You’d be crazy to sell

Posted on August 24, 2023 by grim

Interesting look at mortgage rate lock-in from Fortune:

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87 Responses to You’d be crazy to sell

  1. grim says:
    August 24, 2023 at 6:47 am

    2.25% on my 15y

  2. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 7:42 am

    Crazy? it is the way…..

  3. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 7:56 am

    Grim – you should be trading up to Pines Lake by now.

    Here is a nice new lair for an AI Nuralinked Ozempic enhanced techno lord.

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/668-Pines-Lake-Dr-W-Wayne-NJ-07470/39799663_zpid/

  4. Hold my beer says:
    August 24, 2023 at 7:56 am

    Maybe that chart is part of the reason why Buffett bought home builders last quarter.

  5. Juice B says:
    August 24, 2023 at 8:04 am

    163 million views for Tucker Trump interview, why are all the Democrats watching his new show? There is no way MSM can put up those kind numbers, advertisers will be looking to Elon”s X this election season.

  6. Hughesrep says:
    August 24, 2023 at 8:26 am

    Views…. So if you follow twitter, and someone tweeted a link or part of it on their feed, even just to mock them it counts. So basically everyone who has a twitter account ran acrossed it, throw in the nutjjobs, bots and fake accounts pushing it multiple times, etc. Numbers appear to be distinctly “meh”. Short attention span theater.

    I’m guessing the mug shot this afternoon will kill those numbers. I’m more interested in the height and weight numbers. I’m going with 5’11, 265.

    From yahoo, I know, fake news.

    …In other words, a view is counted even if you didn’t actively look at the post — posts by the way were formerly known as “tweets” before Elon Musk changed the site’s name to X — even if all it did was cross your screen while you were scrolling. Which by the way is a very likely occurrence on X’s algorithmic “For You” tab… especially if that tweet features content by users Twitter owner Elon Musk personally wants to boost.

    …As of this writing, Carlson’s interview with Trump has been reposted (formerly “retweeted”) 139,700 times, quote-posted (formerly “quote-tweeted”) 11,100 times, liked 457,00 times, bookmarked 31,800 times, and has been replied to around 40,000 times. Not especially low numbers, and they’re likely to go up overnight. It’s undeniable that Trump has a lot of supporters, many of whom swarm on Twitter.

    … But these days, Fox averages about 1.7 million viewers during its primetime broadcast.

    From six hours ago.

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-bragging-100-million-views-061354307.html

  7. Bystander says:
    August 24, 2023 at 8:37 am

    Did Carlson ask about UFOs being real during a presidential debate? That was Faux News.

  8. Fast Eddie says:
    August 24, 2023 at 8:41 am

    I liked Nikki Haley; she seems really confident and focused and I liked her views on most of the policies. Her command of the issues is impressive. Vivek is sharp, no denying it. I thought all of them were strong in their strategies, whatever it may be. I couldn’t stop thinking about how truly bad O’Biden and Carmella are as Prez and VP. Really the worst administration in my lifetime. O’Biden’s domestic and foreign policies have been a disaster. But what I was thinking was how bad the vegetable would be debating among a group of candidates. The guy can’t even put a sentence together and his side kick, Giggles, sounds like a 7 year old in a woman’s body.

  9. Fast Eddie says:
    August 24, 2023 at 8:42 am

    Ah, the UFO question… that was funny. Christies was like, really? lol.

  10. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 8:46 am

    Hughesrep – I know how impressions work even bots, links, views and all. Fact it they blew MSM actual viewership out of the water, the message whatever it was reached more people. That is what advertising is all about, as well more people get their news from Social Media than cable news, and it’s been that way for a long time now.

    Leave it to Elon to remove the actual streaming metrics, if it is good enough he will brag about it or it will be provided to advertisers who will demand it before they spend $$$ during this election cycle.

