What now for NJ unemployed?

From the Star Ledger:

Murphy won’t say if N.J. will extend pandemic unemployment benefits, affecting 500K residents

With approximately 500,000 New Jerseyans set to lose pandemic unemployment benefits after the first week of September, Gov. Phil Murphy won’t say if he will extend the federal payments.

At his Monday coronavirus briefing, Murphy said he had “no news” about the prospect of extending benefits.

President Joe Biden last week said states with unemployment rates that are higher than the national average — 5.4% — could use COVID relief funds to extend benefits beyond the Sept. 4 expiration date.

New Jersey’s unemployment rate is 7.3% and it received $6.2 billion in federal funds from the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan.

Without an extension, three federal programs will end.

About 250,000 New Jerseyans are currently receiving Pandemic Unemployment Assistance (PUA), the Labor Department said. The program gives benefits to people who wouldn’t normally qualify for traditional unemployment, including gig workers and the self-employed.

Another 190,000 people receive Pandemic Unemployment Emergency Compensation (PUEC), which adds 13 weeks of benefits for people who exhaust their regular payments. But of those, about 100,000 people will be moved onto a different extended benefit program, the Labor Department said.

In all, about 500,000 people have been receiving an additional $300 per week supplemental payment, but that will also end on Sept. 4.

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218 Responses to What now for NJ unemployed?

  1. grim says:

    Cost of extending the 3 programs would be about a billion dollars a month, and that’s assuming conservative benefits numbers.

    PUA – 250,000 participants @ $250 a week = $250m monthly
    PUEC – 90,000 remaining participants @ $250 a week = $90m monthly
    Pandemic $300 – 500,000 participants @ $300 a week = $600m monthly

    Pretty sure 100% of the pandemic funds have already been spent or earmarked, and extension is not budgeted.

  2. grim says:

    Anyway, Greyhound and Flixbus already run round trip bus service from Scranton to New York City. Costs $25 to $55 round trip and is quicker than Amtrak’s proposed time.

    Yo – the other thing that floors me is there seems to be a huge focus on university students. Sorry, but university students aren’t going to be paying those kids of ticket prices to commute to school every day. Amtrak Newark to Philly, for example, is $960 a month.

    Workers sure as hell aren’t going to commute at these prices, it’s cheaper and faster to own a car.

  3. RC NJ says:

    Of course Gov. Teethy will extend unemployment. He is up for reelection in three months.

  4. Fast Eddie says:

    Now controlled by the Taliban because of O’Biden’s epic blunder:

    -2,000 Armored Vehicles Including Humvees and MRAP’s
    -75,989 Total Vehicles: FMTV, M35, Ford Rangers, Ford F350, Ford Vans, Toyota Pickups, Armored Security Vehicles etc
    -45 UH-60 Blachhawk Helicopters
    -50 MD530G Scout Attack Choppers
    -ScanEagle Military Drones
    -30 Military Version Cessnas
    -4 C-130’s
    -29 Brazilian made A-29 Super Tocano Ground Attack Aircraft
    =208+ Aircraft Total!!
    -At least 600,000+ Small arms M16, M249 SAWs, M24 Sniper Systems, 50 Calibers, 1,394 M203 Grenade Launchers, M134 Mini Gun, 20mm Gatling Guns and Ammunition
    -61,000 M203 Rounds
    -20,040 Grenades
    -Mortars +1,000’s of Rounds
    -162,000 pieces of Encrypted Military Comunications Gear
    -16,000+ Night Vision Goggles
    -Newest Technology Night Vision Scopes
    -Thermal Scopes and Thermal Mono Googles
    -10,000 2.75 inch Air to Ground Rockets
    -Recconaissance Equipment (ISR)
    -Laser Aiming Units
    -Explosives Ordnance C-4, Semtex, Detonators, Shaped Charges, Thermite, Incendiaries, AP/API/APIT
    -2,520 Bombs
    -Administration Encrypted Cell Phones and Laptops ALL operational
    -Pallets with Millions of Dollars in US Currency
    -Millions of Rounds of Ammunition including but not limited to 20,150,600 rounds of 7.62mm, 9,000,000 rounds of 50.caliber
    -Large Stockpile of Plate Carriers and Body Armor
    -US Military HIIDE, for Handheld Interagency Identity Detection Equipment Biometrics
    -Lots of Heavy Equipment Including Bull Dozers, Backhoes, Dump Trucks, Excavators

  5. grim says:

    NJ Rt down to 1.21, while the delta wave is persisting here, it’s doesn’t appear to be getting any larger, if anything it looks like the wave may be cresting a bit.

  6. grim says:

    Hoboken comes out of left field and mandates public school student vaccinations:

    Hoboken Students Must Get COVID Vaccine Or Weekly Tests: Official

    In an effort to stay open full-time and keep students safe, the Hoboken public schools will require COVID vaccinations for staff and students 12 and over, or weekly COVID tests, the superintendent said Monday, in announcing the district’s reopening plan.

    For students under 12 (who aren’t yet eligible to be vaccinated), a random selection each week will receive PCR tests, Superintendent Christine Johnson announced. The percentage will be equal to New Jersey’s positivity rate.

  7. grim says:

    Why is the US not blowing up it’s equipment?

  8. Fast Eddie says:

    Why is the US not blowing up it’s equipment?

    Everyone is asking the same.

  9. grim says:

    Seems like the Taliban is getting upset over the Afghan brain drain. Will there be anyone left that knows how to keep a country running? Hospitals? Universities?

    Total economic collapse of Afghanistan is very, very likely. And we’re not even talking about accounts frozen and likely to come sanctions.

  10. grim says:

    CDC continues to blow it’s opportunities. Why was there no televised press conference, on every channel, two hours long, covering the data and analysis done by the FDA in excruciating, mind-numbing detail? With no less than two dozen independent scientists, each verbally validating the research and results?

  11. 3b says:

    Grim A whole generation of young people grew up in relative freedom in Afghanistan at least in the major cities, now they are going back to the 12th century. I too don’t understand why we are not destroying the arms and equipment left behind . As much as Trump was a disaster, Biden is totally clueless. I thought the adults were supposed to be in charge now?

  12. Bystander says:

    Its all coming together nicely for fall chaos – vacation/la la land ends, school returns, unemployment ends, eviction moratorium ends, vaccine mandate chaos, inflation unabated, housing and stock bubbles all around, companies trying to force return, hiring/wages in a stand, 2021 work way behind..and the big culprit is the Federal Reserve under pressure to stop floating it all. Pain is coming and avoiding pain will not make it any better. Congress will need to legislate and punish companies not spending major cash piles. Repubs playing games with debt ceiling, acticing like they are fiscally conserv again..hilarious.

  13. Juice Box says:

    Designer MRNA vaccines coming….

    Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said on Tuesday that he believes it is ‘likely’ that a strain of COVID-19 could emerge that is resistant to vaccines.

    However, the pharmaceuticals boss claimed that the company would be able to develop a new shot to tackle a vaccine-resistant strain within 95 days of its emergence, Fox News reported.

    ‘Every time that a variant appears in the world, our scientists are getting their hands around it,’ Bourla said.

  14. Bystander says:

    As usual, Repubs f-up so bad, get a$$ shown door then they complain that Dems are not cleaning it up right.

  15. 3b says:

    Bystander: Sorry but the withdrawal fiasco is on the Dems. Blaming the Republicans is not acceptable, and simply not true. It’s not the withdrawal, but how it’s being done.

    Is it going to be the case going forward that the Dems will not have to take responsibility for any of their actions, just blame Trump and the Republicans?

  16. Juice Box says:

    There is now way they are going to spend that bailout money on anything but keeping the empty trains running, pet projects, Bonuses for government workers and hiring more government workers.

    Here are the allowed expenses by the law and it ain’t unemployment.

    Support public health expenditures, by, for example, funding COVID-19 mitigation efforts, medical expenses, behavioral healthcare, and certain public health and safety staff
    Address negative economic impacts caused by the public health emergency, including economic harms to workers, households, small businesses, impacted industries, and the public sector
    Replace lost public sector revenue, using this funding to provide government services to the extent of the reduction in revenue experienced due to the pandemic
    Provide premium pay for essential workers, offering additional support to those who have and will bear the greatest health risks because of their service in critical infrastructure sectors
    Invest in water, sewer, and broadband infrastructure, making necessary investments to improve access to clean drinking water, support vital wastewater and stormwater infrastructure, and to expand access to broadband internet

  17. Bystander says:

    Sure, it is all on the Dems…adults have to make real ugly choices not simply tweet vague plans that never come. You don’t get order from disorder – 20 years of military lies and military industrial complex profiteering. Wow, Americans are shocked that “American the great” did not nation build so effectively when we were told everything was under control on TV for decades..just a little bit more. Akin to ‘just the tip in’

  18. Hold my beer says:

    All that equipment is stuff we gave to the Afghan military. Too bad we didn’t train them to fight like the taliban and travel around in pickup trucks. A US general admitted the most effective Afghan units were trained by green berets, were lightly equipped and travelled in pickup trucks just like the taliban. Instead we took an agrarian tribal society and tried to make them a light version of the US military.

    And if only all those young men trying to get into Kabul airport had fought the taliban, the major cities would still be taliban free. I’d swear there are more young guys trying to escape into the airport than there are taliban.

    And Fast’s list shows how much equipment they had to stop the taliban with.

  19. Fast Eddie says:

    Is it going to be the case going forward that the Dems will not have to take responsibility for any of their actions, just blame Trump and the Republicans?

    All day, every day. The list of democrat failures in just 7 months is astonishing. We knew it was going to be a disaster but who knew it would be this bad this quickly? And now ISIS and Al Qaeda are back in the game as China and Russia chuckle in the wings. Who knows what they’re cooking up! Inflation? What inflation? You notice that they don’t even talk about the southern border any longer as scores of illegals stream over because of depleted resources orchestrated by this administration? The media doesn’t know which fire to bury because there’s too many of them. Currently 41% approval for O’biden? It’s lower than that and we all know it.

  20. Hold my beer says:

    And out government is still mismanaging covid.

    Effectiveness of the vaccines drops after 5-6 months, so let’s do boosters at 8 months during a delta surge.


    At least the gov hadn’t announced air in crowded public places is safe to breathe.

