Where o’ where will housing crash?

From Marketwatch:

Most economists see the U.S. turning into a buyer’s housing market in 2023. Here’s where you’ll see the biggest declines in value.

Frustrated by the housing market? Housing experts say they’re expecting the market to tip back into buyers’ court by 2023, according to a new report.

Mortgage rates are approaching 7%, but home prices are only slowly coming back down and inventory is still tight compared to pre-pandemic levels.

Still, the U.S. housing market will shift in favor of home buyers by the end of 2023, 44% of 107 economists and housing experts polled by real-estate company Zillow for its Home Price Expectations Survey said. 

And 12% of these experts believed that shift will happen sooner — that is, this year.

Yet roughly 45% of experts surveyed by Zillow say buyers will have to wait, and expect the market to shift in buyers’ favor in 2024, and beyond.

All survey respondents said to expect home-price deceleration in 2023.

Most of the housing experts surveyed by Zillow noted that the markets most likely to see home prices decline over the next year include pandemic boomtowns like Boise, Austin, and Raleigh; 77% of the experts surveyed expect declines in those cities. They saw a huge jump in sales amid the earliest days of the coronavirus pandemic.

Redfin, another real-estate brokerage company, also noted that Sun Belt home buyers are cancelling their home-purchase agreements at the highest rate as compared to the rest of the nation.

The markets least likely to see home prices decline over the next year include Midwestern cities like Columbus, Indianapolis, and Minneapolis, Zillow said. Only 36% of respondents expected home prices to decline in these areas over the next 12 months.

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133 Responses to Where o’ where will housing crash?

  1. denss dunnagan says:


  2. grim says:

    Biden Admin walking back some of the student loan forgiveness, 700, 000 people who had Fed backed loans held by private lenders, and were part of the loan forgiveness plan. Now that is being scrapped unless they had consolidated their loans before Sept 29th of this year.

    Going to get carved up until it looks more like when Obama used executive order to increase the minimum wage of Federal employees.

  3. Very Stable Genius says:

    ‘It costs approximately $1,200 for someone to evacuate a massive hurricane like Ian.

    So with the $12 million in taxpayer funds Gov. DeSantis spent exploiting refugees, he could have covered those costs for 10,000 Floridians.‘

  4. dentss dunnigan says:

    doubt it was 12 million to fly 50 refugees ,plus we’ve given 50Billion to Ukraine so go peddle your BS somewhere else

  5. BRT says:

    And he should have left the immigrants in Florida to stay for the hurricane? You must really hate those immigrants.

  6. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    A realtor knocked on the door yesterday, starved for inventory. First time it’s happened. Tough business to be in.

  7. Fast Eddie says:

    Casey DeSantis; assertive, direct, intelligent, well-spoken, detailing in great length the processes and resources for those affected by this storm on every level. She and her husband showing great leadership. They already raised $12 million dollars in less than 24 hours. Casey has a comforting and compassionate manner when she speaks. What a contrast to the disaster we have in slo joe and the ho. Ron will make a great president and his wife a great first lady.

  8. Very Stable Genius says:

    In 2013, Ron DeSantis voted against federal aid for the victims of Hurricane Sandy.

    In 2022, Ron DeSantis asked President Biden for federal help with Hurricane Ian — and Biden delivered.

  9. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    VSG is a simpleton. Copy/pastes talking points from low IQ Twitter folks and claims then as his own.

    Usually when funding is voted down it’s because they try to packs bunch of pet project bullshlt in the bill. I don’t have time to revisit it.

  10. Ex says:

    8:06 wow. You. Are. Dumb.

  11. Ex says:

    8:21 winner!!! Dumber. Yet.

  12. grim says:

    DeSantis as president would be a dumpster fire. He’s got a hard on for trying to out-trump Trump, and it’s going to blow up in his face.

  13. grim says:

    Trump is going to do something stupid like run as an Independent when he doesn’t get the nomination, guaranteeing the Republicans lose.

  14. grim says:

    Let me correct that, do something so spiteful like run…

  15. Fast Eddie says:

    He’s got a hard on for trying to out-trump Trump…

    Awesome! Let’s hope so! Minus the braggadocio, it’s a win-win-win!

  16. grim says:

    Title should have been “NJ’s worst bottleneck to get even worse”

  17. Juice Box says:

    Trump going to run? From Jail? I have been told by countless talking heads and keyboard rainbow warriors that he will be in an orange jumpsuit at ADX Florence the supermax prison along with the rest of the January 6th crowd.

