Great time to be a landlord in NJ

From the Record:

Tangled relationship: Renters stop paying amid pandemic, forcing small landlords into bind

Elena Walczyk had a buyer lined up to purchase the mobile home in Cape May County that she and her husband had rented out for years. But when Walczyk, 59, gave her tenant notice to terminate their lease about four months ago, the tenant stopped paying her $350 monthly rent and water bills, Walczyk said, estimating the renter now owes more than $2,100. 

As a result, Walczyk had to borrow approximately $1,000 from her 86-year-old mother to make her property tax payments, utilities and insurance on time, something she said is “unacceptable.”

Since March 2020, New Jersey banned evictions in order to keep families safe and housed even if they weren’t able to make rent payments, especially as Garden State businesses experienced mass layoffs in the wake of government-mandated business closures. Walczyk’s renter said she lost her retail job after the pandemic started.

But these protections left many small landlords without income and struggling to cover costs due. Towns didn’t give landlords a property tax holiday: If they didn’t make their scheduled payments, homeowners risked penalties or liens on their properties.

New Jersey is relying on distributing rental assistance to landlords to make them whole, but the process has been slow: Since the end of July, agencies passed out less than 25% of the more than $1 billion allocated by the federal government.

And to receive rental assistance, landlords need tenants to cooperate and sign off on the application, something several landlords told NorthJersey.com their tenants refused to do.

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147 Responses to Great time to be a landlord in NJ

  1. Hold my beer says:

    First y’all

  2. grim says:

    Chicago says:
    August 26, 2021 at 11:01 pm

    WASH­ING­TON—The Supreme Court on Thurs­day lifted the lat­est fed­eral ban on evic­tions dur­ing the Covid-19 pan­demic, a swift le­gal blow against a mora­to­rium the Biden ad­min­is­tra­tion im­posed this month de­spite ques­tions about its le­gal­ity. Three lib­eral jus­tices dis­sented.

    And ISIS claims responsibility for killing 13 marines. So much for a presidency predicated on “anyone but Trump”.

  3. Hold my beer says:

    If those Florida hospitals run out of oxygen, Florida can zoom up in the death per capita standings

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/68-florida-hospitals-could-run-out-of-oxygen-in-two-days-amid-covid-surge/ar-AANNoLr

  4. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Even bigger news this week is the courts told Biden he has to justify why he ended the stay in Mexico policy in the middle of a pandemic. Off course it was too good the country with third worlders who will be dependent on democrat programs but they’ll never bring that to court.

    That senile old bsstard is getting slapped around everywhere he turns.

  5. grim says:

    We still trying to blame the covid outbreak in the south on illegals?

  6. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    I thought you couldn’t possibly be any more reckless and irresponsible than opening your borders during an pandemic. Then I watched what has transpired in Afghanistan.

    But no one really knows how much illegals are contributing to the cases here and that’s the point. They are compromising so ongoing health measures for political purposes.

  7. Fast Eddie says:

    Democrats, don’t let this minor distraction in the Middle East sway you and your supporters from your mission and what’s really important: Fair equity and equality for all; LGGBTQQIAAAPPK Agender, Bigender, Trigender, Pangender, Polygender, Cis, Gender Apathetic and Demigender rights; ending white privileged s.upremacy and their leaders such as Larry Elder and of course, bringing Trump to justice for orchestrating the Capital Erect1on.

  8. SmallGovConservative says:

    Looks like most of the Dem stooges have slithered away and are smartly staying quiet. Not surprised to see that Bi is the one still fighting — and only a bit surprising that he’s decided to climb into a foxhole with the king of gibberish, Punkin, to defend SlowJoe. I’ll keep you in my thoughts Bi, that one day you might overcome your TDS and get back to just whining about your job — and in fairness, occasionally offering some interesting insights on the job market.

    Hard to believe that just a year ago in the middle east, Iran was neutralized, Taliban and Al-Qaeda were silent, ISIS was an afterthought, little girls were going to school in Afghanistan, and we were all celebrating (except for the Dem stooges) the peace deals between Israel and multiple Arab countries. Flash forward to today and the middle east is on fire — Iran causing trouble throughout the region, suicide bombings and dead American soldiers in Afghanistan, girls and women back to be treated like dirt, and wars simmering between Israel and Iran’s proxies. And people like Bi trying to tell us that we’re better off with Joe — truly delusional!

  9. grim says:

    But no one really knows how much illegals are contributing to the cases here and that’s the point.

    Likely not material from a statistical perspective.

  10. Fast Eddie says:

    But don’t worry, the media will sway the muppet masses away from this heart wrenching disaster and this will be old news in a few weeks. Isn’t that right, democrats?

    And I wonder how the new democrat voter mills at the southern boarder is going? The democrats must be harvesting 50,000 undocumented lever pullers a day!!

  11. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    From a philosophical standpoint one American dying because a COVID carrier jumped the border is too many. And of course that’s happened.

    The US doesn’t exist to be a landing spot for every optimist from every corner of the world. It’s simply not practical if you operate in reality.

  12. Jim says:

    Landlords all across NJ are getting shafted, some of the stories I read are just heartbreaking. Fortunately not one of my tenants has tried to cheat me. Phil Murphy does not care about the landlords, but loves the non paying deadbeat tenants. Finally the supreme court has voted in favor of the law abiding tax paying owners .YEA!!!
    Even the NJEA cares about the landlords because they love the taxes all landowners have to pay. It will take years for the landlords to recover, NJ will never be business friendly.

  13. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Opportunist

  14. 3b says:

    Not a post or a peep on FB from my liberal family and friends, absolutely nothing. If this happened under Trump, they would be outraged.