  11. SmallGovConservative says:
    August 24, 2023 at 8:55 am

    Libturd says:
    August 23, 2023 at 10:23 pm
    “I said it when Roe V. Wade was overturned. The Dems won the 2024 election…”

    Another myopic take from inside the blue-state bubble. The ‘independent’ women that I’m guessing you’re implying will now vote D, have overwhelmingly voted D for the past 50 years. And although you wouldn’t know if from the blue-state Dem stooges that post here, the massive migration to the red states speaks to the fact that huge numbers of people care about other things — they want criminals to be prosecuted, they want their kids classrooms to be free from tranny story time, they want our borders to be secured, etc…Given the radical left shift of the D party, and their demonstrated inability (or unwillingness) to provide sound governance, their only sure path to victory at the national level is through the mass mailing (and harvesting) of ballots. If they can do that again, especially in the swing states — and even if the court had left RvW alone — they’ll win.

  12. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 8:57 am

    Haley is Desi too Sikh/Punjabi as a matter of fact. Her and Vivek did spar a little with the “No foreign policy experience” comment about him.

    I did laugh at Christie’s ChatGPT comment, even Vivek laughed. Christie is a seasoned debater and prepped Trump if you remember. The only way he gets any votes is if he repackages himself and loses weight by February, like his own little “biggest loser” show crafted into a presidential campaign where he comes out as the fighter he says he is and goes wild on a crash diet. Right now he is slow and tired looking, nothing to vote for.

  13. Bystander says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:04 am

    Agree Ed..Nikki was best of bunch. Borgum sounds like a decent person but just way too awkward. Asa ran the DEA..GTOH. Last person we need . Talk about a criminal, wasteful agency. Vivek is worse than any leftist teenager who wants trans equality and climate change funding. He is immature and has no idea how govt or constitution works. Lobbing garbage and acting like he has a plan.

  14. The Great Pumpkin says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:07 am

    $NVDA investors: “never seen anything like this”

    I have.

    $CSCO tripled revenue 1997 to 2000 ($6.4B to $19B) as the internet boom drove rapid networking spend. The stock mooned 10X

    Then revenue flatlined 2000-2003 as the boom cooled. $CSCO stock lost 70% in 2001

  15. Fast Eddie says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:10 am

    Pence wanted to send Vivek to his room with no supper. Lol! I think a lot of people don’t realize Nikki is of 100% Asian Indian descent. The ChatGPT comment was funny. Borgum does appear to be compassionate. Asa is out, nothing there.

  16. Phoenix says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:11 am

    RV group in Cali:

    The lower-middle class in the US today has a lower life expectancy and is expected to suffer more from chronic illnesses compared to the previous generation who had a similar income in 1990s.

    Americans who fall into the lower-middle class category are often overlooked because they earn too much money to qualify for state or federal assistance, such as Medicaid, food stamps or housing vouchers, but they earn too little to cover the increasing costs of healthcare and housing.

  17. Phoenix says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:12 am

    Pence looked like a used Q-Tip

  18. Phoenix says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:15 am

    Last night you watched the best and brightest of America who can’t wait to be your future leaders.

    These are the most superior beings America has, it’s why they are up on the stage and you are not. They want to rule you and your children.

    Let that sink in for a moment. While not imbibing on alcohol or CBD that is.

  19. 3b says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:19 am

    All eyes on Powell at Jackson Hole tomorrow.

  20. Bystander says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:24 am

    Tim Scott was blah. Honestly, I tuned in only because I never listened to any of them outside Pence and Christie, perhaps a bit of Haley when she was nutto on Trump train. I don’t think I ever watched DeSantis outside 10 sec clip. No charisma.

    Truly a lost party for women. The anti-teacher rants and abortion ban talks are downright stupid for 2024. They can’t help themselves kissing tuchus of old religious nuts. The background crowd looked like my mother’s senior center on bingo night.

  21. BananaJoe says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:26 am

    Christie is the swamp insider candidate. I don’t know of anyone else in the field trying to defend political prosecutions as law and order.

    Carry water for the deep state. The same Biden did in 2020. Got a corrupt vegetable to the White House.

  22. ExEx says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:33 am

    IdiotJoe we all watched serious crimes committed.
    This bullshit narrative of yours is treasonous.

  23. ExEx says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:34 am

    9:15 Best & Brightest was a time about the wankers who worked for Kennedy.

  24. The Great Pumpkin says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:36 am

    “The stock market is filled with individuals who know the price of everything, but the value of nothing.” — Phillip Fisher on $NVDA

  25. Phoenix says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:38 am

    It won’t be long before the memes on TikTok with DeSantis start over his helping Navy Seals with urinalysis testing and collection.