  18. grim says:

    More likely he’d disappear and we’d find him on a yacht in Vladivostok.

  19. Juice Box says:

    We got him know boys. Rodger Stone spilled the beans on the whole steal the electoral college plan! I am telling ya this is the one!!!!


  20. grim says:

    “I vould have liked to raise rabbits”

  21. grim says:

    No no, got that entirely wrong. “I vould have liked to have seen Montana”

  22. 3b says:

    Inflation in EU zone reaches 10 percent, protests against high inflation in Paris. The new administrator in the UK , making a bad situation worse, some are referring to her as Margaret Thatcher decaf.

    Putin will annex chunks if Ukraine today, making the situation even more dangerous, Biden wondering why someone who passed away tragically, was not at a conference the other day, and Harris does not know which Korea is which. What a mess all around!

  23. Juice Box says:

    Don Lemon trying to resurrect his career.

    BTW this woman he is interviewing in an Orlando trailer park is a dumb as a brick. She could have saved her car if she left. She is also endangering her child as well, and refuses to leave unless out on the last boat….


  24. SmallGovConservative says:

    3b says:
    September 30, 2022 at 9:31 am
    “Putin will annex chunks if Ukraine today, making the situation even more dangerous, Biden wondering why someone who passed away tragically, was not at a conference the other day…”

    The Dem stooges would dismiss this as mere coincidence when in reality it’s cause and effect. Bad guys like Putin are emboldened when the good guys are weak (and stupid). And the good guys have never been weaker and stupider than when ‘led’ by Biden/Harris. And as difficult as it is to imagine given how bad things are now, expect two more years of things getting worse.

  25. 3b says:

    Small: And current polling among Democrats is that in the event Biden chooses not to run, Harris is the front runner to take his place! Biden we can say is suffering from cognitive decline, what is the excuse for Harris??

  26. Fast Eddie says:

    I assume if you’re a contractor, electrician, etc. around and want some steady work for a few years, Florida is the place to be.

  27. crushednjmillenial says:

    I believe Trump will run, because his number 1 compulsion is for winning competitions. It is not in his nature to pick his battles. So, he probably announces in 2022, but after the midterm election day.

    If Trump runs, DeSantis will not do so. Opinion polls within the R party show Trump is, by far, the most popular R in US presidential poltiics.

    While unlikely, Trump might not run due to age (maybe) or because he believes there is a better deal for him somewhere else. However, I don’t know what the R’s could offer him that would be big enough for him to not run.

    If Trump does not run, then DeSantis will be the nominee. VP will be Sen. Tim Scott of SC.

    If the government/left/deep state tries to prevent Trump from running due to some kind of criminal charges or convictions, then there will likely be civil unrest and severe alienation from the existing order of 20-25% of the US population.

    The D’s and anyone that wants to avoid huge structural change to this country should probably prefer that Trump runs and then loses square (what I mean by sqaure is in an election without D governors instituting last-minute universal-vote-by-mail and similar changes due to “emergency” covid measures). [By the way, if we zoom out, the D’s should be winning elections by 60%+ but they aren’t seizing the moment created by a divisive re-alignment figure like Trump. If Bernie was President in 2020, then R’s would be expected to have strong success.] Or, Trump wins in 2024 and the nation rides out 4 years of his presidency – there will never be a third term.

    Just my $0.02.

  28. crushednjmillenial says:

    While I am skeptical of lane-widening as a traffic solution, that Rt. 17 project looks good. You have four lanes go to two, then back to four. Would make sense to have 4 all the way.

    The next project they need to tackle is doing the same to Route 4. It’s been the same jammed conditions when it goes from 3 lanes to 2 in Teaneck for my entire lifetime.

    Then, two extra lanes over the river on Rt. 21/Rt. 46 interchange (providing a dedicated lane for people to exit from Rt. 21 to the parkway, and a dedicated lane for people merging onto 21 from 46).

  29. crushednjmillenial says:

    “Chesterton wrote more than a century ago . . . Fires will be kindled to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove leaves are green in summer. That time has arrived. We are ready.”

    -Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni

  30. Ex says:

    10:01 cognitive drivel

  31. 3b says:

    Crushed: If De Santis runs he needs a VP not from the south, has to balance out the ticket. Someone mid or far west.

