Real estate is never normal

From the NYT:

Will Real Estate Ever Be Normal Again?

The third time Drew Mena’s manager asked him about relocating to Austin, Texas, he and his wife, Amena Sengal, began to seriously consider it. They had deliberated each time before, in 2017 and 2018, but landed on a hard no: Drew and Amena had lived in New York for more than 10 years, and they loved it. They owned a two-unit townhouse in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood of Brooklyn, and they felt lucky to have it, with its yard and the kind of close-knit neighbors who compete to shovel one another’s sidewalks after a snowfall.

But now it was August 2020, and the pandemic had changed their calculus. When the city shut down, their daughter, Edie, was 7 months old; Drew and Amena co-parented while working full time, one at the kitchen island, the other at the breakfast table. In May, they escaped to Drew’s family’s cottage in New Hampshire, and gradually their tether to the city began to fray. When the relocation offer came in from Drew’s employer, an asset-management company, they started browsing listings online, and it looked as if they could get a lot more space in Austin. They would certainly save money on everything else, like gas and groceries. The world is ending, they said to themselves. Why the hell not?

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187 Responses to Real estate is never normal

  1. grim says:

    Murphy says to ignore the FDA/CDC and to just get the booster, ‘cuz we follow the science.

    N.J. likely to expand, simplify COVID vaccine booster eligibility soon, Murphy says

    “If you’re in doubt, get the darn booster,” Murphy said. “We want to make this as simple as possible. Now Thanksgiving is bearing down on us. Getting as many people boosted between now and the holidays is really important.”

  2. grim says:

    Speaking of … welcome to the next wave NJ, strap in.

    Rt up to 1.04 and seeing a clear upward trend in cases.

  3. BRT says:

    At what point do the triple jabbed start blaming the double jabbed?

  4. grim says:

    We’re now into what looks like the 4th straight week of seeing high first doses with Moderna. Trend really started late October, and looks to be running strong through November – roughly 3,500 first doses a day. Seeing a bit of an elevation of first doses through Pfizer – but these are likely kids doses (roughly 50,000 5-11 doses so far).

    Feel pretty strongly that this is the result of the widespread vax mandates we saw in October.

    Aggregate first dose numbers on the NJ website appear to be completely screwed up (reading significantly high) – wondering if they’ve got bad data, or are including a subset of boosters in that number. No way we jumped to 7.6 million in first doses over the past month, even this recent jump in the underlying data doesn’t support that (+400k in 4 weeks).

  5. BRT says:

    Israel study showed that 1 shot is 100% effective at preventing hospitalization in ages 12-17. If the kids get 1 jab, it is essentially the equivalent of an adult double jabbed. Probably better actually.

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    FYI- Wayne rt23 lot had the most cars since pre-pandemic. Slowly going back to normal.

  7. Bystander says:

    “Just because you do not agree does not make something ‘insane’.”

    Sure, left. Try to remind your side of applicable state laws next election.

  8. AJ says:

    “Aggregate first dose numbers on the NJ website appear to be completely screwed up (reading significantly high) – wondering if they’ve got bad data, or are including a subset of boosters in that number. ”

    Where I work we pull Vax data directly from the NJIIS system. They store and send the third/booster shot data in a way that doesn’t distinguish the shot as the third shot. The way we had our reporting set up we saw these as first shots. We identified and fixed this issue weeks ago by grinding through each person’s data. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reporting you are looking at is having the same issue and, since this is the State, I wouldn’t be surprised if it took weeks for them to identify/fix the issue.

  9. D-FENS says:

    I’m getting emails every day from my Son’s school and my Daughter’s. Multiple reported positive COVID cases that they’re reporting to the parents of the schoolkids.

    There’s definitely a wave coming…it may be here already

  10. JCer says:

    Bystander it was local democrats who violated the state constitution in PA, WI and elsewhere. I’m sorry the left is the side that manipulates the law far more often and it is a real problem whether you think so or otherwise laws must be enforced as intended. The judiciary should not fundamentally change a law or it’s scope whether you agree or disagree with the outcome.

  11. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Bystander. Your frustration is entirely misdirected. It should be directed toward the DA office and prosecutors who brought a meritless case to trial for political reasons. You’re being played and that guy should be disbarred.

  12. BRT says:

    Wave or no wave, we have no business shutting down schools. Teachers are free to boost away and wear N95s.

  13. Phoenix says:

    Chi,
    Great song. Made me laugh after a very, very, very long day. One that I would like to unsee.

    Anyone know where I can buy/borrow a Neuralyzer?

  14. Phoenix says:

    That DA had plenty of cases to bring to trial that he was too lazy to do-but since they are not high profile it’s not worth their time. That is how that office runs.

    It’s about career aspirations, notoriety, ego, money.

    It’s not about justice.

  15. Phoenix says:

    Things are tough out there for some. I can’t imagine what brings a guy to do this.

    A troubled Bergen County man apparently staged his own death using a running lawn mower, authorities said.

    Responders didn’t initially know the circumstances after finding the 33-year-old Fair Lawn man’s body in his backyard Monday afternoon.

    Then they discovered that he’d left a note before sticking his head inside the machine.

  16. Bystander says:

    PA mail in ballot law was changed in fall 2019, before pandemic by Republican legislature. Sorry JCer – the law is the law.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/08/josh-hawley/fact-checking-hawleys-claim-about-pennsylvania-mai/

    GOAT,

    As I said, no more from me. You can believe what you want.

  17. JCer says:

    That’s a very selective statement, Hawley is an idiot and his statement is false but it does not mean there were not constitutional issues in PA. Have you read the law passed in 2019? Under the auspices of COVID, the governor changed substantive rules around mail-in ballots that were explicitly defined in the legislation. The executive branch cannot by executive order change legislation, regardelss of who you support if we keep going down this road an we will wind up in N@zi germany.

  18. Libturd says:

    I am expecting this wave to be the worst of them, especially for the too stupid to be vaccinated and those without comorbidities. Feel free to correct me if you think I’m wrong.

    Those who were vaccinated early were mainly the elderly and the obese (as well as those with underlying conditions). Their vaccines are wearing off. This same group are the ones who are most likely to get the booster. Those who got the original shots a little later are likely going to wait a while for the booster and are going to lose their immunity from Covid right as the cases are going crazy. Looking at the charts of the countries that rolled out the original vaccines the quickest, you can see the impact of time on the efficacy of those vaccines as well as the steepness of this 3rd/4th spike due to the greater communicability of the D variant (which most of our country hasn’t experienced) as more were recently vaccinated during the last wave.

    It’s hard to nearly impossible to account for the power of the waning effects of the vaccines and their ability to prevent infection and hospitalizations. But one thing is certain. Less people will be boosted, leaving more of the population exposed to it and the likelihood of the spread is so much greater. Plus our guard, which was somewhat raised last time around is completely down. This time, super spreader events will be commonplace.

    This is an absolute recipe for disaster.

    My family still masks us when we can not be distanced from the public. We are the 1% who does. Last wave, we were probably part of the 50-70%.

    Go get your boosters now!

  19. Libturd says:

    As for Rittenhouse, seeing that the gun charges were dropped, he will walk. Sadly, he might have been safer in jail for a while and waiting for the hubbub to die down.

    The laws, as poorly written as they may be, must be applied as they are written.

    Yeah, this kid is as guilty as OJ, but if the glove don’t fit, you must acquit.

    He’ll get killed in the civil trials so at least he’ll never profit off of his book.

  20. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Good pbs video worth a watch. Grim alluded to this for years. One doctor marrying another doctor. You guys bust my balls for marrying a successful wife, but I wanted to protect myself by marrying someone on my same level as did she. The result of this is an aristocracy; just like nobles married other nobles to protect their wealth and position in society. We are now seeing the 9.9% do the same.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2-IwnoTrOI

  21. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Depression is no joke. This is horrible.

    “Then they discovered that he’d left a note before sticking his head inside the machine.”

  22. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    We’re bouncing along the baseline of the new cases graph as it trends downward over time. Covid is endemic. We’ll see a seasonal increase. Call it a wave if you prefer drama.

    Murphy disposed of the infirm in group housing early in so there is no possibility of a big jump in the death totals. Herd immunity has been reached largely. The pandemic is over in NJ.

  23. JCer says:

    Lib the question is guilty of what, abject stupidity for showing up to a riot? Yes but that in and of itself was not a crime in WI. The bigger crime was the failure of the local government and law enforcement to do their job creating an opening for private citizens to get involved in riots. If he is not convicted in the criminal trial it is unlikely there will be successful civil claims against him

  24. Libturd says:

    “The pandemic is over in NJ.”

    Sure it is. Don’t get your booster. If you are too stupid to do the right thing, then don’t go to the hospitals that I pay for when you get sick. Dare you to pledge that.

    At this point, I really, really, hope variant D kills all of the non-believers in science. It’s the least they deserve.

  25. grim says:

    There’s definitely a wave coming…it may be here already

    Wave or no wave, we have no business shutting down schools. Teachers are free to boost away and wear N95s.

    Morristown High went remote on Friday. I believe they plan to be virtual for 2 weeks.

  26. Libturd says:

    JCer,

    I completely disagree. Tell that to OJ, by the way. You are reaching politically here. You don’t get the right to murder what was pretty much a homeless dude, who throws a bag at you.

  27. Libturd says:

    From what I’ve read, the spread of D in many countries that let their guard down has necessitated the strictest of shut downs to get it under control. Or we can listen to the disciples of MyPillow and play Russian Roulette. The choice is yours.

    But fear not, the shutdown won’t apply to those vaccinated and boosted. That will be rich.

  28. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Science? Do you mean like antibody treatment? Or diet and exercise?

    Yeah, they work but hacks like fauci who is partly responsible for the pandemic want to ignore them so they can maintain their narrative.

    They’ve been wrong more than they’ve been right and got an incalculable number killed with their knee jerk reactions and unwillingness to change course. The lockdowns and shots both flopped.

