents hands for hours a day. Pumps nobody takes my kids off my hands. I send them to school and expect them to be taught and not for child care. I would pull my kids the moment I thought that the school system was failing them and they weren’t learning, and this year and a half was tough one for my youngest. My wife and I and a tutor have spent many hours keeping him caught up because of the struggles of remote learning.

    My suggestion is we give the failing schools the remote option instead of more decades of failure with a teaching model that does not work for some because of challenges that apparently cannot be overcome no matter how much money is tossed at the problems decade after decade. You solution is to “pay the teachers more”.

    Somehow that has not worked! How about an extra $30K a year. Does that fix the kids now? I could go on and on about it, but I know what the reality is. I have plenty of educators in my family including a few in tough districts. The principal in my family has spoken volumes and volumes about the challenges with teaching and running a school in NJ.

    We know what can be accomplished with remote learning. It has drawbacks but it might be a better option than what we are doing today in failing school districts. It will die on the vine now anyway as the politicians and lobbyists, and unions have spoken. We are NOT going to fix these problems. It’ social promotion for everyone, no testing and back to the coal mines or else.

  26. Juice Box says:

    Leftwing you could probably pull off four WFH jobs, just make sure they are all government ones. Just think four pensions!

  27. leftwing says:

    Ha! Even better.

  28. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    If wfh becomes the reality, who in their right mind is going to go into the underpaid and under appreciated field of teaching? I can’t imagine many. Just more of a race to the bottom.

    Let’s just get rid of public schools and create an environment where parents compete for the best educators for their children. Then you will really be paying for education instead of crying about your taxes. You people crying about unions when they hold down the top of pay.

    How much do these private tutors cost? How about the SAT services? So let’s get rid of the unions and public schools…I want to get paid for doing a good job.

  29. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If you get rid of public schools, the top private schools would triple in price over ugly. Public schools hold down the price of private schools as it eliminates lots of competition to drive up the price in the market. Could you imagine eliminating schools like tenafly, ridgewood, wayne etc…unleash a massive competition for good schools. Look how it drives up the price of real estate in those locations…

  30. Phoenix says:

    Teachers get sued? Worried about attorneys? This here is what is wrong with our justice system

    https://www.nj.com/healthfit/2021/06/supreme-court-rejects-johnson-johnsons-appeal-of-2b-talc-verdict.html

  31. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So go ahead, get rid of public schools. It might lower the price of your house while driving up the cost of education.

    Also, get ready to take care of all the people that won’t be able to afford a good education. That’s a future cost down the line. If you think Abbott students are failing now, just wait when they get zero education.

  32. grim says:

    Anyone considering getting a third shot as a booster heading into fall (before everyone jumps on this bandwagon)?

    Had Moderna, seems like it’ll be pretty easy to walk up and get a PFE shot (as a booster), come October. Just say I never had a shot, and get one as if it was first. Unless, of course, someone comes out with a reformulated booster in the fall.

  33. Phoenix says:

    “So go ahead, get rid of public schools.”

    Boomers like lower taxes. They couldn’t care less about children. Once their children are grown they want the taxes to stop.

    Why hasn’t every boomer gotten the vaccine yet? Like I said, tie it to Social Security and Medicare. No lottery.

  34. Phoenix says:

    Grim,
    I thought about it. Not a bad idea. I’d expect to be off the next day.

    Couldn’t do it where I work. It’s all documented. And I’m not going to lie, it’s not my nature.

    But if its offered….

  35. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bingo. Human nature is a b!tch.

    Public schools hold down the cost of education and babysitting (the kids are not home right? Don’t have to pay to send them anywhere to be watched over and fed) for parents. So let’s get rid of them so people stop having kids all together due to cost. Let’s make it completely unaffordable for the next generation of parents. All so the boomers can put more money in their pockets. Selfish pricks.

    Phoenix says:
    June 6, 2021 at 12:36 pm
    “So go ahead, get rid of public schools.”

    Boomers like lower taxes. They couldn’t care less about children. Once their children are grown they want the taxes to stop.

  36. Juice Box says:

    re: need for a booster.

    Who knows what the vaccination interval will be…The boosters shots we have now for other viruses are what every 10 years?

    When there are enough reports of breakthrough infections and people on respirators again there will be a mad stampeded and the vaccination hunger games will start up again.

    Fun times…I hear several pill versions of the vaccine are under development too.

  37. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I say we get rid of social security to reduce our taxes. Also, get rid of tax laws that freeze property taxes on old people. They want low taxes, right? How bout we start with Medicare?

  38. Juice Box says:

    When people want lower taxes in NJ they move. There are towns filled up in Arizona or Florida with retired NJ teachers, police and firemen, or they just hop over the border to Pennsylvania where there is no state tax on Pensions, or IRA distributions.

  39. leftwing says:

    Grim, look up Gottlieb on the topic….he’s reading no boosters, that the PFE and MRNA vaccines will hold for much longer duration than the six months from the EUA.

    Caveat was unless there were a breakthrough variant, which he doesn’t see now and which chance continues to decline as the populations become vaccinated.

  40. 3b says:

    Pumps: I am WFH first and foremost as it provides a dramatic improvement in the quality of life for the younger people with children who need to incomes to pay for the high house prices and property taxes that you do dearly love.

    Secondly, because yes it will be a positive for real estate in this area as prices will have come down to become more competitive with other area in the country. A reset long term will be healthy, whether you like it or not.

    At the end of the day we know why you hate WFH.

  41. 3b says:

    I have to disagree on Boomers and loving low property taxes, every spending refer dim including massive amounts on school renovations and additions were overwhelming approved in my town by Boomers. The local Realtors told them it would increase their property values. Then when done with the schools many up and move because they don’t want to pay the high property taxes that they are largely responsible far.

  42. Phoenix says:

    How bout we start with Medicare?

    Many do want to eliminate it. Especially Boomers. And Social Security.

    But not for them.

    They want it “phased out.” Like in “phased out until after they die and depleted it.

    There is no limit to their hubris. Just look at what they are asking for their homes.

    It’s why this video hits the mark.