  32. Phoenix says:

    Every day it’s starting to look like Bin Laden’s long term vision is playing out just like he expected it to.

  33. Libturd says:



  34. Libturd says:

    Murphy’s spending spree is going to grind to a halt when the revenues for 2022 don’t meet expectations. 2023 is going to be a blood bath. Don’t get too excited about anything he is promising.

  35. SmallGovConservative says:

    Fast Eddie says:
    September 30, 2022 at 10:30 am
    “I assume if you’re a contractor, electrician, etc. around and want some steady work for a few years, Florida is the place to be.”

    That was the case already as construction has been booming in SWFL. Will be interesting to see now whether labor or construction supplies becomes a bottleneck and if so, whether new construction or re-construction is the priority.

  36. Juice Box says:

    Wild video of the 15 ft storm surge in Ft Myers.


  37. Phoenix says:

    On all the boomer forums:

    Boycott China. Don’t buy from China.

    Now Florida boomers will need Chinese made goods to rebuild their homes as, well, thanks to them and their outsourcing, it’s the only place to get any building supplies.

    It was you that chose to ship manufacturing there in order for you to lay on the couch making money while not physically doing anything. No wonder your BMI is 40.

  38. Ex says:

    Florida will be uninsurable.

  39. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That’s for sure…screwed.

    Will be funny if they try to get the Federal government to subsidize it.

    Ex says:
    September 30, 2022 at 11:07 am
    Florida will be uninsurable.

  40. Fast Eddie says:


    I saw that video this morning. Insane.

  41. SmallGovConservative says:

    Ex says:
    September 30, 2022 at 11:07 am
    “Florida will be uninsurable.”

    This would no doubt be a wet-dream come true, for blue sissies like Ex. But I suspect that southern Cali’s lack of water is a more serious long term issue than Florida’s periodic hurricanes.

  42. Phoenix says:


    Naah. More gifts from the working stiffs to the retiree boomers of Florida who take their pension money that comes from the taxing of citizens where they work and go there to avoid paying taxes.

    It’s okay for someone to be taxed to put money in their pockets, but they themselves don’t like being taxed at all. They run from the place and the people that have supported them financially for their whole careers in order to avoid taxes.

  43. Phoenix says:


    Florida’s water is getting “saltier” all of the time. They will have a problem with that soon enough if they keep building there.


  44. Libturd says:

    You can pipe water to where it is needed. You can’t divert a hurricane.

  45. Very Stable Genius says:

    “Someone with ethics should watch the money flowing into FL.

    DeSantis has a way of driving public money into the hands of his GOP buddies.

    Storms are great graft opportunities for those who think “gubmint” money is there for the taking of those who have access.”

  46. Phoenix says:

    America upset over annexation. Is this a threat to China or India?
    Exactly who do American leaders think they are?

    The United States also said it was sending a “clear warning”: that there will be costs for any individual, entity or country that provides political or economic support to Russia. Three U.S. agencies — the Treasury, Commerce and State departments — are imposing “swift and severe costs” on Russia.

  47. Phoenix says:

    Q tip not happy with a hurricane, he wants nuclear war.

    Well, why should he care? He is demented anyway.

  48. Phoenix says:

    Putin is correct about at least one thing. America did set precedent about nuclear war:

    Putin says U.S. created nuclear precedent by bombing Japan: Crazed Russian leader claims ‘Anglo-Saxons’ blew up Nord Stream, says U.S. is occupying Germany and Korea, and warns he’ll use ‘all forces’ to defend four annexed Ukraine regions

  49. leftwing says:

    “In 2022, Ron DeSantis asked President Biden for federal help with Hurricane Ian — and Biden delivered”….”VSG is a simpleton. Copy/pastes talking points from low IQ Twitter folks and claims then as his own.”

    And even misses the mark then…as I said yesterday no way Biden turns down aid to FL six weeks before primaries…DeSantis could have asked for SloJo to deliver the check personally in pink yoga pants and he would have complied….

  50. leftwing says:

    “DeSantis as president would be a dumpster fire. He’s got a hard on for trying to out-trump Trump, and it’s going to blow up in his face.”

    Eh, he’s positioning for primaries…like both parties the marginal votes for nomination come from the more ideologically driven and then when in office they revert toward center…well worn path…

    “Trump is going to do something stupid like run as an Independent when he doesn’t get the nomination, guaranteeing the Republicans lose.”

