Sell and Rent

From the NYT:

The lawns are manicured. The swimming pools sparkle in the sun. And the homes, all of them turnkey and smelling of fresh paint, are lined up in tidy rows, an army of cookie-cutter porches standing at attention.

Covid-19 inflamed the real estate market, pushed Americans toward the suburbs and changed our relationship with where we live, work and play. It also accelerated interest in built-to-rent housing, which even before the pandemic was expanding at a breakneck pace.

The number of built-to-rent homes — single-family homes constructed expressly for the purpose of renting — increased 30 percent from 2019 to 2020. Today, they make up about 6 percent of all new homes being built in the United States, and that number is poised to double in the next 10 years. This is the fastest-growing sector of the American housing market, and it is increasingly master-planned and built on tracts. On the fringes of America’s second-tier cities, entire villages owned by large-scale investors are popping up, offering renters who either can’t or don’t want to spring for a down payment another path to the American dream.

Two months ago, Brian and Amanda Voorhees moved with their two children to 360 Communities at Shearwater, a community of 127 two-, three- and four-bedroom townhouses and single-family homes about 40 minutes from Jacksonville, Fla. They left New Jersey after selling their 3,600-square-foot home there at the top of the market, and they weren’t ready to jump into a new investment.

“We really wanted to have the flexibility to enjoy life versus having to worry about repairing the roof or cutting the grass rather than heading to the beach,” said Mr. Voorhees, a vice president of underwriting for an insurance broker. “We didn’t want to have to worry about all the potential pitfalls of homeownership.”

They rent their new home, a four-bedroom townhouse, for $2,600 a month. Mr. Voorhees, 33, now works from home, and Ms. Voorhees, 36, stays at home with Braden, 7, and Abigail, 4, taking the children for bike rides along the community’s trails and spending hours with them at the community pool.

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146 Responses to Sell and Rent

  1. dentss dengan says:


  2. JUice Box says:

    Now + $37.50 in afterhours…

    Holeeee…..heading to 800% up since yesterday’s announcement.

  3. Juice Box says:

    More on the Trump SPAC.

    Patrick Orlando CEO. Lockup period is 6 months.

  4. BRT says:

    Juice, it’s pretty simple. The theme is invest in disruptive companies. Trump is going to disrupt Fox News! Buy buy buy.

  5. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Any other suspicious deaths in Baldwins background? Accidentally run over a landscaper or bellhop? Any domestics take a nasty fall the steps? He most certainly likes to let the rage run wild. It must feed his ego.

  6. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Murphy wants to bring in Biden to campaign? Is he trying to lose? Don’t bring up food or gas prices that’s for sure. Better off telling Joe to stay in the basement and nap.

  7. BRT says:

    someone dug up Baldwin’s old tweets.

    “I wonder how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone…”

  8. Clown World says:

    Trump is an absolute lunatic, there is no argument there. But his ability to raise funds terrifies all of establishment D.C. red and blue a like.

    Show me another politician, anyone at all, that could 10x a SPAC with a mere announcement of involvement. There is no one.

    I’ll concede that there are cult like supporters of Trump and they are part of this. But this DWAC run is mostly fueled by institutional money that understands the power of the Trump brand. D.C. is terrified of this kind of power outside the beltway.

    Money talks and BS takes the Amtrak (from Wilmington -> DC)

  9. Bystander says:

    ..or look at their 401k statements or how much they can get for their home. They might fall over in shock at their wealth. Thanks Joe.

  10. BRT says:

    watching the town hall was painful. One of my best friends is about the same age. I taught alongside him for 4 years. He was razor sharp and taught physics until age 74. He’s now in his early 80s. He has been diagnosed early stage alzheimers. He told me that when he speaks, he’s still aware of the words he wants to use but has trouble getting them out, so he appreciates it if people complete the thought for him because it helps him keep going in a conversation. He spends hours a day doing mental exercises to counteract this. Fitnesswise, he’s still a beast and does an hour in the gym everyday. But if you watched Cooper with him last night, he kept having to do for Biden exactly what we as friends do for him.

  11. Juice Box says:

    Massive short squeeze on DWAC.

    Warrants are up 2,071.15% Yes that is 2000% percent..

  12. Bystander says:

    Agree BRT. He is too mentally slow and we should not be electing any 80 year old presidents. FYI cult members Trump will be 78 during next election cycle so who is your candidate in 2024?

  13. Juice Box says:

    The other wallstreet bets stock today is PHUN.

    Phunware Inc

  14. Juice Box says:

    PHUN at the open 10.9800 +9.4500 +617.65%

    This is not going to end well.

  15. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Well they are campaigning in nearly to start. I doubt 401ks our home prices will be discussed.

    Far more likely that he’ll be whipping up racial animosity. Maybe Joe will accuse citarelli of wanting to put them in chains.

  16. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    In Newark

  17. Juice Box says:

    Biden casually committed to WWIII last night. We do not have ANY agreement to defend, we only sell them weapons by law. There is NO defense pact, there is no authorization from Congress to go to war or defend them. I have two young boys. I don’t want them going over there to fight a war because some senile politician made a commitment like that.