    Baby boomers, greatest generation
    Got all the money, now we got the vaccination
    Crash the economy, three whole times
    But when it comes to the vax, we the first in line

    Got a job out of college, no student debt
    Retirement funded, a hundred percent
    Voted for Trump, but just for the taxes
    Don’t believe in Covid, still got the vaxes

    Biggest generation, ain’t no stopping me
    Never gonna die, drain your social security

    You in the parking lot eating by the trash right
    We in the booth reading menus with the flashlight

    Eat all the food, drink all the booze
    Sail all the cruise, while you still on the Zoom
    I know you wanna live large like me
    I got the big ass house and the SUV
    I got the second house too, and the third house, three
    And the place in Vermont, and one in Miami
    Damn, I got five houses?
    That’s a lot. Hm, good for me.

  43. 3b says:

    Teachers in the good districts have it fairly easy, and this I am told from some teachers. They recycle the same lesson plans year after year. Off in the summers, out by 2:30 or 3:00, multiple holidays, during the year, off for the holidays in December for a week, some still get the fuel conservation week in February, plus Spring break. On top of that , health care, pension and after tenure achieved, guaranteed job for working life. That’s not enough, now need WFH too according to Pumps. These entitled Bitchez need to get off their behinds and get back in the class room.

  44. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Phoenix,

    Nailed it.

    3b,

    Promise me you will sell your house on the cheap to some worthy young family. Price it for what you paid for it.

    You do realize remote work destroyed any chance of young families to find something cheap? Did NYC prices go down? Did north jersey prices go down? What happened to the cheap rural areas? Did their price go down? Nope, they were lottery tickets presented to the highest paid workers in our economy. They get to make the most money in the economy, and then go by the cheapest real estate. Talk about f’ed up. And you cheer this on because you think it’s going to lower prices in this area. How much did Boise increase in price because tech boys could easily pay double the market value without a blink of an eye? Remote work is really helping low wage workers get by.

  45. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    Go get a teaching job. You have this romanticized take on the job. Go do it. Who is stopping you?

    Just a little tip, it’s not easy managing kids all day. It’s also not easy dealing with momma bear when their child tells them straight up lies because they are a bad Apple, but the parent can’t see it.

  46. 3b says:

    Pumps: Go get a job in corporate America you seem to be an expert on them. Team work , creativity, brain storming, real work can only happen in an office not at home and all your other BS. Yet when someone comments on your profession you are outraged. Self awareness Pumps.

  47. Juice Box says:

    My favorite disgruntled and salty but sometimes happy teacher in High School was Mr. Hughes who taught trigonometry. I would call him a tale of two teachers.

    If you had him in the morning he was ornery. I had him twice in one day, had him for home eoom, really before the “coffee” had it’s chance to work it’s magic. He was just nasty at times and being older, balding, wrinkled man with bad yellow teeth in his late 50s and near retirement, sometimes he had the shakes when writing on the board etc.

    If you had him in the afternoon for class which I did as well he was gleeful and would even tell jokes and sing a tune or two at times. This was of course do the vodka infused “coffee” he would swig in the morning and liquid lunchtime took full effect.

    We all takes breaks. No shame in doing the same. School ends soon for the teachers here soon and they all have had a tough year and a half. Hop on a flight e go visit the old country and family etc, it will perhaps give you a different perspective on life being away from home which can be a real pressure cooker sometimes. Take the time off and enjoy it, life can be as this year has taught us shorter for some of us than we expected..

  48. 3b says:

    Pumps: You are hyperventilating again over WFH, and real estate. WFH became dominant this past year, contrary to your past BS that it could have been done 20 years ago. Do you really think the ultimate ramifications on real estate price declines one location vs another was all going to play out in a year? And yes I do believe that people were foolish to pay the prices they have paid over the last year to live within 20 miles of their office when for many they won’t be going in or only one or two days a week.

  49. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You have never been in a profession that gets disrespected on a regular basis. I don’t know why even give haters the time of day. I just have to ignore it..

    3b says:
    June 6, 2021 at 1:19 pm
    Pumps: Go get a job in corporate America you seem to be an expert on them. Team work , creativity, brain storming, real work can only happen in an office not at home and all your other BS. Yet when someone comments on your profession you are outraged. Self awareness Pumps.

  50. The Great Pumpkin says:

    But it was available. Go read juice’s article he posted above about Cali. They were pushing it back in 2000. I told you about the case studies that tried and abandoned it. Only in your mind is it only possible in 2021.

    “WFH became dominant this past year, contrary to your past BS that it could have been done 20 years ago.”

  51. The Great Pumpkin says:

    For a corporate guy being so superior, why can’t you understand this. These prices are never going down, when will you realize it? Been chirping this nonsense for years.

    “Do you really think the ultimate ramifications on real estate price declines one location vs another was all going to play out in a year? And yes I do believe that people were foolish to pay the prices they have paid”

  52. The Great Pumpkin says:

    8 years ago, you were claiming people were fools for paying these prices. Well, those fools would now have to pay more for the same house.

    Do you underStand that NYC is a world class city? This area will always command a premium. Always.

  53. Brt says:

    Breakthrough infections shouldn’t put people on respirators. Vaccines convert this to the common cold.

  54. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I just want to point this out…and then I’ll leave you guys alone for the day.

    Business owners are like parents, they want their workers in the office. It’s the optimum environment for the business to succeed and grow. The workers are just like the teachers, they want to work from home for obvious reasons, reasons that don’t help the business owner, just like remote teaching doesn’t help the student.

    Of course you guys are going to ignore what I just said and tell me that it’s different. It’s not.

    Juice Box says:
    June 6, 2021 at 11:25 am
    Pumps – you again with a logical fallacy aka flawed reasoning. You don’t work in an office building, you work in a school, school buildings exist to educate children in person.

  55. 3b says:

    Pumps: We simply did not have the technology or the bandwidth to do WFH twenty Yerba ago. Last time we had this discussion you pointed out dial up AOL!! Seriously?? Rather than address the rest of your nonsense posts, I will just say you have no idea what bosses want you don’t work in corporate America. You talk about haters of your profession, but call WFH people, slackers, losers, unambiguous dirty layabouts. As for the chirping chirping about prices you would be right but of course for the wrong reasons, and finally NYC was a world class city whether it remains one is to be seen, the opinion of a guy from the suburbs who visits perhaps once a year is meaningless.