    This is where I have greater respect for Dems than Rs…Dems are strategic and tactical motherfuckers….Rs play too nice, even in their own sandbox….DJT doesn’t win the primaries (which I personally hope he doesn’t) and makes noises about running as an Indie or even not supporting the nominee the Party needs to step in…

    Have the hard conversation that it’s over for him personally but unless he falls in line the REPUBs will rail him, joining and forming investigative committees that will lock up not only him but those close to him…no better way to get the attention of an obstinate asshole than directly attacking what they hold most dear and for Donnie it’s that pretty daughter…

    Rs likely won’t even have this on their radar…if they were Ds it would already be diagramed out on some white board….

  51. crushednjmillenial says:

    Landlords right now: “Mr. Tenant, due to severe rising costs, I am going to need to raise the rent x%. I am hoping you will stay, but this is the lowest price I can offer.”

    Tenant: “That raise is huge and unprecedented from anything I’ve faced in the last 20 years!”

    Landlord: “Maybe you can ask your boss for a raise? . . .”

    Uh oh. We are just about now getting to one full year of slap-you-in-the-face-at-the-grocery-store price rises yet. So, we’re probably at the mid-point of the above conversation happening. The housing bill is almost all people’s biggest monthly expense and, for renters, it is usually only at a fixed price for 1-2 years.

  52. Bystander says:

    Unfortunately the R party has allowed absolute lunacy and chaos to rule since that fat Orange slob got on the escalator is 2015. He sold a fear driven, bs message to foolish Rmasses. DeSantis will have to play to racism, ‘hurt the lib’ angry cult ruled by conspiracy and have no real policy or good-will anymore. He came from two Italian immigrants, played baseball, worked his way up through Yale law and lost his sister. Sounds like a real live person might be in that body unlike the insane, silver spoon f*ck who has conned millions with his faux TV show presidency. Guy was not even a R for gods sake. I don’t fear DeSantis presidency at all. If Biden or Harris run, all for it.

  53. Libturd says:

    The multi 4 houses away from mine has sat for 33 days now. Have you guys seen the photoshopped in staging yet. Nearly all of the furniture and wall decorations are imaginary.


  54. Bystander says:


    You would have to have some imagination as a realtor to create the leg spread abstract in pic 31. Obviously artists, but take it down.

  55. Fast Eddie says:

    DeSantis has a way of driving public money into the hands of his GOP buddies.

    It’s the reason and purpose why the democrat party exists. Funnel taxes from the production class to the dupes, trucklers and vassals in exchange for promises, votes and fake bombshells. It’s money laundering at its finest.

  56. Fast Eddie says:

    Dems are strategic and tactical motherfuckers…

    I’ve been saying it for years. They’re evil and diabolical beyond all imagination.

  57. Juice Box says:

    Just got my bivalent booster! Hopefully no bad reaction!

  58. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Lol. “Absolute lunacy and chaos.” Well that certainly belongs to the eye of the beholder.

    Much of the chaos under trump which was due to the never ending hoaxes and seditious plus. And we now know for certain what much of that was rooted in. It’s an ugly truth.

  59. SmallGovConservative says:

    Bystander says:
    September 30, 2022 at 12:54 pm
    “Unfortunately the R party has allowed absolute lunacy and chaos to rule…”

    So the Rep party that believes there are two genders, that drag shows for children are inappropriate, and that borders need to be protected, is the party of lunacy and chaos? And the Dem party that just eliminated bail for defendants charged with second degree murder in Ill is the party of sanity and order? If nothing else, I give Bi credit for his willingness to embarrass himself in support of his party.

  60. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    I can follow vlad until her goes Into the historical grievances and justifications.

    It’s an interesting insight into growing up in the USSR. He views it as a force for good, never mind the millions ground to a pulp. I guess they censored that part. Russia has never valued individualism or human rights. They treated their own people like animals and very recently. They’ve coerced and intimidated vassal states into cooperating.

    The bombing of Japan was absolutely justified. It saved millions of lives. He’s better off sticking to contemporary events than to history for his rationale.

  61. Libturd says:


    That’s the apartment with the real furniture (and tenant who you will acquire if you buy the place).

    That is quite a work of art.

  62. Jim says:

    Libturd says:
    September 30, 2022 at 12:55 pm
    The multi 4 houses away from mine has sat for 33 days now. Have you guys seen the photoshopped in staging yet. Nearly all of the furniture and wall decorations are imaginary.

