C19 Open Discussion Week 11b

Posted on May 29, 2020 by grim

Breaking news, Bill Gates admits role in world domination scheme. Discusses plan to inject humans with tracking microchips disguised as sars-cov-2 vaccine.

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335 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 11b

grim says:

May 27, 2020 at 9:37 pm

Equally shocking, Toys R Us headquarters in Wayne leased to a new tenant.
Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

May 27, 2020 at 10:27 pm

Amazon?

Sarcasm. Real sarcasm.

BTW, I’m warming to the possibility that warming temperatures are killing the spread. Lord, help us if we repeat the same mistakes in the Fall, especially with regards to nursing homes.
Chicago says:

May 27, 2020 at 10:31 pm

Shocking the admin fcucked the board for day.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 27, 2020 at 11:30 pm

Bailout…

“Gov. Cuomo Has ‘Good Conversation’ With Trump Over Federal Aid
Democratic governor blasts Republicans in U.S. Senate for withholding relief money”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/gov-cuomo-has-good-conversation-with-trump-over-federal-aid-11590614065
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 27, 2020 at 11:31 pm

Fools are calling for the end of nj….bigger fools are calling for the end of nyc.

Go Wayne!
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 27, 2020 at 11:37 pm

Best investment is to help these giant economies. It’s common sense. Biggest bang for your buck
Juice box says:

May 28, 2020 at 6:27 am

What a dumpster fire over on REOPEN NJ on FB
grim says:

May 28, 2020 at 6:40 am

Yeah, dropped the ball…
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 6:51 am

Just like some people want to use this crisis to force the green new deal, there is an opportunity force local government reform, And it’s a simple no vote on bailing them out.

A bailout effectively would reward the fiscal mismanagement of officials in states such as Illinois or Connecticut, NY and NJ, simply voting no Or just tabling any legislation for to a bailout until after the election is going to force real reforms.

As Covid19 begins to “wayne” and the battle for bailout only heats up, The tears Of the 20% (government workers) has only just begun.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 7:17 am

Trump is going to use section 230 against Twitter, FB etc. This will drag out in the courts for a long long time.

According to a “leak”

Section 230 doesn’t protect editorial conduct
Twitters labels on tweets regarding falsity = editorial conduct

Therefore, this EO places such platforms outside scope of Sec. 230 protection
This EO prohibits federal spending on advertising or marketing on platforms that violate editorial conduct of Sec. 230

FTC & DOJ will look into deceptive & unfair practices of sites like Twitter and Facebook that act as the “public square” (cites Packingham, Pruneyard)

Countdown until Jack Dorsey locks his accounts? Twitter is down -4.23% in pre-market trading.

Zuckerberg bends the knee.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/facebook-shouldnt-be-the-arbiter-of-truth-zuckerberg-tells-fox-news-2020-05-27?mod=mw_quote_news
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 7:26 am

Back to Real Estate.

Peak Spring selling season around here, and not a single for sale shingle up in our entire development of 150 homes. I see the old timers some who have been here since this neighborhood was built in 1975 walking every day for exercise, a few newer families pushing strollers and the regulars jogging, bike riding and walking dogs.

Seems like nobody is moving anywhere anytime soon.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 7:32 am

Interesting write up in Forbes on H-1B.

Trump won’t suspend H-1B, he will just force H1-B sponsoring companies to pay them the highest wage level to grant the visa.

“A new presidential proclamation may suspend the entry of H-1B and L-1 visa holders, or achieve a similar result by imposing new conditions on their entry. Administration officials have discussed preventing the entry of H-1B visa holders who are not paid at the highest wage level – Level 4 – under the U.S. government’s prevailing wage criteria, even if the individual is applying for their first job. A National Foundation for American Policy analysis concluded such a requirement would become burdensome by creating exceptionally high minimum wages for H-1B visa holders: more than $254,000 a year for a financial manager in New York City”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/05/28/high-skill-immigration-restrictions-expected-soon-from-trump/#43ead1286a89
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 7:57 am

Landscaper is here this morning to finish up some brick paver work left over from some work I had done . Nice guy late 50s been doing it his whole life. He said he has never ever been busier with remodeling back yards, huge money being spent in the bigger fancier homes down here in Monmouth County. He said he plans on buying new equipment with the money as some of his equipment is pretty old etc. I told him to put it into his retirement fund instead, as this is a one time thing once the virus blows over people will be back to the beach clubs and boating, golfing etc after all that is why we live here and that is what we do down here in the summer.
grim says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:17 am

Want my prognostication?

By this time next year, nobody even remembers.

Sure, masks will be more common. There will be more flexibility around work from home arrangements. eCommerce will be more common, because people were forced to do it, and realized they liked it.

However, what people will demand from others as part of their day to day life will drive business life. For example. People won’t accept widespread social distancing at bars and restaurants long term, this is a personal demand for the customer, but it’s a workplace demand as well. As more workplaces shift to be more comfortable with this, it will be more broadly accepted. I want to be shoulder to shoulder in a dance club, a gym, a bar or hot restaurant, but I need to be able to stay home to work to be safe? What sense does that make? This is what I mean by preference in personal life going to drive workplace, business preference. This is by far the major societal driver to watch.

I think the “new normal” concept is being completely blown out of perspective here. Lots of armchair quarterbacks seem to be agreeing in their prediction of the future. That tells me they are probably all wrong.

I also believe the mass fear instilled in society is going to backfire here. I argue that the level of fear was not commensurate with the actual level of risk. So, when we’re out of this, we will have come out on the other side of the greatest pandemic the modern world has ever seen, and really, it wasn’t so bad. It’s the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. Extreme fear will transition to extreme overconfidence. The societal shift above, this is going to be the engine behind it.

My bet is that we return to normal, in a way that’s far more normal than what most other predictions call for. This becomes a point we reminisce about in a few years. Where were you when 9/11 happened. Remember that big blackout? Wow that was something. It took us 5 years to forget about the biggest housing bubble and collapse in American history. There is an overwhelming human desire to return to normal. To deny this is absurd.
30 year realtor says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:23 am

Grim,

Is your prognostication predicated on there not being a significant 2nd wave of COVID-19?
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:27 am

There will be a placebo effect on people’s lives, it’s already planned and may be rolled out right before the election.

Manufacturing is already ramping up for a releases of hundreds of millions of doses of three different vaccines all paid for by the US taxpayer, and that is just here in the US. Similar plans elsewhere around the globe.

You will be told you need the vaccine, be pestered for it at the checkout line at CVS Pharmacy, the doctor’s office, the schools, and vaccination clinics at work but can opt out and well it isn’t always effective just like the other vaccines, it will however generate the placebo effect so life will go on.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:27 am

Grim unmod please.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:29 am

Let’s try posting this again.

There will be a placebo effect on people’s lives, it’s already planned and may be rolled out right before the election.

Manufacturing is already ramping up for a releases of hundreds of millions of do*ses of three different vaccines all paid for by the US taxpayer, and that is just here in the US. Similar plans elsewhere around the globe.

You will be told you need the vac*cine, be pestered for it at the checkout line at CVS Pharmacy, the doctor’s office, the schools, and vac*cinat*ion clinics at work but can opt out and well it isn’t always effective just like the other vac*cin*es, it will however generate the placebo effect so life will go on.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:31 am

Grim,

A bunch of people want to get cute and try to make themselves look savvy by calling for the end of leaving home for work. My advice to them, cute, but you are out of your mind. Use some common sense..
grim says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:37 am

Is your prognostication predicated on there not being a significant 2nd wave of COVID-19?

The one constant with COVID-19 is that experts have been just as wrong as they’ve been right. If the experts were wrong, the media talking heads have no chance at knowing what happens. Yet everyone seems to be so highly confident. As a contrarian, this is a major flag for me.