    He is more dangerous than Trump right now.

  18. Juice Box says:

    Trading halted on PHUN.

    19.39 quote price arrow up+17.86 (+1,167.32%)

  19. No One says:

    So has SNL made jokes at the expense of Biden or Harris yet?

    They went 8 years without really making fun of Obama, and then sang him an actual love song when he left, so I’m guessing not.

    Biden kind of reminds me of a half-set of round robin tennis I played yesterday. Probably over 80, must be super rich and has been around this club for decades, because I see others kind of sucking up to him, but the guy can barely move now. Takes him about 5 minutes to switch sides, and his range on the court is just how far he can stick out his arm either direction. I would have been better off playing 1 on 2 because then I wouldn’t have an obstruction in trying to cover the whole court. I’m guessing that Biden’s team feels the same way – they’re doing all the work but this statue is standing there getting in their way and flubbing all the balls hit at him.

  20. Juice Box says:

    No One – they laid into Biden. Weekend update has not been to kind to him in the last year.

    “Biden is 22 minutes late to events, worse is he only does it to appeal to black voters”.

    Maya Rudolph portrays Kamala Harris and has not been too kind either.

  21. leftwing says:

    Lib, brother, I have to get you interested in the dark side…..

    Options are just a different medium to express a view….debt, preferred, common, futures, options……, plays, movies, musicals…..

    Fundamentally, one needs to have the expression aligned with the view (in other words I need your big, long brain).

    4x profit on Z this morning after putting it on four days ago….did the similar re-write I did with ARKK, DIS and it is physically impossible for me to lose money unless the stock goes beneath 75 (at 92 now). She goes to 100 in the next few weeks, eight more points, and I’m at 11x profit….

    You need my hit-and-run to juice your returns with commensurately less risk (and to make your mornings more spicy)….

  22. Juice Box says:

    DWAC reopened at 175, then was immediately rehalted.

  23. Juice Box says:

    DWAC and PHUN all falling back now. There are going to be countless broke Hillbillies who went all in at the top and get the rug pulled from underneath.

  24. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I hope he comes through.

    “Nobody is perfect, least of all US President Joe Biden, but at least his heart is in the right place in getting the economy back up and running. There is much to live up to, especially setting the bar so high on regenerating the economy and fixing the United States’ run-down domestic infrastructure.”

  25. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Also hope he comes through on this.

    “I think @POTUS wants his Legacy to be that he launched a Moonshot Project to Cure Cancer. I found it interesting that @CathieDWood talked about the next Head of the FDA needs to be open to Innovation. I believe $ARKG is the most innovative Tool Chest to Cure Cancer.”

  26. The Great Pumpkin says:

    My friend just made 58k in two days on PHUN and DWAC…. 2,564% and cashed out. People making a killing out there, and you guys are wondering how house prices are being supported.

  27. leftwing says:

    “But this DWAC run is mostly fueled by institutional money that understands the power of the Trump brand.”

    Ehhhh…not sure on that one…..float is less than 26m shares, 499m traded yesterday….simple supply and demand…..quick glance shows not just small lots (100, 200, 400, 1000 shares) but individual shares trading…..5 shares, 20 shares…..

    Looks like the red hat army……

  28. The Great Pumpkin says:

    What an idiot. Doesn’t want to do work around the house so he goes and rents. Why not just hire someone, but be my guest and pay that landlord.

    “Two months ago, Brian and Amanda Voorhees moved with their two children to 360 Communities at Shearwater, a community of 127 two-, three- and four-bedroom townhouses and single-family homes about 40 minutes from Jacksonville, Fla. They left New Jersey after selling their 3,600-square-foot home there at the top of the market, and they weren’t ready to jump into a new investment.

    “We really wanted to have the flexibility to enjoy life versus having to worry about repairing the roof or cutting the grass rather than heading to the beach,” said Mr. Voorhees, a vice president of underwriting for an insurance broker. “We didn’t want to have to worry about all the potential pitfalls of homeownership.””

  29. leftwing says:

    “My friend just made 58k in two days on PHUN and DWAC…”

    So which WSB YOLO redditor is your ‘friend’ today?

    I swear to God about three months ago you quoted to me something my 20 year old threw up there…..

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  31. The Great Pumpkin says:

    He is 35. Single and works in the electrician’s union. Has been absolutely killing it in the market as he has all the free time to research this constantly.

    Sent a text this morning, said he is shaking, just made 58k in two days and provided the screen shot as evidence. Already sold it all.

    leftwing says:
    October 22, 2021 at 10:36 am
    “My friend just made 58k in two days on PHUN and DWAC…”

    So which WSB YOLO redditor is your ‘friend’ today?

    I swear to God about three months ago you quoted to me something my 20 year old threw up there…..