    They still have no long term plan that they’ve communicated. They in covid isn’t going away but they keep pumping the same short term fixes and political calculated mandates.

  29. BRT says:

    Lib, I disagree. We have vaccines, monoclonals and pills that reduce hospitalization by near 90% on top of the vaccine. This is no longer a major threat IMO. But anyone that tests positive would be best to go to a doctor actually willing to treat it in the early stages instead of doing the stupid thing and tell them to go home and get more sick before you come back.

  30. D-FENS says:

    Look I’m vaccinated, but I’ll never understand the mind of a person who gleefully cheerleads the State restricting individual freedom. Who cares what someone else does with their body. Forcing someone to vaccinate is the least persuasive way to get vaccination rates up.

    Libturd says:
    November 16, 2021 at 10:55 am
    From what I’ve read, the spread of D in many countries that let their guard down has necessitated the strictest of shut downs to get it under control. Or we can listen to the disciples of MyPillow and play Russian Roulette. The choice is yours.

    But fear not, the shutdown won’t apply to those vaccinated and boosted. That will be rich.

  31. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Why is it so difficult to be an adult and see the big picture. This position of defending individual rights is so stupid being that we are in a pandemic. That’s why a smart philosopher feared true democracy, he never ever wanted to give that much power to selfish idiots.

    D-FENS says:
    November 16, 2021 at 11:21 am
    Look I’m vaccinated, but I’ll never understand the mind of a person who gleefully cheerleads the State restricting individual freedom. Who cares what someone else does with their body. Forcing someone to vaccinate is the least persuasive way to get vaccination rates up.

  32. D-FENS says:

    Mark my words…vaccines will fall out of favor soon anyway…even by the left. They are all brainwashed by the corporate news organizations who love that pharma advertising money.

    Once the Pharma’s come up with their pricey therapeutic pills that treat COVID We’ll see the likes of CNN, MSNBC etc. reporting how dangerous vaccines are. Vaccines are a competing product to their new therapeutics. Follow the money.

  33. PumpkinFace says:

    You’re such an idiot.

    Democracy = all it takes is a majority to impose their will on everyone
    Constitutional Republic = protects individual/minority rights

    That’s the cliff notes version, which I’m sure you still won’t understand.

  34. D-FENS says:

    So much stupidity in this statement…I just can’t deal. My point…right over your head.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 16, 2021 at 11:25 am
    Why is it so difficult to be an adult and see the big picture. This position of defending individual rights is so stupid being that we are in a pandemic. That’s why a smart philosopher feared true democracy, he never ever wanted to give that much power to selfish idiots.

  35. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s like, no I won’t take this vaccine that helps me and society overall, my individual rights matter more. What a f/ing hill to stand on. Tell me you are selfish without saying it.

    Yes, you can still spread the virus when vaccinated, but guess what, it’s a lot more difficult as the virus doesn’t last as long in someone that is vaccinated. Unvaccinated it lasts longer, hence, leads to more spreading. But that’s what the unvaccinated want…they want to show how big their balls are by taking on the virus without a vaccine because “they are so healthy and strong.” F’ing tools.

  36. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So tell me again how the vaccine doesn’t help. Is it 100%, no, but wtf, anything helps in a pandemic.

    “Abstract
    Beyond their substantial protection of individual vaccinees, coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines might reduce viral load in breakthrough infection and thereby further suppress onward transmission. In this analysis of a real-world dataset of positive severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) test results after inoculation with the BNT162b2 messenger RNA vaccine, we found that the viral load was substantially reduced for infections occurring 12–37 d after the first dose of vaccine. These reduced viral loads hint at a potentially lower infectiousness, further contributing to vaccine effect on virus spread.”

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01316-7

  37. D-FENS says:

    You demonstrate a complete misunderstanding of human behavior. You cannot mandate your way to higher vaccination rates. Not in this country.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 16, 2021 at 11:29 am
    It’s like, no I won’t take this vaccine that helps me and society overall, my individual rights matter more. What a f/ing hill to stand on. Tell me you are selfish without saying it.

    Yes, you can still spread the virus when vaccinated, but guess what, it’s a lot more difficult as the virus doesn’t last as long in someone that is vaccinated. Unvaccinated it lasts longer, hence, leads to more spreading. But that’s what the unvaccinated want…they want to show how big their balls are by taking on the virus without a vaccine because “they are so healthy and strong.” F’ing tools.

  38. D-FENS says:

    You are arguing a point that I am not making.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 16, 2021 at 11:32 am
    So tell me again how the vaccine doesn’t help. Is it 100%, no, but wtf, anything helps in a pandemic.

    “Abstract
    Beyond their substantial protection of individual vaccinees, coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines might reduce viral load in breakthrough infection and thereby further suppress onward transmission. In this analysis of a real-world dataset of positive severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) test results after inoculation with the BNT162b2 messenger RNA vaccine, we found that the viral load was substantially reduced for infections occurring 12–37 d after the first dose of vaccine. These reduced viral loads hint at a potentially lower infectiousness, further contributing to vaccine effect on virus spread.”

  39. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So much stupidity in not taking the vaccine…I just can’t deal. My point…right over your head.

    D-FENS says:
    November 16, 2021 at 11:28 am
    So much stupidity in this statement…I just can’t deal. My point…right over your head.

  40. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Was talking about true democracy you mental midget. That’s why I referenced a “smart philosopher.” aka socrates.

    PumpkinFace says:
    November 16, 2021 at 11:27 am
    You’re such an idiot.

    Democracy = all it takes is a majority to impose their will on everyone
    Constitutional Republic = protects individual/minority rights

    That’s the cliff notes version, which I’m sure you still won’t understand.

  41. D-FENS says:

    I said I was vaccinated. What on earth are you arguing?

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 16, 2021 at 11:34 am
    So much stupidity in not taking the vaccine…I just can’t deal. My point…right over your head.

  42. PumpkinFace says:

    If we lived in a true democracy, you’d get what you wanted dumb@ss. If we lived in a democracy and 50%+1 people wanted a vaccine mandate, we’d have one.

  43. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Sorry, you usually lean strong right when it comes to issues. I had no idea you were vaccinated.

    D-FENS says:
    November 16, 2021 at 11:37 am
    I said I was vaccinated. What on earth are you arguing?

  44. JCer says:

    Lib, the “homeless” guy was a predator who made violent threats and then attacked an armed individual. OJ was a different situation, where maybe one could argue there was reasonable doubt but there was certainly evidence of his guilt. In the Ahmed Arbury case if the shooters walk they most likely would lose a civil case but they probably will lose the criminal case unless they have fantastic lawyers and some good evidence we haven’t heard about yet.

    If anything once acquitted I’d expect Rittenhouse to sue the prosecutors for misconduct.

  45. crushednjmillenial says:

    Anyone concerned about covid . . .

    Does anyone who is concerned about covid believe that the US death rate will reach 1% of the population (that is, 3m deaths) by next summer?

    We are currently at 760k deaths, or .25% of the population has died from covid. This death rate was reached even including the fact that the American South has not taken much precautions since May 2020. The bars have been open counrywide for months and even in NYC the bars were open for quite a while before there were vax card showing requirements.

    And, I’m not going to hide my point. Even if covid killed 1% or 2% of the population, our overreaction is outrageous. The government is getting away with this because the american people are not (1) looking up the death numbers; (2) contextualizing this number as a LOW LOW LOW percentage of the entire population; (3) zooming into the fact that the death rate for people under 50 years old is probably less statistically likely than dying from driving. To save the lives of maybe 1% of the US population (the overwhleming majority of which likely have life expectancies in the single-digit years in a world without covid), the US government may have sowed the seeds for tremendous economic distress or collapse ($5T extra federal debt). And, finally, this minor pandemic (again, death rate of maybe trending toward 1%, not 5% or 10% or more) prompted the government to throw all kinds of individual liberties out the window at a drop of a hat. The government persuading people to vax is fantastic, mandates are not.

  46. No One says:

    Infection rate per capita much higher in NJ than FL now. FL 7 cases per 100,000, NJ 17 cases per 100,000.
    Government is paying for free vaccinations. Let people live like free people, be smart or dumb, it’s their lives. I shook hands with people playing tennis outdoors in perfect 68 degree weather this sunny morning in Florida. Net, better for my health than cowering indoors wearing a mask. I didn’t immediately use hand sanitizer afterwards!

    Chinese people are proud of themselves for genuflecting before the COVID emergency state for nearly two years, as obedience to the state is among the highest virtues. Everyone gets tested and tracked electronically all the time, people still are rarely allowed to travel outside their home provinces, and nearly nobody is allowed to come into Beijing. Yet still Covid is flaring up. Some Americans want this sort of life imposed on all of America, but fortunately there a some Americans who still see this country as the land of the free and home of the brave and don’t want to live like Chinese sheep.

  47. crushednjmillenial says:

    From day 1 of the Rittenhouse issue, the video looked to pretty clearly show self-defense. Gunshots in response to physical attacks. He shoots as a response to behavior by others. It’s on video.

    If he gets acquitted, I hope he files the malicious prosecution lawsuit. I’d think a lot of lawyers would line up to take the case for the publicity.

  48. grim says:

    Feel like they opened it up to lesser charges so Rittenhouse wouldn’t be acquitted of all charges, which from an optics perspective would have been disaster from the prosecution standpoint.

  49. Old realtor says:

    No discussion of federal weapons charges against Rittenhouse? Think this should be a slam dunk. In federal sentencing the fact that the crime resulted in a death would magnify the sentence. The Kyle Rittenhouse legal journey is just getting warmed up.

  50. Libturd says:

    That’s what Gator said Oldie.

    And as to mandates, there are so many of them already, why is this the one that everyone goes apesh1t over. For instance, I can’t bring outside food into a stadium or smoke in a movie theatre.

    Were we less patriotic and freedom loving when the prior pandemics or diseases occured? What is different now?

    I know. Trump.

    You want to choice to put your neighbors at risk? Go move to wear your stupidity is celebrated. For the rest of us, you will always remain as selfish @ssholes.