    “He said he hung out with Navy Seals ! I went back to re listen.

    It’s was meant to sound like he was a seal for sure.
    He was in charge of urine testing.
    Urine Testing not Navy Sealing !

    DeSantis misled with his reference to being with Navy Seals. He was a legal advisor to the Seals and assisted with urinalysis according to a check online.

  26. Bystander says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:40 am

    Asa and Pence also, Banana Brain. The only spot on moment for Ron was when he called out Faux News stupidity for asking candidates to raise their hand if would support convict for President. “What are we school children?” Yes, their regular viewers are indeed grown-children.

  27. BananaJoe says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:40 am

    Many said the same thing about the collusion and impeachment hoaxes. Total fabrications. I guess I would continue to be in denial if I got played like that. Hurts your pride.

  28. BananaJoe says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:45 am

    You could say the same about pence I guys but he’s not making trashing trump his entire platform the way Christie has. He’s signaling to the swamp.

  29. SmallGovConservative says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:46 am

    Bystander says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:24 am
    “…They can’t help themselves kissing tuchus of old religious nuts…”

    The lack of self awareness would be funny if not so stupid; accusing the R’s of appealing to religious nuts, just two weeks after ~1000 people died in Maui because the Dem water commissioner, appointed because of his ‘spiritual’ view of water and insistence on ‘equity’, wouldn’t release it to firefighters. Please don’t ever move to a red state, thx.

  30. Phoenix says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:49 am

    SGC

    And don’t forget the attention span of the firefighters, who left a smoldering scene only to have it reignite and destroy the whole area.

    Hey, when Insta calls, you gotta text.

  31. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:50 am

    Speaking of Election Season.

    Pumps and BRT and anyone else here with a family member working for any federal, state of local government in any capacity.

    I flipped on Joe Madison in the car while taking my kids to camp. Many callers were excited, as this week they magically had their student loan debt forgiven. Some with $90k, Joe’s sister had $24k forgiven etc, loads and loads of callers received letters from their servicers the debt was zeroed out.

    He then had on Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona. They are forgiving all debt for anyone with 10 years of service for any government agency. Cardona said 650,000 will have their debt forgiven and they are processing them as quickly as possible. No idea if there are income caps.

    The other new program is SAFE, if you have a student loan they will lower the payments all the way to zero if you are low-income. This you have to apply for.

    Going to be a fun election season.

  32. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:58 am

    Desantis was at Gitmo. What he did is classified. If he does get the nod it will come out for sure.

    Paramount Pictures (Shari Redstone CBS& VIamco, etc) canceled the already-in-the-can Vice documentary that was supposed to air on Showtime last May about Desantis.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/desantis-guantanamo-force-feedings-canceled-documentary-1234793826/

  33. Bystander says:
    August 24, 2023 at 10:06 am

    SGC’s Maui reasoning even too nutty for the debate last night. That says something. Please don’t take money from achieving blue states and move to red states. We then get Ron DeSantis viewed as some savior when he is a presidential wet blanket.

  34. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 10:14 am

    NVIDA is a great story. To buy one of their base DGX platform servers for AI is about $200,000. Now multiply that into the thousands and there is your revenue of $10 Billion in Data center revenue for the quarter about 5,000 servers more or less?

    All I have been saying the hardware costs have to come down. MSFT is working with AMD. Nadella is not about to give away all of his corporate revenues. We shall see them come out with something new soon enough.

  35. Phoenix says:
    August 24, 2023 at 10:32 am

    When I look at Nikki Haley all I see is this:

    https://tinyurl.com/muxdme44

  36. No One says:
    August 24, 2023 at 10:33 am

    I liked Nikki the best not because she has any strong policy positions, she’s pretty moderate, even bland, but because she has some foreign policy experience, some leadership/government experience, is more moderate on abortion, and seems like she’d be fairly sane and presidential.
    Basically the “do no harm” candidate.
    But her ending 45 second pitch was weak. Why does she need to tell us about sending her husband off to some undisclosed military operation?

    She’s the whitest looking Indian I’ve seen. Makes me wonder if she has an Englishman grandfather. Wonder if she’d won her races in SC if she looked different.

    But I don’t see her gaining big ground out of this.

    Desantis didn’t really distinguish himself.