As time goes on, broader society is developing immunity. This is clear from recent studies. Infection confers immunity. Recent studies are also pointing to far wider rates of infection, with far more asymptomatic infections. At what point does broader societal immunity impact the potential for additional flare ups? The likelihood of new cases falling to zero seems fairly low here in the US. It’s more likely we hit some low baseline of new cases and sustain that for a protracted period of time. In my eyes, this would be the ideal case until a vaccine is developed.

Recent vaccine studies are hugely positive. The rapid development of the sars-cov-2 vaccine will be one of the greatest medical achievements in human history. This is the equivalent of the world coming together to put a man on Mars.

We now know how to better protect the most vulnerable members of society. Elderly and co-morbidities will need to be protected, period. For NJ, going forward, this means any deaths as a result of a future 2nd wave will be effectively cut in half.

Jury still out on the new drug treatments, but if any of these play out, along with improvements in handling covid-19 hospitalization, these make it far easier to manage new cases with positive outcomes. The world medical community has learned a tremendous amount in how to manage these cases, in a few months this will become more concrete as studies are released, confirmed, etc.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:39 am

They are a put of the local and national economy just like private businesses. Are private businesses producing perfection? Did they never need a bailout? Why did we give said bailouts? Right, to keep the economy going. So why in the world would you destroy the strongest economies in our country in the name of partisan ideology? Oh no, we can’t bailout local/state govts…we must destroy economies instead. F’ing brilliant, let me tell you. The cost of those bailouts will dwarf the price paid in lost economic growth in the long term, but team red players can’t see or understand this.

Nothing is perfect, that’s why we have bankruptcy in business. It happens. To demand perfection is laughable, especially with how much govt has on its plate.

Juice Box says:
May 28, 2020 at 6:51 am
Just like some people want to use this crisis to force the green new deal, there is an opportunity force local government reform, And it’s a simple no vote on bailing them out.

A bailout effectively would reward the fiscal mismanagement of officials in states such as Illinois or Connecticut, NY and NJ, simply voting no Or just tabling any legislation for to a bailout until after the election is going to force real reforms.
grim says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:48 am

One other major, major, major factor.

Recent studies indicate a major transmission vector was asymptomatic medical providers.

While it’s good information, it’s terrible information. It’s likely that contact with Doctors and Nurses was a major way sars-cov-2 spread. Read that 10 times over until you understand how insidious this transmission vector was.

That said, and as terrible as it is to say that, it means that these medical providers are now all immune. So we’ve significantly reduced one of the single major transmission vectors.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:48 am

Pumps – For people to go back to work full time in the prototypical office building the bosses will need to be brave first, and go back first and ride the subways and buses first and eat from the company buffet first.

Gonna be fun watching them squirm as I sneeze and cough right before they ladle up some company subsidized chili slop dished out into into the cafeteria by some third party 3rd world unvaccinated kitchen worker.

..nothing more satisfying than ladling bowls of delicious homemade chili
FakeNewsHoaxes says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:52 am

Lol. Nj fake news is begging conservatives to subscribe. They spent 3-4 years constantly publishing fake news, have yet to come clean on the Russia hoax or call it what it was, a coup attempt, and they want to be take seriously as a news organization.

And I’m surprised that twitter fvcked up. I’ve heard Dorsey on the rogan podcast and he seemed to imply they would stay out of the trump political fray. I guess the looney left took action. You know what they say, get woke go broke.

This is what they meant by the new normal. Mass censorship, arbitrary curbs on individual liberty under the guise of public health.
Yo! says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:54 am

Wow big win for recent buyer of the Toys R Us building. Just hired a leasing broker a few weeks ago. Let’s see if they flip the building and keep the rest of the land for a development try.

I wonder if Gentinge considered Jersey City where there is tons of newer, vacant office space.
3b says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:58 am

Grim I agree with you on the bars and restaurants, the young people especially want to get back out and socialize in bars and restaurants. As for the older people I know we have missed a lot of concerts and festivals this year, and would want to get back out when these come back. Missing my bar bands too.

As for WFH contrary to what the resident moron here says, WFH is here to stay, we had another town hall meeting yesterday, and it will be a huge part of the new normal. To quote the real estate savings are compelling, the work can be done remotely for the most part, and employees want it once schools open and we return to some normalcy. I can’t get into any more details, but if it is happening in my industry which was the most resistant to work from home, it will happen across all corporate/office industries.
FakeNewsHoaxes says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:59 am

Let’s also not forget the green new deal and UBI as part of the push for a new normal. Your landscaper starts a lawnmower and some green commie reports them to the google gates tracking police.
30 year realtor says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:00 am

Grim,

Always appreciate your rational explanations. From my viewpoint there is too much conflicting information going around to be certain about anything. The public is behaving as though COVID-19 is a thing of the past and people are letting their guard down. If there is a 2nd wave COVID-19 it is going to be a big one.

NYT article this morning indicates that the world is nowhere close to achieving herd immunity. New York City is estimated to be the furthest along in the process with an estimated 20% of people having antibodies. Worldwide estimates have less than 10 percent of the population having antibodies.
Juuice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:01 am

Pumps – How is giving you a pink slip destroying the economy? Cutting back on wasteful government spending is an expense recovery. You are on the expense side of the equation of $7.3 trillion in total government expenditures that cannot be paid for as the income is now not there to pay for it, never mind the unfunded liabilities which dwarf any amount of money printing possible without destroying the country.

There was no bailout for 30+ million souls who are now unemployed. If you think correcting government spending in this economy regardless of politics you really need to step back and check yourself.

We cannot print our way to prosperity, it will only make all of us poor together.
3b says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:03 am

Juice I am of two minds on the bailout. On one hand we send far more money to these red states than we get back. On the other hand we have reckless spending, and corruption across the board. If we are bailed out the money will be just pissed away.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:13 am

3b – re:”the young people especially want to get back out and socialize in bars and restaurants”

Neighbor’s son is a grad of expensive U of Miami was allowed to have a back yard party last week at parents home, about 20 or so 20 somethings. I sat there in my WT hot tub watching them, seemed to be allot of anxiety as they are all barely working and loaded up with massive debt, and now covid19 has destroyed their social lives.

FYI dad was laid off too and is retiring at 59 with no heath-care unless he pays for it. He is waiting for Cobra to run out and will get some for of heathcare for a few years.
I expect that home to be sold soon and mom and dad to head off to Florida by next spring.
3b says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:19 am

Juice I feel bad for the young people between the financial crisis and now the pandemic they have been screwed. And the parents who loaded them down with college debt screwed then too. Typical NJ in some ways, brag about our schools and how they are worth the money then send them off to school in Florida of all places. But that is another topic. At 59 unfortunately it’s over for your neighbor job wise. Selling the house makes sense. Enjoy your WT hot tub!
FakeNewsHoaxes says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:19 am

The “we send far more money to these red states” argument is arbitrary. Like the state complaining about the salt cap when it has its own. So nj pols are fine with their redistribution policies but object to them by the feds? Can we apply this logic down the county/municipal level and ask Trenton for some money back?
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:20 am

Yes, you reduce your real estate cost, but destroy the long term growth of your company. Your competition that maintains face to face work environment will put you into the ground long term. WFH workers will get depressed, they will lose their creativity, and lose their connection to their company and co workers.

You think you can build a better team remotely as opposed to in person? You just like to bust my balls, you can’t really believe the stuff you spew. You really think the majority of companies will get rid of physical presence and have their employees all working from home? My god, could you imagine how difficult it is to manage that process? How does a company make quick changes to its vision with a remote work force? How do you increase company culture and team mindset with remote workforce?

The only time you will have ever seen your co workers is through a screen? Managers will be able to manage people they have never met before? Could you see how fast this can destroy a good company? Wait till the workers figure out how to cut corners and do the least amount of work possible. How bout espionage. How do you stop it with everyone working remotely?

I just don’t agree…

“ To quote the real estate savings are compelling, the work can be done remotely for the most part, and employees want it once schools open and we return to some normalcy.”
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:20 am

3b – Even well-prepared states are going to be totally outmatched by the size of the downturns we’re about to see.