    And you think you are free?

  51. Libturd says:

    Holy cripes I should have proofread that.

    Too busy. Catch you all around midnight again. Work is crazy. Thank you Biden. :P

  52. Libturd says:

    And stop turning Rittenhouse into a hero. All four involved are equally braindead.

  53. joyce says:

    Nope, no politics in this comment at all. Come on, Libturd.

    Libturd says:
    November 16, 2021 at 12:24 pm

    I know. Trump.

  54. SmallGovConservative says:

    The Dem stooges showing their true colors over the Rittenhouse affair. They, like more and more modern day Dems/leftists truly want tyranny; a world in which anyone that disagrees with them is imprisoned, canceled, quarantined, or otherwise shunned and made to pay for their views. As noted, this dumb kid never should’ve been charged. Having been charged, once the ‘victim’ admitted to having first pointed a gun at him, and the prosecutors violated multiple pre-trial orders, and the chairman of the House Democratic Caucus tweeted that he should be imprisoned indefinitely (which is the only thing that would satisfy Lib, Bi, etc), the trial should’ve been terminated with prejudice. Ultimately, the only way to respond to the irrational petulance of wannabe tyrants like Lib, Bi, or Hakeem Jeffries, is to satirize them and their un-American views — like these guys have done…

    Liberals Accuse Rittenhouse Of Trying To Avoid Punishment Through Legal Loophole Known As ‘Trial’ — https://babylonbee.com/news/liberals-accuse-rittenhouse-of-trying-to-avoid-punishment-through-legal-loophole-known-as-trial

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Small,

    Politics aside, he shot and killed people. He’s just as dangerous as the people rioting in the street. Cool, self defense. I get it, but if i go into the ghetto when they are rioting over racism, it’s not a good look for a white guy to run around with a gun protecting the neighborhood. He sucks, just as much as the BLM protestors. I don’t want to see him in jail, just a young kid, but can we use him as an example to do better as parents? Maybe we do need better gun laws? I don’t know, but guns and people just doesn’t mix. Too many dangerous people out there.

  56. BRT says:

    Widespread vaccination has proven to not prevent spread. It’s very leaky. So you are operating on false premise. A statistician brought up that it’s possible that they refused to acknowledge natural immunity because it would change their vaccine efficacy numbers. 60% effective 4 months out might actually be 30% if half the people were already infected. If in fact, the amount of people that we believe were already infected were, those vaccines may be less effective than your typical flu vaccine.

    We should be vaccinating the at risk with boosters. That’s a precautionary measure that makes perfect sense. But to continually jab the general population thinking it’s going to contain it…it’s wishful thinking. The only way this tampers down is when the amount of people that have actually had the virus enter their system crosses some threshold value. We may be there in NJ, we may not? Why don’t we know? Because we haven’t even bothered to collect the data.

  57. No One says:

    Pumps and Lib agreeing on vaccinations vs liberty… Libturd and Pumpkin sitting in a tree, K I S S I N G. First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes an adopted kid in a baby carriage. Like the bootyjudges.

  58. BRT says:

    Rittenhouse is a LARPer being chased by an angry mob. He’s not guilty of murder, just putting himself in a dumb position. I wonder if he never fired if the prosecutor would have charged the two deceased with assault? I find it funny the prosecutor says the second you point a gun, you are guilty. So Gaige made his quick draw move at Rittenhouse after he had his hands up acting like he’s Johnny Ringo about to go after Doc Holiday. Why is he allowed to point a gun?

  59. Libturd says:

    Joyce,

    It’s not the politics of Trump. It’s this brazenness that he instilled in his supporters. So much so that some of them thought they could negate the results of the election. We are living in crazytown USA.

    I was down in AC on Friday night. I sat next to a Trumpy lady who was talking to a complete stranger. After she makes some nonsensical comment about how Borgata tightened up their machines, (since she wasn’t winning) she then complains about the smoke in the casin0. I told her to put on a mask for I didn’t smell anything but my bad breath. She immediately goes into a tirade about how the Democrats are ruining the world with their masks and vaccines to which I ask her if she was vaccinated, to which she said she was not. I promptly moved, but I could still hear her. Heck a deaf person could have heard her. Well she goes on to tell the other person that she buried her mom from Covid, but she didn’t believe it was really covid. The stranger she was talking too said she had been vaccinated and even got the booster, but she didn’t think it even works because some people were still getting sick. I wanted so badly to bring up the regular flu vaccine and how breakthroughs occur with them, but there is no talking any sense into people who have bought the Trump narrative. And that’s the danger in it. All politicians suck and they all lie. But Trump has brought it to a level that has turned our country into moron central.

    Perhaps we alway were Joyce. But I liked it better when the asses generally kept to themselves. Stole the election. Come on now. Who is he placating. Only the dumbest of the dumb could believe that crap.

    This woman buried her own mother, but still thinks the vaccine is a government ploy. We are truly a country of morons.

  60. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Crushed,

    I understand your point, but doesn’t every life matter?

    Car accidents deaths we try to prevent, musk wants to go as far as getting people out of driving a car to prevent more deaths.

    We went to war over 9/11, maybe we should just get rid of all the safety protocols in place to protect us from another terrorist attack. Only a small percentage die to these attacks, yet we still try to prevent them. Should we take the position stated below on covid and apply it to terrorism?

    What’s the right answer?

    crushednjmillenial says:
    November 16, 2021 at 11:51 am
    Anyone concerned about covid . . .

    Does anyone who is concerned about covid believe that the US death rate will reach 1% of the population (that is, 3m deaths) by next summer?

    We are currently at 760k deaths, or .25% of the population has died from covid. This death rate was reached even including the fact that the American South has not taken much precautions since May 2020. The bars have been open counrywide for months and even in NYC the bars were open for quite a while before there were vax card showing requirements.

  61. JCer says:

    Pumps, this is why the local government and law enforcement should not have abrogated their responsibility. Once the burning starts, the business owners are going to try to protect their sh*t. Allowing these “protests”(aka riots) to continue is the problem. If it wasn’t Rittenhouse it would have been a shopkeeper killing an arsonist. You cannot permit lawlessness as it just creates more and more lawlessness. If the authorities weren’t letting the city burn perhaps we wouldn’t have seen armed vigilantes.

  62. No One says:

    BRT,
    But doesn’t vaccination reduce fatalities? Surely there’s data on that. Biden promised the nation on TV that if you get vaccinated, you won’t get COVID. No disclaimers. Where are the fact-checkers?
    I just got my Moderna booster Saturday. Just over 7 months after my second shot. Much less reaction this time, just a little extra muscle soreness the next couple days. Too bad they aren’t adding more strains to the booster.

  63. grim says:

    The only way this tampers down is when the amount of people that have actually had the virus enter their system crosses some threshold value. We may be there in NJ, we may not? Why don’t we know? Because we haven’t even bothered to collect the data.

    Suspect that we’re going to find that infection confers only temporary immunity as well, like many of the other seasonal flu viruses.

  64. No One says:

    The lockups created more psychos of all political persuasions. Yet another thing government “experts” failed to account for among the side effects of their tyranny.

  65. Libturd says:

    First Small,

    I said he should walk. I read the case and realized how fukced up the gun laws are up in those parts (don’t forget, I spend a lot of time in rural Minnesota). My opinion is that those gun laws need changing so others don’t try to practice vigilante justice. Heck, you acted like it was the end of the god damned world when a protestor has a brick or a bottle. Anyone who brings a gun to a protest or riot doesn’t belong in a protest or riot. I don’t feel sympathy for any of them. Nor will I make any of them out to be heroes. Rittenhouse is extremely lucky. Lord knows he has no clue what the gun laws were, nor should he have ever been able to obtain one in the first place.

    Now tell me what the good boys on FoxNews said.

  66. JCer says:

    They need to reformulate, I would boost if it was for the delta strain. My wife has a younger friend in her 30’s who both her and her husband got breakthrough infections only 2 months after receiving the vaccine and her husband was VERY sick. I have serious concerns relating to the efficacy of the vaccines, there are strains of COVID circulating out there that the current Pfizer vaccine is nearly 100% ineffective against, if the viral load is equivalent to an un-vaxinated person the vaccine is doing nothing, it is not reducing severity or death, this means total escape from the antibodies it’s common sense.

  67. BRT says:

    Suspect that we’re going to find that infection confers only temporary immunity as well, like many of the other seasonal flu viruses.

    That’s true. But it makes subsequent infections more mild as the body still recognizes several parts of a mutated virus. But I was more talking about eliminating the major waves. Moreover, in many viruses, some people do produce long lasting immunity. Many of the people who recovered from SARS in 2003 still have tested positive for antibodies/T-cell recognition nearly 20 years later.

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bingo. He made a lot of people hate any Americans that are not in line with their thought process. He made a ton of people hate the govt and believe in conspiracies. The guy has done a tremendous amount of long term damage to our country…how long will it take for us to recover from this?

    Libturd says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:00 pm
    Joyce,

    It’s not the politics of Trump. It’s this brazenness that he instilled in his supporters. So much so that some of them thought they could negate the results of the election. We are living in crazytown USA.

  69. Libturd says:

    JCer,

    How do you stop a protest?

    Would you have used the same tactics against the insurrectionists? Think about this very carefully before you implicate yourself.

    Riots are not easy to stop. Protests become riots very easily. Kill a protestor and it becomes a riot. Kill a rioter and riots tend to spread like the fires they often start. I’ve studied the riots of the late 60s. They are not easy to squash. It’s kind of like trying to escape from Afghanistan without any deaths. It simply isn’t going to happen.

  70. Libturd says:

    And stop with the lockdowns. There weren’t any. Not here at least. Everyone I know still shopped at ShopRite, still ordered take out, still travelled. Americans are simply too stupid to actually lockdown.

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So imagine if they took on the virus without added protection? It’s not going to hurt, it will only help.

    When people claim you still get the virus with the vaccine….i ask…what are you saying, just do nothing? I do not understand this position at all. Not implying you do it, just generalizing.