    Vivek got some positive and negative attention, but at this point any attention is good attention. But reminds me of a debate team guy who doesn’t care about truth, more interested in landing rhetorical punches. The Greeks called such people Sophists.

    Meanshile, Trump continues to destroy the Republican party from the inside.

  37. Phoenix says:
    August 24, 2023 at 10:39 am

    Juice,
    Student loan thing is interesting. I tell all the young kiddies where I work they are dopey for staying there.

    They whine and complain, but they are young enough to take government jobs that in the long term will benefit them so much more.

    The youth are dumb, I should know, I was one once. I had plenty of opportunities to get a career that benefits me over helping others.

    It’s not till later in life that you realize no one gives a ratz azz about you, and that the government pension is the way to go.

    Another whole group is about to jump ship where I work, it’s a revolving door now, no stability, no one stays long enough to become good at what they do.

  38. Phoenix says:
    August 24, 2023 at 10:43 am

    She’s the whitest looking Indian I’ve seen. Makes me wonder if she has an Englishman grandfather. Wonder if she’d won her races in SC if she looked different.

    Maybe her mother hooked up with the UPS guy?

  39. Libturd says:
    August 24, 2023 at 10:48 am

    In 2016, there were a few Republican candidates that were not morons on the dais. Last night, they were all the same kooks. All parroting the Fox News narrative. Not a single person offered a unique position. The vast majority of them making believe they are Trump.

    The wonks on the Right here can keep making the red state/blue state argument until the cows come home. The really sad truth is, the vast majority of Republican voters are ignoring the soon to be > 100 indictments against Trump and will follow that moron right to prison. This one is going to be a landslide. And the right is going to lose to a president who is an incoherent puppet of the DNC. It will not get better for the right until they reinvent themselves and stop the lying bullshit. It’s all negative, all the time. Angry populism is simply a crappy platform. And the party better find a candidate that is different than DeSantis since Trump’s going to plea bargain himself out of politics and his supporters won’t support DeSantis who is Trump’s enemy number one.

    Anyone want to wager some more Silk City hooch?

    Biden winning a second term in a landslide. Priceless. So what do you think is going to happen when and if the Dems ever wise up and run a non-establishment candidate, like the time we all thought Obama was?

    And I take no pride in a Biden win. It speaks volumes of how little we value our politicians.

  40. The Great Pumpkin says:
    August 24, 2023 at 10:48 am

    Biden and the democrats need to go. How is anyone okay with this? Literally buying votes with our money. Wtf?!!

    Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 9:50 am
    Speaking of Election Season.

    Pumps and BRT and anyone else here with a family member working for any federal, state of local government in any capacity.

    I flipped on Joe Madison in the car while taking my kids to camp. Many callers were excited, as this week they magically had their student loan debt forgiven. Some with $90k, Joe’s sister had $24k forgiven etc, loads and load

  41. Phoenix says:
    August 24, 2023 at 10:55 am

    Biden and the democrats need to go. How is anyone okay with this? Literally buying votes with our money.

    Haha,

    Like only Dems do that, and like it’s ever going to stop.

    The only thing that could possibly stop government grifting is a Russian nuclear warhead to Washington, DC, and even then it will probably survive like a cockroach.

  42. Phoenix says:
    August 24, 2023 at 10:57 am

    Greta Gerwig for President

    It’s time for the Patriarchy to go.

  43. 3b says:
    August 24, 2023 at 10:58 am

    Lib: I don’t disagree with your analysis, but I would add the Democrats are just as angry and just as negative as the Republican side.

  44. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:05 am

    Nikki has a very modern family and could pull many Democratic voters in the election. All they need now is for their son to come out as transgender.

    https://americankahani.com/lead-stories/nikki-haleys-daughter-rena-marries-her-college-sweetheart-joshua-jackson-on-a-south-carolina-island/

  45. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:07 am

    Here is some more details, as people have been getting letters that their student loan debt has been forgiven.

    804,000 borrowers…..

    “Starting Monday, hundreds of thousands of federal student loan borrowers received emails from their servicers with the subject line “Your student loans have been forgiven.”

    The notices came as part of the Biden administration’s previously announced efforts to cancel debt for 804,000 borrowers who qualify for relief under their repayment plans but haven’t yet received it because of what officials have called administrative failures.