    Lib, Thank your lucky stars you were able to dump your house when you did, top dollar and headaches over. Although I am sure it will be a foreclosure in the near future.
    We may hit 9-10% on mortgages within a year… time will tell.
    You should be as happy as a pig in the mud!

  63. Bystander says:


    I’ll take the drag queens over the priest diddlers but vote your party line because of Jesus train earns them whisky and cigars. Party of clear genders, huh? Do I need to point to your fringe nut jobs where a thousand show up to see if JFK jr returning from dead?


  64. Bystander says:

    Speaking of murders, Small. I hear there will be multiple charges in Columbus tomorrow. Be on the watch out.

  65. leftwing says:

    “Dems are strategic and tactical motherfuckers”…”I’ve been saying it for years. They’re evil and diabolical beyond all imagination.”

    yes, but I meant it as a compliment….Repubs need to keep growing a pair. There’s some sun breaking through….blocking Garland but waving Kavanaugh through, blowing up Cheney…they’re getting there….still playing AAA ball while the Dems are top of their MLB division….

  66. Ex says:

    11:16 whatever you gotta tell yourself.
    I guarantee one thing you would not refer to me as a “sissy” in real life.

  67. Fast Eddie says:

    SEATTLE — A newly disclosed forensic analysis has found that 191 texts were manually deleted from an iPhone of former Mayor Jenny Durkan in the months after her administration’s controversial response to racial justice protests in June 2020, according to the latest filings in a federal lawsuit.

    The previously unknown manual text deletions from Durkan’s phone — along with other new details, including that “factory resets” were performed on phones of six other city officials in fall 2020, resulting in the deletions of thousands of other text messages — are among the revelations contained in the findings of an expert’s 32-page report completed in April.

    Nowhere in the article does it mention the word “democrat”. I see tampering with evidence, obstruction charges and an orange jumpsuit forthcoming.


  68. leftwing says:

    So what do we say boys, buy on close?

    Assumption that we’ll be through quarter end, into a relatively benign couple of weeks, no Fed, etc?

    I probably have more net positive delta (essentially, long) than I’ve been in a while…what say we chi, lib?

  69. Libturd says:


    I am. Trust me! Every night, I remind Gator how nice it is to not have to think about that place. Plus, once the stock market crashes, I’m going to double my money in a couple of years. Everything is coming up roses.

  70. Libturd says:

    You are probably correct, or at least we’ll settle into a range. But once earnings season starts and housing worsens (another month), you better be out of that position.

  71. 3b says:

    Lib: In viewing those pictures, who puts the toilet roll holder in the bathroom up so high?? Just saying.

  72. 3b says:

    Bystander: There are some real lunatics in the Dem party as well. Extremists on both sides.

  73. Libturd says:

    They are all the same. I read an absolutely incredible piece on Tangle (which is pretty central) where it showed how nearly all party positions change over time, and quite quickly too. So saying one party is left/right/conservative/liberal is all hooey. Just an amazingly smart read with no inherent mission besides attempting to make you feel stupid for swearing by any political position.

  74. Libturd says:

    Do any of you guys like deep sea fishing?

  75. Bystander says:


    I know 3b. Never said there were no Right are worried cross-dressers yet we all loved a cross-dressing rabbit who kissed other men when on the lips back in the day. Still watch it.

  76. Fast Eddie says:

    Do any of you guys like deep sea fishing?

    Why you asking? Did somebody get whacked?

  77. Libturd says:


    No. Gator won a really serious fishing trip. Not some half day porgy fest. Of course, nearly everyone who committed backed out. It’s a striper boat. Monday the 24th of October. I think it leaves Point Pleasant at 4:30am. 9-hour trip. Serious fishing on a serious boat. 48′ Viking. It’s a $1,000 trip if you had to pay. I can take six, but would prefer 4.

  78. OC1 says:

    “Do any of you guys like deep sea fishing?”

    I’ve gone a couple of times.

    It’s pretty boring- mostly just standing there for hours, jigging your bait, and waiting.

    It’s a lot like ice fishing, except your fellow fisherman (and maybe you) are throwing up over the side, rather than freezing your asses off.

  79. leftwing says:

    Ha, generous offer Lib. I’d raise my hand but shooting that weekend…

    Got my covalent yesterday. Arm a lot sorer than last time, plus bled. She must have been drilling for oil…

  80. 3b says:

    Ukraine wants to speed up their NATO application. I am all for supporting Ukraine with military aid, more than any other country. But, we need to make it clear to the Ukrainians that it won’t happen any time soon if ever. It would be WWIII.