Spending must be cut, it’s unavoidable. Giving State Senator Sweeney a $500 Billion dollar loan to fund just the pensions isn’t tenable.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:28 am

Speaking of the “mail in ballot” truthiness battle in the media.

I remember this guy, he was using the old fashioned Hudson county way of winning elections, vote by mail fraud.

They finally pinched him and he will be going to jail this year.

https://hudsonreporter.com/2019/12/05/doing-time/
3b says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:30 am

Juice I agree and for states like NY and NJ now is the time for at least some restructuring/ changes. Giving NJ money is like feeding an addict. If it is given there needs to be oversight from an outside entity to determine where and how the money is spent, with every dime accounted for. Simply bailing out the pensions is not fair to the taxpayers of NJ.
Fat Fast Eddie says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:39 am

Grim,

Excellent posts this morning!
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:44 am

If NY and NJ cut off govt spending to levels in the south, the economy would fall apart at the state level and national level. If it won’t, please explain why it won’t. You are taking a bat to the economy if you cut off govt spending. Who is going to cover the spending that the govt abandoned? If you are calling it “savings,” where is this savings coming from? It’s coming directly from spending in the economy that won’t be replaced. Brilliant.

For example, just erase the pension debt. Gone. Guess what else you just did, took a bat to future spending by consumers. What do you think they do with the pension money…save it? It’s getting spent, or their children will spend it for them. It’s not stuck in their pockets. Same with govt employees, they are spending the money. So tell me how this has no impact on the economy? And would about pension money driving investments? No impact?

Juuice Box says:
May 28, 2020 at 9:01 am
Pumps – How is giving you a pink slip destroying the economy? Cutting back on wasteful government spending is an expense recovery. You are on the expense side of the equation of $7.3 trillion in total government expenditures that cannot be paid for as the income is now not there to pay for it, never mind the unfunded liabilities which dwarf any amount of money printing possible without destroying the country.
Yo! says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:46 am

When nj.com eliminated the hilarious reader comments section I emailed the editor telling him it was a dumb move. He responded the comments were racist and sexist and nj.com could manage them, so they shut it down.

Lame for editor to say his most engaged readers are racist and sexist and rather than moderating the comment section they just shut it down. Meanwhile NYT, WSJ, Facebook, Twitter – nj.com’s competition – have figured out how to moderate huge volumes of comments. The articles with the most comments were on Rutgers Football and these comments were not problematic at all.

Today same editor is out with piece admitting nj.com is lefty biased and yet Murphy still refuses to talk to them.

Meanwhile the Newark columnist Barry Carter who is awesome is leaving.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:53 am

Life is not fair. If it was, we would all start from the same starting line at birth. It’s how the system works…

“Simply bailing out the pensions is not fair to the taxpayers of NJ.”
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:56 am

Pumps – What kind of straw man are you trying to build today?

The spending you speak of “government spending” or “government employee spending” only occurs do to tax receipts.

Unemployed taxpayers now officially 15.3% in NJ aren’t paying state income taxes and aren’t driving and paying gas taxes, aren’t spending sales taxes as much and well may not even be paying their mortgages.

We need to reduce that expense commensurate with the loss in tax receipts, we cannot run deficits and borrow to pay for this year alone to tunes of $20 Billion, that won’t do jack for the million unemployed. What about next year? Crap those Million are still unemployed and we cannot tax them as you cannot get blood from a stone!

The end is nigh….
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:58 am

Yo! – moderating the comment section.

Can be done for cents on the dollar too, manually in the third world or a little more with some algos.
FakeNewsHoaxes says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:02 am

Murphy was butt hurt over the Brennan coverage, which was half assed to say the least. Murphy hires an accused rapist, accused by his own campaign staffer, and no one was ever held accountable in the age of metoo. Nj fake news never even uncovered who authorized the hiring.

Murphy’s entire staff showed up to the hearings, lied and covered for them but fake news was not willing To say it.

The knowledge of the accusation was far more widespread and earlier than was admitted publicly in the hearings. That was documented. We also never fully established whether their was political interference in the investigation.

What a joke and sham that news outfit is.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:02 am

Speaking of office Chilli.

“Everybody is going to get to know each other in the pot”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcYG-5b7448
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:05 am

re: “we would all start from the same starting line at birth”

So says Nana’s favorite grandchild, she could have made at least $30k or was it $50k on her POS in Clifton.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:08 am

Rutroh.

“The New Jersey Lottery is expected to come up about $115 million short in its $1 billion annual contribution to the public worker pension fund as the pandemic slows ticket sales, a treasury official said Wednesday.

The coronavirus and stay-at-home orders have led to a big drop in lottery ticket sales, which are down 13.3% in the first 10 months of the fiscal year, making the lottery unlikely to muster enough cash to make its full $1 billion contribution.”
leftwing says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:28 am

Grim, 8:17a, totally agree. The new normal will look a lot like the old normal, especially for longer term. Also agree the risks/results nowhere matched the fear mongered.

Near term before the public moves C19 into the “completed” file? That fear effect and the shutdowns will play directly into the 2020 elections. People are already test driving blame. Cuomo rolled out about a week ago that his miss of the virus ravaging nursing homes (100% regulated by States) was not his fault but because he followed CDC advice. He’s pivoted so hard on C19 this week alone that if his opinion were a car the combined brake slam and 180 turn would have him flying off the road in a football spiral. Look for our Governor Inept Fcuktard to do the same. And obviously for it to bleed out to the national level.
Phoenix says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:34 am

NJ lottery will just make it 13.3% harder to win in order to increase it’s profits. Boomers are the biggest buyers of these tickets and many have died off now. That money should never have been earmarked for NJ pension plans.
D-FENS says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:36 am

While we weren’t paying attention:

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/05/27/toll-increases-expected-to-be-approved-for-n-j-turnpike-garden-state-parkway/
Libturd says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:36 am

You all saw the 37% toll increases on the turnpike and the 25% increase on the GSP? This happened after the fiscal crisis too. Most private sector salary increases were more than eaten up by increases to keep the public sector increases coming in. This was the time Montclair removed the sewer tax from the local tax (which is now up to $850) on my multi. Expect gas taxes and NJ Transit to have similar tax increases. In other news, Gator’s furloughs this year (two weeks per quarter), even after unemployment, will still amount to a 15% salary cut. Good days ahead.

I am looking forward to our school union who will ensure that the 60 year old kindergarten teacher, who hasn’t figured out the internet yet and collects a 120K a year salary is kept on the payroll, and instead three 40K per year nontenured teachers are cut. Meanwhile, to open in the Fall, the schools are supposed to operate with less crowded classrooms. Good luck with that NJEA.

Grim, you are 100% correct with your prognostications. In two years, this will be less memorable than 911. As for the anti-vaccine movement? If there is a second wave in the Fall, lots of idiot sheep Republicans who are inanely equating liberty with not getting vaccinated, will change their mind like the weather. A few especially stupid wonks will hold out, but that won’t matter. Their Red Dawnesque fantasies will disappear with the November elections.

In other cost savings, I just resealed my driveway. $120 in materials. Would have easily been a $1,000 job. Since my driveway is easily 80 feet long. Probably took me 6 hours from power washing to finish. The last 3 hours were grueling though as my back was just not ready for the job.
Phoenix says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:48 am

Crisis. HaaaHa. What a laugh. NJ can punt it’s debt farther than Ray Guy could punt a football. Just dump the debt on the youth so Pumpy can profit.
These greedy cretins never stop do they.

https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/05/new-jersey-must-borrow-money-to-get-out-of-our-10b-crisis-assembly-speaker.html
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:49 am

Lib – I pay $220 for a reseal down here. You get ripped off living in that town left and right.

Come to the dark side…..
D-FENS says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:52 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fniJWbjvxQA

The Governor’s responsibility is to maintain a Free society first and foremost…not a safe society.
3b says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:55 am

Phoenix: Exactly. Could not have said it better!
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:55 am

So summer camps will be open at the end of June? So I did not lost the $9k I paid so far in tuition, because that place would be bankrupt for sure if it did not open.
leftwing says:

May 28, 2020 at 11:01 am

COVID thought of the day: “Asymptomatic Patients”.