  21. 3b says:

    Bystander: The withdrawal is all on the Dems, yes. As for nation building and 20 years you are right, and almost half that time it was the Obama administration with Biden the foreign policy expert as VP for 8 years.

  22. Bystander says:

    The typical R playbook – Al Queda is back, ISIS is back, Bin-laden was returned from the sea..arghh. Media, please focus on all these things that existed before but you never covered. We need a strong Orange leader. I’ll take the guy who actually lost a son in these wars.

  23. grim says:

    I got dose 2 on 2/12, which means I’m on deck for a 10/12 booster.

  24. Bystander says:

    Sorry put a son I meant

  25. BRT says:

    I ate my son’s covid infested leftover pizza crust in April, that was my booster.

  26. BRT says:

    Juice, there was a guy at Harvard who designed a vaccine in March and most of his at risk colleagues took it right away. Black market vaccine 2 weeks into the pandemic.

  27. 3b says:

    Bystander: No Rep rhetoric from me or Dem rhetoric for that matter. My issue is how the Biden administration is handling it. Aug 31 deadline not working, then tell the Taliban feck off we need more time to do it right.

  28. SmallGovConservative says:

    Haha! ‘Surrenderer-In-Chief’! That falling-up-the-stairs routine never gets old. The sad thing is, this ad is entirely accurate — the Biden admin is truly a disaster.


  29. Juice Box says:

    Booster should be sequenced for the Delta, but it won’t be.

    Here it is in it’s current form, the spike protein MRNA vaccines. You can find it on Github. See Figure 1 for Pfizer and Figure 2 for Moderna. Courtesy of Stanford who reverse bioengineered their vaccines.

    All they need to do is change a few sequences to match Delta 100%


  30. ex says:

    Eddie Trump teed this whole Afghan crisis up so I guess you owe him a debt of gratitude

  31. ex says:

    Gary….Reading the imbecilic BS you’ve spouted on here for years leaves me with the feeling that you in fact would fit in really well in Arkansas. Half Wit.

  32. Grim says:

    That’s pretty damn cool

  33. Juice Box says:

    Any foreigner who stayed in Afghanistan as far as up until we pulled out of Bagram airbase was a complete fool. There is nobody that believes the Afghanistan army druggies and government kleptocrats were going defend and run that place..

  34. BRT says:

    Juice, while I agree with your statement 100%, the people that they look to for guidance regarding these matters were saying they would have months. The intelligence failure is staggering. Our “intelligence” agencies seem to have gotten dumber and dumber over the past 20 years to the point that they should probably be disbanded.

  35. JCer says:

    Bystander it falls on Biden. Seriously all this deflection, as horrible as Trump was this wouldn’t have happened under his watch. Biden is ignoring the experts, we had levers against the Taliban which should have been used both diplomatic and military once they started marching on the cities which was a clear violation of the withdrawal deal. We also denied air support to the Afghan troops, that is likely why they deserted, the taliban gives no quarter, they kill who ever they capture without the promise of overwhelming superiority no one wants to fight with the taliban.

    Biden has made it very clear to the Taliban that he will not respond, doesn’t care about trapped Americans or the Afghans who assisted us and we will be leaving with our tail between our legs.

    It’s not political, it’s abject failure by the administration. Our enemies must know there will be consequences for failing to abide by agreements and there will be severe consequences for harming Americans or our allies. Again this Jimmy Carter style foreign policy that you never would see with Reagan, Bush, Clinton, or Trump. Every one of those presidents would have either called in air strikes or forced Pakistan to intercede by withholding aid so as to ensure we could withdraw all our people and secure our equipment.

  36. BRT says:

    Booster should be sequenced for the Delta, but it won’t be.

    Here it is in it’s current form, the spike protein MRNA vaccines. You can find it on Github. See Figure 1 for Pfizer and Figure 2 for Moderna. Courtesy of Stanford who reverse bioengineered their vaccines.

    All they need to do is change a few sequences to match Delta 100%


    This is one of those things where the Trump administration actually sat down and said, how can we fast track this? They would change the regulations that just weren’t fit for the situation. Why they aren’t doing it, I’m not sure. The reality is, the breakthrough cases are more likely due to waning immunity from the vaccine rather than mutation.

  37. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Come on, what did people think was going to happen when we left? This is comical. There is absolutely nothing you can do unless you planned on staying there. Trump ordered us to leave, which everyone was for, and now we are leaving…that means Taliban are going to come back to power no matter what.

    As for all the supplies and vehicles…it’s cheaper to just leave the sh!t there.

    3b says:
    August 25, 2021 at 8:41 am
    Bystander: Sorry but the withdrawal fiasco is on the Dems. Blaming the Republicans is not acceptable, and simply not true. It’s not the withdrawal, but how it’s being done.

    Is it going to be the case going forward that the Dems will not have to take responsibility for any of their actions, just blame Trump and the Republicans?

  38. Juice Box says:

    Yeah those Stanford slingblades can do some pretty cool stuff.


  39. Fast Eddie says:

    Reading the imbecilic BS you’ve spouted on here for years leaves me with the feeling that you in fact would fit in really well in Arkansas. Half Wit.

    How priggish! Holier than thou. At least they love this country and aren’t a bunch of traitors. And once again, the sun isn’t shining so it’s Trump’s fault. Talk about half-wits. You have nothing to point to as an accomplishment not only since the vegetable took office but including the past 50 years of democrat failures as a whole. You’re right though, the Afghanistan debacle isn’t O’Biden’s fault, the pain and suffering of those people is your fault for voting for the dementia patient.

  40. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So we should just abandon public transportation system? You guys act like this is easy. If you cut off transportation now, you will end up hurting the economy. People will lose jobs, but you guys don’t care. When they lose jobs and stop paying taxes, you will help pay for their survival through welfare programs. Be happy these people have been showing up to work throughout the pandemic helping the economy. .

    Juice Box says:
    August 25, 2021 at 8:45 am
    There is now way they are going to spend that bailout money on anything but keeping the empty trains running, pet projects, Bonuses for government workers and hiring more government workers.

  41. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Would you just come out already…we all know you are a hardcore conservative.

    BRT says:
    August 25, 2021 at 9:48 am
    Juice, while I agree with your statement 100%, the people that they look to for guidance regarding these matters were saying they would have months. The intelligence failure is staggering. Our “intelligence” agencies seem to have gotten dumber and dumber over the past 20 years to the point that they should probably be disbanded.

  42. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Politics is a complete joke. It’s a soap opera. Just have to laugh at both sides.

    “Repubs playing games with debt ceiling, acticing like they are fiscally conserv again..hilarious.”

  43. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – Again with your strawman? Give it a rest nobody is saying abandon. Right now the privately run ferries and bus companies have cut back the number of trips. They don’t have an endless bailout program to keep they empty buses and ferries running.

    I continually post ridership data here here.

    NYC subway ridership is still way down. Metro North and LIRR are still down over 60%. Estimates are ridership may not come back for FIVE YEARS or more. We are talking tens of billions needed in the future, not including the tens of billions already spent and the billions of loans from the FED.

    Endless public transportation bailouts won’t work if the workers don’t return…It should be wait and see scale back until the demand is there.

  44. BRT says:

    Would you just come out already…we all know you are a hardcore conservative.

    You are a tool. The Department of Homeland Security was totally a right wing creation. I can’t believe you are tasked to teach kids social studies.

  45. Juice Box says:

    Hey look NYC Subway is only down 3 million rides a day!.

    Date Ridership % Change From Pre-Pandemic Equivalent Day

    Monday, 8/23/21 2,050,525 -57.9%


    Monday, 8/23/21 110,000 -62%

    Metro North

    Monday, 8/23/21 84,200 -68%

  46. The Great Pumpkin says:


    You know why there is a public side to the economy and why it’s not all privately run? Part of the govts job is to provide stability to the economy and society (our daily lives). It’s about making things function so that people don’t turn to anarchy and destroy stability.

    By having govt jobs, you keep society stable. Why do you think they just gave the provate sector a ton of money to not fire their workers? They understand stability is way more important than counting nickels and dimes when it comes to running a society. What does debt really matter? All you want to do is keep society stable.

    Let me paint this picture for you. If running the country was only about profit, it would all be privately run. Do you know what life would be like right now? We would be in a massive depression. Maybe the supermarket would have food available. Maybe cops would still be able to keep the peace. Maybe you would still have access to stable electricty? Maybe you would be able to walk outside without a gun. Too many people take it all for granted, and I promise you, if it was all privately run in the name of profit, we would be living in hell right now.

  47. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just admit what your neighbors already know…you are a full blown conservative. Bitching about the union and crying about climate change activism. Take a jab to the vaccines any shot you can. You are pathetic.

    BRT says:
    August 25, 2021 at 10:15 am
    Would you just come out already…we all know you are a hardcore conservative.

    You are a tool. The Department of Homeland Security was totally a right wing creation. I can’t believe you are tasked to teach kids social studies.

  48. Bystander says:

    “Trump was this wouldn’t have happened under his watch”

    Trump’s watch is probably Dumpy brand made in China with Twitter and shitter function. Sorry JCer, complete non-sense. He was going to pull everyone put by Christmas remember? He could not point Afghanistan on a map. Now he was the greatest hindsight foreign policy expert ever and his 8th secretary of state would have figured it out..sure.

  49. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And remember, brt, i said “hardcore conservative.” You don’t care who created what, it’s in your nature to attack all things govt.

  50. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And because you attack Republican aspects of govt, this somehow makes you a centrist in your mind. Stop lying to yourself.

  51. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – NJ Transit is spending like no tomorrow and the service is no better. They just approved reopening the Lackawanna cutoff to Andover NJ (they get a new station) at a cost of 8 million dollars a mile. That is the middle of nowhere, and they want to continue reopenign under Biden using federal dollars for Amtrack line to Scranton?

    Martz Trailways bus get there faster and the ride from Downton Scranton to NYC is two hours and forty five minutes! So you need to take the 5AM bus and you might make it to your desk by 8 AM…That is a joke nobody does that commute today, and nobody will especially with work from HOME!

    There is no need for this rail line….It has no purpose other than to spend government money on empty trains.