  81. Juice Box says:

    I have 10 lbs of fresh caught tuna in my freezer my neighbor gave me, stuff looks sushi grade etc like $24.99 a lb and looks sushi grade etc. Our neighbors kid loves fishing offshore.. Nobody likes it but me even well marinated….I may carve off a piece and make some sushi this weekend….Not much else to do if it rains allot as predicted.

  82. Ex says:

    I am a Sissy.

  83. Libturd says:


    I’ve gone plenty of times. My uncle was a commercial fisherman. I’ve only puked once in my life and I wasn’t in a boat. But you’re right. About 1/4 of the people make their own chum each trip.

  84. Juice Box says:

    Ex: correction nobody here thinks you are an effeminate male, at least admit what you really are which is a nice good boy..

  85. Ex says:

    I try. What I find funny is that my comment was an observation re: FL insurance.
    That’s A place I lived for 5 years, got my Masters, and met my wife.
    I’ve lived in more red states than most people and somehow I’ve managed.

  86. Juice Box says:

    9 hours in since the shot and I feel fine. My wife who also got the shot is lethargic and might be a but actually less psycho (somatic)


  87. Ex says:

    But keep telling yourself how masculine you are rooting for an obese geriatric who wears face makeup.

  88. Juice Box says:

    Ex – you are a great psychic story teller that is for sure……

  89. Ex says:

    The Gravy Seals.

  90. Ex says:

    Donald Trump turned to social media to plead for donations to his political campaign as parts of Florida began rescue and recovery efforts following Hurricane Ian.

    Speaking in a video on Wednesday from his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, southern Florida, the former president pleaded for donations to his Save America PAC ahead of a fundraising deadline.

  91. OC1 says:

    “9 hours in since the shot and I feel fine. ”

    I got the bivalent booster and the flu shot yesterday. One arm’s a little sore (not sure which shot) but that’s it.

  92. Juice Box says:

    Ex – our west coast teacher with the most!! You are the best!!!!

    FYI – I love the west coast, even considered a place near Napa for retirement. I do loooveeee wine…

    Still a dream!!! Might be there one day,,,

  93. Ex says:

    9:35 there goes your Saturday night

  94. Ex says:

    Thanks Juice. I’m here all week.

  95. Juice Box says:

    Almost 24 hours since my bivalent booster, injection site is now sore it was fine yesterday, but other than that no side affects.

  96. 3b says:

    UC Berkeley has created Jewish Free zones on their campus. These were organized by 9 campus groups that will not allow pro Israel supporters at speaking events held by these groups, apparently the Dean of the University who is also Jewish will be banned under the guidelines. This is more madness.

    If the radical left ever takes over in this country, we may eventually have re-education camps.

  97. leftwing says:

    “Every night, I remind Gator how nice it is to not have to think about that place.”

    Best I can tell for SFH/multis at the cap rates here the investment strategy is nearer term to defer maintenance and ‘compensate oneself’ by way of doing your own work on the building to hold out long enough for eventual meaningful capital appreciation.

    On that thesis when the regional real estate market is full throttle bull, GTFO…take the money, and get the monkey off your back. Especially as one ages.

    Nice pull Lib.

  98. Very Stable Genius says:

    Robert Keith Packer, the ‘Camp Auschwitz’ shirt January 6 insurrectionist, was sentenced to 75 days for his involvement.

    Underneath he was wearing an SS shirt, prosecutors say.
    “It seems to me that he wore that sweatshirt for a reason.” judge Carl Nichols said.

  99. SmallGovConservative says:

    Ex says:
    September 30, 2022 at 2:54 pm
    “I guarantee one thing you would not refer to me as a “sissy” in real life.”

    Lighten up Francis. I’m very benign with the name-calling; there are certainly more fitting names for you and Punkin and your brief anti-Florida circle-jerk on the day after the state is hit by a Cat 4.

    As for your dreams that Fla residents become ‘uninsurable’ and ‘screwed’, as long as talent and financial capital keep pouring into the state at anything approaching the rate they currently are, the state will be just fine. And in case you were wondering, here’s a very brief example of why both talent and capital will continue to head to Florida; this is a statement posted on the Facebook page of the Lee County (Ft Myers) Sheriff — you’ll never see a similar statement from the pro-criminal Dems that govern the decaying blue states/cities, and productive, law-abiding citizens know that…

    “Take a look right here [photo on FB]. This is a team of deputies ready to take on any looters in Lee County. Sheriff Marceno [Republican] made it clear today – law and order will prevail in our county. Looters will be taken to jail.”