  32. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I know I been banging this drum, but it’s clear as day that this market is not the same as the 90’s or 2000’s. These young investors are the best the market has ever seen at this age. Technology (social media) has finally swung the ball in their favor. This was always the big dogs game (they always had the insider information first). This has changed. Blame the fed all you want, but it’s not them, these are investors coming together and absolutely killing it in the market. If you can’t see if by now, you are blind.

  33. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s also time to stop looking at wages to justify housing pricing. These people are making a killing from investing, not working.

  34. The Great Pumpkin says:

    When retail investors can take GME and piss on the big dogs shorting it, the game has changed. Who is the alpha now? Who knows, but it’s not the big dogs on wall st like it once was.

  35. Hold my beer says:


    We can thank the boomer politicians and corporate overlords who outsourced manufacturing to China. The colleges in the US and western world that welcomed Chinese students into engineering and science programs in pursuit of getting that out of state tuition. And the politicians claimed a wealthier China would become more democratic Incredible clueless, stupid, or those pols were lying through their teeth. CCP is simply the emperor style government under a different name. At a minimum I suspectChina will want all Asian countries to pay a tribute to China like in the old days, maybe even take Singapore and the Philippines too and be able to dominate the global shipping lanes that way. We think in terms of Quarters or at most 2 year election cycles. Chinese leaders think in terms of decades.

  36. 3b says:

    Pumps: There you go with your broad based assumptions that you State as fact, all young investors are making a killing investing, so wages related to house prices does not matter, because you are resident expert on everything says so.

    And you wonder why people don’t like you.

  37. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Simply highlighting that people are making money out there. Not all, but the housing market does not rely on all…..only 60% of the population are homeowners.

  38. Bystander says:

    ..and what % of young population are making a killing at meme stocks? Again, extrapolating slight examples (probably 2% under 30 actively trading like this) to say everyone is. Why is mortage debt at all time high levels, dips&t?

  39. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Without social media, you think my electrician friend would have made 58k in two days? Information is everything when it comes to the stock market. This was only available to the big dogs back in the day, the game has changed. Lot of 20 somethings and 30 somethings absolutely knocking it out of the park. Some are retired already off bitcoin and tesla.

  40. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Mortgage debt is at all time high levels because anyone that is smart is going to take a low cost mortgage and invest the rest…or they will pay cash and then refinance low interest loan to put the capital to work through investments.

  41. Bystander says:

    Ahh, the dumb answer I was expecting. As Carlin said, “think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” Now, they are financial wizards making mint on Bitcoin and taking analyzing interest rates.

  42. Libturd says:

    Geez pumps. Just give it a rest.

    I’m going to dig a post (if I can find it) from an auto insurance inspector who claimed to be making bank by jumping on Cramer’s picks immediately after he announced them. It sounded plausible, but then why was he working a low wage job? Of course, tons of people online backtested such a strategy and found it costly, not profitable.

    Damn. Can’t find it. It was about 12 years ago, so don’t remember exactly what to search for.

    I suppose all of these expensive houses in NJ are being bought by insurance inspectors.

  43. Libturd says:


    You are so going to end up broke leveraging your home against your stock gambling.

    I could only imagine what you would do if you were in my position. I could probably qualify for about 2 million at 1.9% on a ten year. I guess I am a fool for not taking advantage of it.

  44. Libturd says:

    No one remembers the bears. The number of people who are going to get slaughtered when this market plunges is going to be phenomenal. The collateral damage will be huge. And the FED keeps printing and buying leaving themselves with no bullets in the chamber. I really, really hope I am wrong.

  45. BRT says:

    Lib, he already told us he’s salty his wife wouldn’t let him tap into the equity to buy stocks.

  46. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I am not leveraging anything, but I should have. I have made money already, so I can’t take those kind of risks when I am mortgage free end of this decade. There is money to be made, you guys can hate it all you want. Some will lose, and some will win. That’s one constant that never changes.

    Lib, you made your money. Your job is to protect it. For other 20 or 30 somethings, why would they not take the risk? They are not rich and have nothing to lose. If they fail, they are right back in the same position they are in. If they win, they are beyond rich. You have to make moves and take risks in a capitalist system. You are obsessed with having almost no risk. That’s not the game in a low rate environment.

    If these people just saved their money and put it in no risk assets, what would they have? Nothing. It’s low rate environment, this is exactly what the fed wants. People to take their money and invest, so the economy grows. Will there be losers? Sure. There will also be winners.

  47. Juice Box says:

    PHUN is almost below the open now. DWAC is well below the 118.79 open now 83.50.

    Bunch of broke Hillbilllies now crying on social media.

  48. Libturd says:

    “Bunch of broke Hillbilllies now crying on social media.”

    To eat dinner, now we’s gotsta go pawn great granmamas beanie bears.

  49. 3b says:

    Pumps: You stated originally wages to house prices do not matter , as young investors are making a killing. That is a broad statement, and you indicate it as fact. If you had said for some young investors wages to house prices do not matter, as some of them are making a killing investing, then at least you have qualified your statement. However, whether that statement is true or not is debatable, as unless they have sold and pocketed the money then the gains are all on paper. That would be the same for your electrician friend.