Nice Orwellian speak for someone infected but not impacted. In other words they have never been a patient at all.

“Asymptomatic Patient” sounds so much more serious. Spooky even. Most informed opinion presently puts that number at 40-50% of the population.

Can we stop this smokescreen and simply state the obvious? Which in fact is very positive…

This virus has ZERO effect on nearly half our population it contacts. NADA. Straight through their system like a bad taco. And with fewer effects. UNAFFECTED.

Add those actual patients who contract C19 and recover (full extent of immunity not yet scientifically determined) to the unaffected and you have well over half of the US population whose bodies treat C19 the same as the bacteria on a sink sponge. Unaffected.
Nomad says:

May 28, 2020 at 11:06 am

Grim,

Enjoyed your post this morning. Are your comments based on therapeutics or a vaccine being available? If we had not shut things down, where do you think we would be today in terms of total deaths and do you think had we not shut down, the general public would have been any more intimidated and fearful of human interaction and to some degree, engaged in social distancing on their own?
Nomad says:

May 28, 2020 at 11:08 am

30 year, plan is to buy a SFH out of state. Thoughts on how to interview a realtor? Questions to ask to directly or indirectly to evaluate their abilities or lack thereof? Would a behavioral interview even be useful in this situation?
D-FENS says:

May 28, 2020 at 11:12 am

People from NY area and Bergen county are moving westward…perhaps not permanently though. Any house rental has multiple offers.
Libturd says:

May 28, 2020 at 11:23 am

Nomad,

The real answer is, who knows?

You need to separate the blue and red team narratives from the truth. Both teams have fukced this up pretty royally, but you need to play less Monday morning quarterback and need to think about what decisions were made based on the best knowledge at the time. Certainly, both teams are trying to capitalize on the crisis as it will certainly have a huge impact on voter’s minds come November.

My opinion in short? Both sides could have done a much better job even now, but politics continue to get in the way.
Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

May 28, 2020 at 11:25 am

I can’t say with certainty whether I had it but I highly suspect it. I’m going to take the antibody test soon. But if what my wife and I had in mid Feb was the Coronavirus…all it did was make me not eat for 3 days. I had a fever. I still went about my full day of work no problem. My wife, the same thing. Although, she tried to go for a jog 2 days after we thought it was done and couldn’t breath about 15 seconds into it. Kids never got sick.
homeboken says:

May 28, 2020 at 11:48 am

3b says:
May 28, 2020 at 9:03 am
Juice I am of two minds on the bailout. On one hand we send far more money to these red states than we get back. On the other hand we have reckless spending, and corruption across the board. If we are bailed out the money will be just pissed away.

I never really understood this argument. I pay a federal income tax, just like every other citizen, at least in theory, is supposed to pay. The Federal government controls and distribute those funds via the legislature (House). What does the phrase “we send more money to the blue states than we get back” even mean?
Are you talking about gross dollars, per capita $, what?

Is your issue with the federal tax expense or with the federal expenditures?

If you are arguing for the elimination of a Federal income tax, in favor of a state income tax alone, OK. But do you honestly think NJ would balance the budget if every $ that is currently paid to D.C. was instead sent to Trenton? I do not.
FakeNewsHoaxes says:

May 28, 2020 at 11:55 am

If we had followed the data and did not resort to panic and mass hysteria we could have crafted a targeted response.

We knew from the German and Italian data that the death rate was in th flu range. We knew this would largely be a problem for the old/infirm.

Panicked politicians spent weeks summoning large material requests that accomplished nothing. Fake news was forecasting apocalyptic body counts.

That was the big opportunity that was missed. They should have spent that time implementing protocols to protect the vulnerable.
Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

May 28, 2020 at 12:03 pm

They still haven’t figured out wtf to do. Instead, they opened public parks and closed down bathrooms. Now you can’t sh1t or p1ss right? And you sure as hell can’t wash your hands because you know…science!
Fat Fast Eddie says:

May 28, 2020 at 12:10 pm

Fake news was forecasting apocalyptic body counts.

A subconscious attempt to oust Trump when all else has failed.

Remember, never let a serious crisis go to waste.
ExEssex says:

May 28, 2020 at 12:29 pm

11:25 same here but more serious. Fevers to 104 … lost weight … no food for a few days plus. Lungs toast but much better 2 weeks later. Wife tested negative in antibody test (20% margin of error) so at this point who can really say. It was on par with pneumonia which can kill.
3b says:

May 28, 2020 at 12:30 pm

Lib: Well said as always!
ExEssex says:

May 28, 2020 at 12:31 pm

12:10 anyone still rooting for Donny just hasn’t been paying attention.
Not a big surprise really. Many of his fans are mentally challenged.

I think the gold luster has worn off that toilet bowl.
Nomad says:

May 28, 2020 at 12:33 pm

Spot on Lib. Politicians rely on emotion and whipping the peeps up into a frenzy. It would be a relief for once to hear someone stand up, talk about the big challenges and tough decisions and sacrifice that really need to be made. A direct conversation on all the issues of the day and the necessary steps to remedy them would be a welcome relief. For the most part, no one wants to do the heavy lifting. DT is simply the result of many throwing up their hands saying WTF, can’t get any worse so I will give him a try.

Mikie Sherrill, NJ-11 finally got $90mm released for the portal bridge project. Like her or not, no drama (Naval Aviator, ice water in veins) and at town halls, wants input from all sides. She may not agree, but she gives respect and a voice to all who attend.
ExEssex says:

May 28, 2020 at 12:35 pm

And now the POTUS – who mind you didn’t even win the popular vote decides to “Tweet” more garbage.

President Trump has retweeted a video where a supporter declares “the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat” — and the man’s explanation behind the comment is even more violent.

I’m sure this will shore up support with his base. Morons.
3b says:

May 28, 2020 at 12:36 pm

Home My issue is we send more we should get more of it back. I understand someone in Kentucky making the same salary is paying the same Federal rate, but that does not change the fact that the distribution of those Federal tax dollars is not fair. But as I said NY and NJ will piss it away!
Libturd says:

May 28, 2020 at 12:44 pm

“Fake news was forecasting apocalyptic body counts.”

You are correct. On April 10th, with 18K dead, the orange moron said, ““Hard to believe that if you had 60,000 — you could never be happy, but that’s a lot fewer than we were originally told and thinking. So they said between 100- and 220,000 lives on the minimum side, and then up to 2.2 million lives if we didn’t do anything. But it showed a just tremendous resolve by the people of this country. So we’ll see what it ends up being, but it looks like we’re headed to a number substantially below the 100,000.”

“And we did the right thing, because maybe it would have been 2 million people died instead of whatever that final number will be, which could be 60 (thousand), could be 70 (thousand), could be 75 (thousand), could be 55 (thousand).””

Of course, there was the empty promise of over by Easter, and the bleach sarcasm.

Stop being such an obviously biased political tool.
Libturd, the Master Beta says:

May 28, 2020 at 12:58 pm

3b,

I really don’t fret much over the blue state give more, red state receive more BS. I’ve been to a lot of these red states that receive more. Just write it off the same way wealthy towns in NJ pay for projects in the cities to get around Mt. Laurel rules. I once drove from Nashville to Memphis and then down to Tunica. It was an absolutely fantastic road trip for the family between, great BBQ, the MLK museum (across the street from Central), Graceland, the Grand Ole Opry, Sun Studio, Goo Goo store, did the 4th of July on Beale Street, etc. But once you leave these metros, it’s poor as sh1t. lots of abandoned homes, empty strip malls, dollar stores and consignment shops for as far as the eye can see. My dad lived in Jackson MS for a while when I was a kid. Jackson was Princeton, compared to the average town in much of Tennessee or Mississippi. They don’t squander those dollars. They really need every dollar they get. Man do I miss those catfish joints.
hobojoe says:

May 28, 2020 at 1:01 pm

Juice Box says:
May 28, 2020 at 9:28 am
I remember this guy, he was using the old fashioned Hudson county way of winning elections, vote by mail fraud.