  15. grim says:

    From a philosophical standpoint one American dying because a COVID carrier jumped the border is too many. And of course that’s happened.

    One American dying because someone refused to be vaccinated is one too many.

  16. The Great Pumpkin says:

    A bet on tesla is a bet on Musk. It’s a winning bet.

    If you think I’m a fool, then short tesla and ark funds hard. Easy bet, correct? Good luck.

    PumpkinFace says:
    August 27, 2021 at 12:11 am
    I’m no fool. I bet everything on something I don’t understand.

  17. Fast Eddie says:

    We had Hanoi Jane and now we have Kabul Joe.

  18. Fast Eddie says:

    3b,

    The mission was to get the Orange man out. Everything that’s happening now both domestically and abroad is Trump’s fault. We have an experienced and savvy politician in charge now.

  19. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    I don’t disagree personally, people at risk solid be vaccinated. But we live in a free country not an authoritarian health state. If you choose to risk your health and remain unvaccinated for a disease with a minuscule mortality rate I support the right to do so.

    If you start discriminating against people who make poor health decisions where do you stop? Round up the overweight people?

  20. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “tell me lies, sweet little lies”

    This passage is gibberish..

    “Hard to believe that just a year ago in the middle east, Iran was neutralized, Taliban and Al-Qaeda were silent, ISIS was an afterthought, little girls were going to school in Afghanistan, and we were all celebrating (except for the Dem stooges) the peace deals between Israel and multiple Arab countries. Flash forward to today and the middle east is on fire — Iran causing trouble throughout the region, suicide bombings and dead American soldiers in Afghanistan, girls and women back to be treated like dirt, and wars simmering between Israel and Iran’s proxies. And people like Bi trying to tell us that we’re better off with Joe — truly delusional!”

  21. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You realize you are at war with a virus, right? You do know how this works, correct? If so, why are you taking it so lightly? Just keep letting it mutate, nothing to worry about. Who needs vaccines for this weak virus…smh

    BidenIsTheGOAT says:
    August 27, 2021 at 9:09 am
    I don’t disagree personally, people at risk solid be vaccinated. But we live in a free country not an authoritarian health state. If you choose to risk your health and remain unvaccinated for a disease with a minuscule mortality rate I support the right to do so.

    If you start discriminating against people who make poor health decisions where do you stop? Round up the overweight people?

  22. Fast Eddie says:

    Let’s recap. Democrat successes thus far:

    – Open boarders
    – Defunding the police
    – Arming the terror1sts to become the fifth largest military in the world

  23. SmallGovConservative says:

    Show of hands, how many believe that Joe will follow through on his vow from yesterday’s drunken press conference will actually “…hunt you [ISIS] down and make you pay”? Not me.

    To extend the drinking theme, the United States under Biden right now is actually very much like an alcoholic, staggering from one catastrophe to another, but unfortunately not yet anywhere near rock bottom. It’s honestly difficult to imagine another 3+ years of Biden/Harris/Blinken/Austin/Milley.

  24. grim says:

    Taliban assures us they will deal with terrorists. They are going to send out the Taliban Diversity and Equality squads to re-educate them in the way of inclusive government.

  25. Ex says:

    I’m glad that you can find a reason to gloat in the face of tragedy.
    Speaks volumes for your character and mental health.

  26. BRT says:

    Israel study concludes that vaccinated individuals are 13x more likely to be infected and 27x more likely to be symptomatic in relation to individuals who naturally recovered.

  27. grim says:

    Cue the vaccinated delta exposure parties

  28. BRT says:

    Eddie, on the virus, my position is that you couldn’t stop the spread in our country if you tried. That being said, if we applied the same logic that was applied to the orange man, Biden should be ashamed for having a Delta wave grow nationally to these proportions when we essentially had all 50 states at baseline a few months back. And this time, it all happened before Sturgis…no boogeyman to blame this time.

  29. Fast Eddie says:

    I’m glad that you can find a reason to gloat in the face of tragedy.
    Speaks volumes for your character and mental health.

    Peter Alexander: “Sir, what will you do if Americans are still there after the deadline?”

    O’Biden: “You’ll be the first person I’ll call”

    What was that thing you said about mental health?

  30. grim says:

    What the recovery durability data is indirectly telling us, is that the assumptions we had about extent of community exposure were wildly overestimated. Looking across the US, big spikes in the south now, were far more likely to be because they didn’t actually see widespread exposure earlier. Increased transmissibility of delta is going to illustrate those gaps.

  31. The Great Pumpkin says:

    BRT,

    Why is it so difficult to advocate for using the vaccine as a means of helping people? I don’t get it, help me understand.

  32. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Does a coronavirus infection provide protective immunity?

    An infection causes the immune system to respond to and recognize the coronavirus. After getting the virus, most people have detectable antibodies, health experts say. Though other arms of the immune system might become involved, studies so far suggest that the key to fighting the virus correlates with the production of antibodies.
    Though protection is decent for those who have previously had COVID-19, health experts say it is not as strong as when people get vaccinated.
    “So that’s why there is that recommendation that despite having had COVID before, for full protection the vaccination is the best way to go,” said Dr. Lisa Maragakis, senior director for infection prevention at Johns Hopkins.
    A prior infection offers protection in the range of 80%, compared to about 95% for the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, said Dr. John Wherry, director of the Institute for Immunology at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. That means about 15 to 20 out of every 100 people who have previously had COVID-19 could get reinfected, while 5 out of every 100 people who got an mRNA vaccine might get infected.
    People with more severe infections appear to have stronger antibody responses than those who had milder or asymptomatic infections, Maragakis said. In addition, she said, the status of a person’s immune system can also dictate the quantity of antibodies and the quality of their antibody response. For example, immunosuppressed people might not mount an antibody response after being infected with COVID-19 or after getting vaccinated.
    Lab studies suggest that protection following a case of COVID-19 begins to wane slightly after about three months, but can last for up to 10 months, although there’s a range to that, Wherry said.
    “We see some people with mild COVID infections where their immunity wanes more quickly over time, or they don’t have as much coverage, and that is protection from variants. And we see people who have mild COVID that have lower levels of antibodies than you would get from vaccination,” Wherry said. “So there’s a wider range and it’s difficult to know where you are on that range from natural infection.”
    Scientists still don’t know as much about the durability of immunity as they would like, he said. What they expect based on coronaviruses that existed prior to SARS-CoV-2 is that antibodies decline over time.