    The emails started going out on Monday, according to a copy of the confirmation notices to borrowers that ABC News exclusively obtained.

    It’s expected that all 800,000-plus borrowers will be notified of some relief in the coming weeks. By the end of the day Monday, the Department of Education estimated that it had already wiped the debt of more than 200,000 people.

    Around 614,000 people are expected to have their entire student loan debts canceled, while others might have remaining loans that they took out at different times.”

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-administration-begins-wiping-student-loan-debt-804000/story?id=102264052

  46. 3b says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:13 am

    Juice: People paying student loans for 20 to 25 years??

  47. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:24 am

    3b – Who said anything about paying? That is crazy paying your debt down? That is unamerican!

  48. Fabius Maximus says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:29 am

    Anyone want to wager some more Silk City hooch?

    Still waiting to be paid on all the bets I won here over the years. The closest I came to someone paying up was Eddie Ray when I took Obama against the field. He said he would pay up on condition that I open the bottle and drink it with him.

  49. Libturd says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:32 am

    I got paid on two of my three here and I won a Wagyu brisket on Facebook from a big Trump supporter. Unfortunately, I didn’t get it until almost this Spring. The shame of it, being that I would never welch on any bet. I would pay off the moment the bet was decided. Of course, I have morals.

  50. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:32 am

    For the nerds. Here is an older reporter who just wrote a story about Generative AI. I have been following him for decades. I take it Jensen Huang’s comment yesterday about System 360 and how he invented the next wave of computing.

    It’s rosy for NVIDIA for sure, as well as alternatives like AMD.

    https://www.nextplatform.com/2023/08/24/nvidia-theres-a-new-kid-in-datacenter-town/

  51. Libturd says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:33 am

    I remember Eddie Ray. I wonder which of the many frequently name changing wonks that is?

  52. Fast Eddie says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:36 am

    “It will not get better for the right left until they reinvent themselves and stop the lying bullshit. It’s all negative, all the time.”

    There, fixed it.

  53. Fabius Maximus says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:39 am

    That debate last night was hilarious. What a Sh1tShow. A line up of wingnut governors and Viveks teeth. The guy needs to do an informercial for those implants.

    DeSantis and Pence came off better than expected.

  54. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:42 am

    BTW – TSMC which makes the magic chiplets for the processor companies like NVIDIA just fired up their latest Gigafab foundry in Taiwan, so full steam ahead there, business as usual.

    Their US foundry in Arizona? It’s delayed, as apparently the lazy Americans have no talent to run the place anyway so they are bringing in Chinese workers to get it done. It’s not a GigaFab anyway. It’s classified as only a MegaFab.

    Read the comments in the article.

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/18966/tsmc-delays-arizona-fab-deployment-to-2025

  55. Fabius Maximus says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:50 am

    Eddie Ray is my peer name for Nom. Eddie Ray Kahn was Wesley Snipes Tax Attorney.

  56. No One says:
    August 24, 2023 at 11:55 am

    Nikki Hailey’s daughter married a Christian middle school math teacher. I thought Indian moms strive for their daughters to marry more ambitiously than that. Wonder if her future kids will still get Indian names or will adopt more “biblical” names. I think I’ve mentioned before, it’s surprising how Indian families, even when both parents are born in the US, almost always use Indian names, while Chinese families almost always use “biblical” or “American sounding” names, even if they have kids before they are US citizens. I don’t understand the sociological drivers of this difference in naming approach.

  57. No One says:
    August 24, 2023 at 12:00 pm

    Pence was pretty much as always, an honest and serious guy. Too religious for most, including myself. His problem is that he’s trying to run on the coattails of the “Trump/Pence” administration, which he repeatedly mentioned, while the headliner Trump is trashing him and Trump’s most rabid fans view him as a traitor who should be hanged. Tarnished by association with Trump yet not beloved by Trumpers. So too bad for him but he’s screwed politically forever.

  58. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 12:02 pm

    No One…. Arranged marriage is very much the norm in Sikhism, but those kids weren’t raised that way. This is a Modern American Family, and Nikki is a good choice over the Orange Clown as well as has the potential to be the first woman president. Checks loads of Democratic voter boxes, and should be able to beat an Octogenerian

    Vivek said it last night, the party needs to adapt or die.