  52. 3b says:

    Juice: 3 to 5 cars in my station every morning, no change at all over the past years. So not a lot going back to the office at least on my line. Yesterday afternoon NJ Transit had to evacuate a train due to smoke conditions; there was a total of 50 people on the train.

  53. The Great Pumpkin says:


    That money is being dumped into the economy through NJ transit. It’s as simple as that. It’s a guaranteed supply of money to the economy to keep it as stable as possible.

    The military is the exact same vehicle for our govt, except, it doesn’t focus only on public transportation. Many say it’s a waste of money, but stability and protection have their costs. You think private compnaies are better off without the money being pumped into the economy through public transportation and military spending? In small states, the military is the source of capital that keeps the local evonomies stable with the spending from the bases directly supporting the local economy (aka private businesses).

    Do you guys think nj transit or the military banks that money? They inject it directly into the economy.

    Remember, shut down the public transit system and you just set off a series of dominoes that will reach the entire economy and take money out of people’s and businesses pockets.

  54. BRT says:

    And because you attack Republican aspects of govt, this somehow makes you a centrist in your mind. Stop lying to yourself.

    I’m not a centrist, I’m an independent thinker. You cannot classify my collective positions into a political label.

  55. 3b says:

    Juice: I listened to a pod cast yesterday by a well known municipal credit analyst. He stated that the Delta variant has upended any real plans to return to the office in any fashion. Also believes that the January 2022 return to office date ,is more like a May 2022 return date. He said WFH has become entrenched, and will impact state and local municipal credits going forward. It was a very interesting discussion.

  56. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s like farming. Why do you think the govt pours money into farmers pockets when needed? It’s for stability. The military and public transportation systems are no different.

  57. 3b says:

    BRT: Then according to some on the left you are suspect. Because I do t adhere to one party line or the other and evaluate issues on their merit, I have been called everything from a fascist to a communist.

  58. Chicago says:

    Biden was always a moron. Even 20 years ago. Withstanding his current mental acuity.

    3b says:
    August 25, 2021 at 8:29 am
    Grim A whole generation of young people grew up in relative freedom in Afghanistan at least in the major cities, now they are going back to the 12th century. I too don’t understand why we are not destroying the arms and equipment left behind . As much as Trump was a disaster, Biden is totally clueless. I thought the adults were supposed to be in charge now?

  59. Chicago says:

    Didn’t Obama do the with W? Even into his second term?

    3b says:
    August 25, 2021 at 8:41 am
    Bystander: Sorry but the withdrawal fiasco is on the Dems. Blaming the Republicans is not acceptable, and simply not true. It’s not the withdrawal, but how it’s being done.

    Is it going to be the case going forward that the Dems will not have to take responsibility for any of their actions, just blame Trump and the Republicans?

  60. The Great Pumpkin says:


    I promise you, the govt will never ever let all companies go remote. Cities and businesses depend this. If they do decide to go fully remote, you can bet on a future tax law that puts a tax on every single remote worker to make up for the shortfall in keeping society stable.

    WFH would be so deflationary, it’s scary. So much of the economy needs people to get out of their house and spend money. You simply don’t understand this, just like you don’t understand that a 50% decrease in housing prices would destroy the economy. Timber!!

  61. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And people cry about the fed and the fed govts support of the economy since 2020. They say it will drive up debt. Well, what would happen if they let it all crash? What is the COST of letting it all crash? You just killed the economy. That means everyone is making less money. So you might have less debt, but the cost severely overrides the cost of intervention from the fed and fed govt.

  62. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Brt, you sound like this guy. 3b is a Republican whether he realizes it or not. Just look below. Why is it the “left?” Why isn’t it “them” instead? That’s all you need to know.

    You both are in complete denial of who you are when it comes to politics.

    3b says:
    August 25, 2021 at 10:52 am
    BRT: Then according to some on the left you are suspect. Because I do t adhere to one party line or the other and evaluate issues on their merit, I have been called everything from a fascist to a communist.

  63. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    The Afghan military was mostly a jobs program for the locals . They aren’t willing to fight, and our military and intelligence knew that back in 2002 or 2003.

    And how is their economy going to crash? Its mostly agrarian. Their GDP is $500 a person. They have lots of emeralds and rare earth minerals, but who wants to sink billions to get them out? And pharmaceutical companies already tanked their major exports. Cheap opioids undercut the Taliban poppy prices,

    Even Mitch McConnell said back in 2010 or 2011 best case scenario for Afghanistan was for it to return to the peaceful agrarian society it was before the Russians invaded. And if the locals were willing to fight the Taliban the major cities would still be free.

  64. Hold my beer says:

    And Afghanistan was always unwinnable, especially with our ally Pakistan supporting the Taliban


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  66. No One says:

    One thing that’s very clear is that the FDA and the CDC are incompetent slow-moving bureaucracies more interested in protecting their power and jobs and covering their asses than they are in actually handling emergencies and saving lives. In typical fashion, the reward these bureaucracies get is more money and power.

    Why wouldn’t they approve and make available delta-updated boosters? Because everything has to go through their bureaucratic process and follow their red tape. They don’t want to be blamed for anything that goes wrong.

  67. Hold my beer says:

    My bad.

    Looks like opium will become an even bigger source of revenue for the Taliban.


    And for every $1 they get from opium sales, how many times that do we spend in treating, investigating, and incarcerating people involved in it? Another slow burn and drain for the US economy.

  68. 3b says:

    Pumps: Don’t go looking to pick a fight. I am a centrist, moderate and have never registered with any political party and never will. I can’t help it if you can’t understand the definition of those terms. Ironically, but certainly not surprisingly you just proved my point by labeling me, and you did it solely I believe based on the fact that I criticized how Biden and the Dems are handling the Afghanistan withdrawal. And you are a teacher??

    You on the other hand change like the wind, you were a Democrat, then a Republican, and now you appear from your posts to be a Democrat again. I believe at one point you even toyed with being a Soci@list.

  69. BRT says:

    You both are in complete denial of who you are when it comes to politics.

    Given your track record here, you are in no position to ever tell anyone who is in complete denial of what.

  70. BRT says:

    China also undercut the opium industry with fentanyl

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  72. Juice Box says:

    criminal..to bad DOJ gave Cuomo a pass already.

    “New York adds 12,000 COVID-19 deaths to tally after Cuomo exit

    ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — New York Gov. Kathy Hochul promised more government transparency on her first day in office and by day’s end her administration had quietly delivered it by acknowledging nearly 12,000 more deaths in the state from COVID-19 than had been publicized by her predecessor, Andrew Cuomo.

    New York now reports nearly 55,400 people have died of COVID-19 in New York based on death certificate data submitted to the CDC, up from about 43,400 that Gov. Cuomo had reported to the public as of Monday, his last day in office.”


  73. Juice Box says:

    Beer – Pakistan,Iran and CHINA are going to have to step up. The Taliban simply cannot go it alone, the whole place will devolve very quickly. Food, Fuel and supplies paid for by US taxpayer etc shipped for the last 20 years. If you look a the pictures of Kabul, they have clean water, sanitation, electricity, cell service and internet, and what looks like many modern apartment buildings too.

    Right now they are lucky Iran is giving them additional gasoline. They have no dollars so barter for what? Opium?

    We were exporting our refined fuels and food and supplies to them via ships from USA, to the port in Pakistan then on the somewhat unreliable Pakistani supply routes that were attacked many times, those were closed by Pakistan during the Obama administration because Obama would not apologize for the Salala incident.


    That Pakistan route cost nearly $80 million a week to run. We then had to move it to a more expensive route through Turkmenistan. Ships arrived via Black Sea to Georgia and onto rail and trucks continued to Baku, Azerbaijan where the goods were transferred to barges and ferried across the Caspian Sea to Turkmenistan and then rail to Afghanistan. That has been going on for 10 years now, and it’s over..

    The Durka, Durka is crowd is going to need money, and if we see it flowing from any bank we have our paws in it will be stopped….

  74. BRT says:

    BRT: Then according to some on the left you are suspect. Because I do t adhere to one party line or the other and evaluate issues on their merit, I have been called everything from a fascist to a communist.

    I’ve been called racist, fascist, sexist…but never communist. Wait, maybe I am a right winger then!

  75. Juice Box says:

    Since I am speaking of influence in the region. We give Pak*istan lots of aid but the Chinese give them much much more for zero interest loans etc. Ports, Roads, Power. We will be relegated to a footnote in history just like the British.


  76. 3b says:

    Juice: We are well on a way to going the route of the British, although Boris does have some delusions that Britain still matters on the world stage. They matter even less now that they are out of Europe IMO.

  77. 3b says:

    BRT: Be silent or agree with me.

  78. JCer says:

    Bystander it doesn’t take a genius to avoid the current situation, all it would have taken is listening to knowledgeable people and taking action. Once the Taliban broke the agreement action was required, Biden sat on his hands. Everyone knew the government would collapse but it was a question of 6 weeks vs 6 months or a year. Trump for all of his failings would never have allowed the Taliban to violate the terms without a shot being fired. I’ve been clear besides dementia joe, Obama and Carter I don’t think you’d find another president who would have gotten America into this situation. Any other leader would have listened to the hawks and escalated when it became apparent the Taliban couldn’t even abide to the terms for 6 months. Enjoy president Neville chamberlain because you couldn’t stomach the Orange retard.

  79. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    The left is calling Larry elders a white supremecist. He’s black.

    As has been said being called a racist is now a badge of honor. It simply means you aren’t politically correct and don’t subscribe to identity politics. Increasingly it means that you believe CRT is a communist front. Which it is.

  80. BRT says:

    or…if I am silent, then I must agree with you

  81. Bystander says:


    So more deaths and injuries to US soldiers/civilians staying there. Question – how many have US soldiers have died during evacuation? Zero. Thanks Joe. Right move.

  82. 3b says:

    BRT: Yes.

  83. grim says:

    Hybrid and hoteling are the discussions for Fall 2021.

    Very few are proposing full return to works, even with vax mandates, given the relative uncertainty of what’s going to happen this fall. It’s a complete unknown, and based on that, plans are being pushed back/adjusted. This includes childcare impacts as well.

    That said, many more are opening up offices for limited staffing, this trend continues, and in many organizations you are starting to see some level of regular office attendance (albeit small). Think of all of this as “toe-in-the-water” exploration.