  56. The Great Pumpkin says:

    From Jb’s post earlier. I read a lot, that is something you don’t seem to understand. Im not pulling stuff out of my a$$ like you think. I’m not your ordinary individual. I also suffer from OCD. It helps me to obsess over a subject and research to a degree you will never understand.

    “The idea of telework or telecommuting has been around since the early 1970s, when it was first pitched as a way to reduce traffic congestion, air pollution and energy consumption. The idea began to gain steam, particularly in Southern California, in the 1990s, when leaders were desperate for solutions to the region’s bumper-to-bumper traffic and sickening smog.

    Los Angeles city and county set up pilot projects that allowed public employees to work from home. The region’s transportation and air quality agencies spent $10 million to set up telecommuting centers — the predecessors to today’s co-working spaces — where employees could travel just a few miles to an office setting with high-speed internet connections and fax machines. Regional planners set a goal of having 20% of the workforce telecommuting by 2010.

    Well, it didn’t happen by 2010. It didn’t even happen by the beginning of 2020. Remote work remained a niche perk, embraced by some employers, shunned by others. Before 2020, about 8% of workers in Southern California telecommuted on any given day. Then COVID-19 hit. There are no regional numbers, but an MIT survey last spring found that about half the nation’s workforce was working remotely.”

    Juice Box says:
    June 6, 2021 at 10:39 am
    There is no turning back. WFH forever!

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-06-06/editorial-weve-discovered-we-can-work-from-home-theres-no-turning-back

  57. LoveTheStuartSmileyPumpkin says:

    Maybe we have been doing this the wrong way.

    https://Youtu.be/6ldAQ6RH5ZI

    We love you pumpkin.

  58. Fabius Maximus says:

    I susspect that part of the push back at Apple is the commute is a pain. A lot of people cant afford to live in the valley so are commuting in from the other side of the bay.
    I never got why Apple pumped 4 billion into that Infinity Campus. They had a great opportunity to break from Silicon Valley. Microsoft made a smart move early on going with Redmond, Apple should have relocated to a nice location and all their staff can commute north south rather than that ugly West East.

  59. Fabius Maximus says:

    So all political discussions should be put into the context of these two paragraphs.
    https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/1401605148795932672/photo/1
    This is the game plan. It should frighten everyone.

  60. 3b says:

    Pumps: We all read. As much as I find you incredibly disagreeable, I do hope you find peace with WFH. Your negative obsession with it is very unhealthy.

  61. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fab,

    Who are we to argue with the most dominant company in history? They want the office, but their workers don’t. Sucks that they rely on such niche talent, that the workers get to tell the most powerful company in the world how to run their company. I truly hope these workers don’t take Apple down. These entitled folks should be happy to work at such a great company, but they don’t. They feel they are in position to dictate to the company how they want to work, and that is dangerous long term. Democracies are dangerous when put into the wrong hands.

    At the end of the day, do they want to work from home, or work for the most innovative company in the world. The company already compromised, but these fools are digging their own graves. Can’t fix stupid.

  62. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Don’t you think a corporation like google and Apple know what’s best for their company long term? Yet, the entitled workers know better. Good luck.

  63. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I’m also pro worker, but I draw the line when they start demanding that they get to work from home. Wake the f up. Does a respectable dentist run his business out of his house. Learn how to be professional, but then again, they like going to work in sneakers. Losers.

  64. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And if you don’t think that Apple and google are figuring out a way to find workers that will come into the building, you are crazy. Wouldn’t doubt if they lobby the govt for H1b1’s to fill these positions that Americans are too good for.

  65. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Btw, WFH was prob one of the most depressing years of my life for me personally. I just don’t know why someone would want to avoid human contact and stay at home all day. It’s just not good for your health, but maybe the younger generation is built differently. I haven’t figured it out yet..

    Maybe they are just a really sad generation that wants to avoid human contact as much as possible. I don’t know…

  66. grim says:

    Bezos set to fly on the first crewed Blue Origin rocket, in less than 2 months.

    Holy crap man. Talk about one-upping Elon.

    SpaceX Inspiration 4 (all civilian space flight) not set to launch until September, so Jeff might take the crown depending on the rest of the crew.

  67. Juice Box says:

    edge of space 30 minute flight, 3 minutes weightless, ballsy for unproven rocket, even Richard Branson did not go up in his space plane.we might see Musk go to the ISS there is a planned tourist flight and his ship has the space.

  68. Grim says:

    One upping every middle aged guys post-divorce Corvette.

  69. Juice Box says:

    + Blue Origin rocket looks like a flying dick to go along with the Amazon logo.

    https://www.blueorigin.com/new-shepard/

  70. Chicago says:

    Juice: the Courtyard in Red Bank is back available on 6/19 to 6/20 at $1,153.

  71. Juice Boc says:

    Chi – Weddings have it all booked up. I am attending one this weekend at Navesink Country Club. I believe the recommended hotel was that one. I don’t need a hotel I could walk home and I just might if the wait for Uber is well Uber long……

  72. Juice Box says:

    Science finds the smoking gun in the DNA of Covid-19?

    “CGG-CGG”

    “In the case of the gain-of-function supercharge, other sequences could have been spliced into this same site. Instead of a CGG-CGG (known as “double CGG”) that tells the protein factory to make two arginine amino acids in a row, you’ll obtain equal lethality by splicing any one of 35 of the other two-word combinations for double arginine. If the insertion takes place naturally, say through recombination, then one of those 35 other sequences is far more likely to appear; CGG is rarely used in the class of coronaviruses that can recombine with CoV-2.

    In fact, in the entire class of coronaviruses that includes CoV-2, the CGG-CGG combination has never been found naturally. That means the common method of viruses picking up new skills, called recombination, cannot operate here. A virus simply cannot pick up a sequence from another virus if that sequence isn’t present in any other virus.