    At the end of the day, it’s all based on debt, something you complain ignore.

  50. Libturd says:

    Maybe Pumps will understand it if I present it visually? SFW

  51. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And what did you say 9 years ago when I first went on this blog. You said you were a sucker for paying your mortgage and not taking a risk like those other people in the housing market crash. You were paying your mortgage while they were living for free in a house they paid 0 down for.

    What do you think is going to happen again? Play it, why? Because you are smart enough and experienced enough to not get caught holding the bag.

    Libturd says:
    October 22, 2021 at 11:44 am
    No one remembers the bears. The number of people who are going to get slaughtered when this market plunges is going to be phenomenal. The collateral damage will be huge. And the FED keeps printing and buying leaving themselves with no bullets in the chamber. I really, really hope I am wrong.

  52. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If you are content with your current pot of money, then just be safe, and enjoy it. You already took risk and won.

    Risk is a part of our life. Yes, this will end badly, but the sun will rise again like it always has. I cost myself over a million dollars for being scared of it all crashing back in 2008 era on sirius stock. Would have turned 30k into over a million in my twenties, but no, I had to listen to the people crying the sky was falling….like it ever ends, the sun always comes back up. Will there be pain? Sure. Will it last, hell no.

  53. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Would you just please face the reality that people with money are driving the real estate market. These are not broke individuals. You are stuck in the mindset of 2005. Acting like they are all taking out loans they can’t afford. It’s just not the case this time. Go get a loan, and tell me how easy it is to get? It’s not easy if you are not qualified. Besides, so many transactions are cash. Either they have it, or family is giving it to them. Some are from wall st bs maneuvers, but most are legit buyers.

  54. 3b says:

    Pumps: There you go again with your broad assumptions, all based on your innate belief that you know all, based solely on how you want it to be, because in the end it’s about you. It’s always about you. You really do live in some bubble or alternate universe.

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:


    I don’t know all, but I do know a lot. Broad assumptions…what do you think is driving this housing market? Please explain to me how it is people that can’t afford it. People that can’t afford it are the one’s crying on the sideline as they lose out on every house they put a bid on. Yes, some have to face the hard truth that they don’t have enough money to buy a home and will be renters for life.

    Sad part is, had they come to this blog end of last decade, they could have bought cheap houses in wayne in the 400’s. I said it over and over that it was stupid cheap, but no one listened. You mocked my calls that it was ultra cheap due to a coming housing boom. You thought i was tallking out of my a$$, and you still don’t realize how correct I was. I was screaming buy whatever you can afford if you don’t own.

  56. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Go look it up. I was screaming that fairfield and Wayne were the best values in north jersey. Look how much those markets went up. Of course, no one says to me good job. Instead everyone just puts me down.

  57. BRT says:

    “In essence, they are claiming that, because the NIH did not fund infection studies with lab-generated viruses and human subjects—Uyghur detainees? Falun Gong dissidents?—the NIH did not fund gain of function research..subject to the federal policies”

    “Because a mouse got sicker doesn’t mean it would make a human sicker”

  58. 3b says:

    Pumps: You know all these people out buying houses? Would not those in your age group have already purchased? Anyhow, and as has been said here multiple times, ultra low interest rates is driving this insanity. The rest is noise.

  59. The Great Pumpkin says:


    How come housing didn’t move last decade? My 15 year loan back in 2015 was 2.75. So why wasn’t housing flying? Could it be the demand was not there yet. That millennials were not coming to the market yet? You act like these low rates came out of nowhere and that’s what is driving the housing market. It’s not. People want houses, and there simply is not enough to go around.

  60. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s like this. If everyone right now, decided they didn’t want their house, and wanted to sell it….the market would drop 50-90% because there is no support in the market. Now apply the same exact logic to the other side. It’s going to continue to run on supply issues. Does everyone get to cash in on this? No, only people selling and if too many sellers come to the table, it’s fuc!ed. Too bad people need to live somewhere which makes real estate such a safe long term bet. That’s why the price rarely goes down, usually too much support unless they build too much supply.

  61. Juice Box says:

    BRT – A little bit of traction in Pravda today.

    The FBI should be executing search warrants right now but nothing is going to happen.

  62. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – This one in Clifton is worth more than your home, it was on the market 3 years ago for about half the selling price this week.

  63. The Great Pumpkin says:

    What does this tell you? NJ real estate which stagnated for over 10 years is going to run. Writing is on the wall.

    Remember when the rest of the country was much cheaper than jersey, now it’s the opposite. North jersey real estate has plenty of room to run. Been screaming this for years.

    Juice Box says:
    October 22, 2021 at 2:57 pm
    Pumps – This one in Clifton is worth more than your home, it was on the market 3 years ago for about half the selling price this week.

  64. Fast Eddie says:

    I was just reading my quarterly tax bill… 2/3 goes towards the public school system. At that price, you would think that no school system in the world can even come match our excellence. Yes, a school system so good that it would be impossible for a teacher to access any social media during the school day because of their dedication and hard work in the classroom. Don’t you all agree?