    https://whyy.org/articles/what-immunity-did-having-covid-19-give-me-do-i-still-need-a-vaccine/

  33. grim says:

    The new Israeli data refutes that article.

  34. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So basically the virus mutation is moving quickly. Doesn’t mean vaccines are useless and should not be taken. Had the rest of the world all used vaccines, this new mutation would most likely have never come about and Israel would be fine right now. That’s what the anti vax community can’t understand.

    grim says:
    August 27, 2021 at 10:04 am
    The new Israeli data refutes that article

  35. BRT says:

    Why is it so difficult to advocate for using the vaccine as a means of helping people? I don’t get it, help me understand.

    I know you don’t get it. Because you have no ability to connected two dots. If you’ve recovered from Covid, there is no benefit in getting vaccinated and the public health officials should be equating those people with those who are vaccinated. If you have not had Covid, then by all means, get vaccinated.

  36. Bystander says:

    Typical Small, a day late and a few brain cells short. At least I can entertain somewhat, you don’t at all. I would call you a one trick pony but a pony is much smarter.

  37. grim says:

    I know you don’t get it. Because you have no ability to connected two dots. If you’ve recovered from Covid, there is no benefit in getting vaccinated and the public health officials should be equating those people with those who are vaccinated. If you have not had Covid, then by all means, get vaccinated.

    Yes, but translating this into actual real-world practice is far more difficult than simply mandating vaccines.

  38. BRT says:

    Every piece of data the entire year refutes that article. These people are equating immunity to measurable antibody levels and concluding you have more immunity from the vaccine. This type of 1-dimensional analysis ignores every other aspect of the immune system. Someone who has had the virus enter there system has the ability to recognize any protein components on the surface of the virus. Someone who has had an mRNA vaccine recognizes 1 protein.

    This is just basic immunology.

  39. grim says:

    Every piece of data the entire year refutes that article.

    You are probably saying that we’re seeing confirmation of what many believed to be the case, but it’s not true that this was obvious in the data. The comparative durability data out of Israel is our first real glimpse at data that’s actually actionable. The side-by-side vaccine vs. recovered durability data makes this very clear now. Early on, there was widespread belief that recovery would not confer long-term immunity. Not that we had the data, but because of understanding of other coronaviruses. There was lots of discussion early on about expectations of requiring annual vaccination. 15% of colds every year are milder coronaviruses, to which humans develop no long-term natural immunity.

  40. JCer says:

    BRT and that is just the tip of the iceberg, the adaptive immune system has many mechanisms so not only is there the ability to identify the virus but also the delivery mechanism likely yields a better t-cell response and thus MUCH longer lasting protection than the vaccines. Antibodies are great but as we see with Delta, the virus can evade them and if it is your only line of defense you are sunk. Frankly vaccinated individuals are antibody resistant factories, the CDC and our government health agencies have it backwards, new resistant variants will come from the vaccinated as they are far more likely to have breakthrough cases and incubate antibody resistant virus.

    The science around this has been awful, between the antivaxers and the nonsense they push and then the government, it is a stream of bs.

  41. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Depending who you ask the data was there. Fauci and the medical industrial complex hid the fact that antibodies aren’t the best measure of lasting immunity.

    Had the durability of natural immunity and the sugar high like durability of the vaccines been publicized they would have been lucky to get 30% vaccinated.

    I also think that’s what the variant hype is all about. Shift the discussion from the vaccine short lived immunity and blame it on variants.

  42. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If our body is so good at defending the virus after getting it, why does it continue to spread like wildfire? Look at how many times it mutated already.

    BRT says:
    August 27, 2021 at 10:30 am
    Why is it so difficult to advocate for using the vaccine as a means of helping people? I don’t get it, help me understand.

    I know you don’t get it. Because you have no ability to connected two dots. If you’ve recovered from Covid, there is no benefit in getting vaccinated and the public health officials should be equating those people with those who are vaccinated. If you have not had Covid, then by all means, get vaccinated

  43. chicagofinance says:

    It means you are useless and should not be read.

    Back to the salt mines………

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    August 27, 2021 at 10:18 am
    So basically the virus mutation is moving quickly. Doesn’t mean vaccines are useless and should not be taken. Had the rest of the world all used vaccines, this new mutation would most likely have never come about and Israel would be fine right now. That’s what the anti vax community can’t understand.

    grim says:
    August 27, 2021 at 10:04 am
    The new Israeli data refutes that article

  44. Juice Box says:

    The data out of Israel shows Delta is still mostly a Boomer Remover. The Israeli data shows 60% hospitalized patients are fully vaccinated, and of those fully vaccinated 87% were 60 or older.

    For the third shot it shows people over 60 who have received a third shot were half as likely as those in the same cohort who only received only two shots to be hospitalized.