    Although the double CGG is suppressed naturally, the opposite is true in laboratory work. The insertion sequence of choice is the double CGG. That’s because it is readily available and convenient, and scientists have a great deal of experience inserting it. An additional advantage of the double CGG sequence compared with the other 35 possible choices: It creates a useful beacon that permits the scientists to track the insertion in the laboratory.

    Now the damning fact. It was this exact sequence that appears in CoV-2. Proponents of zoonotic origin must explain why the novel coronavirus, when it mutated or recombined, happened to pick its least favorite combination, the double CGG. Why did it replicate the choice the lab’s gain-of-function researchers would have made?

    Yes, it could have happened randomly, through mutations. But do you believe that? At the minimum, this fact—that the coronavirus, with all its random possibilities, took the rare and unnatural combination used by human researchers—implies that the leading theory for the origin of the coronavirus must be laboratory escape.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184

  73. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Fauci lied, 600 thousand died. So when is Biden going to confront China over conducting a genuine investigation?

    Or is he too compromised over all of his foreign graft? What would China release about he and hinter’s Bribery scam if they felt like he needed to be taken down a peg?

    600k dead and democrats aren’t sure if they want to find out how it happened. Insane.

  74. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Kind of a dumb premise for the article since the state immunity is well past the previously accepted levels for herd immunity. Which was 50-60%. Natural immunity, vaccinated, are way past that. Covid is over in nj aside from political opportunism.

  75. SmallGovConservative says:

    BidenIsTheGOAT says:
    June 7, 2021 at 8:40 am
    “…democrats aren’t sure if they want to find out how it happened.”

    Oh, they’re sure. Dems absolutely do NOT want a long, thorough and unbiased investigation into the origins of COVID. That’s partly because they don’t want to have to entertain the possibility that T was right, and that Dem media partners were wrong to censor anyone who mentioned lab escape as a possibility. But it’s also because they don’t want to have to do the hard work that would be required to confront the CCP if lab escape were confirmed. Above all else, Dems are lazy and have no stomach (or interest) in the difficult, but truly important aspects of governance.

  76. Fast Eddie says:

    Dems are lazy and have no stomach (or interest) in the difficult, but truly important aspects of governance.

    It’s been blatantly obvious for a very long time. Years ago, Ed Koch said the dems don’t have the stomach to confront difficult situations like terrorism. Difficult situations are reality and democrats like to live in a world of symbols and gestures.

  77. BRT says:

    It’s likely 30% of the state suffered infection, possibly more. We have likely achieved it. We won’t know until September once summer ends. But either way, it shouldn’t matter. The whole crisis should have been declared over once we vaccinated our seniors.

  78. Ez says:

    8:40 revisionist history

  79. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Society is slowly becoming a bunch of slobs. Sad. It really is.

    “Mat­tress maker Vis­co­Soft is re­lax­ing its dress code as em­ploy­ees re­turn to its Char­lotte, N.C. head­quar­ters in June. In­stead of the but­ton-down shirts and slacks that were the norm be­fore the pan­demic, staffers can now wear jog­gers, leg­gings and sweat­shirts. “I told them no pa­ja­mas,” said Chief Ex­ec­u­tive Gabriel Dun­gan.”

    “But dress­ing for suc­cess is at odds with our grow­ing de­sire for com­fort. And for many peo­ple, com­fort is win­ning out. Karl Hud­son, who over­sees mar­ket­ing for an on­line gam­ing com­pany, swapped the leather shoes he wore be­fore the pan­demic for N!ke sneak­ers when he re­turned to his New­cas­tle-upon-Tyne, U.K., of­fice a few weeks ago. Some of his co-work­ers went a step fur­ther, pair­ing shorts with pa­jama tops. “They look like they just rolled out of bed,” said the 30-year-old.

    The easygoing styles are evident in Manhattan’s garment district, where dressing is a way of life. “Everyone comes to work in sneakers now,” said the designer Nicole Miller. “Before we all wore heels.””

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/youre-finally-going-back-to-the-office-what-are-you-going-to-wear-11622799041?st=ub42o77jdr0vh4y&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  80. Juice Box says:

    re: Everyone comes to work in sneakers now,” said the designer Nicole Miller. “Before we all wore heels.””

    You cannot run from the beggars and perps or step over the garbage and human waste wearing heels. Deblasio put the homeless into the hotels in the Garment District.

    “According to Barbara Blair, president of the Garment District Alliance, out of the 13,000 displaced homeless people in New York City the Midtown West area (Garment District, Hell’s Kitchen and 34th Street Partnership) had 4,300 of those people resettled in hotels. The area also has a methadone clinic, a needle exchange facility and previous homeless shelters and drop-in shelters, as well as two major transit hubs in the Port Authority bus terminal and Penn Station.

    The private “Garment District Alliance” also have had to setup “safe corridors” along 7th and 8th Avenues for the commuters with private security guards on every block to keep the beggars and perps at bay. They have had to remove lots of people shooting up on the street corners too. It’s a real hell hole now.

  81. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    I suspect you’re being glob but which part? The Biden’s aren’t denying the bribes they just prefer to pretend they are legitimate.

    The Fauci emails are from his own mouth. Interpret them how you like.

    But the scientific community is diverging from the political community. Those who have a vested interest in China inc are sticking to the wild origin story and those outside the influence are skeptical.

    If you aren’t even interested in investigating then it tells me everything I need to know.

  82. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I think the problem with police in NYC is that they stopped working for the mayor. I assume this will all be changing as they open the offices back up and have a new mayor in place. Let’s face it, Deblasio checked out a long time ago. No one respects him anymore.

  83. The Great Pumpkin says:

    As soon as the new mayor comes in, they are going to want to look like a “hero” cleaning up the city and making it safe again. Its inevitable.

  84. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I went to a wedding at Hudson House in Jersey City over the weekend. I can’t believe how much West Jersey City has changed. It blows my mind.

    Fyi-The view of NYC from this venue is top notch. Enjoyed it.

  85. Fabius Maximus says:

    8:40 revisionist history

    8:40 deflecting from the botched response to the Hoax Virus.