They finally pinched him and he will be going to jail this year.

Actually – you already missed it. He served a small part of his sentence, got released early because of the “extreme danger posed by Covid-19 in the prisons”, and is/was supposed to serve the rest of his sentence in home isolation. So basically, for his convicted role in widespread VBM fraud, he was sentenced to the same home isolation that the Governor sentenced the rest of us to back in March.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 1:17 pm

hobojoe – yeah just found the update, so he did serve time in the Federal Pen. That is ok by me he served at least part of a a 90-day sentence.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 1:22 pm

More crumbs folks.

Changes to PPP that include extending the period for using loans to 24 weeks. It also would let borrowers spend just 60%, rather than 75%, of their loan proceeds on paying workers and still be eligible for loan forgiveness.

The Paycheck Protection Program Flexibility Act — rolled out by Democratic Rep. Dean Phillips of Minnesota, and Republican Rep. Chip Roy of Texas — was considered Thursday under a suspension of House rules, a move usually taken for non-controversial legislation but which requires a two-thirds majority for passage, instead of a simple majority. It passed in a 417-1 vote.
3b says:

May 28, 2020 at 1:35 pm

Lib Fair point on the money, but it will continue to be and grow as an issue going forward. I am familiar with the areas in the south you mention. I used to have clients the Memphis/Mississippi area, and even if the wealth and there is more wealth there can people might suspect, there is also abject poverty. Fridges on the front porch and all. However, that being said , I have seen the same in rural Vermont, and upstate NY, and up in the Ringwood area here in NJ.
zapaza19 says:

May 28, 2020 at 1:36 pm

One thing that bugs me about these commenters stating that Red states suck blood from the Blues,and I’ll reference it in NJ terms:

What services do Hunterdon, Somerset, Sussex, et al Red counties get returned from the monies they send to Trenton? If you look at the redistribution of Tax dollars in NJ, where are the Red county dollars going?

For one, Abbott districts. Got any in Hunterdon, Somerset, Morris, Sussex? OMG, you have one in Warren – Pburg. A shthole for sure.

Pre-school funding? Doggon Pburg only one again. Bus routes, wherever they exist in these counties, are funded at the County level.

And the list goes on and on. Now can anyone name what funding these counties get that the Blue counties don’t? Sorry, land tax abatements don’t count. There present for a reason – so that the entire state doesn’t get paved over. And that abatement is only for the land, if it’s over 5 acres. The house on the property still gets taxed the full monty.

Besides, the state approved many tax abatements for residences in the Blues. Think of Corzine and Jersey City.
zapaza19 says:

May 28, 2020 at 1:41 pm

oops. Here’s a NYT and CNN style correction. The Corzine residence was in Hoboken.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Hl17n482_KQC&pg=PA151&lpg=PA151&dq=jersey+city+jon+corzine+tax+abatement+condominium&source=bl&ots=lSYNNnCoLh&sig=ACfU3U1Q0DVxmKEgPU08ydMlqNditU1CQg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjLz5uDjdfpAhWXkHIEHQfvCcIQ6AEwAHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=jersey city jon corzine tax abatement condominium&f=false
chicagofinance says:

May 28, 2020 at 1:45 pm

“If you’re at home on a Wednesday night in Minneapolis, you ain’t black!” Joe Biden
FakeNewsHoaxes says:

May 28, 2020 at 1:45 pm

what’s your point? He underestimated the body count? We’ll see what the number is when truth is separated from sensationalism but I think ultimately he kept his head better than most.

There have been insane power grabs and other absurdities. I recall people predicting widespread food shortages and other nonsense not that long ago…
chicagofinance says:

May 28, 2020 at 1:54 pm

People have incremental thinking. They don’t consider broad implications. Everything is relative…… I was here, now I am there…. not unlike being provincial.

FakeNewsHoaxes says:
May 28, 2020 at 9:19 am
The “we send far more money to these red states” argument is arbitrary. Like the state complaining about the salt cap when it has its own. So nj pols are fine with their redistribution policies but object to them by the feds? Can we apply this logic down the county/municipal level and ask Trenton for some money back?
chicagofinance says:

May 28, 2020 at 1:56 pm

Hey let’s go to Target….. I need a new belt….
https://twitter.com/HotepAlbania/status/1265851248940646400?s=20
JCer says:

May 28, 2020 at 1:57 pm

Yes the progressive paradise known as NJ is inherently hard on those of us who are better off. We get hit hard with income tax and then with property tax as the state dollars don’t flow to wealthy suburbs and we have no commercial ratables of any note. Essex county in particular also gets hit with egregious county taxes that are spent in Newark, East Orange, Orange, Irvington, etc. or on other political projects. Don’t even get me started on the public transit because it doesn’t operate well and it is a great source of stress for working professionals in NNJ in addition to not having pretty high fares to boot.
homeboken says:

May 28, 2020 at 1:58 pm

The NJ public employee pension system bailout is unpopular among the private sector and always will be. It’s hard to argue the “for the children” angle when the recipients of the bailout are retired teachers hanging out in deaths waiting room Florida.

I would 100% vote for raises and reduced benefit costs for any school employee that has direct student contact for at least 2 days per week. Bailing out an army of double-dipping administrators that have ZERO influence of the quality of education is a losing proposition.
Yo! says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:00 pm

Funny Frank Raia story is when his people masqueraded as tenant activists went into projects and gave people “Question 2 VOTE NO” t-shirts. They campaigned around town telling people to vote no to support tenants – unaware the NO vote was actually pro landlord. Tactic worked and Hoboken votes overwhelmingly pro landlord..
leftwing says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:05 pm

“I understand someone in Kentucky making the same salary is paying the same Federal rate, but that does not change the fact that the distribution of those Federal tax dollars is not fair.”

No.

“I really don’t fret much over the blue state give more, red state receive more BS. I’ve been to a lot of these red states that receive more. Just write it off the same way wealthy towns in NJ pay for projects in the cities… ”

Yes.

The Red State v Blue State divide does not exist. States do not pay any taxes to the Federal government. Citizens do.

A Red State (KY) worker banging down $500k AGI has the exact same federal tax obligation as a Blue State (NJ) worker banging down $500k AGI.

And each of them is equally supporting the indigent person, be that person in KY or Camden County.

Comparing the aggregate taxes paid by the citizens of one state vs. the aggregate taxes paid by the citizens of another state is as senseless as comparing the aggregate taxes paid by the residents of Alpine vs. the residents of Paterson. Neither Alpine nor Paterson pays taxes to the Feds. And of course Alpine residents are going to pay more (they are wealthy) and Paterson residents are going to receive more (they are poorer).

Senseless debate…unless you are arguing we should ditch our progressive tax system whereby wealthy taxpayers, where ever located, will always pay more than poor taxpayers, where ever located. That will rectify the perceived “disparity”.

If you do wish to debate the validity of a progressive tax system put it out there. I’m all ears and on board.
ExEssex says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:08 pm

Nowhere Road: https://youtu.be/SAho7YBvitc
homeboken says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:09 pm

Leftwing – You made my argument in a much more eloquent way than I was trying to do.

Cosign the whole post.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:11 pm

Chi is you scroll down that collage of videos there is one of the wheelchair woman walking…
chicagofinance says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:25 pm

Early pre-cursor to the now well known Trump Rally.
https://youtu.be/6lTnnu3XLFk?t=500
JCer says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:26 pm

Chi, don’t get me started. The whole stupid Canadian lady in central park, gets me. The liberals talking about white women oppressing the black man. What I see out of this is a women who acted in a racist way in a bad moment who is paying a disproportionate penalty for her transgression(apparently before he started recording there was a threat). Seriously the lady lost her job, and the dog too, I suspect going forward this will define her and has pretty much ruined her life in the short term. the assumption from the liberal media is if he hadn’t taped it he would have been a victim which I don’t see as the outcome in NYC. Realistically I see the police getting involved in the situation and her walking away with a citation for taking her dog off the leash. It’s a pendulum swinging the wrong way as now with limited information a person’s life is being ruined.