  45. Juice Box says:

    The message coming out of Israel is that the current formulated booster is not the solution to stop the spread. They are expecting their hospitals to be overrun in about tw0 weeks. It is time for the FDA to do it’s job and get the reformulated Delta variant booster approved ASAP. Operation WARP SPEED on steroids>>>>>>>>>>>>

  46. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Can we clear up one undeniable fact….you are better off with taking the vaccine. Jcer/Brt stop denying this.

    Had the world population all been given a vaccine, we would not be dealing with these new variants. The virus would have been cornered. Let’s just ignore this as we use Israel as a reason to take punches at the vaccine.

  47. JCer says:

    Natural reinfection has been very rare and typically associated with those who are immunocompromised or elderly. The rate of reinfection for healthy individuals has been statistically insignificant. The entirety of our 330 million population has not been infected hence areas which never had massive outbreaks are now seeing delta rip through like a hot knife through butter. Transmission in the north is lower not because we are abiding by social distancing any better but rather because we have some level of herd immunity from both natural infections and vaccinations. People in at risks groups should vaccinate no question but our guidance isn’t great.

  48. Juice Box says:

    I would love to know if Biden got the reformulated vaccine or even a booster. He and Kamala are busy holding meetings and walking around without masks.. They were vaccinated with the first round in Dec 2020 when all the politicians cut the line, so they are do for a booster.

  49. JCer says:

    Pfizer vaccine is particularly troublesome with delta, my gut just based on anecdotal data is it is maybe 20% effective at preventing symptomatic infection. My wife’s friend had moderna and her husband had Pfizer he got very sick, she was asymptomatic, there is some research that indicates Pfizer is much less effective against the variant than even J&J. We should be jabbing the over 60s with a third shot of moderna until they can reformulate for the latest variant. I agree juice we should move as quickly as is safe on releasing updated vaccines.

  50. grim says:

    Almost certainly a booster dose.

  51. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – like the flu vaccine statically you are better off. In the case of the flu it only is formulated for what they think will be the dominant strain this year. That is not always the case, so 50% of people vaccinated still get the flu because of the strain difference.

    Same with Covid Alpha vaccine and Covid Delta vaccine. We need to start rolling out the Delta vaccine now before we hit peak season or the Hospitals will be overrun again with older people.

  52. BRT says:

    You are probably saying that we’re seeing confirmation of what many believed to be the case, but it’s not true that this was obvious in the data. The comparative durability data out of Israel is our first real glimpse at data that’s actually actionable.

    Well, it was not obvious in the sense that you are comparing it to a vaccine. But we’ve known for quite a while that reinfection is incredibly rare and the statistical studies shown that the few that have been reinfected, nearly all of them are asymptomatic. If people were ever getting reinfected, the media would have run wild with the fear pr0n on that one.

  53. Juice Box says:

    statistically – anyway you get the point.

  54. grim says:

    I think we can all agree on the best scenario for any single individual.

    Get vaccinated, if low-risk, get exposed, isolate, recover.

    This is the least risk path for maximal immunity.

  55. BRT says:

    If our body is so good at defending the virus after getting it, why does it continue to spread like wildfire? Look at how many times it mutated already.

    See, I knew you wouldn’t understand.

  56. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yea, so enlighten me. Why are we better off without the vaccine?

    BRT says:
    August 27, 2021 at 11:27 am
    If our body is so good at defending the virus after getting it, why does it continue to spread like wildfire? Look at how many times it mutated already.

    See, I knew you wouldn’t understand.

  57. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Why are we better off not doing anything? Seems to be your position.

  58. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “The Next Pandemic.” If you have Netflix, check this 20 min episode from the series “Explained.” It came out November 19th, 2019. Before the pandemic hit. It will explain all you need to know.

  59. chicagofinance says:

    I don’t think DEFINITIVELY that someone under 16 is better off taking the vaccine.

    As a public health measure, getting everyone vaccinated is clearly ideal.

    However, those under 16 without an underlying health condition MIGHT be better off fighting it naturally. They generally do not get very sick and also do not create enough viral response to spread it to others consistently…… versus long-term lifetime (unknown) side effects of taking an experimental drug.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    August 27, 2021 at 11:09 am
    Can we clear up one undeniable fact….you are better off with taking the vaccine. Jcer/Brt stop denying this.

  60. BRT says:

    If you’ve recovered from Covid, there is no benefit in getting vaccinated and the public health officials should be equating those people with those who are vaccinated. If you have not had Covid, then by all means, get vaccinated.

    That’s what, I said….then you follow with

    Yea, so enlighten me. Why are we better off without the vaccine?

    Why are we better off not doing anything? Seems to be your position.

    You have no sense of logic, a nonexistent short term memory and major reading comprehension deficiencies. And somehow, you are tasked with teaching children and assessing them.

  61. Juice Box says:

    CDC’s position is research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19 so you should get the vaccine.

  62. Juice Box says:

    False promise of a vaccine? Why isn’t this banned on twitter and Facebook.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/08/vaccine-booster-delta/619882/

  63. BRT says:

    The CDC cannot be taken seriously when they clearly take positions opposite the data and we’ll established immunological concepts. I want to know what their motivation is regarding this position. Is it to just sell more vaccine? Either way…they have only themselves to blame for such a lack of trust.

  64. JCer says:

    Research indicates long lasting immunity, years, possibly 4 or more. They found that SARS patients had a level of immunity COVID and it isn’t even the same virus. The government is lying, they know more than they let on. There was quite a bit of research done after the SARS outbreak where they discovered some very helpful things and have not applied any of it to the treatment of COVID.