    JCer says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:10 pm
    They need to reformulate, I would boost if it was for the delta strain. My wife has a younger friend in her 30’s who both her and her husband got breakthrough infections only 2 months after receiving the vaccine and her husband was VERY sick. I have serious concerns relating to the efficacy of the vaccines, there are strains of COVID circulating out there that the current Pfizer vaccine is nearly 100% ineffective against, if the viral load is equivalent to an un-vaxinated person the vaccine is doing nothing, it is not reducing severity or death, this means total escape from the antibodies it’s common sense.

  72. Libturd says:

    “how long will it take for us to recover from this?”

    I fear the country will not recover from it. Not when the Dems give you Biden/Harris.

    Can’t wait to watch Trump get reelected in 2024. Biden is going to RBG the Democrats. Just watch. I should be watching from Costa Rica and laughing like a hyena.

  73. grim says:

    I’ve got 2 friends are in the hospital with covid, despite having 2 doses of the PFE vax in the summer, both in their 50s.

    Not sure if anyone has the data points, but seems like the PFE vax is a real stinker compared to Moderna.

  74. D-FENS says:

    Family up the street from us all vaxed…all sick…positive for COVID If the vax was supposed to reduce symptoms it isn’t working for them. The father is a teacher and get’s tested pretty often.

  75. Libturd says:

    “there are strains of COVID circulating out there that the current Pfizer vaccine is nearly 100% ineffective against,”

    Where did you read this?

    I agree with BRT that we should focus on the newer strains. But the research I have read all point to the bodies ability to fight off any of the strains improving after your body has had a chance to fight off any of the strains.

    Your anecdotal evidence is no more than that. I know lots of people who claim they take the flu shot every year who don’t. They usually claim they had the shot after the come down with the flu. But in most cases, they never had the shot.

    Ask anyone who religiously gets the flu shot and they will tell you that they never got the flu after being vaccinated for it.

    Does the vaccine work? Yes. But it only works if nearly everyone gets it and stays boosted.

    The rest is mostly political excuses. You can argue that not everyone will be boosted simultaneously around the world to stop the spread and you might have a valid point there. But most of the evidence proven here is as flimsy as the prosecutor’s in the Rittenhouse trial.

    Toodles.

  76. BRT says:

    grim, your buddies should be given monoclonal antibodies ASAP. If they haven’t offered, they should be requesting them.

  77. JCer says:

    Libturd, you order a lock down and you disperse people, you arrest people and prosecutors don’t drop charges, you make it very clear than anyone caught engaging in a riot will wish they were dead after the punishment that will come down.

    The problem is a consequence free environment, the messaging from the leadership in Wisconsin was clear, you can riot and there will be no consequences, the feckless governor should stand trial for the property damage and loss of life from the riots, the messaging needs to be clear do not go out to these riots those who do will be prosecuted. I don’t care if they needed to use tear gas and rubber bullets.

  78. BRT says:

    Lib,

    an alternative to that would be to develop a deactivated virus vaccine, which has far more genetic information than just a spike protein. Why they didn’t go this route is beyond me? I think the industry saw a temporary opportunity to test on mRNA without repercussions and went for broke.

  79. Libturd says:

    “If the vax was supposed to reduce symptoms it isn’t working for them.”

    Let me know when anyone of them are hospitalized.

    Our guard is now down. This is why this Winter is really going to suck. Wish we’d hear it from the government so some people will do the right thing. But no politician today is willing to tell the truth. Especially if the truth hurts.

  80. grim says:

    The other issue I think is a major one, is this trend of bucketing all vaccines together to discuss vaccine effectiveness.

    I understand there is a huge desire to attempt to simplify this from a communications perspective, but there is a vast different in vaccine efficacy between J&J, PFE, and Moderna, and there seems to be a major reluctance to point to any one of them as being less effective.

  81. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    I think it was just timing and then money.

    A good administration would be creating a space program to develop a REAL vaccine. But we don’t have an effective government. We have a corrupt piece of sh1t that is probably in its last century. A civil war, bringing the value of our treasuries into peril would be the end of this country. I don’t see any hope for a solution to the battle being played by the two parties. It is clear, we are no longer interested in creating laws to better our livelihoods. Our politicians are more interested in perverting them for gains in personal power and enrichment.

    I’ll admit it, we have replaced a president who makes up sh1t with a president who can’t complete a coherent sentence. And the citizenship is generally cool with it. Let them get what they deserve.

  82. Libturd says:

    “there seems to be a major reluctance to point to any one of them as being less effective.”

    That’s because big pharma (and all of the other mega corporations) have been in bed with big government for so long. Gotta keep that gravy train running.

    If you haven’t subscribed to this epidemiologist Gator knew from college (I think), then you shouldn’t even be talking about any of this. And Grim, she has been doing her best to track the efficacy of each vaccine against each strain. It’s all there for you to read. And yes, she pointed out the weakness of Pfizer weeks ago.

    But even a week Pfizer is better than no Pfizer. She also has recommendations, based on her research, about the potential of mixing vaccines for improved efficacy.

    I don’t speak out of my butt, like a lot of the wonks do here. I get my research from scientists, not end of the political spectrum news outlets. It’s time to stop politicising the vaccine. It does more good than hurt in all cases. Especially now that they half dosed the younger ones. You can choose to be selfish or you can be a good citizen. This is your choice.

  83. No One says:

    During a July 2021 CNN town hall, U.S. President Joe Biden falsely stated that “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” and “If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die.”

    Very unscientific statements. And it’s also very unscientific to be so incurious about the subsequent data regarding efficacy and side-effect profiles of competing vaccines.

  84. No One says:

    Meanwhile, the American Medical Association is busy re-writing health narratives according to Critical Race Theory in their new guide “Advancing Health Equity”:

    https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2021/11/the-danger-of-demanding-woke-physicians.html

    The medical profession won’t remain more broadly trusted than left-wing activists if the two become indistinguishable. And that’s what will happen if doctors follow the guide’s advice. Instead of saying, “Low-income people have the highest level of coronary artery disease,” it urges health professionals to substitute this doctrinaire sentence: “People underpaid and forced into poverty as a result of banking policies, real estate developers gentrifying neighborhoods, and corporations weakening the power of labor movements, among others, have the highest level of coronary artery disease.”

    In a section attacking “the narrative of individualism,” the guide posits that health promotion “typically means educating people as individuals,” and urges “shifting this narrative, from the individual to the structural, in order to more fully understand the root causes of health inequities in our society.” It’s already hard enough to get my conservative grandfather to heed his doctors about how best to care for a bad back worn down from decades in construction. A new narrative meant to problematize real-estate developers or individualism would not improve his medical condition, but it would inflame his temper. One wonders if the AMA and the AAMC grasp how many patients of all races and socioeconomic groups (never mind doctors) strongly disagree with the agenda that the two organizations are pushing. Either way, patients will feel put off by doctors who sound like ideologues from a different political tribe.

  85. JCer says:

    Lib nonsense on the vaccine, do you know how the adaptive immune system works? The flu vaccine is totally different, flu strains are different, the mechanism of infection is different, influenza is a whole family of viruses where they attempt to predict the prevalent virus and strains to immunize against seasonally, what happens with the flu is commonly you’ll have totally different viruses every year so not only was your last infection of that virus quite a while ago it has also evolved in that time. Endemic viruses move through people and animal populations around the globe finding a reservoir multiplying and evolving. What we have seen with COVID so far is one virus with a bunch of different strains, it does not mutate as readily as influenza. In any event the flu vaccine is anywhere from 25%-65% effective in a given year, given how many unvaccinated do not catch the flu in a given year your odds of infection are exceedingly low when vaccinated so there is no surprise that you aren’t getting it, we know the flu vaccine is effective especially for at risk people.

    What conclusion can you draw when you have breakthrough cases where the patient is shedding an equivalent amount of virus and exhibiting severe symptoms while having been vaccinated within the last 6 months and having perfect health prior to infection? If the person had a normal immune system and created antibodies you have a virus that looks like total escape, it has defeated your immunity if it can replicate to the same extent as a non-vaccinated person, the vaccine confers literally no benefit. On the contrary people who recovered from SARS nearly 20 years ago have reduced viral load because of memory T-cells.

  86. Libturd says:

    No one,

    Did he then claim to steal the election and grab women by their private parts also without providing the proof?

    It is scientific fact that the vaccine is effective. Perhaps the message would have been more clearer if he said the vaccine was 99.9987234% effective at keeping you out of the hospital and alive. Now, you are just being politically stupid.

    Easter. Your man said this would be over by EASTER! Just STFU!

  87. Bystander says:

    Unrelated question, should this person be alive? She looks like a threat to me and self defense seems justified. I am sure Smallbrain would have come up with different reasoning.

    shorturl.at/gjuCN

  88. Libturd says:

    “What conclusion can you draw when you have breakthrough cases where the patient is shedding an equivalent amount of virus and exhibiting severe symptoms while having been vaccinated within the last 6 months and having perfect health prior to infection?”

    That you are looking for one offs and ignoring the math. It’s always political with you guys. Like the lady who buried her mom, but doesn’t believe it was Covid. The narrative is more important than the truth.

  89. Juice Box says:

    BRT – I was up in Bergen county yesterday. The main road Teaneck Road from the Turnpike up to Washington St in Bergenfield looks very run down. Lots of closed restaurants, car dealerships, small offices etc. Lots of properties not kept up either. I guess when people come from NYC to buy an over taxed cape cod they don’t care about main street. There is only one supermarket in town too Stop & Shop.

    SOLD $950k to live in Bergenfield..Taxes are going to be insane too once this flip gets it’s new tax bill of $30,000.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/29-Sussex-Rd-Bergenfield-NJ-07621/37854824_zpid/

  90. Libturd says:

    ” do you know how the adaptive immune system works?”

    I trust the scientists who have no political motivation to lie. Who know science changes and does not try to use those changes for political points.