Now the whole Minnesota riot thing is another issue entirely. I’ll say this too the Gym guy in the video being accused of being racist is wrong, I’m sorry who is looting and destroying things all over your city, if I lived in mn I’d be on high alert just because the people are black you cannot question whether or not they have a right to use the facilities? I personally know people who’s families lost their entire family fortune’s during the 1960’s riots when their businesses were burned. The riots destroyed once great cities and did literally nothing to advance civil rights, they only heaped misery on the working class and rich alike. Or the LA riots where a bunch of Korean store owners lost their livelihoods and now the urban poor complain there are no businesses in their neighborhoods. If you want justice and you want to advance your cause you should act in a legal matter hurting unrelated people and businesses does nothing to further your agenda.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:32 pm

Those looters had no imagination last night. Dollar Tree?

You are going to risk jail to steal from a dollar store? A quick map search shows a bank branch up the street.
JCer says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:36 pm

Looting dollartree! what did they make out with $11 worth of merchandise? Most of those stores looked looted before the looters came. Quick get as much off brand windex as you can carry, what morons.
chicagofinance says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:40 pm

The one I didn’t recall…..
“Patty cake, patty cake, baker’s man. If your chick’s on her period, fcuk her in the can.”

chicagofinance says:
May 28, 2020 at 2:25 pm
Early pre-cursor to the now well known Trump Rally.
https://youtu.be/6lTnnu3XLFk?t=500
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:43 pm

Jcer – re: Canadian lady vs dog hating bird lover.

“Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.”

Sorry but if anyone said that to me in NYC for any reason anywhere, there would be cause for alarm. My reaction might have included some foul language but since she was a Canadian lady she felt the need to be PC while trying to get the police to show up. I would love to hear the actually 911 call, when will it be released?
LurksMcGee says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:44 pm

The looters are just opportunists. They’re not trying to accomplish anything besides a self-serving attitude.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:44 pm

In terms of infrastructure support….Why do we get almost nothing, that’s why people are pissed. That’s what is unfair. Why do we have to raise state taxes to pay for most infrastructure in blue states while red states get it paid by the feds? How much money have they received in natural disaster bail outs over the decades? How much has the northeast received in natural disaster bailouts?

I don’t understand why you ignore this. They take so much money from blue states, but the minute the blue states ask for some help, get shot down.

“ Comparing the aggregate taxes paid by the citizens of one state vs. the aggregate taxes paid by the citizens of another state is as senseless as comparing the aggregate taxes paid by the residents of Alpine vs. the residents of Paterson.”
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:49 pm

JCer -The smarter ones wore face masks so they could not be identified easily.

Just what is this guy doing with a Target Mannequin anyway? Lonely or something?

https://skugal.org/1-killed-in-minneapolis-as-protests-turn-violent-over-mans-death-in-police-custody/
chicagofinance says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:53 pm

She is MBA Chicago ’09 in Analytic Finance. Basically a PhD track, but you don’t do a thesis. Serious Fama quant sh!t. It is very likely that she is brilliant and socially maladroit. Single 41 high paid executive female in NYC. Single for a reason. It just played out in a catastrophic way for her. Too bad.

I hate DeBlasio’s response. You can tell his agenda is always right there in everything he does, but he just put words to it in a public way.

Juice Box says:
May 28, 2020 at 2:43 pm
Jcer – re: Canadian lady vs dog hating bird lover.

“Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it.”

Sorry but if anyone said that to me in NYC for any reason anywhere, there would be cause for alarm. My reaction might have included some foul language but since she was a Canadian lady she felt the need to be PC while trying to get the police to show up. I would love to hear the actually 911 call, when will it be released?
joyce says:

May 28, 2020 at 2:55 pm

The damage already has been swift and severe: in addition to the horrible public health consequences of COVID-19, the state treasurer projects a revenue shortfall of $10.1 billion through next June…
https://www.nj.com/opinion/2020/05/new-jersey-must-borrow-money-to-get-out-of-our-10b-crisis-assembly-speaker.html

Of the several articles I’ve read about the upcoming budget shortfalls, only one articulated that to get to the $10B number… you have to use Murphy’s desired baseline for next year which adds another $4B. So they’re projections (for whatever they’re worth) only show a $6B shortfall.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 28, 2020 at 3:09 pm

Wow, they attacked an old lady in a wheelchair in Minneapolis? Wtf is wrong with people?

“Video captured earlier of the elderly wheelchair-bound woman who was attacked at the Minneapolis Target during the BLM riot. In a later interview, she said she was trying to do her part in stopping the looting. She was beat on the head & sprayed in the face w/a fire extinguisher.”
ExEssex says:

May 28, 2020 at 3:31 pm

2:44 here in CA, I’m some smaller towns .75 of every dollar is going to pensions.
It’s gonna be uuuugly.
30 year realtor says:

May 28, 2020 at 4:14 pm

Nomad,

I have nothing useful to share about interviewing an agent. Has to be chemistry. This isn’t rocket science. All the listings are on the internet. How competent do they really need to be?
Fat F.uck Fast Eddie says:

May 28, 2020 at 4:31 pm

All the listings are on the internet. How competent do they really need to be?

My mantra for 20 years now. ;)
Yo! says:

May 28, 2020 at 4:59 pm

http://tax1.co.monmouth.nj.us/cgi-bin/m4.cgi?district=0906&l02=090607302____00009____C1710M

Jersey City condo goes for $1,171 per sf. Closed during Covid darkest days.
Walking says:

May 28, 2020 at 5:11 pm

Nomad having bought houses out of state site unseen, besides the listing on a website don’t fret. it not that complicated. People buy all sorts of investments , mutual funds , bonds , ETFs, stocks and never research what the management team is doing with their money, how accounting is cooking the books, and marketing is skimming money to pay for golf outings and steak dinners. Research your 401k, use Google , Zillow, city forums, bus outlook websites, track traffic conditions, check out hospitals, epa waste sites, food maps,GIS sites. Walk (walking) the neighborhood virtually you will learn a lot
chicagofinance says:

May 28, 2020 at 5:20 pm

Love the discerning buyer…….

Yo! says:
May 28, 2020 at 4:59 pm
http://tax1.co.monmouth.nj.us/cgi-bin/m4.cgi?district=0906&l02=090607302____00009____C1710M

Jersey City condo goes for $1,171 per sf. Closed during Covid darkest days.
Libturd says:

May 28, 2020 at 5:21 pm

Nomad, the problem with Mikie, is that she is for hire. I was so disappointed over her taking Bloomberg’s bribe, which was completely unnecessary.
Phoenix says:

May 28, 2020 at 5:44 pm

Jcer,
As someone who has spent many hours dealing with the authorities and the courts I can say with certainty that you are wrong. And as far as the central park woman is concerned she has not been penalized enough by a long shot. Social media should not had to do the heavy lifting that the court system is supposed to do. She deserves prison time.
Phoenix says:

May 28, 2020 at 5:53 pm

She has a history. Her acting was learned behavior as this was not her first rodeo. https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/ny-amy-cooper-sued-married-ex-lover-before-calling-cops-on-black-man-20200527-2htiizslk5ftrdduca3qemxwpq-story.html
JCer says:

May 28, 2020 at 6:00 pm

chi, that is a crazy sale, I’m not sure who is paying that for a one bedroom. It’s nuts you could buy in Manhattan for that money! I’m not seeing the value and I’m a jersey guy and a jersey city fan but the value proposition is misaligned. I can buy a similar apartment across the river(battery park city) for similar dollars and not have to deal with the ferry or the path.