  59. Libturd says:
    August 24, 2023 at 12:03 pm

    I watched under ten minutes of the debate last night and a few snippets on twitter this morning, which really, was the way to watch it.

    Here is the problem for everyone. The party is still gaga over Trump the entertainer. Even when Christie pointed out that Pence certifying the election was the most constitutional act performed by anyone there, the crowd was nearly silent. Of course, this was the same crowd that was proudly chanting hang Pence on 1/6. I couldn’t believe they all agreed to get behind Trump if he won the primary. Not a one of those spineless candidates did anything to separate themselves from Trump. Heck, they hardly did anything to separate themselves from each other. Quite honestly, why even have a debate if everyone has the same position. So they were left to character-assassinate each other and that’s pretty much all they did.

    And to really screw the right, Trump set the precedent of sitting it out, which will make it impossible to fault Biden when he chooses to sit them all out (for obvious reasons).

    As far as I could tell, not a single one of those kooks even went after Trump for not participating. How the hell are you going to beat him if, 1) You share the same platform positions as him. 2) You make no attempt to attack him (and believe me, he’s very easy to punch holes in). 3) You don’t differentiate yourself from each other.

    It should have been called the 2024 Trump Agreement presentation.

  60. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 12:07 pm

    Lib – if everyone has the same position?

    Vivek said we need to get out of Ukraine and arm everyone in Taiwan including the children. He was by far the most entertaining, and if it weren’t for the fact he is the successful version of Martin Shkreli I’d consider him viable albeit perhaps too young.

  61. Fast Eddie says:
    August 24, 2023 at 12:16 pm

    That debate last night was hilarious. What a Sh1tShow.

    “We now return to our regularly scheduled liberal programming… Trump sucks… and… Trump sucks… and according to the NYT and Washington Post, there’s evidence to be released that Trump sucks and…. wait a minute… breaking now… bombshell news just released by the AP… Trump sucks!!

    “Declan and Ryker, we’ll get your take on this bombshell news but in the meantime; what stands out the most on the many exceptional achievements of the Biden Administration?”

    “Well Caitlin, it’s obvious that once we learned that Trump sucks, Biden was racking up win after win and democracy was saved!”

  62. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 1:12 pm

    We are going to have to buy them new homes and give them million-dollar signing bonuses to compete with China as they ramp up efforts to recruit technology talent from Elite Universities including those here in the USA.

    https://www.reuters.com/technology/china-quietly-recruits-overseas-chip-talent-us-tightens-curbs-2023-08-24/

  63. Libturd says:
    August 24, 2023 at 1:14 pm

    I actually found Vivek the most appealing until he claimed he would use lethal force to close the Southern Border. Of course, that was nothing compared to DeSantis claiming everyone who crosses the border was a fentanyl carrying terrorist. I lied. They have differences. Each one was trying outcrazy the others.

  64. SmallGovConservative says:
    August 24, 2023 at 1:26 pm

    Libturd says:
    August 24, 2023 at 1:14 pm
    “…close the Southern Border. Each one was trying outcrazy the others.”

    The world according to Lib and the Dem stooges — as well as the 99.9% of teenage girls that their voting pattern is aligned with…

    securing the southern border = crazy
    being governed by Joe Biden, John Futterman, Dianne Feinstein = not crazy

  65. Bystander says:
    August 24, 2023 at 2:20 pm

    Fab,

    Pence – You almost have to appreciate anyone who can rise to that echelon and not chase the amazing amounts p&ssy, drugs, money and booze. Seriously, that guy is principled as they come, no matter how delusional those principles are. Do the religious nuts get woodies when he quotes scripture so eloquently? They must..

  66. ExEx says:
    August 24, 2023 at 2:20 pm

    News flash Trump indeed does suck.

    Worst President ever.

  67. Bystander says:
    August 24, 2023 at 2:27 pm

    Quote of the night by Fox anchor – “Let’s talk about the elephant not in the room..Trump”

    That was classic. What a great dig. No doubt Faux News and Dumpy love affair will begin anew at some point.

  68. Libturd says:
    August 24, 2023 at 3:00 pm

    But I am right.

  69. Libturd says:
    August 24, 2023 at 3:08 pm

    Choices.