    Sorry man. I love you, but your perspective is too narrow. At least BRT, Grim and I are not looking to make the right or left look good or bad. Just sick of wearing masks and being careful. And don’t tell me masks don’t work. Try telling that to your local surgeon.

  91. leftwing says:

    Did a Broadridge proxy vote yesterday. Stupid easy. Email from my broker, direct link in the email takes me to Broadridge site. No confirmation necessary, security/clearance must be embedded.

    Three clicks, no typing, and I was done.

    Must be massive margin on that…..can’t imagine fees have come down as fast as those costs…

  92. JCer says:

    BRT is on the money the small snippet the mRNA vaccines are targeting focuses immunity escape on a relatively small genetic sequence. There are two possibilities for breakthrough infection insufficient quantity of antibodies, the so called waning of antibodies or escape. I surmise we are seeing both and Pfizer as the most dominant and earliest vaccine literally has caused the vaccinated to incubate strains capable of escape. The simple limited number of cases being sequenced and the methods being used to do the sequencing would result in these mutations not being detected and becoming prevalent in highly vaccinated communities.

  93. grim says:

    $950k in Bergenfield? What kind of idiot…

    Hold on, it sold at the Zestimate amount? Did Zillow buy it?

  94. 3b says:

    Lib: Yale School of Medicine study dated November 3 says Pfizer and Moderna are both similar and the the efficacy of both is similar.

  95. No One says:

    Libturd, maybe the vax has gotten to your memory. I’ve never been pro-Trump, just anti-statist and anti-collectivist. Trump was a big-government populist, an economic interventionist, and he hiked my taxes.

  96. 3b says:

    Juice: Bergenfield is such a sad dreary looking town. I am told by former residents it started to decline when those high school kids committed suited back in the late 80s.

  97. grim says:

    Rt up to 1.08 today.

    Stock up on toilet paper.

  98. grim says:

    Crazy lady has her finger on the trigger

  99. leftwing says:

    “Sure, left. Try to remind your side of applicable state laws next election.”

    Absolutely, since your side does have a tendency to make up rules as they go along, like throwing out ballot collection boxes, so I’ll be sure to keep a good eye out for any more of your shenanigans….

  100. JCer says:

    lib the purpose of a surgeon wearing a mask is very different, it is to keep saliva out of an open wound, they perform admirably at that. The guy wearing a sock over his face to prevent spreading a virus, yeah ineffective. N95 against COVID, sure it is effective when worn properly.

    There is no such thing as non-politicized science at this point, the science around the vaccine is approaching what science looked like in the soviet union. Pfizer has been caught manipulating data about vaccine efficacy, need I say more.

    I’m not being political, if the vaccine would end the pandemic yeah have at it. I got it as soon as it was available thinking that yeah this will end now. But it clearly isn’t working so I don’t know that we should be injecting small children who are not at elevated risk nor boosting those folks who aren’t at elevated risk. Nor should we be instituting vaccine passport or other such heavy handed measures. The narrative that the spread would be stopped by the vaccine seems to have been overwhelmingly false, Israel seems to be proving this narrative.

  101. crushednjmillenial says:

    Pumpkin at 1:00 . . .

    Every individual death is, of course, a terrible tragedy.

    However, that obvious statement does not prevent our society from permitting people to drive despite driving causing 30k deaths per year in the US. As with everything in life, there is a cost-benefit calculation that needs to be made about. 760k Americans died to covid. Conceivably, maybe, maybe at most our lockdowns and such maybe saved 3m lives (realistically much less, and overwhelmingly according to the statistics these are very old people). I would hope that the even the Murphys, Cuomos, Bidens and Fauci’s of the world would acknowledge that all the lockdowns and economic disruption weren’t worth it if it was all to save 300k lives.

    I suppose your tenant caught up on his rent, so since it isn’t affecting your pocket you don’t care anymore. But, do you remember that King Murphy essentially wanted both your tenants to have still not paid you any rent since April 2020? How would you feel if you had a small main street business and they shut you down for three months and they still keep talking about teh disease that 99.7% have lived through.

  102. No One says:

    Scientists have no motivation to lie? That’s hilarious. What about the whole climate crisis profession, where the more dire the scenarios they think up, the more funding they get and the more status and importance and power they get?

    I don’t doubt that vaccines are helpful, which is why I’ve taken three. Luckily I got the one that’s most effective. Too bad for the folks that got the weaker ones. But where’s the “consumer reports” activism or the data to back it up. Every car model gets a rating, but vaccines don’t. Every football game has all kinds of odds and bets and side-bets that statisticians provide and people obsess over, but nobody does the same for COVID vaccines?

    I hear scientists are now distracted chasing after government grants for woke research, a trend which accelerated during the Trump admin, btw:
    cspicenter.org/reports/increasing-politicization-and-homogeneity-in-scientific-funding-an-analysis-of-nsf-grants-1990-2020/

    The National Science Foundation (NSF) is the main governmental scientific grant distributing body in the United States, with an annual budget of over $8 billion.
    This report uses natural language processing to analyze the abstracts of successful grants from 1990 to 2020 in the seven fields of Biological Sciences, Computer & Information Science & Engineering, Education & Human Resources, Engineering, Geosciences, Mathematical & Physical Sciences, and Social, Behavioral & Economic Sciences.
    The frequency of documents containing highly politicized terms has been increasing consistently over the last three decades. As of 2020, 30.4% of all grants had one of the following politicized terms: “equity,” “diversity,” “inclusion,” “gender,” “marginalize,” “underrepresented,” or “disparity.” This is up from 2.9% in 1990. The most politicized field is Education & Human Resources (53.8% in 2020, up from 4.3% in 1990). The least are Mathematical & Physical Sciences (22.6%, up from 0.9%) and Computer & Information Science & Engineering (24.9%, up from 1.5%), although even they are significantly more politicized than any field was in 1990.

  103. leftwing says:

    “…So much stupidity in this statement…I just can’t deal. My point…right over your head.”

    Hey don’t pick on Pumpkin…he doesn’t understand a constitutional republic….He’s ROYALTY, you know!

    “…I wanted to protect myself by marrying someone on my same level as did she. The result of this is an aristocracy; just like nobles married other nobles….”

  104. grim says:

    Was reading through that epidemiologist page, someone had a very detailed comment about a topic I brought up a few days back. Why aren’t we seeing the covid mortality rate decline? If vaccines and other therapeutics reduce covid deaths, why are we not seeing a corresponding decline in the covid CFR (case fatality rate)? CFR still running on par with the early days of the pre-vax pandemic.

  105. Bystander says:

    No worries left. We’ll be on the look-out for your side and their fake collection boxes as well.

  106. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Think what you will, but if everyone in this state was vaccinated, and I mean everyone, the virus would have a hell of a time moving around the population and evolving. The virus would see consistent 99% dead ends. That’s the truth. When you have people that don’t vaccinate, the virus finds these people and goes to work doing what it is supposed to do. So yes, it’s going to continue to spread till almost all are vaccinated…not 70%…not 80%….but almost 100% of the population.

    So just answer this simple question. Why are we not striving for 100% when we have the means to do so in this country? Why? Give me one damn good reason.

    “Endemic viruses move through people and animal populations around the globe finding a reservoir multiplying and evolving”

  107. crushednjmillenial says:

    2:27 . . .

    Why did Fauci say herd immunity at 60%?

  108. crushednjmillenial says:

    NJ Insider Power 100 for 2021 has been released on their site.

    #5 Tammy Murphy . . . “That said, the state of NJ is still mad, and traction toward a run for president, which the First Lady craves for her husband – will be tough for the sitting Governor of New Jersey, even with his luck.”

  109. Ex says:

    Sorry, but I will “err” to the side of science every single time.

  110. 3b says:

    Left: I guess he considers himself an aristocrat.

  111. JCer says:

    Pumps it is what is known as a leaky vaccine, do some research on what can happen with leaky vaccines….

  112. Juice Box says:

    Here is the breakthrough data for NJ.

    From January 19th – November 1st:
    ➡️5,804,446 total fully vaccinated individuals
    ➡️47,559 total breakthrough cases (0.82%)
    ➡️1,027 fully vaccinated individuals requiring hospitalization for COVID (0.02%)
    ➡️279 COVID-related deaths among fully vaccinated (0.005%)

    CDC data says 86% of the breakthrough deaths are those older than 65 years old.

  113. The Great Pumpkin says:

    He didn’t realize how efficient this virus was at spreading. No one knows all the answers, but you try your best.

    crushednjmillenial says:
    November 16, 2021 at 2:31 pm
    2:27 . . .

    Why did Fauci say herd immunity at 60%?

  114. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – “vaccinated” and “the virus would have a hell of a time moving around”

    How to put this, in terms you might understand? When these vaccines came out a year ago the studies showed low transmission. That has changed now however due to the delta variant.

    The delta variant of this virus infects vaccinated people enough that they have an increased viral load over the original Wuhan strain. This higher viral load causes spread from vaccinated people to other vaccinated people. This does not mean you will die, it just means the existing formulation for the original Wuhan variant does not reduce viral load enough to prevent some transmission even against vaccinated people.

    A reformulated multivariant vaccine actually might prevent the viral load from being high enough to prevent transmission. That is in trials now.

    There are lots of studies out there on it.. Science takes time .No warp speed get your wuhan booster and pray you don’t fall into the very small percentage of people under sixty five years old who get sick and die even with the newer treatments.

  115. JCer says:

    Pumps my statement about endemic viruses is meant to point out that vaccines are a piss poor tool for stopping an epidemic. They are but one element of a defense.

    To use an analogy look at France in WW2, they spent tons after WW1 building the Maginot line thinking fortifications on the German border to spare them from being invaded but technology changes made aerial assault possible and mechanized infantry was able to pass through terrain that was simply unfathomable 15 or 20 years prior. They decided they could cut their military because of their defensive system, it cost them dearly.