  65. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You think whatever you want. So when students are taking a test, I should sit there and stare at the wall, right? When they are completing their tasks, I should just harass them the whole time right? Just stop…

    I have had my job for 17 years. Rule no 1 in an urban district. Always be prepared ahead of time. You better make sure you have lesson that goes from bell to bell. If you don’t do this, you will get eaten alive. You can’t have urban students have idle time, or they will do something bad.

    I don’t even know why I’m wasting my time explaining this to you….just think what you want.

  66. 3b says:

    Pumps: Why is it that you can have lots of opinions on corporate America, and WFH, but Fast who works in corporate America cannot? Why isn’t he and the rest of us who work in corporate America entitled to the same courtesy?

  67. Fast Eddie says:

    Gas prices in Gorda, California:

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:


    You take the position that for most white collar positions that in person is over. I think that’s a crazy position. Why do i have to be in corporate job to take this position?

  69. 3b says:

    Jerome says inflation to last well into next year, what he really means is inflation will last for the next 3 to 4 years , and interest rates will have to be raised to tame it.

  70. JCer says:

    eddie is that price in mexican pesos? Yes ed 2/3rd’s goes to schools which is why until they fix the state funding for education there can be no fix for property taxes, it’s why they instituted an income tax in this state in the first place. Basically our income taxes pay for pump’s school to have more funding per student than the one in your town, your town is “rich” and therefore receives nothing meanwhile the urban districts have diverse rateables where tiny suburban towns are almost 100% residential.

  71. 3b says:

    Pumps: You did not answer my question, which is typical for you, you do love to deflect and you also said I said every corporate job in person is over; which I never said. I did say many corporate jobs can be done WFH, and that is where corporate America is heading, hybrid, in office and WFH, or completely remote WFH.

    Now that I have explained it to you yet again, I will ask again why are you entitled to your opinion on corporate America including WFH, and Fast is not entitled to his.

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  73. The Great Pumpkin says:

    He can have whatever opinion he wants, he already made it clear as day that he has no respect for educators that work at a public school. He was directly attacking me by trying to imply I don’t do my job. So I responded when I should have ignored it. Why doesn’t he say anything about posting here?

    As for WFH, it’s a fad. How long have you been alive? Don’t you know by now when something goes totally in the other direction that it will revert to the mean. I said a million times that when this pandemic is over, and companies go back to full in person, they will have a huge competitive advantage over remote companies. Those companies will realize they can’t compete (just like yahoo and IBM realized in the past decade when they went remote and abandoned it..pretty much destroyed yahoo). So you think what you want, but for god’s sake, use logic.

  74. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Why doesn’t he say anything to you about posting here?

    3b, how are you doing your job when you are posting here? See how that works.

  75. Bystander says:


    Oz Powell is scared. He won’t commit to taper and won’t commit to raising rates. He is throwing the non-investor class, middle and poor under the bus via inflation. The young folks investing at unsustainable levels that will wipe them out for decades. Yet we get closer to 36K. The bubble explosion will be tremendous.

  76. PumpkinFace says:

    3b is worse than the gourd now

  77. Libturd says:

    I wonder if Powell’s trading profits from his 5 million sale before the market collapsed last October were transitory?

  78. The Great Pumpkin says:
  79. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Never selling, so doesn’t really matter, but a nice feeling to crack the 800s on redfin.

  80. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Country is in for a rude awakening. No one wants to become a teacher anymore, and the one’s that are teachers are dropping like flies.

    “Joy Mohammed walked away from her Detroit teaching job in 2017. She said the pay was terrible and there was no room for growth.

    “People go into education because they have passion, not because they have generation wealth. So they need to make it accessible and economical,” she said.

    Mohammed is one of the thousands of former Michigan teachers who got a letter in the mail asking them to come back to the classroom.

    She said her answer is no, and her current focus is on getting a law degree.

    “There was no consequence to me keep that letter or consider using the QR code or anything,” Mohammed said.

    State Rep. Matt Koleszar also received the letter.

    “As someone who spent 12 1/2 years in the classroom, it is such a rewarding profession, but unfortunately outside forces have done a lot to make this profession less desirable for young people to go into,” he said.

    According to a data report from the Department of Education, there are currently over 185,600 people with valid teaching certificates, but only 86,300 are employed and teaching.

    Mohammed said it’s going to take a lot of legislation and programs for the state to retain and recruit. House Bill 4369 is a start, she said.

    “Another Democrat and I have a bill package that would create a teacher pathway and give tuition assistance to professionals who choose to get their teaching certificates,” Koleszar said.”

  81. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Who is supporting them if they are not at work? Mistreated- are they really more mistreated then men are? Or do we just tolerate it? Teachers work in climate controlled buildings 9 months out of the year, with weekends, holidays and summers off.
    Wonder if they would run the other way on Normandy Beach as well?