    The opportunists in the NIH are using this as a vehicle to get the public to accept mRNA vaccines. The technology is revolutionary but without the public health emergency it would have been decades before we could have rolled it out, this accelerated the timelines significantly in exchange for a hefty loss of human life.

  65. Juice Box says:

    There are studies supporting vaccination Covid recovered people that say it boosts their immune system against variants. That is the CDCs position covid recovered then get the vaccine anyway because of variants.

  66. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Antibodies tell you that you had a reaction to a pathogen. They aren’t the best indicator of durable immunity.

    Fauci won’t tell you that. He’s a complete fraud and liar.

  67. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Finance captured their regulators. The MIC is a revolving door. Why would CDC, FDA be any different?

  68. 3b says:

    Jerome gives dovish comments in Jackson Hole, he wants to taper but no indication on his part he will start at year end. Meanwhile , inflation rate reaches a 30 year high!

  69. BRT says:

    The general research shows that ifs you get a shot after you recovered, you get an increase in antibody count increasing your immunity as justification for you to get it.
    Well duh…you’ll get the same thing if you were exposed to the virus again and again. And you won’t be running a fever for 3 days either.

  70. Hold my beer says:

    I thought 1/3 or more of covid long haulers see their symptoms improved or go away after getting vaccinated?

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Again, I recommend people watch this to understand the virus and vaccines. This was before the argument became tainted by politics. It was also before the pandemic took place.

    At the end of the day, if everyone had quickly taken the vaccine in the world, we would most likely be done with this instead of dealing with all these variants.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    August 27, 2021 at 12:40 pm
    “The Next Pandemic.” If you have Netflix, check this 20 min episode from the series “Explained.” It came out November 19th, 2019. Before the pandemic hit. It will explain all you need to know.

  72. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fair enough, but the whole idea with vaccines, if almost the entire population takes it, it makes it very difficult for the virus to move around and also to mutate. It really corners the hell out of it.

    chicagofinance says:
    August 27, 2021 at 12:41 pm
    I don’t think DEFINITIVELY that someone under 16 is better off taking the vaccine.

  73. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You are one obnoxious miserable turd. I despise people like you.

    Again, your position below is bs. There is a benefit to vaccines, you need to stfu.

    BRT says:
    August 27, 2021 at 12:42 pm
    If you’ve recovered from Covid, there is no benefit in getting vaccinated and the public health officials should be equating those people with those who are vaccinated. If you have not had Covid, then by all means, get vaccinated.

    That’s what, I said….then you follow with

    Yea, so enlighten me. Why are we better off without the vaccine?

    Why are we better off not doing anything? Seems to be your position.
    You have no sense of logic, a nonexistent short term memory and major reading comprehension deficiencies. And somehow, you are tasked with teaching children and assessing them.

  74. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Everything is a conspiracy.

    Finance did not capture regulators. Do they take risks and try to find soft spots around regulation? Yes, and that’s what you are complaining about. It’s no different then an accountant finding ways around taxes.

    BidenIsTheGOAT says:
    August 27, 2021 at 2:02 pm
    Finance captured their regulators. The MIC is a revolving door. Why would CDC, FDA be any different?

  75. JCer says:

    Pumps, I’ve worked in finance including in the support of regulation, my wife exclusively has worked on regulatory projects for the better part of 15 years. Industry definitely plays a part in driving the regulation. It is viewed as a cost of doing business and of course the big banks do look at it as a way of ensuring a defacto monopoly around certain business lines. They definitely spend a small fortune lobbying, the regulators tend to have ties to the big banks, it’s an incestuous business. You can bet they’ve done their darnedest to ensure the regulation is toothless or at the minimum controlled, they don’t find a way around it they design it to make sure the work around is included.

  76. JCer says:

    Not a conspiracy, the rich and powerful have your government on speeddial and can sneak lots of things into legislation and apply lots of pressure.

  77. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Jcer,

    It’s owned to a point. There are teams in the elite. One side usually checks the other. For example, apple fighting in courts vs other tech companies with the app world it created. Yes, you do get situations at times where there is no check, but we know that doesn’t last long based on human nature. Always someone coming for you.

  78. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Can America’s Fastest Supercomputer Defeat Covid for Good?
    It can perform 200 quadrillion operations per second and has one goal: eradicate the virus.

    https://apple.news/AsAzz3H1ZRwa-w8fIwQeXmA

  79. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Remember, when you bash vaccines, you are hurting the future funding of projects like this that we need to survive as a species.

    “Thanks to Summit, Head has a lead on that one-in-a-million. It’s called MCULE-5948770040, and it both binds and inhibits the main protease. In late March, she published a pre-print paper on her team’s finding. That research is currently undergoing peer review. New variants, meanwhile, have made her work even more important. So far, vaccines appear to be effective against the new variants, but should that change, therapeutics will again become a most precious tool in the fight against Covid. Highlighting the importance of the development of effective Covid drugs, in June, the Biden administration announced $3 billion in funding for drug development projects like Head’s.
    But Head is thinking well beyond the variants, too. What she’s truly hoping to build is code that’s a starting point for fighting the next pandemic. Because there will be a next pandemic. “We want those platforms ready to go, so we can respond quickly to the next Zika, Ebola, influenza, and coronavirus,” she says. “When, heaven help us, SARS-CoV-3 comes along, as long as we have the will to stay invested and vigilant, we will have the data, the platforms, and the people around the globe who are going to respond.””

  80. BRT says:

    No one here is bashing vaccines you idiot

  81. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Like clockwork.

    Antivaxxers already posting this on my facebook. So annoying.

    “This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.

  82. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yea, who needs the vaccine. Better off without.

  83. Grim says:

    What are the long term side effects of achieving natural immunity?