    In the case of the virus therapeutics are as important if not more important than the vaccine. The vaccine could be improved by targeting the current dominant strain but they have yet to do so. This is an ever present cat and mouse game, where the virus escapes immunity and quickly runs through the vaccinated populous becoming the dominant strain. Without a multifaceted strategy to control this thing we are sunk.

  116. leftwing says:

    “They need to reformulate, I would boost if it was for the delta strain.”

    Funny you bring this up, I’m on the fence. Was among the first group through after first responders, second shot in mid-Feb…haven’t boosted yet.

    Weighing the pros/cons, still ambivalent. Decision may be moot, I’m hitting another small venue concert Friday so already passed the protection timeline for that….

    The fact that I had the MRNA vaccine, that delta is much less harmful, and that the booster is the same ‘alpha’ formulation all played into not boosting so far…

    Grim, your hospitalized associates, any comorbidities?

  117. JCer says:

    Juice, I think the overall number of breakthrough cases is vastly under reported in those numbers and asymptomatic spread among the vaccinated may be a real problem. The low hospitalization rate shows the vaccine has some efficacy and especially where it counts, the cohorts at risk for bad outcome and by and large most of those folks have vaccinated. With this in mind and the overall knowledge that the vaccine does little if anything to stop the spread we should stop with the mandates. The vaccine protects the person who takes it and NO ONE ELSE, that is “the science”.

  118. leftwing says:

    “Very unscientific statements. And it’s also very unscientific to be so incurious about the subsequent data regarding efficacy and side-effect profiles of competing vaccines.”

    Unless and until government recognizes acquired immunity I have zero interest in what they have to say or their vacuous ‘greater good’ argument.

    Science cannot be selective, if so it is not science.

    And they have shown on more than one occasion obfsucation of facts for their own purposes.

  119. No One says:

    Grim,
    Shut up peasant, you don’t get to ask questions! Just believe the science as communicated to you by your superiors!

  120. JCer says:

    Left that is my sentiment, I vaxed back in march, why re-up now if it is the same formulation. My mother got the booster, she actually had side effects this time where as the first two times not really, that to me indicates she probably still had antibodies and she was vaxed very early on December or Jan. I suspect if there is another wave and there are significant breakthrough cases they will release an updated booster.

  121. Juice Box says:

    3b – Back then those Bergenfield teenagers were know as the burnouts, they all ran in a close nit pack about a dozen or so friends who used to cruise around Bergenfield in their beat up cars on the weekends. The teens that died were all high school dropouts or were suspended and all died with cocaine and alcohol in their systems. It’s a real sad story as the girls were sisters, and the death of the kid who fell from the palisades cliffs the summer before that led up to the suicide pact. Some adults tried to blame it on rock music like Ozzy Osbourne and his song ‘Suicide Solution’, there were a spate of suicides back in the 1980s that they tried to blame on music etc. Tipper Gore formed the parents group pushing for music labeling in 1985. They were successful the recording labels voluntarily placed warning labels on music with violent or sexually explicit lyrics.

    The truth is those teens all had substance abuse problems, some of them went into treatment at young ages too. The parents too played a role I think one of the teens parents committed suicide the year before. The third leading cause of teen deaths after accidents (mostly cars), homicide, is suicide.

  122. No One says:

    I hear through the family grapevine that in China, people in Beijing have been told to stock up on rice that can last a year, in case of war or lockdown. I also hear that the Chinese don’t trust vaccines much (their government-provided vaccine is probably even worse than J&J’s so you can hardly blame them) and instead they say they will go back to normal after their heroic countrymen invent a Covid treatment that is superior to that of all foreigners. Since the government controls all news there, I guess the government could invent sugar pills and claim a great cure that will only be available inside China, and then just cover up the small # of people who actually die subsequently.

  123. leftwing says:

    “It’s always political with you guys.”

    LOL. I love you man but you’re dropping political bombs all over your otherwise neutral narrative…the gratuitous Trump that Joyce noted, Afghanistan into your riot narrative, and at least one other…..

    Reading you today I felt like I was watching CBS Nightly News….”Unbiased, Truthful Reporting”…..now let us proceed and we’ll drop in every leftist angle we possibly can…

  124. Juice Box says:

    JCer – re “asymptomatic spread among the vaccinated may be a real problem”

    The CDC has been saying that since July that is why it’s mask’s up. Again confusing messages originally from our politicians and other leaders. They all thought it would be masks off once we got vaccinated. Delta has proven in studies to have asymptomatic spread amongst the vaccinated. I was reading a preprint about it today, there is no doubt the viral load is enough that it’s being retransmitted preventing herd immunity from being realized. Smart bugger this virus is…

    Hey what could go wrong?

    https://twitter.com/GovMurphy/status/1460348138196287491/photo/1

  125. No One says:

    Placebos work, supposedly. Even when people know they are getting a placebo, according to this article. Could it be that people just don’t know what the word placebo means?
    https://time.com/5375724/placebo-bill-health-problems/

  126. No One says:

    Pumpkin an Aristocrat? Maybe the kind of aristocrat that Gilbert Gottfried made a joke about. NSFanywhere
    youtube.com/watch?v=aGA0dIz9-Wk

  127. Juice Box says:

    Recent UK study.

    Vaccinated and unvaccinated asymptomatic covid infected people have almost the same viral loads

    “Infections in vaccinated people cleared more quickly than those in unvaccinated people, but resulted in a similar peak viral load – when people are most infectious – probably explaining why the delta variant remains able to spread despite vaccination.”

    https://scitechdaily.com/covid-19-vaccines-lower-risk-of-infection-with-delta-variant-but-infection-can-still-be-passed-on/

    There are lots and lots of studies…..

  128. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Belittle me….how good does it make you feel? How many times in a day do you look in the mirror and tell yourself you are looking at the smartest man alive? Jerkoff.

    leftwing says:
    November 16, 2021 at 2:23 pm
    “…So much stupidity in this statement…I just can’t deal. My point…right over your head.”

    Hey don’t pick on Pumpkin…he doesn’t understand a constitutional republic….He’s ROYALTY, you know!

    “…I wanted to protect myself by marrying someone on my same level as did she. The result of this is an aristocracy; just like nobles married other nobles….”

  129. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, what is a constitutional republic? I’m clueless.

    Also, 10% of the population marrying amongst their own, living amongst their own, and sending their kids to public schools amongst their own is not a sign of an invincible by name aristocracy growing in America. I don’t have a problem with it, just pointing it out.

  130. 3b says:

    Juice: Sad story. Don’t know if that contributed to Bergenfield s “decline”just what I have heard. I am a Bronx boy, so never understood the whole my town is better then your town debate.

  131. The Great Pumpkin says:

    STOP JUICE, the virus is useless dummy.

    Juice Box says:
    November 16, 2021 at 3:28 pm
    Recent UK study.

    Vaccinated and unvaccinated asymptomatic covid infected people have almost the same viral loads

    “Infections in vaccinated people cleared more quickly than those in unvaccinated people, but resulted in a similar peak viral load – when people are most infectious – probably explaining why the delta variant remains able to spread despite vaccination.”

    https://scitechdaily.com/covid-19-vaccines-lower-risk-of-infection-with-delta-variant-but-infection-can-still-be-passed-on/

    There are lots and lots of studies…..

  132. Juice Box says:

    Grim re: “why are we not seeing a corresponding decline in the covid CFR (case fatality rate)”

    Correlation is wonky too as the CFR varies widely between countries.

    Most of these covid deaths in the USA are people that are 65+ and in the hospital and or nursing home billing Medicare etc. Look the government since 1965 has been providing untold tens of trillions for providing health care to senior citizens, last year the budget was something like 800 billion for Medicare. The money must be spent….we cannot give it back…Death with covid is just a billing code….

  133. Libturd says:

    Juice,

    Yes, those stats are what I go by. The odds of side effects are so small, you are slightly more likely to be struck by lightning than to experience a Covid vaccine side effect. Even the cohort with the arrhythmia risk is extremely unlikely to die from it.

    We all have to make decisions as to what to believe when it comes to science. These decisions are based on exposure to other influences. I apologise if I come off all high and mighty, but I too do not have blind faith in our government. Believe me, my achilles tendon most likely ruptured due to an anti-biotic I was prescribed for an illness that was most likely not viral which the drug manufacturer knew of the tendon damage risk, but hid it. I spent over a year in PT three times a week and was non-weight bearing for nearly a month. So fudging math a tiny bit, I expect. But the risk to the company (just on public image alone) if one of these vaccines has long-term ill effects, is just too great for a company like Pfizer to knowingly hide the truth IMO. You will be done overnight if caught.

    As to the mortality rate not changing? I am guessing it’s the strength of D strain, versus the low hanging fruit having been taken out by the initial strains.

    Juice/3B, I recall the whole suicide blame on music thing. Was so stupid. Everyone time a kid died, ill-informed parents needed someone or something to redirect their own responsibility to.

  134. 3b says:

    In other news Freddie/Fannie will be guaranteeing loans up to one million. We really need to get government out of the housing market.

  135. 3b says:

    Lib: Yeah I remember that as well, the whole warming labels on CD s back in the day.

  136. Juice Box says:

    3B – re:” never understood the whole my town is better then your town ”

    Fordham, Kingsbridge, Mott Haven, Morris Heights, Pelham Bay, Hunts Point, and the creme de la creme Woodlawn and Riverdale amongst others..

    We never made it to Woodlawn left our apt from the golf course and never looed back. I still have friends there. They can keep it….. I will take my woods.. Had several deer this morning in my front yard and a large red fox out back. Had to bring my dog in, she is no match for a red fox.

  137. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Jewish community from NY. They are doing the same thing in Passaic Park. Everything is being updated. Brand new huge houses. It’s crazy.

    Juice Box says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:57 pm
    BRT – I was up in Bergen county yesterday. The main road Teaneck Road from the Turnpike up to Washington St in Bergenfield looks very run down. Lots of closed restaurants, car dealerships, small offices etc. Lots of properties not kept up either. I guess when people come from NYC to buy an over taxed cape cod they don’t care about main street. There is only one supermarket in town too Stop & Shop.