  86. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – bail reform. A new Mayor cannot stop what Albany legislators put into place soon as NYPD processes them they are back out on the street…catch-and-release law…. They know this too and are very aggressive beggars now. Hense the need for private security to supplement the NYPD.

    The homeless now stay at the Sheraton in Midtown. You think tourists will want to pay top dollar to stay there? Deblasio is out in a few months, there is no specific exit strategy for the homeless hotel program. 139 Hotels in NYC right now, and the Judges have already put a stop to any evictions.

    It could take decades to come up with a program to deal with it.

  87. chicagofinance says:

    Sounds like a song from Rage Against the Machine

    BidenIsTheGOAT says:
    June 7, 2021 at 8:40 am
    Fauci lied, 600 thousand died.

  88. Phoenix says:

    Clean up the city.
    Put the homeless on buses to NJ, cause homes and apartments are cheaper here.

    Haha.

    Thanks Boomer, for making life unaffordable for the masses.

  89. chicagofinance says:

    The problem with NYC police is that they are not protected and cannot do their job. That is why adding cops will not solve the issues. You could cut the force in half, but protect them and have 5x the positive results.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    June 7, 2021 at 11:06 am
    I think the problem with police in NYC is that they stopped working for the mayor. I assume this will all be changing as they open the offices back up and have a new mayor in place. Let’s face it, Deblasio checked out a long time ago. No one respects him anymore.

  90. Phoenix says:

    When people have nothing to lose, they become dangerous.

    It’s a government’s job to make sure this doesn’t happen.

    It’s not a government’s job to make it happen.

  91. Fast Eddie says:

    deflecting from the botched response to the Hoax Virus.

    From an unknown global pandemic to a vaccine to normalcy in a year. You want to see botched? Witness the filth, scum and violence of every democrat-run city in the nation.

  92. joyce says:

    How are they not protected?

    chicagofinance says:
    June 7, 2021 at 11:44 am
    The problem with NYC police is that they are not protected and cannot do their job. That is why adding cops will not solve the issues. You could cut the force in half, but protect them and have 5x the positive results.

  93. Phoenix says:

    “The problem with NYC police is that they are not protected and cannot do their job.”

    Oh, trust me, they have plenty of protection. Way more than you do.

    It’s the legal system in America that is failing all of us.

  94. joyce says:

    You know it’s possible for two things to be correct (more or less) at the same time, right?

    Fast Eddie says:
    June 7, 2021 at 11:45 am
    deflecting from the botched response to the Hoax Virus.

    From an unknown global pandemic to a vaccine to normalcy in a year. You want to see botched? Witness the filth, scum and violence of every democrat-run city in the nation.

  95. Phoenix says:

    Joyce,

    You know, like shooting people for jaywalking. Or shooting a guy in his own house when his ex makes false allegations. Yeah, they need that ability too.

    At least now they have to wear cameras. For better or worse. Too bad they weren’t wearing any at my house. I could have used that footage. But with NJ taxes being what they are, we could not afford them before.

  96. leftwing says:

    “This is the game plan. It should frighten everyone.”

    More frightening to me than this literal, self-styled “dream sequence” fictional paper by some ‘professor’ masquerading as novelist is the game plan of the Left which goals are well underway with many already having been legislated…….to control every aspect of a person’s life in their respective States through Federal law and regulation and to run this Republic by way of an unsustainable 50.1% vs. 49.9% majority rule.

    Amendment Ten, clear as blue sky….

    “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

    There are reasons many actions of Congress require 60-67% of the vote….the Constitution was specifically drafted to protect the rights of a large minority against the whims of a small majority….

  97. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Trump calling the virus a hoax was fake news.

    He called the democrat response a hoax. Toilet paper masked, killing the economy etc.

    Look how blue states vs red states performed. He was right.

  98. JCer says:

    Phoenix here’s the issue, put your self in the Cop’s shoes. NYPD cops make maybe 50-75k per year, it’s not the nicest work and they have to deal with people most would not want to deal with. They also have a union so they can plausibly avoid situations where they’d interact with criminals and not suffer consequences. If you make the scenario one where there are too many negative consequences for interactions human nature takes over and the game would be one of avoiding the criminals and allowing them to operate with impunity all while under reporting crime as much as possible. Under the current regime they have no backing from city hall so the obvious reaction is to simply avoid the trouble areas and not to confront people engaged in crime. Catch and release is a real problem, the only way laws deter behavior is the threat of consequences for ones actions, rule of law is critically important to a functioning society.

    See the shoplifting situation in San Francisco which threatens the existence of stores in the city and creates a burden for the store owners as well as law abiding customers who will suffer from fewer options as stores close due to losses and increased prices as the stores who stay in business will need enhanced loss protection strategies and more profits from sales to make up the losses.

    When one engages in the debate over police abuses and justice system injustices one needs to also see the potential effects of the solutions given. We do need to tread carefully because as it stands the impact of these injustices are quite small compared to many other issues no one is talking about. If we effectively incapacitate the legal system from punishing offenders rule of law will break down and the consequences will be severe for many law abiding citizens.

  99. JCer says:

    Basically do not overreact as a result of fringe events, try to take a measured approach with small palatable steps to discourage bad actors and to identify and weed them out.

  100. joyce says:

    Most of the issues Phoenix brings up are not fringe; they are the core workings of the justice system.

    Are some of the “solutions” bandied about in the political discourse an overreaction? I think so, but not all. Also, there was next to no conversation about fixing anything prior to the last few years. So, most people were happy leaving the current broken system in place. Also, I disagree the impact of the injustices being small – they’re just not something that impacts certain people.

  101. BRT says:

    Trump believed it was a hoax, shut down the economy, then committed hundreds of billions of dollars to develop a vaccine, and campaigned on the vaccine’s success?

  102. JCer says:

    On the virus. It is very alarming that science and scientists were so easily controlled and discredited around this virus. At this point all signs are point to a lab leak, it is so bad they are having to backtrack as there was no hiding it. You have a few very peculiar facts, it’s been 15 months and we have no proof of an animal host, there would have been infected animals in Wuhan if that’s where it made the jump from animals to people.