Phoenix, I’m not sure what you are getting at. Her reaction and invoking race as a threat is an issue for sure but the bird watcher was being an a$$ and did threaten the woman. I’m not sure what your legal argument is for prison time? To Chifi’s point this women probably is on the spectrum based on her academic credentials, age and single status. Seriously how can one not take this line as a threat, “If your going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want and you’re not going to like it”. What kind of f*cker talks to anyone like this?
chicagofinance says:

May 28, 2020 at 6:17 pm

A lot of snowflake types….. it is very common; just not for someone in their late 50’s.

That said, he is an African-American in NYC, and people of a certain ilk have completely weaponized social interactions. It actually sounds like a familiar tone in Facebook postings.

When I was in high school and college, these people completely segregated themselves. In high school they chose to do it for whatever reason, but in college is where everyone was radicalized. However 30 years ago, the administration wasn’t run by people sympathetic to harsh rules of interpersonal engagement.

JCer says:
May 28, 2020 at 6:00 pm
Seriously how can one not take this line as a threat, “If your going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want and you’re not going to like it”. What kind of f*cker talks to anyone like this?
juice box says:

May 28, 2020 at 6:20 pm

Riots are starting again and National Guard called up, Antifa involved too.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 6:41 pm

Starting to sound like a free for all on the Police scanner.
3b says:

May 28, 2020 at 7:27 pm

Yo: That guy from China way over payed. He is an idiot.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 28, 2020 at 7:54 pm

Maybe he knows what he is doing. We will find out.

3b says:
May 28, 2020 at 7:27 pm
Yo: That guy from China way over payed. He is an idiot.
D-FENS says:

May 28, 2020 at 8:20 pm

The looters are ANTIFA, and they’ll pin it on Black Lives Matter.

LurksMcGee says:
May 28, 2020 at 2:44 pm
The looters are just opportunists. They’re not trying to accomplish anything besides a self-serving attitude.
Juice Box says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:08 pm

Getting good now heavily armed black people protecting their businesses, Hells Angels just showed up to help stop looters. Bus loads of National Guard on the way. Agent provocateur Police officer outed by his ex-wife On Twitter After he smashed up a store. Very young children getting arrested, looters of all shapes sizes, genders and colors Making off with some strange loot. Do you really need that air fryer, or those matching pillows? Who wears flip flops and shorts to go loot anyway?
juice box says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:14 pm

I guess we know who won’t be Biden’s running mate now..

https://news.yahoo.com/amy-klobuchar-declined-prosecute-officer-183728902.html
grim says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:19 pm

Another week and 34,000 more NJ residents are unemployed.

Current count – 1,170,000
grim says:

May 28, 2020 at 9:21 pm

102 NJ residents lost their jobs for every COVID-19 death.
D-FENS says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:31 pm

https://twitter.com/bizzy207/status/1266184251638153216?s=21
It’s these white liberals them antifa people escalating the drama burning stuff people catching on to them out there 🤔🤔🤔
Libturd, our of tin foil to make a hat says:

May 28, 2020 at 10:48 pm

It’s always Antifa conveniently.
ExEssex says:

May 28, 2020 at 11:02 pm

I’m not a doctor but I’d say the economy is very sick.
Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

May 28, 2020 at 11:05 pm

Hot take, the dude who filmed it is a Karen as well.
Phoenix says:

May 29, 2020 at 1:55 am

” this women probably is on the spectrum”

Same type of comment every time when women commit crimes.
Does anyone ever think that a woman can just be a nasty criminal?
She did not seem afraid to me, this one was angry-told him first to turn off the camera- it was her ego and the fact that she did not want the video of herself published. She figured she would threaten him into withholding it from social media.
She received everything she deserved, but now law enforcement should do their job and charge her with a crime.
JCer says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:42 am

Phoenix, it doesn’t matter. He pointed out she was violating the leash law, she basically told him to f-off. He proceeded to threaten, harass, and video tape this women, who seems to be totally crazy don’t get me wrong. But he escalated the situation as well, this was clearly an altercation between two unstable people. She violated the leash law and seems to be a terrible person but it could be argued that once the situation escalated the man could have been guilty of Aggravated Harassment under NYS law just because she was violating the law and otherwise a terrible person does not excuse harassment and making threats. It’s not a clear cut situation which is why outside of the leash law violation it’s hard to say there was a law broken, there was a threat so it would not be making a false statement to the police and the threat may not have risen to the level of Aggravated Harassment.

We have rule of law for good reason in this country, it is not the role of private citizens to enforce it, once it went from lady you should put a leash on your dog to something beyond that, the man was not some innocent victim he escalated the situation. If it wasn’t some batch*t crazy Canadian lady he would have gotten knocked the f*ck out. I’m with BRT this is two Karen’s fighting it out. Also if it was a big dude of any race do you think he would have approached it the same way? Or more precisely was the way he approached the situation inherently sexist? But I get it race trumps, if the aggrieved were minority LGBT it would be a different situation all together.

I’m just sick of everything having to be about race. No the police are not just randomly killing black men, in MN they randomly kill lots of people. The cops should be charged for what happened but was it because he was black or just a power tripping POS cop? Most cases of cops shooting black men and have been black men engaged in crime. The elephant in the room is criminals are the biggest killer of young black men, not the police. Why all the focus on limited cases where there is police brutality, why not discuss and address the real problem which is inner-city crime which is predominately black on black rather than chasing what now a days is mostly closeted racism.
D-FENS says:

May 29, 2020 at 3:44 am

Murphy is withholding CARES act money from Republican counties of Warren, Sussex, Hunterdon, and Salem counties.

https://twitter.com/jamesrkerniii/status/1266083735612674050?s=21
D-FENS says:

May 29, 2020 at 3:49 am

There goes that VP slot

George Floyd’s death in police custody is renewing criticism of Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s (D-Minn.) prosecutorial record.

Before she became a senator and a top contender for former Vice President Joe Biden’s vice presidential spot, Klobuchar spent eight years as the Hennepin County attorney, in charge of prosecution for Minneapolis. And while in that position, Klobuchar declined to prosecute multiple police officers cited for excessive force, and did not prosecute the officer who kneeled on Floyd’s neck as he protested, The Guardian reports.
D-FENS says:

May 29, 2020 at 3:54 am

Wow. Victim George Floyd and Police Officer Chauvin worked together at a restaurant near Third Precinct for over 17 years. Worked together for many years. Obviously there’s more to this story than we know

https://twitter.com/thelastrefuge2/status/1266239951449907201?s=21
grim says:

May 29, 2020 at 6:26 am

40 million unemployed apparently makes riots worse…
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 7:19 am

CNN gets arrested while broadcasting this morning at 5 AM!

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1266315061209030658
ExEssex says:

May 29, 2020 at 7:41 am

Police acting like occupation forces.
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 7:43 am

This independent non-commercial channel has some great interviews. People of all colors and kinds at the riots.

Interviews you won’t see on MSM.

https://unicornriot.ninja/live-channel/
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 7:51 am

Target Ad of the future..

Susan had her eyes on them lamps since Presidents Day

https://twitter.com/Getthebagcoach/status/1265841479320289287/photo/1
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 7:52 am

Video of Susan in her short shorts running out of Target with the lamps, you may need to click “view” to watch.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1265845524604674049
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 7:56 am

I would say diversity is working in Minneapolis, as this is the most diverse riot in my lifetime.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:22 am

Jcer nails it in his last post. Love his thought process.

I’ll add… does anyone realize it’s racist to constantly associate racism with everything? That’s the first step to ending that crap in this country, stop bringing it up on a regular basis and trying to paint the picture that everyone is racist. The media cherry picks events and then tries to paint the picture that there is rampant racism.

I experience almost no racism in my life on a daily basis. Only time I come across it is on news and social media. If I never stepped foot outside of my house, and only based what’s happening in society on what I see on the news or social media, I would think we are living in 1960’s Alabama. Pretty pathetic to paint that picture when it’s not true for most Americans.

If the country is so racist, why do they glorify black athletes? How do they love Jordan? He is black, therefore no whites should support him… they are all racist, correct? Most white guys I know love him or Lebron. Racist, huh?
Grim says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:23 am

Unemployed people have more time to loot.
Grim says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:25 am

White guy says he doesn’t see racism.