    While there are definitely certain demographics that appear to be leaving the workforce in larger numbers than others (with Harvard Business Review noting that the highest number of exits are in tech and health care and among mid-career employees), one group in particular seems to be fed the eff up with being mistreated and under-appreciated at work: women. According to newly released data by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and analyzed by the National Women’s Law Center, in September alone, 309,000 women aged 20 and up left the labor force entirely, which means they are no longer working or actively looking for work.

  82. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Hey guys,
    How many of you feel mistreated at work? Under-appreciated?

    Judging by the stories I have read on here quite a few of you. But how many pick up their toys and go home this easily?

  83. BRT says:

    Get him some tp

  84. 3b says:

    Pumps: You double down again as always,WFH is a fad?? You truly are delusional it’s only getting started. Absolutely clueless as always. Oh and again you did not answer the question I originally posed. Just more deflection. Pumps the teacher claims to be an expert on corporate America, and freely offers his inane opinions. Fast and others myself included who work in corporate America cannot opine on his teacher profession.

    Do you see the disconnect yet pumps? No you don’t. Just amazing.

  85. Ex says:

    Nothing feels better than leaving a crappy job of any kind.
    Yes there are terrible jobs out there. Vote with your feet.
    Quitting is the besssst sometimes.

  86. Ex says:

    I’ve had my best “breaks” or extended time off between jobs.

  87. 3b says:

    Bystander: I agree, but ultimately in my opinion he will have no choice. I think it’s telling how he changed his language from transistors to well into next year. He may be laying the groundwork for what he is going to have to do whether he wants to or not.

  88. 3b says:

    Pumps: You post here more than anyone, no one comes close to you.

  89. Ex says:

    It’s rough out there sometimes. The individual gets abused by bad bosses and crappy conditions. Pity the fool that had to suck it up and take it.

  90. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Do you truly want to live like a mouse in a cage? Mixing work with your personal space is f’ing dangerous. People don’t understand that the moment you let your employer into your personal home, is the day you become a true mouse in a cage.

    For the love of god, i pray in person businesses can maintain a competitive advantage against this onslaught into our personal space at home. Keep cheering this crap on.

  91. BRT says:

    Someone predicted that Biden would channel cornholio ahead of time.

  92. 3b says:

    Pumps: You are just playing again, with your WFH , and it’s a great way to try again deflect because you are unwilling and unable to address my original post from this afternoon . And you wonder why people don’t like you.

  93. Ex says:

    Wife gets alone time at home … a gorgeous place with a pool and Mountain Views. She loves it. She puts in insane hours that would be spent getting ready and driving and is already on a call. International Marketing Exec at a premier bio-tech whose stock has gotten shellacked this month. But yeah, overall she’s happy.

    Pumps it was game over for privacy once Alexa came home to roost.

  94. Ex says:

    Oh, and not just any loser pumps – as you mentioned once, but a top talent high quadrant super earner f’ing babe.

    My biggest challenge not getting grabby in the kitchen when I
    See her there. My gawd she’s delicious. Somebody up there liked me .

  95. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “How long until more molecular diagnostics companies begin delineating ‘SaaS’ revenue?

    The amount of matched (and de-identified) genomic and clinical information these groups are generating is unprecedented.

    That information is invaluable to biopharma.”

  96. The Great Pumpkin says:


    We know each other’s positions. Let’s move on and let the future dictate the end of this debate. Our bets have been placed.

    I’ll stop being a prick if you do the same in return.

  97. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Privacy is extinct. We lived through it. Will be telling side stories to my future students about a time when you left your house to go play in the neighborhood, your parents had no idea where you were. Good ol dayzzz…

  98. The Great Pumpkin says:


    You were saying the other day…

    “Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 Vaccine for Young Kids Satisfied FDA Criteria, Agency Says
    FDA staff also said the benefits of giving the vaccine to 5- to 11-year-olds generally outweigh the risk of a rare heart condition”

  99. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Not trying to be a dick, but exactly what i said the other day. You were taking victory laps on anomalies. Now wsj article that just came out backs me up. Give a little respect to the history teachers. We are trained to be unbiased logical thinkers. That’s why we make such good lawyers.

  100. 3b says:

    Pumps: Answer the question I originally posed this afternoon. As for your so called position, it’s certainly not based on your unbiased logic, but rather your fear.

  101. No One says:

    Here’s a question Pumpkin might be able to answer. Is the gym teacher position still drawing in dykes like back in the 1980s?
    Back in high school there was the story of one lady gym teacher who caught some guys with a pron mag, she took it and retired to her office. There was also a handsome young guy gym teacher who was way too eager to teach the pretty cheerleaders how to wrestle. The English teacher intern who got arrested whacking it in the parking lot. The astronomy teacher guy who would take kids to overnight telescope camping trips who ended up getting arrested in a gay pedophile ring.
    Are high school teachers still peppered with pervs?

  102. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    No One,
    I was hoping for a gym teacher like Lassie.

  103. Libturd O’ Tired says:

    Top ‘o the morn to ya.