    SOLD $950k to live in Bergenfield..Taxes are going to be insane too once this flip gets it’s new tax bill of $30,000.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/29-Sussex-Rd-Bergenfield-NJ-07621/37854824_zpid/

  138. PumpkinFace says:

    We know, we know.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 16, 2021 at 3:31 pm
    Yes, what is a constitutional republic? I’m clueless.

  139. Mike S says:

    If you had 2 doses of pfizer, is it recommended to get a moderna booster at this point?

  140. 3b says:

    Juice: True but no one ran around saying my part of the Bronx was better than yours like I used to hear when I first moved to Bergen C0. There was the South Bronx and then the rest of the Bronx, with the exception of Riverdale. I was in Riverdale on Saturday, and for those who like urban living it is nice. Deers in
    My backyard all the time; they don’t really have any fear of humans anymore. As for your area of I like it much better than Bergen, it has a completely different feel , and does not appear to have the lunatic drivers.

  141. 3b says:

    Wall Township football season over, no Thanksgiving game after hazing incident. Young player assaulted with broomstick in locker room.

  142. leftwing says:

    “Belittle me….how good does it make you feel”

    Not about me…..you make it too easy…..not only do you think ridiculous thoughts there is no brain/mouth filter to prevent you from just spewing them everywhere. Proud and loud. LOL.

    You go, girl.

    Any stock tips from your local barista?

  143. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Go jerk off, better use of your time. Keep hiding behind names you biatch.

    PumpkinFace says:
    November 16, 2021 at 4:07 pm
    We know, we know.

  144. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ahh, if the thoughts don’t align with your theoughts…it’s ridiculous, right? You are miserable. That’s why you resort to attacking individuals. Notice, I never put someone down on this blog until this f’k with me. Called class.

    I could stoop to your level and say some things to you, but Im better than that. Im not you.

    leftwing says:
    November 16, 2021 at 4:30 pm
    “Belittle me….how good does it make you feel”

    Not about me…..you make it too easy…..not only do you think ridiculous thoughts there is no brain/mouth filter to prevent you from just spewing them everywhere. Proud and loud. LOL.

    You go, girl.

    Any stock tips from your local barista?

  145. BRT says:

    It’s really sad. Bergenfield’s Main St. was a great place in the 80s. It’s been on a slow decline ever since the 90s IMO.

  146. Ex says:

    My area could not be more different than NJ.
    Today the light was just right to capture one of my favorite spots:

    https://imgur.com/gallery/aylHT7B

  147. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lefty,

    One more thing. It’s a new financial market and main st has been kicking the living sh!t out of the so called “experts.” So belittle people that are good at reading the stock market right now because they work at starbucks. Clueless. How’s Buffet doing? Peter Schiff still crying about bitcoin while his son makes a killing on it? I can go on and on. Just let it go and be open minded for once in your life.

  148. Juice Box says:

    3B – Seems there is a wall of silence in Wall Township, no first-hand accounts so far, and now the county prosecutor and their detectives has taken over the investigation the local cops weren’t moving the case along it seems.

    I would actually be more surprised if there were no cases of hazing this year. It happens all the time in schools and sleep away camps whether it’s the football team or the band camp. We had our share of hazing in high school football camp. I busted up a senior one year pretty badly. I thought the whole team was going to kick my ass after that, instead they welcomed me to the club. I did not haze anyone, but I was there and witnessed it. No Naked Twister but lots of degrading stuff happened.

  149. 3b says:

    Juice: Disturbing all around. I went to Catholic high school, hazing was not a thing, no football team , but good basketball ball team. We had kids from all over the Bronx and Queens. It was pretty much get in get out, I worked after school in high school, so in at 8:30 out at 2:3o then off to work. No sleep away camp either, that was something on TV! I don’t know what would possess young men to engage in this type of activity. I feel for the kid who was abused.

  150. Juice Box says:

    BRT – We used to go to the movie theater there on Washington st, and the record shop. I think it was called the Pyramid? I see the pool hall is still there, but I don’t think it is in the same place.

    It was always a nice downtown. I know the owner of Tommy Fox’s, his business has recovered but not like before the pandemic. His customer base is dying off as well. I will be there perhaps in a few weeks to visit, and back again for the Annual St Paddy’s day parade.

  151. 3b says:

    Juice: The owner is a nice guy , real gentleman. I saw him on Saturday night at a function. The Fox from the name another nice guy cashed out his share about 4 years ago and opened a place in Norwood. I did not think Tommy would make it through the pandemic, but appears to be doing ok for now.

  152. Juice Box says:

    re: “Fannie/Freddie to buy $1 million dollar mortgages”

    Lenders are very willing to make loans that they know can be sold to the government. I wonder why that is?

    Pumps care to opine?

  153. BRT says:

    Juice,

    I went to high school in Wall. It was always a toxic environment. Kids had no respect.
    The place is still suffering from James Habel’s superintendent reign prior to him going to prison. He installed cronies at all levels of admin. Bunch of late twenty somethings all became admins and wrecked the place. The principal there was my English teacher. Woman looked like a supermodel in her early 20s. She had no control over the class though. So naturally, she became principal. Super sweet lady but had no business running the school. They were in the news a couple years back for deleting Trump off a kids shirt in the yearbook. I don’t even see anything on the schools group on FB, which I’m a member of. I might actually know the coaches but they didn’t release their names yet. I could find out if I did some digging.

  154. BRT says:

    I used to do Tommy’s fairly often in 2001-2003. Was my favorite place up there. I did a few St. Patty’s Days there too.

  155. BRT says:

    btw, the teens in Bergenfield in the 80s were awful. They used to constantly scare all the other kids in town if you ever crossed path’s with them on the street. It was a very odd experience being 8 years old, riding my bike, and having a high schooler harass you. When they got their licenses, they started doing it via car. They’d drive up to you, open the windows, and scream at you.

  156. Juice Box says:

    Just got a CVS alert, you can now schedule 5-11 year olds for the vaccine there.

    Here is the link.

    https://www.cvs.com/vaccine/intake/store/covid-screener/covid-qns

  157. leftwing says:

    “Ahh, if the thoughts don’t align with your theoughts…it’s ridiculous, right?”

    Nope. Quite apparent objectively that you are a fool. You prove it at least once a day.

    “You are miserable.”

    Actually, life is good. No complaints here. Wish my youngest was more serious about studies, hope my eldest can become more assertive because he’s a rock star he just doesn’t realize it yet. Mom and dad are well, as are siblings and extended family whom I’ll see Thanksgiving week (big get together). Health is great. Haven’t spoken to the ex- since Spring which is fantastic. Kind of bummed I took the convertible off the road last week but I’m playing around with heading to FL for a while this season again, probably drop in there for at least a week to get some sun for the holidays…need to check the show calendar if I’m doing a longer stay post-XMas. But thanks for asking.

    “That’s why you resort to attacking individuals.”

    It’s not an attack and you’re the only one I ride because you are an entire affront to most things I value….hard work, intellectual curiosity, creativity, leadership, rigorous analytical ability, independence of thought….other than that, ‘teacher’….we’re good.

  158. grim says:

    I believe CVS started offering the 5-11 on the 8th.

  159. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And this is your opinion, don’t forget that. Make sure to give the guy in the mirror a kiss.

    “It’s not an attack and you’re the only one I ride because you are an entire affront to most things I value….hard work, intellectual curiosity, creativity, leadership, rigorous analytical ability, independence of thought….other than that, ‘teacher’….we’re good.”

  160. 3b says:

    BRT: It’s a nice spot after the parade, and probably his biggest day. He is very generous,, does a lot of charity work.

  161. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Intellectual curiosity. Hmm. This time may very well be different. I know, I know; never speak these words, but it feels different.

    Why? What has this year taught us? That retail is no longer some easy fish to prey upon by the buffet investor class. The stock market is not the economy. Old school market, fundamentals mattered…because every single individual was using it and adhering to its laws. Guess what, lefty, your young hungry investors don’t give a f’k about your old rules. AMC says f u to your old rules. It had the largest gains based on large stocks..why? I don’t know how long it will last, but psychology matters more than the books. They understand this right now, and are using it to give it to the fundamental based old school investment class. Again, don’t know how long it lasts, but acknowledge it.

    “Sophisticated investors know the risks, but a large chunk of the buying has come from retail traders—ordinary people making transactions via popular platforms like Robinhood. Those less experienced investors are less likely to perform bottom-up fundamental analysis, so a rally driven by them is more likely to be driven by other factors, including hope for short-term gains.

    But none of this necessarily means the market is in a bubble. “Yes, we know: There are lots of signs of speculative bubbles in the broad stock market,” wrote analysts at Yardeni Research. “Not everything is in a bubble.””

    https://apple.news/Atr3sQP2QR-imxlps9k6kbg

  162. chicagofinance says:

    You know for a fact these people are vaxed, or that is what they told you?

    grim says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:21 pm
    I’ve got 2 friends are in the hospital with covid, despite having 2 doses of the PFE vax in the summer, both in their 50s.

    Not sure if anyone has the data points, but seems like the PFE vax is a real stinker compared to Moderna.

    D-FENS says:
    November 16, 2021 at 1:27 pm
    Family up the street from us all vaxed…all sick…positive for COVID If the vax was supposed to reduce symptoms it isn’t working for them. The father is a teacher and get’s tested pretty often.

  163. chicagofinance says:

    Dude! Let’s create a new site using a SPAC. We’ll call it VAXKings….. we’ll make a mint using Reddit

    No One says:
    November 16, 2021 at 2:18 pm
    But where’s the “consumer reports” activism or the data to back it up. Every car model gets a rating, but vaccines don’t. Every football game has all kinds of odds and bets and side-bets that statisticians provide and people obsess over, but nobody does the same for COVID vaccines?