  100. joyce says:

    That’s right. Real men are social media attention seeking whores.

  101. Old realtor says:

    That law and order sheriff is going to protect what? Everything is destroyed or blown away. Amazing how idiots like you eat up that tough guy stuff.

  102. leftwing says:

    What does everyone here do for vision care?

    Ophthalmologist v optometrist?

    Indie doctor or optical chain type exam?

    No insurance coverage…just went on Warby Parker, not buggered that I’m not covered…frames lenses look cheap. They also have in store exams at upscale locations (as opposed to the vision add-on to my healthcare whose preferred providers are in places I wouldn’t let a pit bull run wild….).

    Thoughts, experiences, recommendations?

  103. IanWasALiberal HurricaneHatingRedHatters says:


    Go with Opthamologist and get full check up. They’ll give you the prescription to fill it anywhere. They make their money with medical issues and surgeries so they are not into pressuring you to buy the glasses with them.

    Optometrist make their money on selling glasses, their eye test are money losing to them. In the US the eyewear industry is a duopoly with Luxotica being the biggest. So no more what you want from a retail place you are buying from them at incredible mark ups.

    Zenni Optical they are good and cheap online if straight out distance issues and come from China. For complicated stuff like astigmatism and progressive lenses which depend on pupil distance, you’ll probably have to get it done in a shop to get it correct.

    On another subject, I hereby predict that Putin is going to drop a tactical nuke in Ukraine to prove a point that he can do it. The location will likely be the near or on the Chernobyl Alienation Zone, already secluded and radioactive.

  104. Old realtor says:

    My idiot daughter is a wh0re and blows everything.

  105. TreatHerNiceRealtor SheGetsToPickYourNursingHome says:


    When I was younger, I found honor killings horrific. As an older person and I see relatives, I find them a bit of a nice idea.

    For now, just think of Tom Hanks as your daughter. https://youtu.be/kOaD-QHhGys?t=276

  106. Fabius Maximus says:


    Fishing is fun. But then someone suggests a bet and it just escalates.


  107. No One says:

    14 days after I got my covalent shot I tested positive for covid. Two days later just a stuffy nose. Also took the Pfizer antiviral right away.

  108. BRT says:

    Glad it worked out. From what I’ve read on the literature, the incubation period is now too small for an antibody response to neutralize it and prevent infection. Combine that with rate of mutation, it’s just not going to stop infection. Monoclonals taken prior to infection would likely be the only thing that does

  109. Old realtor says:

    Must have gotten under someone’s skin with my comment about the sheriff. Oh well. Hope you enjoy commenting under my handle. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish by this childish stupidity.

    Old realtor says:
    October 1, 2022 at 5:14 pm
    My idiot daughter is a wh0re and blows everything.

  110. Fast Eddie says:


    Agree. That’s bullshit. Use your normal handle to post.

  111. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yea, same thing used to happen to me.

  112. leftwing says:

    Back to something hopefully relevant and useful….Fed, SF

    “We find that the shift to remote work accounts for more than half of overall house price growth over the pandemic. Our results suggest that rising house prices over the pandemic reflected a change in fundamentals rather than a speculative bubble. This implies that the evolution of remote work may be an important determinant of future housing costs and inflation.”


  113. BRT says:

    Yes…childish, but your comment is also off base. Everyone who evacuated and was fortunate enough to not have their home destroyed, it’s often prime time for burglars to raid because nobody in the neighborhood is home.

    And there was a lotting problem in the shore immediately after Sandy.

  114. SmallGovConservative says:

    Old realtor says:
    October 1, 2022 at 1:32 pm
    “That law and order sheriff is going to protect what?”

    Liberal stupidity never ceases to amaze. Yours is the kind that results in Dem officials like Baltimore mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake , who in the midst of rioting and looting in her decaying city said “…we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well…”.

  115. Phoenix says:

    I wonder if the “pro-police” crowd would have liked to been in my shoes. It was the police that helped my ex “loot” me. I believed their lie the first time around. Second time my extremely limited law knowledge was an advantage.
    So much of an advantage that I didn’t lose custody of my child.
    Had I done so their repeated lies would have cost me her as well.