    In SARS and pretty much every other pandemic of the sort infected animal hosts are found near the source of the infection we have no such intermediate animal nor any infected bats. The location is curious Wuhan is not near any horseshoe bat populations, the nearest natural population is a thousand miles away. So either a small undisclosed food bat population brought the virus which is quite unlikely and it directly infected people in which case we would have dead bat handlers, forensic contact tracing would provide evidence making this plausible, nothing has been put forward, if the Chinese had this they would be shouting it from the rooftops.

    Now it is coming out that you have sequences that have never been found in any natural bat corona viruses, this CGG-CGG sequence and the furin at the cleavage site which is ideally placed on the spike protein and is a very unlikely natural evolution due to this feature not being found in other viruses in the same family it would have needed to occur through a mutation the chances of which are very remote because unless this mutation occurred in humans or some other animal with a very similar ACE2 receptor it’s highly unlikely it would be propagated as the mutation is of no value in a bat virus. It’s curious that this furin cleavage sequence appears on the ideal portion of the spike protein to infect humans, this is why covid is so transmissible vs. other bat corona viruses we’ve seen in the past.

    So we are in a situation where highly unlikely but not impossible things needed to occur coupled with no evidence whatsoever this came from nature. No one wanted to push China because of the consequences, what will the citizenry of the world do in response? China already mishandled the situation and is culpable for what happened in some respects, but if it is somehow proven they lied and this came from a lab the situation becomes more serious. The vested interests in the west fear a situation that could lead us towards economic sanctions or even worse war with China.

  103. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Why is it okay for homeless to terrorize the majority? I don’t get it. Why are people so against taking homeless people off the streets? Catch and release? Wtf is this sport fishing? Oh boy, I have big one…

    I have no empathy for the homeless. There are so many programs to get help. They just don’t want it. They CHOOSE to be homeless because they refuse to stop doing drugs.

    It seems like homeless are getting out of control. I’m not even talking cities. I was in Orange county NY, and dudes are panhandling at a town light. Get the f/k out of here with this crap. Esp when there are a ton of unfilled jobs. Someone has to come up with a plan, and if anyone thinks it’s wrong to rid the homeless from the streets, then you take them in your home.

  104. BRT says:

    Dr. Richard Ebright from Rutgers sounded the alarm on the potential danger of the Wuhan lab in 2017. He stated that considering that particular lab already had several accidents with the original SARS virus coupled with the fact that freedom of expression and diversity of opinion were not well tolerated in China, it’s a recipe for disaster. Then look what happened to the original doctors in Wuhan. They all disappeared.

    Ebright then in 2020, revived the possibility that it came from this lab. Fast forward to today, it’s looking more and more like he was right. Moreover, in his recent twitter, he pointed out Fauci is culpable of a lot of things. Funding this research through other mechanisms, lying about it in his congressional testimony, and moreover, not disclosing the conflict of interest of the funding of gain of research when promoting the natural origin theory over that last year. Conflict of interest doesn’t mean you are acting on it, but failure to disclose it looks awful.

    What happened to “make lying wrong again”. I’ve been saying it for months but it’s even more apparent now, this guy needs to resign. He’s a political hack.

  105. Fast Eddie says:

    One student was killed and another was injured in a shooting Sunday night at the athletic field at Columbia High School in Maplewood, the superintendent said in a letter.

    https://www.nj.com/essex/2021/06/student-killed-another-injured-in-shooting-at-nj-high-school-athletic-field.html

  106. BoomerRemover says:

    Not protected?

    Pat J. Lynch RUNS New York.

  107. leftwing says:

    “No one wanted to push China because of the consequences, what will the citizenry of the world do in response?”

    Absolutely nothing.

    Of higher priority was/is disagreeing with anything said by the Orange Man.

  108. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Eddie, someone watched the last Boy Scout one too many times.

  109. Juice Box says:

    Gunplay last night at the Garden State Plaza in Paramus

    Anti-drug carnival was going on with rides etc.

    ““We were on line with our children waiting to get in a ride (when) two men got into an altercation,” said a woman who asked that her name not be used.

    A “super-buff muscular guy without hesitation approached a (man) and punched him twice in the face,” the woman said.

    The man who was punched then “pulled out a gun and pointed it at the (other man),” the woman said. “Chaos ensued. Everyone began running.”

    I kid you not name the event, called “L.E.A.D. Fest,” for Law Enforcement Against Drugs & Violence, is one of several held throughout the state.

  110. JCer says:

    Left those tens of thousands of people who lost loved ones and all the millions of people who suffered economic losses as a result of this would demand action be taken against china even if that means no cheap TV’s. Quite frankly I could see economic sanctions and once the Chinese economy fails literal revolution in Beijing, it could literally bring about the end of the PRC. There is a big vested interest over there and many do not want to see that happen. Also the fear of what a failed Chinese state would do with all of it’s missiles, military, etc one potential option is they would start WWIII to distract an economically suffering population. Seriously no western market for Chinese goods would mean the end of the PRC they wouldn’t survive it.

  111. JCer says:

    So politicians don’t want to go after China as that’s who pays them, moneyed interests didn’t either but if the general population wasn’t comatose eating pork rinds in front of the TV and knew what happened they would demand action be taken.

  112. leftwing says:

    “Quite frankly I could see economic sanctions and once the Chinese economy fails literal revolution in Beijing, it could literally bring about the end of the PRC….Seriously no western market for Chinese goods would mean the end of the PRC they wouldn’t survive it.”

    Agree with the latter statement, the former will never happen.

    As you note immediately after the populace just really doesn’t care.

    The minor annoyances of dead relatives, massive government debt, taxes taking over half your output, runaway costs of living, declining living standards in general..as long as we have a month for every possible slice of ethnicity (we may need to add some more months to the Gregorian calendar soon) we are GOOD to go baby!