    Lots of openness about schedule flexibility going into the fall. Nobody wants to pull the trigger and have to back-pedal. Home is working for many, so letting it ride is the path of least resistance until we have more certainty.

    Lots of software sales of hoteling type tools. Essentially, software platforms that let employees schedule office time, desks, other on-site resources, while managing vax and test status. This would have been a really nice niche to get into, since the platforms themselves are all fairly basic/simplistic.

  84. grim says:

    Worth noting, I’m talking about office-type work, for many other warehouse/industrial functions, many are back to normal in terms of attendance and staffing, and have been.

  85. grim says:

    And heeere we go! Broke the seal on this one now too.

    Delta Air Lines is raising health insurance premiums for unvaccinated employees by $200 a month to cover higher Covid costs

    Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian notified employees Wednesday that they will face $200 monthly increases on their health insurance premiums starting Nov. 1 if they aren’t vaccinated against Covid-19, citing steep costs to cover employees who are hospitalized with the virus.

    Unvaccinated employees will face other restrictions, including indoor masking effective immediately and weekly Covid-19 tests starting Sept. 12, the Atlanta-based airline said in announcing new Covid policies for employees.

    The measures are the latest attempt by a U.S. corporation to drive up Covid vaccination rates. Delta stopped short of an outright mandate like rival United Airlines established earlier this month. Delta, which self-insures its employees, stands out in its plans to raise premiums for unvaccinated workers to cover the higher costs of insuring employees who get Covid.

    “The average hospital stay for COVID-19 has cost Delta $50,000 per person,” Bastian said in an employee memo. “This surcharge will be necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is creating for our company. In recent weeks since the rise of the B.1.617.2 variant, all Delta employees who have been hospitalized with COVID were not fully vaccinated.”

    United Healthcare administers the airline’s health insurance plans. The change in approach was Delta’s initiative.

  86. SmallGovConservative says:

    Juice Box says:
    August 25, 2021 at 1:04 pm
    “We will be relegated to a footnote in history just like the British…”

    This will certainly be the case if we turn over governance to the modern Dem party. Make no mistake, if allowed to govern the federal govt for an extended period of time, Dems will do to the US what they’ve already done to Illinois (essentially bankrupt), Detroit, Baltimore (literally third-world governance), and more recently to NYC, Portland and other cities (sky-rocketing crime).

    But it isn’t yet a foregone conclusion. Governance matters and good, effective governance still exists in places — though not nearly enough. And don’t overlook the fact that our potential challengers on the world stage have problems of their own — they just don’t get any attention right now because of Joe’s disasters. China for instance has a massive demographic problem. And Russia, despite Vlad’s bravado, as best I know still has massive, long-term social ills (long-term declining life spans and birth rates) and is essentially governed by a criminal enterprise. Keep your heads up guys, it ain’t over yet!

  87. No One says:

    Freedom isn’t free

  88. No One says:

    Not the fault of capitalism – the FDA and CDC strike again:
    “We have vaccine abundance in the United States but not test abundance. Germany has test abundance. Tests are easily available at the supermarket or the corner store and they are cheap, five tests for 3.75 euro or less than a dollar each. Billiger! In Great Britain you can get a 14 pack for free. The Canadians are also distributing packs of tests to small businesses for free to test their employees.

    In the United States, the FDA has approved less than a handful of true at-home tests and, partially as a result, they are expensive at $10 to $20 per test, i.e. more than ten times as expensive as in Germany. Germany has approved over 50 of these tests including tests from American firms not approved in the United States. The rapid tests are excellent for identifying infectiousness and they are an important weapon, alongside vaccines, for controlling viral spread and making gatherings safe but you can’t expect people to use them more than a handful of times at $10 per use.”

  89. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b, you might find this valuable.

    “How to emotionally prepare for a return to the office”


  90. BRT says:

    Hey Pumps, my district just let me do 2 day pd as wfh. I’m doing it from the beach.

  91. 3b says:

    Pumps: You might find an article that was posted on MarketWatch on Monday valuable. Since you were close to having a nervous breakdown that day regarding WFH I decided not to reference it. Anyhow the article notes that prices for center cities real estate is dropping from 400 a square foot in 2019, to 379 in 2020, to 284 today. All because of WFH of course.
    But hey it does not bother you. But in typical little pumps fashion, you post some fluff article about preparing to return to the office. You would be better served accepting WFH is entrenched , and no going back. From there I would avail yourself of a good therapist, because as much as you deny it, it is abundantly clear that you have a deep pathological hatred for WFH.

  92. 3b says:

    Pumps Prices falling for commercial real estate in case that was not clear.

  93. JCer says:

    Bystander, thousands are stuck in Afghanistan, people who collaborated with us will not be so lucky as to be ransomed, they will be beheaded. The Taliban, a state sponsor of terrorism is now in possession of a nice cache of us military equipment. Put politics aside, this is a disaster. Yes the collapse of the government seemed inevitable but we didn’t even give the country a fighting chance at some sort of peace where the cities could remain outside of Taliban control. Biden asks for more time, Taliban says no and we accept this?

  94. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Let me explain something. Land in NYC is valuable. Doesn’t matter if commercial is falling now, it will find a use.

  95. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Btw. You have no life if you are in your 20’s and want to WFH. You only get one shot at this thing called life, why would you want to waste your 20’s not interacting with people. Some people take life way too seriously. You should look at work as having fun interacting with people. Life is what you make of it. So go have fun!

  96. leftwing says:

    “Why is the US not blowing up it’s equipment?”

    Part of the deal.

    When you withdraw from an area, cede it to your enemies, and rely on their goodwill to fulfill your requests (deadlines, safe passage, etc) you have surrendered.

    Nasty term, but that is what the US armed forces did…surrender.

    Leaving the equipment behind was nothing more than one of the terms of our surrender.

    We are attempting to continue to negotiate those terms of surrender so that the victors will allow us safe withdrawal beyond the already agreed upon deadline.

  97. leftwing says:

    “Repubs f-up so bad…then they complain that Dems are not cleaning it up right.”

    If this is the Dems definition of ‘not cleaning it up right’ please do tell what totally sh1tting the bed looks like….

    Good try, but even the most liberal of the press is not giving Dems a pass on the “it’s all Trump’s fault, we were just following orders” line…..CNN called Biden out directly the other night…Mr President, no one disputes we had to leave, it’s how YOU handled it….

    When you go to sleep at night do you think Trump is hiding under your bed or in your closet?

  98. Bystander says:


    Where did I mention Trump in that post? I said Rs which is Bush..you know the guy you voted for in 2004..oh wait, it was Michael Badnarik..had to look that up myself. I am sure you did too.

    I know exactly where he is, occupying alot of space in your head…but tell us more how you never supported him.

  99. 3b says:

    Bystander: And the 8 years of Obama and Biden? By the way I did not vote for young Bush, and I believe he was a disaster.

  100. leftwing says:

    “I got dose 2 on 2/12, which means I’m on deck for a 10/12 booster.”

    A few days later for me.

    Spoke to a second Px exec I know well….best pathway for continued protection is contracting asymptomatic breakthrough. Clock is ticking on that as immunity curve collapses quickly at the end…

    Regardless, in furtherance of that goal I’m leaving tomorrow afternoon for the Dead&Co show at SPAC….need to cozy up to some infected cuties…my personal summer of love. May need an adult swim version of a chicken pox party.

  101. Bystander says:


    ..and the 4 years of Trump. Someone had to make the call so there you go. I find it quite ironic that 50k civilians were killed during war but now suddenly people want to pin Biden for handful Aghanis that will get killed and “sudden chaos” now. It truly is pathetic politics. You can blame him as he is the symbolic idiot for the rights failures at war..but truly this country needs to look in the mirrror at flag waving and blood lust.

  102. JCer says:

    Leaving the equipment wasn’t a term of the agreement, the Taliban isn’t even following the agreement so why would we? We gave up this equipment because it was being used by the Afghan army and/or piss poor planning as part of this pull out.

    We did have to get out because this is a forever war unless you invaded Pakistan who supports the Taliban, who happens to be China’s ally. We did not make the penalty punitive enough for violating the ceasefire, which jeopardized the pullout and made us vulnerable to a hostage situation.

    They all screwed the pooch over there by not clarifying our goals and going after Pakistan, we could have used sanctions and withholding of aid to try to stop Taliban support.

  103. Bystander says:


    There have beem troop reductions for years. We have dozen generals/captains who are managing the on ground operations. Numerous other people who know exactly was in going on and have inventories. The pull out was signaled for years. You really believe that was just a miss by Biden and oops, they forgot to bring up the equipment to him? Non-sense..it was purposeful. Why? Maybe generals feel they will run out of ammo and parts rendering it useless soon. Or maybe we want Taliban to use it so we can sell weapons to other side. We are pretty damn good at black market/secret arms sales. I am pretty cynical on this.

  104. JCer says:

    Our military folks left equipment because they had good reason to believe fighting would resume. The Taliban broke the ceasefire and Biden like a fool never ordered any men into action. There have been plenty of former commanders who have assessed the situation as such. But continue to think Biden is doing a great job and not embarrassing the US and straining relationships with our allies.

  105. leftwing says:

    “I said Rs which is Bush..”

    If you go back to Bush you need to…

    “And the 8 years of Obama and Biden? By the way I did not vote for young Bush, and I believe he was a disaster.”

    Thank you 3b.

    And Bush is the last person I would vote for as well…he is literally a wealthy, Ivy version of Pumpkin.

  106. leftwing says:

    “Bystander says:
    August 25, 2021 at 5:14 pm
    ..and the 4 years of Trump.”

    And there it is, 13 minutes later….

    Sorry, but after Fifth Ave and Mar-a-Lago the pied-a-terre address is firmly your cranium….

  107. Bystander says:

    Our military can blow all of it to smithereens the minute all folks are out and safe. Cmon. Straining allies? Biden is doing the most American first thing possible and there is no good job here. GTFO, no more US lives lost..it was going to be shite. Rubio talking about lost tax dollars due to equipment?? My god the delusion..

  108. leftwing says:

    “Numerous other people who know exactly was in going on and have inventories. The pull out was signaled for years. You really believe that was just a miss by Biden and oops, they forgot to bring up the equipment to him?”


    Over about five decades I’ve found if something does not make sense most likely you are not in possession of the facts that support the apparently irrational conclusion.