    A) 91 criminal charges across four jurisdictions
    B) 91 years of public service

  70. The Great Pumpkin says:
    August 24, 2023 at 4:25 pm

    Lib,

    That’s hilarious in reference to your last post. Lmfao.

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:
    August 24, 2023 at 4:40 pm

    I am trying to figure out this market. A lot of the market was expecting another rally…we might not be getting one and this maybe last crash is already starting to form.

    Big money is/has been moving into safety. Just slow enough to not make it so obvious. I don’t know if we get another rally…

  72. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 4:44 pm

    Spacex employees looks like a United Nations convention and the DOJ is now suing them for not hiring people here with no green cards or work visas? You can’t work in many government jobs either, without documentation. How many people without a work visa or green card are working at NASA? SpaceX launches DoD satellites and is our only way to shuttle astronaut, nuts I say just nuts.

    “The lawsuit alleges that, from at least September 2018 to May 2022, SpaceX routinely discouraged asylees and refugees from applying and refused to hire or consider them, because of their citizenship status, in violation of the Immigration and Nationality Act,” the Justice Department said.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/24/world/spacex-justice-department-lawsuit-hiring-scn/index.html?utm_content=2023-08-24T18%3A59%3A07&utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social

  73. The Great Pumpkin says:
    August 24, 2023 at 4:50 pm

    Fed Expected To Drill In ‘Higher For Longer’ In Jackson Hole

    Fed Chair Powell’s Jackson Hole speech is unlikely to bring new elements to the US monetary policy outlook, says Julian Brigden, from Macro Intelligence 2. “They will keep holding out their powder because they don’t want to ease financial conditions,” Brigden says. “They will keep holding out this sort of sword of Damocles in the shape of possibly another 25 basis points of rate hikes, while emphasizing they are not going to cut any time soon.” Brigden expects inflation to remain above target, leaving no room for dovishness. He says investors are yet to realize that higher-for-longer means “much, much longer than the markets concept of longer.”

  74. Juice Box says:
    August 24, 2023 at 5:37 pm

    PNC tonight for Smashing Pumpkins, looks like the rain is done..

    Billy can still sing it too. Mosh Pit looks tame these days compared to Grunge Days….

    San Diego two weeks ago.. Bullet with butterfly wings

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2O4eE99Mbg

  75. chicagofinance says:
    August 24, 2023 at 5:54 pm

    Tranya gives you the biggest bitch of a hangover…..

    https://www.startrek.com/database_article/tranya

    Phoenix says:
    August 24, 2023 at 10:32 am
    When I look at Nikki Haley all I see is this:

  76. Jim says:
    August 24, 2023 at 6:32 pm

    ExEx says:
    August 24, 2023 at 2:20 pm
    News flash Trump indeed does suck.

    Worst President ever.

    Here is a hint stoner, what president has given us 20% inflation, has opened our southern boarders to drug lords, convicts and gangs, sold the USA down the road for his personal gain,( read up how Joe sold out Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin who was fired, even after receiving a letter from Obama praising his work),killing the middle class, destroying our economy and Afghanistan debacle.

    I do not like Trump, but he did a hell of a lot better than Joe has, and Joe is not done yet.

    Please have your wife or daughter proofread your dumb posts, you are looking like the village idiot. Common sense is not one of your strong points, and smoking pot kills brain cells.

  77. ExEx says:
    August 24, 2023 at 6:48 pm

    I could whooop you in a test of wits with half my brain tied behind my back.

  78. ExEx says:
    August 24, 2023 at 6:50 pm

    278 is the current number for fat boy’s weight.
    Now let’s see how tall this turd is. Admit it, it’s fun to watch!!!

  79. chicagofinance says:
    August 24, 2023 at 7:06 pm

    I have the same wholesaler pinging me…… would you just go to a presentation locally down here or take the opportunity to go to Trump Bedminster? just for the fuck of it….

  80. Jim says:
    August 24, 2023 at 7:14 pm

    ExEx says:
    August 24, 2023 at 6:48 pm
    I could whooop you in a test of wits with half my brain tied behind my back.