  164. chicagofinance says:

    Colin Powell example…. if your immune system is busted, then vaccine has no effect….

    grim says:
    November 16, 2021 at 2:25 pm
    Was reading through that epidemiologist page, someone had a very detailed comment about a topic I brought up a few days back. Why aren’t we seeing the covid mortality rate decline? If vaccines and other therapeutics reduce covid deaths, why are we not seeing a corresponding decline in the covid CFR (case fatality rate)? CFR still running on par with the early days of the pre-vax pandemic.

  165. chicagofinance says:

    My wife had a breakthrough case. Side effect of Moderna is that her white blood cell count dropped. They tested her for anema, leukemia other cancers etc…… all of a sudden BAM, she gets a breakthrough case. I had no issues.

    JCer says:
    November 16, 2021 at 2:02 pm
    BRT is on the money the small snippet the mRNA vaccines are targeting focuses immunity escape on a relatively small genetic sequence. There are two possibilities for breakthrough infection insufficient quantity of antibodies, the so called waning of antibodies or escape. I surmise we are seeing both and Pfizer as the most dominant and earliest vaccine literally has caused the vaccinated to incubate strains capable of escape. The simple limited number of cases being sequenced and the methods being used to do the sequencing would result in these mutations not being detected and becoming prevalent in highly vaccinated communities.

  166. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The profession is broken. Too many demands…it’s impossible to reach these goals. All because politicians don’t have the balls to target bad parents. So just throw it at the teacher and blame them.

    “For many, teaching has become a spirit-destroying grind with dwindling rewards and escalating demands. The expectations on teachers are unrealistic, unsustainable and unreasonable. Over the last three decades, we’ve asked schools to be the antidote to every emerging societal ill, from child obesity to drug addiction to online bullying.”

    https://www.ajc.com/education/get-schooled-blog/has-the-thrill-gone-out-of-teaching/GTP7HUCGLVBFVAHNRBFKRA3BUY/?fbclid=IwAR2HLkhMWkab933XFcaqqa9zRZ87QFsC-qioqcaJq1nZBA00S1TJK3DIJzY

  167. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ran into one of my students from early in my career. He has grey hair and two kids. He said I have not changed one bit, that god blessed me. That’s wild when your students go grey before you.

  168. The Great Pumpkin says:

    He’s like, “You remember me?” You put me through hell, how can i forget? Lmao

  169. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Stir the hornets nest..

    Truth. Source is from the article above.

    “Schools and teachers have also found themselves used as political fodder, falsely accused of teaching critical race theory, a complex legal framework at the level of 25-year-old law students rather than fifth graders. Politicians know CRT is not taught in K-12, but the issue packs school board meetings. So, craven politicians are willing to condemn CRT and “woke” teachers for votes, making it harder for educators to talk to students about the racism they experience.”

  170. The Great Pumpkin says:

    When to buy again

    El-Erian categorizes bitcoin investors into three buckets: “fundamentalists” who are in it for the long haul, professional investors looking to diversify their portfolios and day trading “speculators.”

    The economist said he would only feel comfortable buying again once some of the speculators in the market are “shaken out.” The first two types of investors, he says, are “really strong foundations for that market long term.”

    “These other two levels are pretty solid in terms of supporting bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies,” El-Erian said. “The key thing here is the underlying technology and the model. And those two things are going to be very influential in the period ahead.”

    Like bitcoin’s evangelists, El-Erian believes the cryptocurrency is a “very disruptive force.” But he doesn’t think it will ever become a “global currency” rivaling the U.S. dollar.

    “I think it will always exist in the ecosystem but it’s not going to be a global currency,” he said. “It’s not going to replace the dollar.”

    Unlike crypto skeptics, however, the former Pimco CEO doesn’t believe bitcoin can be “regulated out of existence.”

  171. NJCoast says:

    You too can become a Covid compliance officer by taking a $50 online three hour course. There were 3 at the theatre today getting $75 an hour each to hand out rapid Covid tests to the 85 backstage crew before entering the building. It’s all about CYA in entertainment. Coffee has to be handed to each person by a coffee attendant and all food has to be boxed up. Only vaxxed and masked backstage.

  172. BRT says:

    I seriously hope they don’t. I had a field day with the contact tracer. They called my phone asking about my daughter being a close contact to my son. I said, she tested negative 3 times. They went, “we were hoping to get a direct line to her”. I said, “you will not?”. “Why is that” they asked. “Because she’s six years old”.

  173. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Think about this when you claim teachers should top out at 50k. 100k is sh!t…wake up.

    “Salaries for newly minted M.B.A.s are hitting record highs as consulting firms, banks and technology companies lure top business-school graduates into their ranks in a tight labor market.

    Both the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania and the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business reported the median salary for this year’s graduates grew $5,000 to hit $155,000. It was Wharton’s highest-recorded median base salary, with 99% of students seeking jobs receiving an offer. Duke University’s Fuqua School of Business said the average annual salary for its M.B.A.s rose 4% compared with last year to more than $141,000—also a new high.”

    https://apple.news/A7VRNQHnMRP62sCzF93xhJg

  174. BRT says:

    This may not exactly be CRT, but this is my town’s district. It’s definitely cut from the same cloth. Their first steps towards equity was focus on women and black historical figures every single day during their respective months (i.e. black history month). During women’s history month they focused on RBG and Sonya Sotamayor. One of the father’s clearly was sitting behind the screen and had his kid ask about Amy Coney Barrett. The teacher got annoyed. This teacher is paid a special stipend to be an “equity warrior”. First off, SJW is a derogatory term and they literally named their stipend after that….idiots. On Asian history month (supposedly in May), a grand total of zero lessons. Way to strive for equity.

    District Statement on Racism and Injustice
    As millions of people across the United States are standing up to protest systemic racism and centuries of oppression, Lawrence Township Public Schools (LTPS) faculty, administration, and Board of Education stand with them. We say decisively: Black Lives Matter. Black students matter. Black educators matter. Black families matter. Black teammates matter.

    LTPS denounces racism and injustice and is committed to fighting against the damage caused by hate in all forms. The unrest in our community calls on LTPS to help the community understand and define the issues we face and educate the community on ways we can work together to combat them. LTPS endeavors to hold an intentional conversation about the implications of systemic racism, develop a plan to combat its evils, and subsequently, take a leadership role in the collective actions of our community to move Lawrence Township toward real healing.

    Confronting Injustice
    We have reviewed the Open Letter on Systemic Racism prepared by Black Lives Matter Lawrence NJ, and have heard the stories submitted by numerous members of the Lawrence community. The Open Letter and stories posted on BlackInLawrenceNJ helped us to understand the sources of our community’s pain and the injustices they have faced. While some people may struggle to understand the cause and depth of others’ pain, LTPS passionately believes injustice to one is an injustice to all. As said best by Dr. Martin Luther King, “Injustice anywhere, is a threat to justice everywhere.”

    It is our responsibility as a community and as a school district to recognize, acknowledge, and understand the sources of racism, bias, hate, and injustice so that we can best educate students on how to confront these issues. Understanding the community’s pain and perspective drives us to listen, reflect, and fight against inequities.

    LTPS decided three years ago to focus on improving equity within our schools. We worked with consultants, formed an Equity Committee, and provided multiple professional developments for staff designed by cultural and equity leaders. LTPS participates in the Central Jersey Program for the Recruitment of Diverse Educators and has two administrators who serve on New Jersey’s core team of the Diverse Learner Ready Teacher Initiative. This team works with universities to learn how we may recruit more staff of color. In addition, last summer our leadership team attended a two-day training on Restorative Practices by the International Institute for Restorative Practices (“IIRP”).

    We have taken intentional steps in our desire to foster inclusive environments at all LTPS schools. But issues persist. We must do more. We are committing to examining the District’s role through courageous conversations with the community to ensure that LTPS’s future plans are guided by all stakeholders in an equal society.

  175. Grim says:

    All hail our electric car overlords

  176. Fabius Maximus says:

    “had his kid ask about Amy Coney Barrett”

    That’s a simple question to answer. We don’t know how she will rule until her husband tells her!

  177. Crushednjmillenial says:

    Bergenfield’s downtown is the most empty storefronts of any town in Bergen County, in my opinion. Second place goes to Ridgefield Park.

    RP makes sense because it is isolated. Not sure why Bergenfield is so abandoned.

  178. BRT says:

    careful Fab, your toxic masculinity is on full display

  179. BRT says:

    Bergenfield is suffering from too much diversity where everyone is segregated. Towards the end of my tenure there, nearly all my friends were filipino outside of my original ones from grade school.

    If you guys are familiar with the old Chair factory and it burning down…funny story…my dad was there when it happened. Some kid had a wooden boat and he lit it on fire and it sailed through the pond. The water wheel took it up and the place went up in flames almost instantly.

  180. Chicago says:

    Did it hurt?

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 16, 2021 at 7:57 pm
    Ran into one of my students from early in my career.

  181. Libturd says:

    Ex…Looks just like CR, but brown instead of green.

  182. Chicago says:

    Beside the fact that you could never be admitted into either of these programs, I believe that you would be able to pass only a handful of the courses anyway.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 16, 2021 at 9:07 pm
    Think about this when you claim teachers should top out at 50k. 100k is sh!t…wake up.

    “Salaries for newly minted M.B.A.s are hitting record highs as consulting firms, banks and technology companies lure top business-school graduates into their ranks in a tight labor market.

    Both the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania and the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business reported the median salary for this year’s graduates grew $5,000 to hit $155,000. It was Wharton’s highest-recorded median base salary, with 99% of students seeking jobs receiving an offer. Duke University’s Fuqua School of Business said the average annual salary for its M.B.A.s rose 4% compared with last year to more than $141,000—also a new high

  183. JCer says:

    Lets not forget about the over 200k investment in a top business program. 155k pay package for a top b-school grad actually seems low, it really hasn’t moved all that much in 2 decades. I don’t think anyone said teachers should top out at 100k, I think the only thing is that teachers should be paid commiserate with their skill and experience rather than an arbitrary union determined formula. There are probably typing teachers in his district who make more money than him as they have been there teaching since they actually were using typewriters.

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