    We’ll never know for sure but basic military practice at every level – no need for an order from the CIC – is to take what you can and destroy what you can’t.

    You saw the extraordinary list of materiel above.

    During the time we had and continue to have high level negotiations over the terms of our withdrawal….

    You tell me what makes more sense….with only the facts on the ground one has to assume we simply overlooked billions of dollars of armaments and centuries of military practice….or……

    The missing fact that supports an otherwise illogical conclusion is that leaving our weapons was intentional.

  109. 3b says:

    Bystander: No real argument from me there. But Biden is supposedly the foreign policy expert.

  110. Bystander says:

    So left, speaking of logic in terms of blame for staying in Aghanistan:

    -8 years of Bush
    -8 years of Obama
    (skip 4 years of blameless American greatness)
    -7 mos. of Biden

    That is what I have already read on this blog. “Trump would never”…..delusional. He did not pull out. Joe pulled the best Trump stratey of all time I guess. Don’t tell when, keep them confused and then do it. Any questions?

  111. chicagofinance says:

    The only reason that the media is shifting course is because the composition of the Congress is at stake. Biden has already dissipated his political capital with months of patent nonsense. This fact could theoretically be whitewashed, but there is no Senate majority and a very thin House dem majority. The press smells blood. Between the removal of COVID crisis government programs in the balance 2021, further deterioration of the health situation, and now the Afghan issue….. who is going to be blamed?

    I really need to think through what the next 3-6 months of legislation will hold. It may really affect my work.

    leftwing says:
    August 25, 2021 at 4:46 pm
    Good try, but even the most liberal of the press is not giving Dems a pass on the “it’s all Trump’s fault, we were just following orders” line…..CNN called Biden out directly the other night…Mr President, no one disputes we had to leave, it’s how YOU handled it….

  112. chicagofinance says:

    BTW – think through this item…… the banning of Trump for social media BENEFITS him. When he is out there using those tools, it allows him to openly expose his weaknesses for full inspection. As a member of the public who does not seek out exposure to him, I think the ban helps me to forget what an awful daily presence he can be on the news cycle, and it also helps to make him more sympathetic. As if that could be possible…..

    Another thing…. the longer there fails to be any kind of indictment of Trump in NY, the more it appears that his allegations of political retribution were warranted.

  113. Bystander says:


    I will say it another way, there is no re-election for Biden. The next few years are it. He is not beholden to D chair. No legacy at stake. He could be dead in a few years. Obviously not sharp as needed for presidency. Pass what he can pass, do some dirty work that needs to be done. F* the Pelosis, Schumers, McConnells, Grahams. They should be toast next election too. The last hurrah..

  114. Juice Box says:

    Chi – We have people here tell us before and during the campaign Trump was communicating with Russia via DNS from an email server and German Bankers were hiding Putin’s payments to Trump and the Russian collusion with disinformation campaigns etc..and the most obvious federal crime obstructions of justice..

    Look Trump is guilty he tweeted over 300 times about Mueller…that alone should have been enough to arrest him.

    I have to ask why is Joe Biden protecting him? Why is Biden protecting DonaldTrump now? Why Why Why is he not in an Orange jumpsuit awaiting sentencing? Why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ARRRGGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!

  115. Bystander says:

    78 year old Trump..good luck. His violent, insanity was full-on from Nov – now. He had people killed at Capitol, jesus. You can’t cover up his erratic lunacy. The right needs to be grooming someone instread of their desperate plan to put up Don Quixote Trump. America repuduatiated him and would do it a second time. Getting bluer, not redder…even Texas in play next election with Cali moving there.

  116. leftwing says:

    “So left, speaking of logic in terms of blame for staying in Afghanistan…”

    I have never spoken of blame for staying in Afghanistan. Find it. In fact, the one thing I clearly recall typing was that we should have been out 19 years ago.

    You keep bringing up this straw man argument when the topic is the absolute sh1tshow execution of our withdrawal. That lands at Biden’s doorstep alone.

    MSM admits it. Even Biden admits it.

    You want a theoretical fight over which Admin over 19 years should have pulled the plug when? Mental masturbation….find someone else. I’m to busy.

  117. Juice BOx says:

    All of that equipment including planes and helicopters requires maintenance which requires training and parts folks. Nevermind actually flying the aircraft…It’s all junk and won’t last long, second hand when we gave it to them..

    I doubt many of the durka durka team can even change the oil on most of it, and for sure as heck cannot read the manuals written in English or even the pashto language. It might as well be alien spacecraft…

  118. leftwing says:

    Chi, agree on all points.

    The silence is deafening from standard Dem quarters….nobody wants to be associated with this mess politically. Bet the SE Asia trip was Kamala’s idea, GTFO of Dodge lol.

    On the impact on legislation even more interesting with the passing and pairing of the processes for the 1.5T and 3.5T…fun times….weirdly, I’ve loaded up recently…as someone who is more glass half full regarding the market that says something, what I’m not sure lol….Smart trades, with hard stops, but longer with more positive delta than I’ve had in a while.

    Also, very good insight on DJT ban….funny, an interview he did with someone popped into the background the other night…even although I wasn’t actively listening I forgot how fcuking aggravating he is…..”loser”, the “best”, “beautiful”, stumbling over basic facts and not giving a sh1t….you mention the AG, as I’ve typed here before I hope charges are filed and they stick. Saying that is against my entire grain as justice offices are blatantly being used for political railroading and reprisal, which I abhor, but he cannot run in 2024….

  119. Ex says:

    I’m honestly through caring – the USA is a doomed Country.
    We’re too stupid at this point and beyond redemption.
    Greed, self-interest, apathy and malice have all combined.

  120. 3b says:

    Ex: I agree. Sad, but I agree.

  121. BRT says:

    Seriously, what’s everyone’s (especially anyone left leaning) opinion of Biden never giving a question session and just silently walking out after every presser.

  122. Juice Box says:

    As the worm turns….

    From his campaign website…

    “lead by example, restoring dignity at home and respect on the world stage”

    From DNC website

    he will work to restore America’s place on the global stage after its absence under Trump”

    I don’t need to link to all the stories on CNN & Washington Post in the last week that are extremely critical of him now. These are not right wing publications folks…..

  123. Ex says:

    Partisan politics is literally eating this Country alive.

  124. Juice Box says:

    BRT- It’s not like journalists are out to get him, as they obviously were out to destroy Trump..I would say most of them voted for him…. Democrats don’t like the wild speculation online about Biden’s mental deterioration and needing 25th Amendment intervention like they Did to Trump in the press many times for months on end.

    His former empathy now comes across as selfishness, again not wanting to appear wrong and answering reporters questions like “the first person I will call is you” today…

  125. crushednjmillenial says:

    Bystander at 6:54 . . .

    “America repudiated Trump. [And, would do so again.]”

    I know you are strongly anti- trump, but 2020 was very close. A few tens of thousands of votes (much less than 1%) change in WI, GA, and AZ, and Trump would have won. I suppose a good argument could be made that the Capitol Riot and Trump’s claims of election fraud reduced his appeal to voters. However, I don’t think it is reasonable to think that Trump would lose easily if he did run again. Again, his loss came in the midst of Covid, which certainly made for a whacky election (Biden did not campaign in-person, vote-by-mail, and the vaccine was announced one week after the election) which would not be repeated in 2024. Trump might not run, he might lose if he does run, or he might lose bigly if he does run – but, there is also reasonable evidence to indicate that he might win if he ran again in 2024.

    Predictit political gambling website has odds wherein if you put $0.31 today, you get $1.00 if Trump is the GOP nominee for 2024; $0.22 for DeSantis. On the Dem side, $0.38 for Biden and $0.28 for Harris.

    Note: this is a political horse-race post. I’m not saying whether any political figure or idea is good or bad, just commenting on how voters might vote based on certain stimuli.

  126. Ex says:

    So the final tally in the Electoral College was 306 to 232. That, of course, is the reverse of the margin Donald Trump won by in 2016. He called that a “massive landslide victory.”

  127. Ex says:

    Popular vote Biden 81,268,924 Trump 74,216,154

    Soooooo close s/

  128. crushednjmillenial says:

    Ex, your post at 11:56 is off the mark. Biden could have run up another ten million additional votes in CA and NY, but he would have lost the 2020 Presidential election if 100,000 people in GA, WI, and AZ voted for Trump instead of him. So, it would have been 91m votes for Biden, 74.3m votes for Trump and Trump would have been the lawful winner.

    One can debate whether the electoral college is a good system or not, but one cannot debate that the electoral college was used to elect the winner of the 2020 Presidential Election. Focusing on popular vote is the wrong metric if one is evaluating how close the election was.

    So, yes, it was so close. No sarcasm.

  129. Nomad says:

    Podcast w Dan Crenshaw former Seal and Tx congressman from Houston. Real discussion about Afghanistan without the soundbits and emotion. Meat of the conversation starts around 9 min mark and lasts 35 min. His guest Andy Stumpf is also a former Navy Seal.


  130. grim says:

    Looks like they are going to push the booster to 6 months.

  131. grim says:

    Desantis? Lol. Good luck with that one. More than half of Florida school districts are now openly defying his executive orders, even with threats of withholding pay and funds. Florida businesses openly defying and countersuing. Lost to the cruise lines, he’s going to lose against the school boards.

    Perfect candidate for President. I mean, we have a history of electing ineffectual leaders that nobody actually listens to. So maybe I’m wrong.

  132. grim says:

    The South will Rise Again.

    Covid Deaths per 100k
    #3 – Mississippi
    #5 – Louisiana
    #8 – Alabama
    #11 – Arkansas
    #16 – Georgia
    #23 – Florida
    #24 – Tennessee
    #25 – Texas

    And rising, and rising. Louisiana will move to the #4 position in a day or two. Georgia likely to move up 3-4 slots in the next couple of days. Mississippi is poised to take then #2 spot from NY, however there is some new news about 15k additional covid deaths added to NY rolls, which would move them to the #1 spot above New Jersey.

  133. Juice Box says:

    Masks are not a hill to die on.

    BTW -More than 100,000 people are now hospitalized with Covid in the US, a level not seen since January!!!! Pediatric hospitalizations 2,100 nationally not seen since last August. Yes Kids folks!!!