    Sure you could, anybody who thinks Joe Biden is a good president is already brain dead. He can’ t even figure out how to leave a stage, plagiarized in college, and has taken more time off than any other president in history.
    Your brain is burnt out, you don’t work and you think Joe is the best president ever. Do you remember Kennedy, Eisenhower , or read up on Washington, Lincoln . These men were so much better than senile Joe Biden . Facts Jack. I think your brain is already tied behind your back. That alone is the dumbest statement I have EVER heard. Ask your wife to proofread or wait until your clear headed drug free, which should be around December 2024.

  81. ExEx says:
    August 24, 2023 at 7:57 pm

    You’d think all of this vitriol would make my little soy tears run down my moobs.
    But noooooo it only makes me stronger and more determined to annoy You.
    278…. 5’10” but he’ll self report 6″1″ 230 because you and he have no sense of reality.
    Your mamas sent you both to formula waaaay too early.

  82. The Great Pumpkin says:
    August 24, 2023 at 8:07 pm

    In case you’re wondering how mortgage companies are doing:

    Better․com, a major mortgage company, went public today via SPAC.

    Their stock crashed a massive 93% in ONE DAY.

    The company went from being worth $4 billion yesterday to $400 million today.

    How can this end well?

  83. ExEx says:
    August 24, 2023 at 8:07 pm

    Here I am enjoying a relaxing Bubba Kush root beer.
    I’m a grown ass man Jim. I’d think you’d understand.
    Ex-athlete / current craftsman with hands filled with arthritis.
    Best treatment yet.

  84. ExEx says:
    August 24, 2023 at 8:12 pm

    Trump is 6’3″ and 215 lbs.

    He cannot tell the truth. It’s physically impossible for him .

  85. Juice Box says:
    August 25, 2023 at 12:12 am

    Pumpkins show was great tonigh and PNC no rain and the kids running the parkind lot let me park up top near the ADA lot for free.

    Billy is the best/ I however did not get too close as I want to keep my heariing, he had it turned up!!

    Anecdotal I was hanging with a bunch of musicians, including my brother. He shared he got a student loan forgiveness email from his processor this week. There was a lot of joy for sure on that news, the drummer in his band was bummed but I told him Secretary Miguel said only 200,000 have been processed and there are 600,000 to go.. The Drummer works for Rutgers and I will say no more.

    How about 3B and Pumps any letters arrive? Do Tell..,

  86. leftwing says:
    August 25, 2023 at 5:19 am

    “Vivek said it last night, the party needs to adapt or die.”

    Even my aged ears hurt listening to how out of touch and aged they were…Thatcher? WTF? I barely remember Thatcher.

    The R party is doing zero actively to cultivate the newest generation and many things proactively to turn them off. That’s were the abortion issue comes in, and why Lib is correct on the impact of RvW. Huge numbers of these kids don’t even believe in an established religion. It’s a social and freedom issue for them. That may hurt some peoples’ ears but it is what it is. Deal with it. If Pence ran he would be lucky to get 10% of the vote of people under 35.

    “…it’s surprising how Indian families, even when both parents are born in the US, almost always use Indian names, while Chinese families almost always use “biblical” or “American sounding” names”

    Met two different guys in the last week both named Moe. Given names were Mohammed. Not kidding.

  87. leftwing says:
    August 25, 2023 at 5:38 am

    Lib you were expecting way too much from this debate. It unfolded mostly according to plan and expectations. Especially with the size of the field. Equally distributed each candidate would have had, what, eight minutes across all those topics. Not going to get any substance there.

    DeSantis didn’t want to damage himself further and get a few good clips for media. Mission accomplished. Pence is Pence, presentation and message not changing. Two candidates needed to make noise to get a higher profile, Vivek and Haley, mission accomplished, what message got them there didn’t matter. Christie played his role as DJT attack dog, not a serious candidate. Three people are writeoffs and won’t be there next time opening things up in September.

    The sooner the Rs get to a small stage and single challenger to DJT the better. If you could drop Christie and Pence as well from next debate it would be ideal but that probably won’t happen.

    In somewhat uncharted territory so interesting things may happen…just for the fun of it, don’t think it will happen but let’s game some things out, assume DJT continues to hold a dominant lead and there’s the need for a hail mary…what if DeSantis and Haley teamed up with the pitch to nominate DeSantis and he promises to take Haley as VP on the ticket. Could something like that get enough rational right/moderate/suburban primary vote out to tilt the nomination?

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