  104. Ex says:

    11:22 my former school made international news with one such case.
    English Teacher – NYU Grad- people said she acted like she ran the school.
    Very arrogant and entitled. Decided to have a serious affair with a kid.
    She was fired, went to trial. In her case avoids prison.
    Word is she changed her name and disappeared.

  105. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No one,

    Honestly, teaching is going to attract some pervs. Use logic. If you are perv, doesn’t teaching give you what you want? Access to being around kids all day. So I’m sure they are out there.

    I don’t think it’s happening at my school, but you never know.

  106. Ex says:

    Honestly, the teachers I have met are some of the finest people I have encountered in my professional life.

  107. Ex says:

    I see your Cat Power and raise you:

  108. PumpkinFace says:

    Do you where one of those propeller hats?

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    October 22, 2021 at 10:15 pm

    You were saying the other day…

    “Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 Vaccine for Young Kids Satisfied FDA Criteria, Agency Says
    FDA staff also said the benefits of giving the vaccine to 5- to 11-year-olds generally outweigh the risk of a rare heart condition”

  109. The Great Pumpkin says:


    That’s the truth. I’m blessed to work with some good people. Some of them do so much for these kids after hours. Good people.

    I can’t stress it enough, my school does not have failing scores because of the teachers. Lib told us the story of his son’s spanish teacher. In the urban school she felt helpless, in his son’s school, she felt empowered. Enough said.

  110. Ex says:

    Now what you do get when “adults” work together is a lot of grown up sex.
    The couplings that occur in school settings are the story. Man alive. I worked for one guy who ended up divorced (2 kids) after entering into a passionate affair with the head of his schools PTA. True story. But if you are single, male, and attractive as a teacher you will pull more WOMEN (if that’s your thing of course) than any man on the planet. Guaranteed. Straight single men who teach are as rare as hen’s teeth.

  111. Ex says:

    Test scores unfortunately for poor kids tell a story.
    For many the story is too much unsupervised time,
    Limited language skills, poor reading skills, and the likelihood
    Of failure if advanced studies are pursued. It takes grit, determination, intellect, and often a parent “monitoring” you to make strides on test scores.
    In some cases it takes more than that. But in the case of poor kids with two working parents it takes complete lifestyle changes and a shit-Ton of discipline .

  112. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Funny you say that. I have this one single male teacher that is 44. In the past 17 years i have worked there, I think he has slept with every desirable new teacher and god knows who else. I call him George Clooney. Lol

  113. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:
  114. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    They always make TV shows about horn dog hospitals. No one has time to do anything there.

    Someone needs to produce one like 90210 but with the employees instead of the students. Or maybe one with both. Wouldn’t be a comedy or drama, more like a documentary.

  115. Grim says:

    Moderna booster rougher than dose 2, about 21 hours in.

    Feeling miserable. 100.6, chills, headache, neck and lower back is killing me. Insomnia last night, was up at 3am.

    Hopefully this passes quick.

  116. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Hope you feel better. Breakthrough Covid was not fun either. I get the feeling that as this mutates we will all get days like this even after vaccination.

    It’s not going away. Just being tempered.

  117. Ex says:

    11:48 yeah, she’s done.

  118. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    She has gone off the reservation.

  119. Hold my beer says:

    Arlington texas cop gets fired 48 hours after shooting a driver in a cub de sac. I doubt he would have been fired in jersey. Worst case in NJ Probably gotten 6 months of paid leave and then a disability pension for having ptsd.

  120. Juice Box says:

    Feel Better Grim…..hopefully the microchip implant will take this time.

  121. Juice Box says:

    She should get a medal, those kids will now never forget “SohCahToa” — her dance mnemonic used to remember sine, cosine and tangent the three main functions in trigonometry.

  122. joyce says:

    Juice Box,
    Right, she’s a math teacher not a history teacher.

  123. Juice Box says:

    Joyce – There are dozens of American Indian cultures, they share no pan-Indian identity. The media however can always find one person somewhere who said it was insulting and quote them, but I bet there can find many more who find her teaching good or even great, but the media is too lazy. The nomadic north American Indians had mathematics. They were not savages, they had counting systems….I don’t think the teachers little mnemonic dance is harmful, but well she is white. So cancel her now…

  124. Juice Box says:

    My female cousin who is a teacher married another teacher, yes a man. He is a principal now in a tough but not toughest district. Great people. I have many teachers in the family. All great people. I am an evil capitalist but hey I don’t get a pension so it all evens out in the end.

  125. Juice Box says:

    Neighborhood anti-vaxxer Karen’s husband was discharged from the hospital after two days of Covid treatments so no go fund me needed. Karen said he is on blood thinners now, claims he is very healthy. I’ll bet he cannot walk around the block.

    Anyway….get your booster and get it now….There are BTW several new shots being developed. Our Military is creating one to defeat all variants.

    Top Secret so SHUUUSH!!!.

    spike ferritin nanoparticle (SpFN)….

  126. Ex says:

    5:24 the pension plan is very generous! If they live long enough, it’s worth a fortune.
    I knew folks working 30 plus years with six-figure pensions. Of course the average pension is lower as most people don’t stay long enough in one place to collect. The lifers clean up though.