    Jury out on that one.

    Your kid doesn’t make the cut for a football scholarship and to play pro ball because his vo2 max was reduced by 5% because of Covid. Your borderline asthmatic kid now has to carry an inhaler around the rest of their life. How about an oxygen generator for your 70th birthday? Just the little things like that.

  84. BRT says:

    Lungs are actually designed to be above capacity. If you’ve ever had one of those coughs that’s lasted for over a month, you got long term lung damage as well. But if you had that permanent damage, still doesn’t prevent you from being able to get your 100% oxygen.

  85. JCer says:

    Grim rates of long term effects, even severe disease are quite small. Honestly looking at statistics there are actually greater chances of adverse reaction from the vaccine than from COVID(that is to say the risk of adverse reaction from covid is incredibly small), it is a very different story for adults. We’ve talked to our pediatrician, my kids were sick the doctor said it is absolutely not covid…it’s too severe, they had RSV. We know entire families who got it, kids are great parents not so much, month later they still feel weak and out of breath, their lung function is off, etc. None of the people we know had kids with those issues, it seems fairly rare. I had it and didn’t feel normal for 6+ months, I’m still not certain if my lung capacity was impacted but it hasn’t had a material effect on my life I just maybe more out of shape.

    I’ll say this based on the way the virus operates if your child is prepubescent they probably do not need the vax. Their viral load will be lower all things point to mild illness and beyond that limited transmission and lasting immunity to boot. Even 12-17 year olds don’t seem to be hit so hard, a big issue I have is the lack of granularity in the data because under 12 should be wildly different than 12 and above.

  86. Juice Box says:

    I am having friends over for Labor Day end of summer party. Family from my Hoboken days our kids are near the same ages, and they ended up moving near us. Dad spent weeks in ICU with Delta, he is 44 and thin with and good health….was walking with a cane folks for a while…

    Two of my wife’s coworkers also in their 40s had delta it knocked them out hard…..

    I’ll take my delta booster now. Cannot get it however those being chosen for the trial are not allowed to be vaccinated…..

    The FDA is going to make them drag this out for a long time over a difference of a few amino acids….I will take it and any other booster now….

  87. Hold my beer says:

    I’ve gotten covid notifications from my kids high school 6 days in a row.

  88. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Renters are reeling with sticker shock as they discover just how aggressively New York’s housing market is rebounding

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/21/realestate/so-your-rent-is-about-to-spike-can-you-avoid-paying-more.html

  89. grim says:

    Someone needs to pay for the eviction moratorium.

  90. grim says:

    The South will Rise Again.

    Covid Deaths per 100k
    #2 – Mississippi (+1)
    #4 – Louisiana (+1)
    #8 – Alabama
    #11 – Arkansas
    #16 – Georgia
    #20 – Florida (+3)
    #24 – Tennessee
    #25 – Texas

  91. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “We’re not the bad guys. Oppression is what we were trying to stop in Afghanistan. We failed, but any immigrant will tell you we’ve largely succeeded here. And yet, the overriding thrust of current ‘woke’ ideology is America is rotten to the core, irredeemably racist from the moment it was founded and so oppressive, sexist and homophobic we can’t find a host for the Oscars or ‘Jeopardy!'” Maher exclaimed.

    https://apple.news/ArBI_J9ViSUa6IV37LQFvTA

  92. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Blind hatred of America is just as blinkered as blind love. And we Americans should really get some perspective about where we live,” Maher began his monologue. “Watching this s— go down in Afghanistan, I was reminded lately of every conversation I’ve ever had with an immigrant, almost all of which if we got to really talking, included the notion, ‘Oh, you people have no idea. All you do is b—- about and badmouth your own country, but if you knew about the country I came from, you’d stop s—-ing on your own.’”

  93. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thinking about this, it just shows you human nature. Even when some people have it really good, they still are angry and unhappy, finding something to complain about. American society is a dream for 99.9% of all humans that ever walked this planet, and what are people doing? Crying about masks or upset that american history isn’t taught in schools is not “woke” enough. My god, these people are lost.

    I seriously feel bad for the kids. Their parents are such miserable people, they are teaching their kids to focus on this bs instead of just being happy and having fun.

  94. The Great Pumpkin says:

    My daughter had to be put to sleep to work on her teeth. Anesthesiologist cost 2,000. Insurance sends a 200 dollar check yesterday. Of course, it’s out of network. What a scam. Why do I have to pay for insurance again?

  95. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yup.

    “But I think some segments of the market are fairly valued while others are overvalued. Many growth tech stocks have high valuations & assume an economic transformation leading to rapid growth. If true, traditional old school companies will eventually get killed.”

  96. Juice Box says:

    My son had a hacking cough, low grade fever and stomach ache for a few days and recovered. We did three Covid tests on him all negative. He most likely picked it up in camp or soccer practice. Now my wife and I and my youngest have it….Fun Times…

    We won’t be going anywhere because if you were to hear this cough in the supermarket you would think immediately Covid and run for the hills.

  97. BRT says:

    Juice, the RSV is going wild. Part of the consequences of isolation of the population is our immunity to all other common mutagenic illnesses fades as well.

  98. Juice Box says:

    NJ.com answers our debate from yesterday.

    How long does immunity last after having COVID?

    “A previous infection offers about 80% protection from the coronavirus, while those who received both doses of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines have about 95% protection against the viruses, Dr. John Wherry told WHYY. Wherry is the director of the Institute for Immunology at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania.

    So while protection is good for those who already caught COVID-19 in some form or another, it is not as strong as the vaccines.”

    https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/08/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-having-covid.html

  99. BRT says:

    Thank your union for that insurance you now have.