  116. joyce says:

    Isn’t that sheriff the one that said just touching fentanyl could kill you?

  117. BRT says:

    Phoenix, there’s no question there are bad cops, but you can’t paint with a broad brush. Dealing with the police in New Brunswick was a bad experience. They stopped me why I was walking home from work at 3 am. They even broke into my home suspecting I was a drug dealer. In the suburbs, I have had good interactions. I the south, police are very different.

  118. Ex says:

    8:43 just scumbags. Aka insurrectionists losers. Election deniers.
    Same person writes “I’m a sissy” under my handle.
    Must REALLY suck to be in the GOP now. Being stupid, obese, & pathetic isn’t enough you have to lie to yourself and others every single day.

  119. Ex says:

    If Texas Republicans were a restaurant, I’d complain to the manager. If I were a teacher grading their work, they’d get an F. In other words, Texas Republicans don’t deserve even a lone star rating at this point.
    The GOP’s false statements, unethical behavior, and support of unjust laws and policies continue to jeopardize the health and safety of Texans—and everyone else, too—in multiple ways. This article takes an in-depth look at three particularly egregious examples and the irreparable harm they’ve caused:
    From their false statements after the massacre in Uvalde to the party’s continued support of the “Big Lie” that widespread voter fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election is the reason President Biden won, Republicans have made dishonesty their official policy. Efforts to have parents of transgender kids investigated for abuse are similarly built on lies and fearmongering about young LGBTQ+ people and the physician-approved medical care they may receive.
    Before taking a detailed look at those three examples, it is important to note that they are a small part of a much larger pattern. Texas Republicans have expressed support for numerous other proposals that would endanger the health and safety of residents.
    If you doubt that, read the Texas GOP’s official 2022 platform. Here are some of its many recommendations:
    Repeal all federal and local minimum wage and mandatory sick leave laws
    Repeal hate crime laws
    Repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (“Obamacare”)
    Abolish many federal entities, including the EPA, TSA, FDA, CDC, and OSHA
    Prohibit all gender-affirming medical care for transgender kids under 21
    Those ideas are alarming but have not been implemented yet, although we’re already beginning to see proposed legislation based on them. The three examples of false claims with dangerous consequences described below have already occurred, with devastating results. These lies continue to be repeated by Texas Republicans and cause additional harm.

  120. Old realtor says:

    In the aftermath of a historically devastating hurricane do you deploy limited resources to save lives or protect property?

    You idiots love a tough guy or maybe you prefer property to people.

  121. leftwing says:

    I thought those super cute upper case terms that liberal mainstream media trots out to trial balloon for the Dem Party were all abandoned as the general populace LOL’ed rather than accept the earnestness and honesty of Chuckie boy Schumer…

    Big Lie…Insurrection….Election Denier…

    C’mon guys, even the POS NYT has stopped using these as they haven’t opinion poll tested positive enough….

  122. leftwing says:

    “In the aftermath of a historically devastating hurricane do you deploy limited resources to save lives or protect property?”

    Why is the decision binary?

    Grim ought to ban anyone posting under someone else’s actual handle…hell, I get agitated when humorous filler handles are used and I can’t figure out who it is….

  123. Phoenix says:

    Broad brush?

    No, not broad brush. They were consistent. Always the hero to the pretty female. Didn’t matter how much she lied, I was, and still am, the bad guy.

    That “damsel in distress” phenomenon, its a real thing. Especially if your wife is a hottie.

    Ex, you never know… but I don’t wish it on you or anyone else.

  124. leftwing says:

    I’d lol this if it weren’t so sad.


    In other news, is someone’s favorite failing Swiss international bank seeing an unusual widening of CDS spreads…..?

  125. joyce says:

    1) looting could very well be a potential problem in affected areas.
    2) I wouldn’t use the word binary; I’d say prioritize… and it’s because of “limited resources.” As time goes by as well as resources become less limited, the priorities can change.

    leftwing says:
    October 2, 2022 at 11:53 am
    “In the aftermath of a historically devastating hurricane do you deploy limited resources to save lives or protect property?”

    Why is the decision binary?

  126. BRT says:

    Ever think that maybe the “tough talk” was so they can minimize potential looting while actually taking priority with helping people?

  127. joyce says:

    From Florida’s “Law and Order Sheriff”? No, I think it’s for more media attention.

  128. BRT says:

    all I care about is whether the law, which is just, is enforced.

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