  113. JCer says:

    Joyce, point is even the most affected parties are typically far more impacted by crime than police malfeasance. Yes officers with lot of complaints should be taken off the street but the number of incidents of police homicide or even police brutality are tiny compared to victims of crimes in the places we are discussing. In a city like Chicago there is literally a war going on. When you look at the incidents most are unintentional that’s not to say all but most are occurring in the heat of the moment with an armed perp, the number of unwarranted cases of police murder is statistically insignificant. It’s like complaining about a tank tearing up the asphalt on the street without acknowledging the real cause which is the war being fought on your street.

    Of course the judicial system is flawed it is a human creation with plenty of room for manipulation but the fact remains it is needed and reform is difficult so the solutions banded around are usually very flawed. If you want to fix police misconduct you’d need to get rid of the union which isn’t going to happen, I’m sure based on the data around complaints you could identify officers who perform poorly and fire them but that simply isn’t a possibility with the union. Unless you can definitively prove a cop is bad the choice is keep them on the street or give them a desk.

    Bail is unfair so lets just release criminals back onto the streets to terrorize the people they live near! That’s a great policy what could possibly go wrong? The poor are struggling to eat so lets decriminalize shoplifting what could possibly go wrong? If you cannot see that the solutions proposed are often worse than the original problem.

  114. leftwing says:

    Serious question, when do LGBTQ+, AAPI, and LatinX all break into their component constituencies each requiring their own separate identity (and individual grievances for extortion).

    It’s like grouping Italians, Irish, and Germans all as “Europeans”.

    I think the conglomeration of the aforementioned groups is highly racist and prejudicial to them.

    Today’s been good to me….I need more and different aggrieved peoples calling me racist and oppressor.

  115. leftwing says:

    Also, I’m confused….CNBC was running AAPI commercials but now there are all Pride commericals…..is it gay month or Asian month…….or maybe gay, Asian month?

  116. JCer says:

    Left the populous is easily manipulated, keep them in fear and locked in their homes. Make the idea that this came from China and their ridiculously unsafe experiments something from the tinfoil hat crowd. Finally convince them it was Trump’s fault because he was unprepared and he botched the response, they moved blame from China onto Trump because he wouldn’t declare a federal lock down. Most bought it hook line and sinker and went back to the TV and the pork rinds.

    If the truth comes out people would demand action, it wouldn’t take much for an angry movement to form. Just look at BLM, that is nothing compared to the anger people have from being locked up for a year, losing their jobs and loved ones, etc. Fringe politicians would jump on it and action would be taken.

    One can hope, I’d love to see China held to account for their crimes in my lifetime.

  117. Ez says:

    *sigh* wfm has been amazing. Thankfully my spouse is going to continue to do it.

  118. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    This is exactly what I was trying to get you to understand. You are worried about the price coming down in nyc metro area, meanwhile you don’t give two f’s about the people who are being pushed out of these “cheap areas.”

    That’s why keep the good jobs concentrated in an area like SF or NYC. Taking these high paid workers from those locations and moving them to cheap locations is going to hurt a ton of people in these cheap locations as they drive up the price.

    “Why are the people from out-of-state trying to push the locals out? It’s not just here, it’s everywhere,” said tenant Tequila Peebles. “I meet people at my job from Illinois and New York and it’s raising up our rent. So y’all want to push the locals out just to accommodate these out-of-towners.”

    https://abc11.com/10741235/?ex_cid=TA_WTVD_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1qq394MOUrRdMrEjV003RxmN3IyZf4bXEDCWXbVl0ELrmENbCo5nFwy-I

  119. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Comment from that article.

    “Sri B Shri Raleigh affordable housing no longer exist. Anything in or near downtown is now prime real estate. I grew up near downtown Raleigh & while I’m all for growth, I find it disgusting tht some of these big name builders & real estate developers are forcing ppl out of wht most of them have known all their lives. I agree tht you should always be prepared for the unexpected, I agree tht folks should take advantage of opportunities & elevate themselves, but not everyone in tht area is capable of wht some accomplish so easily. I love the change but I find it ironic tht some years ago, half of the ppl tht are buying & living in those areas, would not be caught dead in those same areas 5-10 years ago. Gentrification is basically greed! They came in, bought the properties cheap, remolded & rebuilt & forced out those who couldn’t afford to stay. Smh.”

  120. crushednjmillenial says:

    China should have been made to pay the world trillions. This was true even in March 2020 when the idea was that they had MERELY suppressed information about this virus in its nascent days and they had failed to lockdown their population rather than permitting them to fly around the world as this situation was developing in fall 2019. Literally, China should have been sending a check each month on a payment plan to the rest of the world for those failures alone. Like WW1 reparations.

    For this to actually be a lab-created virus that escaped makes the Chinese government’s failures here much worse.

    Trump was too disjointed and has too much ADD to make this happen. Biden is too in the pocket of China interests.

    A proper response would have been for the US to join up with the EU, Japan and maybe a few other wealthy countries (this would represent governments of nations containing essentially the richest 1 billion or so humans), to put an ultimatum to China. Option A: You pay $x Trillion, pursuant to this schedule regarding timing and which country receive what funds. Option B: Stiff tariffs are put simultaneously and immediately on anything containing anything that originated within or touched Chinese soil. The tariffs increase by 2%, per month, so all business interests have time to shift to other nations for their supply chains. After one year, we may expand the tariffs to target any business (whether operated within China or not) that has any ownership by the Chinese State. And . . . the sanctions go up from there over time until you pay us the trillions you owe us.

    Fine, maybe this wouldn’t realistically happen because it would lead to war. But, I am surprised that this position has not been articulated in the press. Even if it’s presented as the opinion of tinfoil hat nuts. The only thing close to this was a few southern states AG’s sued the Chinese government, albeit all those lawsuits were dismissed. “State sponsors of terror” are exempt from the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act” so maybe there should be a “state sponsors of catastrophic virus release” exemption too.

  121. grim says:

    What’s this I hear about Simon and Garfunkel doing Central Park again?

  122. MississipiEddie says:

    There is a great article in The Atlantic about the southern baptist convention and the resignation of the guy in charge of ethics.

    What do you know southern baptist conventioneers are a bunch of child molesting, rapist and segregationist that loved another “very sure he molested someone underage in Russia and Putin got that”, rapist, segregationist.