  100. Juice Box says:

    Out of network scams. My son had his tonsils removed six years ago. We checked with the insurance, the doc was in network, the hospital was in-network, so all good right?

    Not so fast…The wing were the surgery was performed attached directly to the hospital was not in-network. All with connected hallways and all. $10,000 balance bill arrives….our doctor was in on it the whole time he is part owner….

  101. Juice Box says:

    Tik Tok finally banned the milk crate challenge..

    https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/pd71e1/my_calls_be_like/

  102. Nomad says:

    Juice,

    If you don’t mind me asking, what brand of test did you use on your son and yourselves?

    On tonsils, did you consult with an attorney? Conflict of interest, physician self dealing? Likely beyond statue of limitations but if you still have same insurance co, ask them if docs behavior violated any contractual obligations he had with insurance company as those can be cause for termination…

  103. Bystander says:

    Juice,

    That is typical. CT passsed a law where they have to send you a notice informing you that there will be a separate facility charge before the appointment. I had one of these b%lshit 1500K charges wiped away because it was not sent. It was a child pulmonologist and they went to a down hall to room and performed a few lung tests like trying to push ball up via breathing. Biggest scam going.

    Blumpy,

    Going on for awhile. My son had 5 cavities and the dentist said go to hospital and I was responsible for anethesiologists. None took insurance. $2500k. I ended getting a cap in network as only 5 and it will fall out..and they still denied even nitrous costs.

  104. Hold my beer says:

    Billing like that should be criminal. And Obamacare did nothing to stop it. These dems always yap about access to insurance instead of removing price gouging.

  105. Juice Box says:

    We purchased the BinaxNOW antigen self test at CVS. 2 pack for $23.99. We also did the CVS minute clinic by appointment rapid test as well. That is the ID NOW molecular test by Abbott. I have been there six times over the last year for Covid tests with my kids so they could go back to school after five days of quarantine due to exposure rules, the CVS site by me is quick and almost always has appointments available.

    As far as balance bill. We got insurance involved. I also told their office manager who I arranged this surgery with that I hope she has a good lawyer, she did not disclose this was an out of network facility, after I asked her directly. I also told her they will never collect it because I will spend more on a lawyer and so will you than the bill was worth. I have not seen a bill since, and no collection service. The Hospital wing seems to also have been sold since…

    Here is the hospital, the white building attached to Hackensack Meridian by the Emergency Entrance is the out of network surgical.

    https://tinyurl.com/dfz4736f

    New Jersey also passed a law in 2018. “New Jersey Out-of-network Consumer Protection, Transparency, Cost Containment and Accountability Act”

    Out of Network disclosure is now required by law, amongst other things.

    Anecdotal my own personal doctor regularly sends me a balance bill for what in-network insurance won’t pay etc. Insurance tells me to toss it in the garbage. I brought it up with him too, his answer was his kids have to eat too.

  106. Juice Box says:

    BTW There is a run on the BinaxNow kits so CVS is now rationing them. They had them setup in a nice display box in my CVS and people went and bought them all up every last one. Cleared out the store by me in only a few minutes. Perhaps to sell on e-bay..

    We all need quick and cheap home tests……but as mentioned previously FDA won’t approve the cheap ones they are looking for something like 96% accuracy it seems..

  107. Juice Box says:

    Pixel by Labcorp® is out got an email from them Walgreens stocks them, you take your own sample at home and mail it in for PCR test. Postman must love that…..

    Funny how even now the large testing centers like Labcorp still won’t do walk in testing. They don’t want their centers shut down due to Covid outbreak.. The email Labcorp sent me today contained free advertising for CVS and Wallgreens Covid testing to their customers lol…..

  108. Hold my beer says:

    Juice

    Hopefully they get booted off eBay for price gouging. Lots of sellers did for selling n95 masks and hand sanitizer in March of 2020. Some even got nice letters from their state attorney general.

  109. Juice Box says:

    re: testing mafia….(FU pay me).

    Abbot is selling the same self test in India on Amazon via reseller for about $4.00 a test with free shipping….

    https://www.amazon.in/Panbio-COVID-Antigen-Self-Test/dp/B098GFPFZM

  110. Juice Box says:

    Germany now says it will end free Covid testing in October, this is to incentivize the unvaccinated apparently.

  111. Juice Box says:

    Interesting. Alibaba censors all covid searches. So even if I wanted to by the cheap chinese ones I cannot find them..

  112. 3b says:

    Juice: So the vaccines are better then having Covid and recovering, but the vaccines are not that effective for the delta variant so where does it stand now?

  113. Bystander says:

    Realy hold? It is called free market capitalism. No side is touching that one..in fact when have Rs even proposed one healthcare change? All sides being paid to ensure gouging continues.

  114. grim says:

    Abbot is selling the same self test in India on Amazon via reseller for about $4.00 a test with free shipping….

    I don’t believe Abbott needs to provide live video proctoring for the test outside of the US.

    I worked with another company that provided a similar lateral flow test that was approved in UK. The proctoring was provided via chat through the app, no video. And, it was basically stand-by support. The overhead was likely an order of magnitude less.

  115. Juice Box says:

    3b – Dunno really…….At this point I would prefer we send out vaccination goons to force it.. I would trust what Israel says more as they have the highest vaccination rate and did not achieve herd immunity. They say the Hospitals will be over run in two weeks. Sadly we have misinformed politicians. Didn’t Gov Murphy say two weeks ago that everyone hospitalized in NJ were unvaccinated which is not true. The CDC is only tracking hospitalized breakthrough infections, not people who test positive even though fully vaccinated. They said they did not have the recourses even with the Trillions being spent like Candy!!! How could they not be able to match a fully vaccinated person with a positive PCR test?