  127. Juice Box says:

    Ex- Computer nerd like me did work for the City of NY for a stint. Program I was working on was the teachers pension. There is a law in there clause for a a guaranteed, defined-benefit pension on their Annuity, something like 8% a rarity these days.

  128. Hold my beer says:

    Why is this guy upset? This should make his home value increase. What are the odds of this happening twice to his backyard?

  129. No One says:

    So SNL claims Jen Psaki is a big truth teller and is “bad at lying”?
    Not really. Sounds like SNL’s big complaint is that Biden isn’t popular enough to get through the big left wing agenda they want.

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  131. BRT says:

    pretty lame skit IMO. Biden’s such an easy target for comedy and they don’t take the low hanging fruit. When George Bush puked all over the Japanese PM, SNL was ready that week with Dana ready to go.

  132. Old realtor says:

    Full dose of Moderna or half dose? I had a full dose about 3 weeks ago. It kicked my a$s.

  133. grim says:

    1/2 dose

  134. BRT says:

    I bet you microdosing would still yield a decent enough response.

  135. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Dear Tech Support Team,
    Last year I upgraded from Girlfriend 5.0 to Wife 1.0. I soon noticed that the new program began unexpected child-processes that took up a lot of space and valuable resources.
    In addition, Wife 1.0 installed itself into all other programs and now monitors all other system activities. Applications such as
    BachelorNights 10.3
    PlayBall 5.0
    BeerWithBuddies 7.5
    and Outings 3.6
    no longer run..crashing the system whenever selected.
    I can’t seem to keep Wife 1.0 in the background while attempting to run my favorite applications. I’m thinking about going back to Girlfriend 5.0 , but the ‘uninstall’ doesn’t work on Wife 1.0 .
    Please help!
    “A Troubled User”
    Dear Troubled User,
    This is a very common problem that people complain about.
    Many people upgrade from Girlfriend 5.0 to Wife 1.0 , thinking that it is just a Utilities and Entertainment program. Wife 1.0 is an OPERATING SYSTEM and is designed by its Creator to run EVERYTHING!!!
    It is also impossible to delete Wife 1.0 and to return to Girlfriend 5.0 . It is impossible to uninstall, or purge the program files from the system once installed. You cannot go back to Girlfriend 5.0 because Wife 1.0 is designed not to allow this.
    (Look in your Wife 1.0 Manual under Warnings-Alimony-Child Support).
    I recommend that you keep Wife1.0 and work on improving the environment. I suggest installing the background application “Yes Dear” to alleviate software augmentation. The best course of action is to enter the command C:\APOLOGIZE because ultimately you will have to give the APOLOGIZE command before the system will return to normal anyway.
    Wife 1.0 is a great program, but it tends to be very high maintenance. Wife 1.0 comes with several support programs, such as
    Clean 2.5
    Sweep 3.0
    Cook 1.5
    and DoLaundry 4.2.
    However, be very careful how you use these programs. Improper use will cause the system to launch the program NagNag 9.5.
    Once this happens, the only way to improve the performance of Wife 1.0 is to purchase additional software Dresses 2.1 and Jewellery 5.0.
    WARNING: DO NOT, under any circumstances, install SecretaryWithShortSkirt 3.3 . This application is not supported by Wife 1.0 and will cause irreversible damage to the operating system and to your computer as well.

  136. Juice Box says:

    How do you get a 1/2 dose? Slip a benjamin to the nurse?

  137. Libturd - getting jabbed with Gator on Tuesday. says:

    It’s all 1/2 dose at the county. Those who got the full dose cheated their way to the booster early or were legal but early adopters of the booster. Should be 1/2 booster for all going forward.

  138. BRT says:

    Here’s a hypothetical,

    could I walk in and get a 1/3 dose instead of a 1/2? I’d be more open to the kid’s dose.
    If they redefine “fully vaccinated”, I’m likely going J&J as my “booster”. I cannot do another mRNA. My 2nd shot was likely equivalent to everyone’s third given my previous infection. I reacted badly to the first shot. The 2nd shot had me bed ridden for 5 days and felt like it took literally 3 weeks to get back to normal. My cousin was hospitalized by his 1st shot.

  139. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    When it comes to medications, when has your doctor ever said, “just mix and match, taste the rainbow?”

    It’s bonkers.

  140. Grim says:

    You can’t get the j&j as a booster unless it was your original,

  141. BRT says:

    Grim, I’d just start from scratch. I’d take 2 or 3 adenovirus vaccines over another mRNA.

  142. Juice Box says:

    News says you can mix and match.

    “Any booster-eligible person can now get a new shot of Pfizer, Moderna or J&J — with the flexibility to choose, based on their individual circumstances.”

    Also dosages are below.

    “Pfizer and J&J’s boosters have the same dosages as their original vaccine regimens: 30 micrograms and 0.5 milliliters, respectively. Moderna’s booster is 50 micrograms per shot, which is half the dosage of its original 100-microgram vaccines.”

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