    New Cases Daily are near January numbers, 148,000 average…..

    Super Spreader event scheduled for Saturday at the Washington Mall. The 58th anniversary of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s historic “I Have a Dream” speech….

  134. 3b says:

    BRT : Dems won’t criticize Biden as it will be seen as supporting Trump, so they will deflect any legitimate criticism of Biden by referencing Trump. If you are a proud Dem or Rep , or even a sports fan you should be able to criticize your side when they screw up.

  135. BRT says:

    I’ve said it before. Once you show starts of mental decline, it’s a rapid descent over a few years. One of my best friends is about Biden’s age. This is a guy who was teaching Physics as his retirement job into age 75. He was as sharp as ever. He still goes to the gym everyday and is in phenomenal physical shape. Unfortunately, 7 years later, I’m seeing effects of his mind starting to go.

  136. Bystander says:


    You are missing a critical piece – Biden was tired, old sh*t candidate and he still beat Trump. Also, it is very hard to unseat pres. Only twice in 40 years. Biden won’t be running in 2024. Presidents age too – you think Orange palpatine won’t in 3 years? The forces that got him into office with Benghazi hit jobs also won’t be there in 2024. If Fed continues to spend and people are fat happy then there won’t be reason to upset applecart. As always, it hinges on economy.

  137. Juice Box says:

    BRT – All is fair in love and war…. They are firing subpoenas up on the Hill for documents on Trump’s mental health this week.

    Agencies are also asked to relay “all documents and communications related to the mental stability of Donald Trump or his fitness for office”

    “all documents and communications relating to the Twenty-Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution,”

  138. BRT says:

    By, the questions dems should be asking is that why did every Dem candidate that was beating Biden suddenly drop out and endorse him? If that’s all it took to beat Trump, why didn’t then just run someone who wasn’t such a politically corrupt hack bordering on dementia?

  139. Juice Box says:

    Bystander – “Orange Palpatine” did not start any new wars, or destabilize any countries. He was the first four-year term without a new war. His predecessor won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize based on a few speeches, and lots of wishful thinking that never materialized because he dropped more bombs and missiles on more countries than Bush did, and had spent even more than Bush on weapons….Joe Biden was his wingman the whole time. I cannot expect much from a 50+ year career politician who voted for all of these wars and supported their funding, and never spoke out against them. Hopefully when 2024 comes around, the Dems will find a better candidate. They are going to need one as he slips and falls and perhaps cannot get up. Same is true for the right….NO MORE BOOMERS!

  140. No One says:

    If DeSantis wanted to keep the high ground (which he was on last year when he didn’t attempt hopeless lockdowns and prioritized the elderly for safety and vaccinations), then he’d be pushing for lots of quick and cheap tests, and he’d specify that only N95 or NK94 masks should actually be considered masks when it comes to covid.
    Unfortunately the Trumpish Republicans picked masking as the one liberty out of 1,000 other ignored ones to care about, which just makes them look like hypocrites. Maybe democrats also look like hypocrites, as they will be seeking vaccine IDs and tracking, while not requiring the same for voters or illegal aliens.
    Meanwhile, Dems will be budgeting $4.5trillion of deficit spending as part of their “Build Back Bigger Government” agenda so that the blessings of the FDA and CDC can be expanded to even bigger realms of our lives. Prepare for permanent “emergency powers” that will all be excused by a fabricated “climate crisis” lasting into perpetuity.

  141. Bystander says:

    Sorry, what “new war” did Obama start? Please don’t tell me Syria. That can’t be serious.

  142. Juice Box says:

    Don’t know much about Desantis, but he seems to lack a few things like charisma and is pandering right now about the masks and vaccines… now pushing Regeneron for those exposed, but not just positive for Covid? Regeneron’s effects are temporary and do not build your natural immunity. This is a 20 minute IV treatment, and the effects only last perhaps a month….It is not a long term solution to Covid. Only the vaccine does that. There is also a very short supply of the stuff.

    From the Florida health dept website…on Regeneron.

    “Individuals 12 years and older who are high-risk, that have contracted or been exposed to COVID-19, are eligible for this treatment.”

  143. Juice Box says:

    Bystander – How about Libya for starters?

    Overthrow of Gaddafi’s government and Hillary cackling “We came, we saw, he died.”….The country has been in chaos since 2011. Obama probably did not plan to ruin Libya for a generation but it was done on his watch along with his wingman Joe Biden.

  144. Juice Box says:

    meanwhile back in Talibanistan..

    On Thursday, shots were fired at an Italian military transport plane as it flew out of Kabul airport, a source from Italy’s defence ministry said. No damage to the plane was reported.

    A suicide bomber blew themselves up in the canal outside Kabul Airport where many people were gathered desperately trying to get access to evacuation flights,another explosion just reported at Hotel the British were using…

  145. crushednjmillenial says:

    The public’s frustration with our public health officials . . .

    On the flip-flopping of health officials. I thought this was a pretty good summary of the shifting narratives stated as scientific fact throughout this pandemic, which destroyed much of the public’s trust in public health officials. I don’t agree with every word, but this issue was the undefined sense of what happened that I had myself


  146. JCer says:

    Bystander, Libya, Tunisia, and Ukraine. It was covert in the case of Ukraine, America funded and supported the revolution. There were american mercenaries paid by the us cia fighting. If you understood the politics there you’d understand how badly Obama messed up, it could have been avoided, Yanakovitch was interested in only money all we needed to do there was outbid the Russians. Obama through US CIA interventions started a lot of conflicts. He was possibly one of the worst presidents in US history and messed up a good portion of the world due to his ideological meddling.

  147. Juice Box says:

    Yemen too in 2009 that was the year of Obama’s first drone strike there, that war began under President Obama too part of the Arab Spring…. Bush had conducted only a single strike in Yemen back in 2002.

  148. Juice Box says:

    Reports now say “US Personnel” are among those wounded in the attack at the Kabul Airport..

  149. Bystander says:

    That is a new war? Bombing is not a “new war”. We bomb all the time. In fact, Trump did the first airstrike in Syria by US. I agree to criticism that bombing without any follow-up plan to stabilize situation created. That is valid problem with Obama Libya approach but not new war. Don’t put boots on ground for generations. That is what we have to avoid.


    If I want to know what brand of petroleum jelly works best for keeping teenage t&ts up in a beauty paegent, I know which president to go to. Obama had 8 years of judgment to Trump’s 4..and those 4 contained the worst presidency of all time. Lay it all at Obama’s feet for all world problems. We get the schtick of the right. The right comes in and solves it just by being there..ahh.

  150. Juice Box says:

    Bystander – Building a straw man? Ask the people of Cambodia who were bombed by Nixon if that was a War. Ask the people in Yemen what they thought when they saw a US aircraft drop a JDAM bomb or a drone fired a hellfire into their home if that was a war or not.

    You my friend are also misled or perhaps blinded by your rage against the Orange Palaptine… re: “Trump did the first airstrike in Syria by US.”

    I will pick just the year 2016..We won’t cover the entire Obama presidency..

    In just ONE YEAR 2016 (before Trump was president, as he was inaugurated Jan 21st 2017). Obama’s war machine was dropping on average 72 bombs every day on the following countries Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan Those estimates are low too…

    Libya War Obama Started on 2011
    Yemen War Obama started bombing 2009
    Somalia War Obama escalated
    Pakistan (war on terror action) Obama messed up here too…

    Here is a map of the bombings in just 2016….26,171 bombs were dropped all over, ask the families of those civilians including children that were killed by Obama’s bombs if that was a war or not.


  151. crushednjmillenial says:

    Gottheimer wore a bulletproof vest to go to Bill Pascrell’s birthday party at Duffy’s bar in Paterson?

    That’s some silly stuff there, if true.

  152. Bystander says:


    I will bow out. You are now broadening view of US war way too much to have discussion. Not that I disagree on impacts to those people.

  153. Bystander says:

    Fact:Trump initiated first airstrike target against Syrian govt..new war I say.

  154. Juice Box says:

    Lucky for you, as I was saving the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, there were no Japanese boots on the ground, so not a war….

    Look the real issue here is Congress, they have abrogated their responsibility since the AUMF in 2001 after 9/11. Many of those folks are still in Washington DC, one is the Speaker of the House, another is the Senate Majority Leader and another the President of the United States. Plenty of others on the other side of the isle too like Patrick Leahy…

    The Boomers need to go, either to the retirement home or a dirt nap.

    Tigers cannot change their stripes no matter what they say..

  155. Juice Box says:

    Syria, Libya, Yemen, Egypt etc massive policy failure on Obama’s part during the Arab Spring. He truly believed democracy would take over, boy was he wrong…just like Biden in July and the Afghanistan Army and Government taking over….Look we are seven months in and the place is a mess. I say pull all troops home and keep them out. They will sort them selves out eventually, just like Vietnam did after we withdrew, they settled on a one-party system just like the middle east. It won’t be democracy however, their culture does not embrace it and it cannot be forced.

  156. BRT says:

    Regeneron is effective at preventing infection and speeding recovery. If you have obtained the virus and beat it while on Regeneron, you have likely developed long lasting immunity as the virus has officially entered your system. The same for the vaccines. The vaccines are proving that their efficacy fades over time as well. The reality is, telling people to get vaccinated then mask up are two ideas that are not compatible unless you fall into a certain at risk category. You gain long lasting immunity through continual exposure and the best time is to be exposed is when you are at maximum antibody count.

  157. BRT says:

    There’s no winning. Even when democracy took over, Palestine elected Hamas and our politicians flipped a lid on that.

  158. Bystander says:


    Civils wars in South America, the Shah of Iran..US wars taht led to unrest. Discuss amongst yourselves.

  159. Juice Box says:

    re: new war I say.

    Boots on ground in 2014 and bombings I say…

    You think arming and training 5,000 Syrian rebels isn’t a war? Who do you think were protecting those rebels and our US soldiers who were training them. It was not the Russian air force, that is for sure.

    At the direction of U.S. President Barack Obama, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was put in charge of operations worth about $1 billion annually to arm anti-government forces in Syria, an operation which formally began in 2013, more than two years after the start of the civil war in 2011.

  160. Bystander says:


    Make whatever definition you want, training soldiers is different then conducting military operations with US troops. I think you can see that, but you don’t want to.