    I say batten down the hatches, especially if you are older. Once Skool open in NYC it will be a mess here just like the South where Skool has been open for weeks.

    I have informed dear old mom to social distance, wear masks and wash hands all the time again.. She does not go out too much but did have a few things planned for the next few weeks. I may cancel my Labor day party, depends really on how bad it gets…

  116. Juice Box says:

    What proctoring? There is none offered for the BinaxNow kit…I have the directions right infront of me.

    Pic…

    https://ibb.co/F8v2Pyk

  117. Juice Box says:

    I see it now. The same exact test with an App and protoring. LoL…..What a waste of money…

    https://www.abbott.com/BinaxNOW-Tests-NAVICA-App.html

  118. Juice Box says:

    They want $25 per test for same exact BinaxNow test with the Navica App for tracking and proctoring..

    What a ripoff.

    https://www.emed.com/products/covid-at-home-testkit-six-pack

  119. 3b says:

    Juice: I have been following the Israeli studies too, wanted your take on it as well. We could have another Fall shit down again. I don’t trust any of the politicians or the media in this country. If I watch any news now it’s BBC.

  120. Juice Box says:

    Here we go again., how about take grandma home for her final days? There are five kids and none had a spare bedroom?

    https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/08/nj-families-make-urgent-plea-as-covid-cases-rise-please-dont-lock-down-nursing-homes-again.html

  121. Juice Box says:

    Interesting no Covid test kits on Amazon UK. I use the UK version to ship my Aunt stuff.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=covid+self+test+kit&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

    I also checked Mexico and Canada same there no home test kits for sale.

    Amazon in Germany lists about seven different Covid home tests for delivery… 10 pack of tests for $14 dollars…It’s a German company too not some chinese import, they sell spit tests too…

  122. Juice Box says:

    No time left to evacuate? Yeah I would leave anyway with 20 inches of rain and 11 ft storm surge coming.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/27/us/new-orleans-hurricane-ida-preparations/index.html

  123. The Great Pumpkin says:

    But a reduction in regional pay disparities will lead to more inequality within communities. Small towns and midsize cities got a taste of that dynamic during the pandemic, when rich tech workers bulldozed their way in, causing local housing costs to skyrocket. It’s important to remember, though, that the work-from-home revolution applies only to the college-educated. As remote professionals in smaller communities see their salaries rise, their lower-wage neighbors who work at in-person jobs in stores, restaurants, and factories will continue to make the same hyper-local paychecks, even though their cost of living has shot up. In a sense, the boom in remote work will import the kind of income disparities that have plagued San Francisco and New York for decades — and the ensuing problems that such inequalities bring.

    https://apple.news/A8JrGk6NtQsKpmBmx2PGMVw

  124. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That’s the future fight. Does showing up in person mean more than knowledge?

  125. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    Sorry to hear, hope for a quick recovery.

    Bottom line, vaccines help and we should all get it if we want to cut off this coronavirus.

  126. Grim says:

    Rt down to 1.15, we are moving in the right direction.

  127. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Like I said, ark funds!!

    Lumber crashing. As cathie said…this fed and people cathie really know wtf is going on at a much higher level than you and I.

    https://apple.news/Aiw6ArbxDTFG7RXPTiICZlA

    Grim says:
    August 28, 2021 at 8:09 pm
    Rt down to 1.15, we are moving in the right direction.

  128. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Sorry, grim. Thought you referring to 10 year. Just read an article and became overly excited.

  129. grim says:

    Wicked storm, I hope many were able to evacuate.

  130. Hold my beer says:

    Texas will get another spike in covid cases from this storm. All those evacuees go to stay with family or friends in Texas or get hotels in the metro areas. Traffic in my area gets brutal any time of the day when a storm hits Louisiana or the Texas gulf coast.

  131. grim says:

    Reports of storm chasers abandoning the ‘coast’ due to the new forecasts. Going to an awful disaster. Evacuation calls came pretty late. Many waking up this morning and going to fight to get the hell out. Borderline Cat 5 now.

  132. Juice Box says:

    Low tide and it’s picking up..

    We cam grand isle, 40 people refused to leave. 16 ft storm surge coming..

    https://grandislerentals1.click2stream.com/

  133. Glennzop says:

    hi

  134. Juice Box says:

    Live Stream from the Storm Chasers.

    They left a remote camera on Grand Isle.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcbk3NcScRM

  135. Juice Box says:

    Lotus of stuff floating by the Storm Surge Camera strapped to a pole in Grand Isle, and the water may even swamp the camera. Homes are on 12 ft pilings, water is getting close now.

    Wind Gusts recorded there on land approx 70 kts now.

    https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=gisl1

  136. Juice Box says:

    About 1 hour for the eye wall.. Tidal Gauges are reading 7 to 8 ft now.

    https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/inundationdb/storm/Ida.html

  137. Hold my beer says:

    That camera is about to get swamped

  138. Juice Box says:

    Yes some watch….It’s about 7 ft high on a pole….waterproof..so far anyway..

  139. Juice Box says:

    Rip Surge Cam…..

  140. Grim says:

    Check out this vid from the strike on the isis leader

    https://twitter.com/Sisar110/status/1272280567267176450/video/1

    We have hellfire missiles with fking SWORDS.

  141. Juice Box says:

    Yes the R9X the flying Ginsu no explosion only death from blades, it’s a CIA drone weapon been used to kill with minimal civilian casualties.

    Was used to Solemani too.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8434633/New-photos-provide-closest-look-secret-six-blade-ninja-missile.html

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