    Money shot quote,

    But confronting sexual abuse wasn’t the only issue dividing Moore from the SBC executive committee. “The other absolutely draining and unrelenting issue has been that of racial reconciliation,” Moore wrote. “My family and I have faced constant threats from white nationalists and white supremacists, including within our convention. Some of them have been involved in neo-Confederate activities going back for years. Some are involved with groups funded by white nationalist nativist organizations. Some of them have just expressed raw racist sentiment, behind closed doors.”

    Moore cited specific examples: “One SBC leader who was at the forefront of these behind-closed-doors assaults had already ripped me to shreds verbally for saying, in 2011, that the Southern Baptist Convention should elect an African-American president,” he wrote. “This same leader told a gathering that ‘The Conservative Resurgence is like the Civil War, except this time unlike the last one, the right side won.’ I walked out of that gathering, as did one of you.”

  123. Juice Box says:

    Bruce back on Broadway

  124. No One says:

    Left-leaning Vanity Fair publishes a long article describing how a handful of scientific “experts” manufactured a fake “scientific consensus” which the mainstream media and social media immediately announced as “the truth” (mostly because it was the narrative most contrary to Trump). At least they admit they were hoodwinked by a combination of a$$-covering scientists and the blatant cover-ups of China.
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

    Anyone with at least 75% of a brain can see that small groups of scientists are manufacturing consensus for more “emergencies” that give them more “emergency powers” over government policy. But I bet Vanity Fair won’t ask themselves about how many other fake “scientific consensuses” they have swallowed hook, line, and sinker.

  125. leftwing says:

    “Biden is too in the pocket of China interests.”

    Biden is a pu$$y.

    Putin is going to take one look at this frail, disjointed old man shuffling into a meeting and fcuk him up royally.

    Get ready for a series of dustups where ever our proxy interests intersect…Middle East, Caucasus/Turkey, international pipelines, etc. They are going to screw with him relentlessly when they see how weak he actually is.

  126. Phoenix says:

    LGBTQ+, AAPI, and LatinX . Sound like stock tickers

  127. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No one,

    Thanks for the share. That’s unbelievable. I’m really at a loss of words with the direction society is heading right now. Between homeless people being allowed to freely terrorize people, to people showing up to work in pajamas and sneakers, to scientists becoming political hacks, and nobody wants to work (work ethic anyone).

  128. Brt says:

    Scientist have been political hacks for decade. I’ve been telling you this for a decade.

    It’s not hard to look at supposed consensus and see whether or not it’s BS. All you have to do is see how they treat anyone that questions the narrative.

  129. No One says:

    Michael Crichton’s final novel, State of Fear, is a good fictionalization of how “scientific experts” can manipulate public opinion and take power.

  130. The Great Pumpkin says:

    BRT,

    I def should have listened. It seems you are indeed correct.

  131. joyce says:

    JCer,
    I agree with a lot of your post. But as we’ve discussed before, there’s little overlap with some of the comments I’ve made vs the current political talking points on the subject.

  132. No One says:

    Pumpkin,
    Now listen to what BRT has to say about the so called climate crisis.

  133. 3b says:

    Pumps: like I said your negative hostility/ paranoia is unhealthy. You should give it a rest.

  134. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That’s what I was implying. I’m now open to that. After seeing this bs over the past year, you have to question it all.

    No One says:
    June 7, 2021 at 7:55 pm
    Pumpkin,
    Now listen to what BRT has to say about the so called climate crisis.

  135. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wtf?! I show you specific evidence to try to get you to see the light on your hypocritical position that Remote work and the idea of people moving to cheaper locations is a good thing. Sure. Lost in the woods as always.

    3b says:
    June 7, 2021 at 7:59 pm
    Pumps: like I said your negative hostility/ paranoia is unhealthy. You should give it a rest.

  136. The Great Pumpkin says:

    High paying jobs belong in high cost areas. They have no business being in low cost areas because they turn those places into high cost areas forcing low income individuals to pick up and leave. You will never understand how markets work.

  137. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Go ask the people in Austin how that worked out. How long did it take to become expensive after the tech boys came to town?

  138. 3b says:

    Pumps Please, you have shown nothing on the subject no first hand experience in any capacity. That is a complete lack of self -awareness on your part, couple that with your arrogant lecturing, you need to address this: it’s very unhealthy.

  139. leftwing says:

    so you mean something has changed with him over the past ten years?…..

    the definition of……..

  140. 3b says:

    Left: It’s getting worse, and especially his hatred of WFH.

  141. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Left, since we are taking shots…you know what your problem is? You belittle to feed your little ego. Belittling people says a lot about who you are. So you can tell yourself that you are a good guy, but you really are just an elitist di!k that makes himself feel better by putting people down.

    leftwing says:
    June 7, 2021 at 9:48 pm
    so you mean something has changed with him over the past ten years?…..

    the definition of……..

  142. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And you still are a mental midget. You don’t even realize it.

    3b says:
    June 7, 2021 at 9:46 pm
    Pumps Please, you have shown nothing on the subject no first hand experience in any capacity. That is a complete lack of self -awareness on your part, couple that with your arrogant lecturing, you need to address this: it’s very unhealthy.

  143. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You embrace remote work platform because you think workers can take advantage of cheaper locations. You then ignore the fact that “cheaper locations” in the world will appeal to business owners who will offshore white collar jobs under the remote platform. If the worker already did it by moving to cheaper locations, what makes you think for a second businesses won’t do the same by taking advantage of cheap foreign markets?

    But according to you…I don’t get it. It’s you who does not get it.

  144. Fabius Maximus says:

    self-styled “dream sequence” fictional paper

    Problem is when the dream becomes reality. This dream is not that far fetched.

    Donnies comic book presidency became reality.

  145. 3b says:

    Pumps: Mental midget, I don’t realize it and on you go. Don’t you see this is a sickness on your part. You need to address this, because as the summer progresses and we head into the Fall and winter, all the WFH platforms will continue to be rolled out. You will be overwhelmed with it all and outraged. You need help now anger management, coping skills.

  146. Ez says:

    WFH really makes good on the promise of technology.

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