  161. Juice Box says:

    Bystander – if Assad’s regime had fell in 2014 Obama would have declared victory. That was not the case however. We can achieve victory in a war without boots on the ground. Again congress is at fault here they gave Obama billions to arm and train people some who were even known terrorists etc to topple Assad. It failed Assad is still there and we still have 900 boots on the ground US Servicemen who are in harms way today because Obama could not see past his own arrogance.

  162. Bystander says:

    We still have serviceman all over the globe, freaking 30k in S. Korea. Are we conducting military operations like Iraq and Aghanistan? Do you want to see difference or not?

  163. leftwing says:


    “The US finds itself in a situation unimaginable two weeks ago. No forward operating capability and relying upon one terrorist organization [Taliban] to protect itself from a second terrorist organization [ISIS-K].”

    Unusual bout of honesty from the Peacock…….

  164. BRT says:

    The public’s frustration with our public health officials . . .

    On the flip-flopping of health officials. I thought this was a pretty good summary of the shifting narratives stated as scientific fact throughout this pandemic, which destroyed much of the public’s trust in public health officials. I don’t agree with every word, but this issue was the undefined sense of what happened that I had myself


    The public health officials are guilty of supposed white lies, flip flopping, poor communication, constructing regulation that made no sense, being wrong and not admitting it, overstepping their authority on doctor patient relationships, stonewalling potential clinical trials on repurposed antivirals, outright lying on many issues, refusing to acknowledge immunity from recovery, ignoring scientific data and putting forth conflicting messages. They no longer have any credibility in many circles. And believe me, the scientific and medical community are disgusted with them but unable to put their neck on line with a crazy media and existing cancel culture.

  165. leftwing says:


    “The US finds itself in a situation unimaginable two weeks ago. No forward operating capability and relying upon one terr0rist organization [Tal1ban] to protect itself from a second terr0rist organization [lSlS-K].”

    Unusual bout of honesty from the Peac0ck…….

  166. grim says:

    Rt down to 1.17 today, still improving, but slowly.

    Hoping we’re on the downslope by the first day of school in 2 weeks.

    Delta peak not so peaky here.

  167. leftwing says:

    Wow, Biden meet bus tires….


    “The President has stated that any attack on US forces would be met swiftly and forcefully. US forces have just been attacked.”

    NBC also reports that intelligence weeks ago indicated ISIS-K, ‘mortal’ enemies of the Taliban, should be expected to try to disrupt any exit….

  168. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    One of desantis’ admirable qualities is that he’s Unapologetic. The left hates him for it but it’s as close to authentic as you can get with a politician I believe. N95 is a non starter in most circumstances. Especially kids. So what’s the point.

    The ny state death count cover up is shocking. Wanton criminality. Barely a blip from fake news. Though they are probably busy trashing Desantis for preserving rights from the mandate zealots.

  169. leftwing says:

    Pentagon reporting ‘a number’ of US servicemen killed….

  170. BRT says:

    grim, we were running in person school when NJ was running 7k new cases a day. There were no issues. Kids tested positive here and there. Covid was running through my students via sports/parties big time in May. In fact, most schools outside of Pumps district and Montclair finally came back by March/April when cases were still much higher than they are today.

  171. leftwing says:

    “All is fair in love and war…. They are firing subpoenas up on the Hill for documents on Trump’s mental health this week.”

    Dear L0rd, they can’t be this stupid…but then it is the Dems…..please. please, please put TRUMP’s mental health front and center with stumblin’, bumblin’ Joe now having Marine blood on his hands…..

    That’s good for a percentage point or two in swing country….you know, where people’s political views actually matter.

  172. leftwing says:

    “By, the questions dems should be asking is that why did every Dem candidate that was beating Biden suddenly drop out and endorse him?”

    You mean the exodus immediately BEFORE Super Tuesday occurred?

    Silly Rabbit….

    Dems don’t need answers, they executed the operation. Despite making some modifications to the Super Delegates at the convention the DNC still controls who is selected as candidate. No one’s vote matters.

    There are no questions….contenders were told it was going to be Joe. Run to the finish line, break the tape, medal still goes to Joe.

    Also, don’t forget, this was after they fired the warning shot over the bow….the inability to count ballots to declare a winner in the all important Iowa caucuses before NH……

    Questions. lol? Not when your in on the scheme.

  173. leftwing says:

    For those who forget how Bernie got ‘berned’ twice…..

    After Hillary was roundly embarrassed in the general and the Left wing of the Party made the Super Delegates an issue they cosmetically reduced the number and removed them from the first vote.

    Push comes to shove, Party insiders determine the nominee….not in a smoke filled room, but right out in the open.

    You guys keep going to the Dem primaries and pulling a lever though like it matters, lol.


  174. BRT says:

    Btw, what ever happened to the crime wave against Asian Americans? Was that ever true or just sensationalized every time an Asian was a victim of a crime?

  175. grim says:

    Is there an online gambling site I can bet on the US reversing decision and pushing back into Afghanistan full force?

  176. chicagofinance says:

    eeek…. kind of nasty.

    Even Democrats and their media allies now acknowledge that the Biden administration’s handling of Afghanistan has been a debacle. The horrifying, heartbreaking pictures are impossible for Americans, our allies or our enemies to forget.

    Set aside the question of whether the U.S. should have left. Either way, it’s clear Mr. Biden didn’t plan even minimally for the secure evacuation of U.S. Embassy staff, American citizens or Afghan allies. It took until Wednesday for the administration to estimate how many Americans are in-country, offering a number which was far below previous reported estimates and that Secretary of State Antony Blinken still characterized as “likely to be out of date by the time we leave this briefing room” when he announced it to the press. The Biden administration’s execution of the Special Immigrant Visa program for Afghans who fought alongside us was a slow-moving disaster. It was also a grave betrayal.

    There was clearly no close consultation with allies, no response to the Taliban’s moving to topple the Afghan government, and no plan to retrieve sophisticated U.S. war-fighting equipment. Inexplicably, what kept the Taliban in check—the threat of Americans flying out from Bagram Air Base to rain down hell—was among the first instruments of U.S. power to be withdrawn.

  177. chicagofinance says:


    Our rivals—China, Russia and Iran—are gleefully demolishing any remaining American influence in the region, while our radical Islamist enemies are exulting at victory over the Great Satan and enjoying a huge recruiting boost.

    This disaster has revealed grave structural weaknesses in the administration, from Mr. Biden to his White House staff to his cabinet.

    A president sets the tone for his administration by how he acts, what he requires of subordinates, and what practices he insists on. Apparently, Mr. Biden didn’t require detailed planning for this major policy initiative. He announced his goal—the U.S. out of Afghanistan on the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, later changed to Aug. 31—but the execution was supported only by wishful thinking.

  178. chicagofinance says:


    Done right, this sort of military withdrawal would have required the president to insist on robust, cross-agency planning. It appears he didn’t. Mr. Biden should have asked tough questions about what was needed for the Afghan government to hold on or to form an agreement to protect human rights if it couldn’t. He didn’t. Regular briefings—on the intelligence on the ground, reactions of allies, status of the planning—were necessary. But were they held? And if they were, did the president pay attention to them? It certainly doesn’t look like it.

    Then there’s the White House staff. If they’re worth their salt, they need to anticipate possible challenges to the president’s goals, not just react to each crisis. They must supervise successful interagency planning, pushing cabinet officials to bring disagreements to the surface, and present options to the president. They must juggle simultaneous challenging events, husbanding the president’s time and building the nation’s confidence in him by making certain he appears in charge—and hopefully is. In the case of Afghanistan, none of this seems to have been done—or done well—by the Biden team. That’s not reassuring as to their ability to handle the next crisis, which is sure to come.

  179. chicagofinance says:


    Finally, there are Vice President Kamala Harris and the cabinet. With the exception of steering Mr. Biden away from his original 9/11 target date, they haven’t apparently told him bad news, raised th0rny questions, or demonstrated industriousness in executing their parts of the administration’s policy. There’s scant evidence that planning the Afghanistan retreat dominated their schedules, thinking or energy.

  180. chicagofinance says:

    Why didn’t the State Department ramp up the special visa program for Afghan allies when Mr. Biden announced the withdrawal April 14? Where were Pentagon leaders in devising a sensible plan for withdrawal of troops and war materiel in a way that safeguarded the civilian evacuation and gave Afghans a chance to survive a Taliban onslaught? Where was the interagency process critical to keeping the government coordinated? If the White House didn’t demand such a process, why didn’t appropriate cabinet members?

    Thank God for the American military, whose skill and courage will likely allow them to complete the evacuation of U.S. nationals in spite of the White House’s mishandling of the withdrawal. Still, that makes a tragic situation only somewhat less tragic.

    The weaknesses that have plagued Mr. Biden’s Afghan response can also be seen in his handling of other issues, like the southern border. If these habits don’t change, there will be more debacles in the country’s future. The perception among voters is bound to grow—as it did with Jimmy Carter —that Mr. Biden simply isn’t up to the task.

    We’re not there yet, but the botched Afghanistan withdrawal was a large step in that direction. By itself it won’t cripple the Biden presidency. But it has left it badly limping.

  181. chicagofinance says:

    it was the word TH0RNY

  182. JCer says:

    Wow bystander, your Obama love and Trump hate have truly blinded you to the realities. There is a huge difference between foreign bases invited by foreign governments who are there to maintain security, not engaged in combat nor training a clandestine force to overthrow the government of said country.

    When the CIA destabilizes a country and we train rebels, some of whom are literally from the worst groups(card carrying n@sis in Ukraine and jihadis in Syria) it is a bit different than peace keeping forces

    There is no way you can be this dense, the cognitive dissonance has full grip of you. Juice has given ample examples of Obama’s botched and reckless foreign policy failures and escalations, your counterpoints make literally no sense.

    Make no mistake GWB was a war monger who got us further engaged in Middle East conflict but Obama escalated almost every conflict and started a bunch of new ones trying to democratize the Middle East.

  183. Ex says:

    Circling the drain

  184. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Why you should avoid politics. Everyone and their mother crying about Biden. Yea, it’s all his fault. I thought he was sleepy joe. So it’s all on one guy right now? Comical.

    So what was the correct way to leave this country? Taliban took over in 3 days, means zero resistance. We were in Afghanistan how long trying to eliminate them? Russia before us. This guy pulls us out and now it’s his fault the place was a mess? It was always a mess..

  185. The Great Pumpkin says:

    What i was implying with that last paragraph…taliban survived american and Russian occupation because they RESISTED. This debacle is on all the individuals who were trained to protect their nation and didn’t do a damn thing besides stand down. That’s weak. Freedom has a cost. You have to stand up for freedom, american can’t make it happen if you don’t want it.

  186. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – The criticism is the withdrawal was done all wrong. Troops all left first in the middle of the night a month ago….then we had to rush back in with troops to hold the commercial airport in the city of Kabul. We should have kept Bagram Air Base. It’s just north of Kabul and would have been a better staging ground for an evac as it was hardened already against attacks and had man traps etc to prevent suicide bombers from getting in.


    This can go very very south now, the ISIS suicide bombers and armed gunmen got by the Taliban checkpoints (where they were shaking down everyone for money) and just killed and injured many people. They will be emboldened to do it again.

  187. Juice Box says:

    BTE the checkmark brigade is now saying we could not have defended Bagram Air Base!!! I am not sure who is more delusional. These folks or the other ones now claiming ISIS does not exist!


  188. The Great Pumpkin says:


    It’s called we either leave or occupy. Can’t have it both ways. No matter what, it was going to be a mess when we left. Why were so many people cheering Trump for setting this plan to leave in motion? Now they care? Wtf?! Politics is wild..it’s complete madness.

  189. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – I can take you places just down the hill from Wayne where some don’t want “freedom” especially for women and celebrated 9/11 in the streets. You do know the government is now landing 9,000 refugees at McGuire/Ft. Dix as we speak. Many are going to be your neighbor is a week or so….The NGOs will pick them up because they get cash to move them and give them housing vouchers…Imagine going from there to here overnight? It’s like winning the lottery.. At least there might be some good restaurants to enjoy… If you have some towels, bedding, small appliances to donate they are needed, as most of the housing they will be given will be bare. I bet you can rent an APT to them easy peasy.

  190. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – I will remind you what occurred in 2014. Trump just took the band aid off and said we are leaving in May this year and then was voted out, was not his withdrawal plan ( he could not have devised one on his best day anyway). Biden could have stayed. There was nobody to stop him from doing so, the withdrawal is completely up to the president. They military only responds to his wishes…

  191. ReadDude says:

    Juice Box, you are exactly right, See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khe_Sanh

    BTW, there would be no battle over our exit if we have deadly, capable over-watch around the city managed out of Bagram. The US Military has trained for exactly that contingency continually for decades.

  192. Juice Box says:

    There will be 17,000 refugees packed into Ramstein air base in Germany by tonight..

    Final Destination will be NJ….or Wisconsin….by next week…..

  193. JCer says:

    Juice, dead right on bagram air base, what kind of idiots eliminate their air support and hardened facilities before they are totally out. Even if you couldn’t get the people to the base, the base could be used strategically to support missions on the ground. No matter how you look at it we should have held it until the last man was out.

  194. Juice Box says:

    re: Khe Sanh…..

    You think the Taliban and ISIS had any chance of marching up the two separate roads built by the Russians that we then built walled defenses around? We held it for 20 years….Best they could do in 20 years was lob mortars at night and run before the Apaches and C-130 gunships took them out. There were few suicide attacks but this was no Khe Sahn..

  195. JCer says:

    Juice, absolutely right, the taliban could not breach a us defended airbase, it’s a defensible position that plays into all of their weaknesses and our strengths. Vs fighting in the wilderness or cities which play to their strengths and our weaknesses. They would pay a heavy cost for even attempting s as siege on the airbase.

  196. No One says:

    If the Taliban set up a new mineral or gas business in a joint venture with the Chinese in Afghanistan, will Hunter Biden be hired as a board member or will they just buy some of his artwork for their new boardroom?

  197. Bystander says:

    Wow JCer, you are lost man. We were invited to Korea now..priceless. Could have sworn there was a bloody US battle for years and led to that friendly little zone. Time is amazing thing. Just keep on remembering Dumpy high on your brain mantle. One term losers are not remembersed so well..sorry.

  198. Juice Box says:

    JCer- Those roads to east and west from Kabul north to Bagram even have google telemetry on driving times, it’s about 30 miles. Newark airport for me is further. At one point during the war we had 40,000 people protected and supplied there. Bureaucrats, administrators, logisticians and thousands of civilian contractors lived at Bagram air base all well protected while it was under nearly constant attack..

    Imagine being in the military and trying to defend Newark airport from attack by the flimsy defenses…Kabul airport is just as tiny and surrounded by housing, no clear line of sight.


  199. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Again, I don’t think the President is the one coming up with an evacuation plan.

    I thought he was sleepy joe anyway, only there, a puppet being told what to do..right? So now he all of a sudden is the master of this plan evacuation? Again, you would have had the same result with whoever the President was.

  200. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – What evacuation plan? We were told six weeks ago by Sleepy Joe there the locals were going to defend it would be be fine no need to tell the foreign civilians to leave and all, even though the Taliban were busy marching on Kabul.

  201. Bystander says:

    Wow, when Blumpy makes more sense than most here, it sure is a bizarre day. As I read today:

    Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan.

    John F. Kennedy

  202. The Great Pumpkin says:


    I honestly hate politics right now. You have tax payer money being wasted on court cases involving masks in schools. What a joke. Same thing how the vaccine was made political. They will turn anything into a divisive issue. It’s bs. Let’s all grow up. Attacking each other doesn’t make america great again. We all hate each other because of trump politics. It’s a joke.

    I supported trump at some points, but now, he really made a mess of this country in his last year in office. Too many people hate each other..

  203. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And they wonder why so many people are unhappy and depressed. Let the kids be kids before we introduce them to the subjects that make adults so unhappy and depressed. Some people need to relax with the kids. Let them be free from this bs till they go to college. In college they can learn all about these depressing issues, but no need to make focus on this bs. Just let them be happy while they are still a kid, but that’s too much to ask for…so many parents out there brainwashing them with bs only adults should worry about.

    “What’s Next For Private Schools?
    Protests over curricula, battles on social media—the culture wars got rough at private schools last year. But now it’s time for kids to go back to class. Here’s what to expect at drop-off.”


  204. JCer says:

    Bystander the South Koreans definitely want us there, same with the Germans. We provide a defense from existential threats(North Korean and Russia).

    Biden told the damn military to vacate prior to 9/11 that is why we have a botched plan. You more than anyone should realize what happens to a project when fixed timelines are put in place forcing rushed planning. The airbase definitely could have been held it is in a defensible position, has defenses and would have been useful for any kind of ops required to safely get our people out.

    When you find yourself agreeing with pumps it’s likely time to reassess.

  205. 3b says:

    There was plenty of intelligence stating the Afghan government would fall quickly. Back in July the Taliban was rolling through one provincial city after another. Biden and his admission own this; however, I honestly don’t think he knows what’s going on.

  206. 3b says:

    Jcer We gave the airbase back in July. It had two run ways
    as opposed to Kabul airport with just one. That is absolute stupidity! Is Trump to blame for that too?

  207. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lol…I’m going to get you guys a punching bag with a pumpkin face on it. Have a feeling it would wonders on people’s level of happiness. Feeling down, go take it on pumpkin.

    “When you find yourself agreeing with pumps it’s likely time to reassess”

  208. Ex says:

    Referring to “yourself” in the third person
    Is a sign of deeeeep mental illness.

  209. The Great Pumpkin says:


    I guess I’m lucky I don’t do comedy for a living? Lol

  210. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bloomberg Wealth: It’s Never Been a Better Time to Be a Landlord

    Remember those stories you used to hear about home-buying mania? Get ready for tales from the rental side.

    The U.S. is witnessing the biggest increase in tenants in history. In July, the rental occupancy rate hit 97%, allowing landlords to flex unprecedented pricing power. People who signed new leases last month paid 17% more than the prior renter, the highest surge on record.

    This Businessweek feature dives into the situation: Leases are being signed within hours, tenants rejected multiple times are being forced to stay in hotels and experts are calling the country’s shortage of affordable rentals “the worst since at least the post-World War II period.”

    Why the squeeze? A ton of people are searching for rentals right now. The suburban home price surge means that Americans who want a backyard and more space but can’t afford a down payment are renting. Remote work is giving people flexibility, while others delayed moves during the pandemic.

    Some renters are higher earners who historically would have made enough money to buy a home. The average income of new lease signers in July hit a record of $69,252. Rents are soaring in places like Phoenix (up by 16.5% in June) and Las Vegas (12.9%).

    Wall Street and major companies are looking to profit.


  211. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Tesla has filed to become an electricity provider in Texas according to CNBC $TSLA”

  212. The Great Pumpkin says:

    A bet on tesla is a bet on Musk. It’s a winning bet.

    Don’t be fools and short something you don’t understand.

  213. Chicago says:

    WASH­ING­TON—The Supreme Court on Thurs­day lifted the lat­est fed­eral ban on evic­tions dur­ing the Covid-19 pan­demic, a swift le­gal blow against a mora­to­rium the Biden ad­min­is­tra­tion im­posed this month de­spite ques­tions about its le­gal­ity. Three lib­eral jus­tices dis­sented.

  214. crushednjmillenial says:

    Scotus gets its correct on the CDC eviction moratorium – the proper body to authorize such a thing, if anybody could, is Congress, not the CDC.

    So, the federal eviction moratorium is dead. Will be interesting to see if Congress will enact a new federal one – they punted last time, so it seems like Dem congressional leadership doesn’t want to force a vote on this issue.

    NJ tenants still protected due to the state eviction moratorium. In its current iteration, the NJ state eviction moratorium was passed by the legislature and signed by the Governor – very different than when it was just the Governor asserting emergency executive powers. Higher-earning tenants lose NJ state eviction protection on Aug. 31. Lower-earning tenants lose NJ state eviction protection on Dec. 31, unless it gets extended by the legislature.

  215. PumpkinFace says:

    I’m no fool. I bet everything on something I don’t understand.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    August 26, 2021 at 10:15 pm
    A bet on tesla is a bet on Musk. It’s a winning bet.

    Don’t be fools and short something you don’t understand.

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