That’s rich.
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:28 am

More Nazis armed with guns in Michigan rallied yesterday on steps of State Capitol building with a group called ‘Legally Armed in Detroit’ that supports open-carry and gun rights rallied today against the killing of George Floyd.

https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/1266205595398483981/photo/1
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:28 am

Mikie gets it. Exactly what I was saying yesterday in my rebuttal to lefty. Why does the northeast not get money from the feds for infrastructure projects that are the biggest bang for the buck in the nation. Instead, can’t give blue states money because of a false partisan ideology that blue states waste money. Who doesn’t mismanage money? Show me one perfect govt anywhere in this world. Last time I checked, most of these red states are in debt. Last time I checked, most republican Presidents have increased national debt. So enough with the bs partisan nonsense. One in the same..it’s comical that the red team thinks they are better at managing than the blue team. No f’ing difference.

“Ready to hear about funding for the infrastructure project that would get the biggest bang for the buck, put the most people back to work, and be an economic boon to the area of the country hardest hit by COVID-19:

The Gateway Tunnel Project.”
D-FENS says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:34 am

Michael…you are insufferable
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:34 am

Do you really know individuals going out of their way to be racist towards blacks? When was the last time you have personally seen it in your life? Yet the media makes it seem the majority of whites are racist which i don’t agree with.

Maybe I’m blind and naive. I have to check my privilege I guess. I know I grew up in a family where my parents didn’t accept racism. I think that was more the norm than the exception.

Grim says:
May 29, 2020 at 8:25 am
White guy says he doesn’t see racism.

That’s rich.
LurksMcGee says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:37 am

Your views on racism are myopic and honestly a part of the problem. The more people don’t see it, the worse things get.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

“Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims”
3b says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:40 am

Juice: Susan was booking for a big girl!!
LurksMcGee says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:40 am

To add, I don’t even think its inherently people being racist. I think that the fear of another culture (unknown) makes people behave differently. Similar to how you react to your own dog that’s playing vs a neighbor’s dog that plays. People act a bit more fearful and things get crazier than they need to be. The REAL racism still exists but its not in the broad strokes that everyone paints it.
ExEssex says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:43 am

Yeah Maga. Soooooo much wining.
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:43 am

re: “Why does”

Pumps have you ever met a politician that does not have their hand out and does not socialize with the pandering lobbyists and donors of all classes?

When I was a young 20 something I once did work for PAC during the telecom deregulation, you learn allot about how the world really works down in the beltway if you step out of your space and volunteer for a cause any cause that is political in nature. Try it sometime, go raise money for something, then go join a shooting range, heck spend some time travelling the country on a motorcycle, go work in a food kitchen on Thanksgiving in P-TOWN. It’s not too late for you.
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:46 am

3b – Amazon is selling their contact less checkout “Amazon Go” to all retailers. Target could have rung up lots of sales if they had installed it in that Store in Minneapolis.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:51 am

U.S States GDP vs Countries – Top 10 Biggest States by GDP
1. California ($2.97T) – United Kingdom ($2.81T)
2. Texas ($1.78T) – Canada ($1.73T)
3. New York ($1.70T) – Korea ($1.66T)
4. Florida ($1.04T) – Mexico ($1.20T)
5. Illinois ($868B) – Netherlands ($910B)
6. Pennsylvania ($798B) – Saudi Arabia ($770B)
7. Ohio ($680B) – Switzerland ($709B)
8. New Jersey ($634B) – Taiwan Province of China ($603B)
9. Georgia ($595B) – Sweden ($555B)
10. Massachusetts ($577B) – Poland ($550B)
While it’s impressive that these large U.S. states outperform countries in the developed world, what might be even more impressive is how even the smallest U.S. states compare favorably to foreign nations. Montana can be viewed in similar economic terms as Ghana, while Wyoming is most similar in size to Jordan. Even the country’s smallest state in terms of GDP, Vermont ($34B), is still larger than the GDP of Sudan ($33B).
Overall, the U.S. economy is the largest in the world, squashing the size of every other nation on Earth. At the same time, its debt-to-GDP ratio, measuring the size of a country’s debt compared to its GDP, isn’t even in the world’s top 10. This shows a healthy US economy which still rules the world.

https://howmuch.net/articles/comparing-us-states-to-entire-countries-by-gdp-2019
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 8:54 am

What do you know, no correlation between red or blue states. So stop the partisan bs. And as you can see from the previous post, the debt is not an issue on the world stage. So stop fear mongering with debt.

“Top 5 States With the Highest Debt-to-GDP Ratio
1. New York: 23.53%
2. South Carolina: 19.19%
3. Rhode Island: 19.06%
4. Alaska: 18.69%
5. Nevada: 18.59%
Bottom 5 States With the Lowest Debt-to-GDP Ratio
1. Wyoming: 4.6%
2. Wisconsin: 7.12%
3. Idaho: 7.24%
4. North Carolina: 7.35%
5. Utah: 9.13%
There are a few other takeaways from the visualization. The states with the highest output also tend to have the highest state and local debt. States with larger populations tend to have higher aggregate levels of spending and output compared to less populous states. However, there is no clear correlation between state populations and debt-to-GDP ratios. In more than half of states, local government debt is greater than state government debt. As a whole, U.S. states have a combined state and local government debt of $3.1 trillion and gross output of $21 trillion.”

https://howmuch.net/articles/comparing-us-states-to-entire-countries-by-gdp-2019
D-FENS says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:03 am

Murphy Fires Top State Health Official Running Emergency Preparedness Office

https://newjerseyglobe.com/governor/murphy-fires-top-state-health-official-running-emergency-preparedness-office/

Neuwirth faced criticism at the Department of Health for poor attendance at his $127,386-per-year job during the pandemic.

Concurrent with his full-time post as deputy commissioner, Neuwirth also had a job with Margolis Healy & Associates, a national emergency management consulting firm affiliated with the Cozen O’Connor law firm.

The firm, the Globe learned, become overloaded with work during the COVID-19 crisis and required Neuwirth to spend more time on his private sector responsibilities.

The firm’s website lists Neuwirth as a senior associate and says he has been employed there for two years. Personal financial disclosure statements Neuwirth filed with the State Ethics Commission did not reveal his affiliation with Margolis Healy.

According to his financial disclosure, Neuwirth is an owner of Emergency Manager Project LLC, which provides training classes for EMS professionals who are licensed and regulated by the office he ran.
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:05 am

re: “debt is not an issue”

Which debt? The local and state government bonds? The unfunded liabilities? The national debt? The off balance sheet debt? The Social Security IUOs stuffed in a literal locked filing cabinet down in “Bureau of Public Debt” in Parkersburg, W.Va.

https://moneymorning.com/2017/03/31/the-social-security-trust-fund-is-just-a-stack-of-ious-in-a-west-virginia-filing-cabinet/

Everyone talks his own book. Pumps, you have a vested interest in keeping the gravy train going.

I have a vested interest in not paying for it.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:09 am

Ever listen to rap music? Maybe the ghetto culture has something to do with this instead of race. Go listen to six-nine..

Are African Americans racist towards themselves? The majority of african Americans killed by a gun are killed by other African Americans. Is that due to racism too?

But according to you, I’m the problem right? Just because I am white and don’t believe most white people are racist. Got it.

LurksMcGee says:
May 29, 2020 at 8:37 am
Your views on racism are myopic and honestly a part of the problem. The more people don’t see it, the worse things get.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

“Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims”
3b says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:12 am

Juice: she should have picked up some shirts that fit too!!
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:16 am

Lurks – fear of another culture”

On that album Chuck D and the Bomb squad used a E-mu SP-1200 sampler and a Macintosh computer, way ahead of his time, that album could not be made today as the cost to sample would make it prohibitively expensive for any group to make and produce.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:18 am

Show me one govt in the world that is not in debt. They need debt to function. They couldn’t function without it. Govts are not run for profit, they are run for growth. In the business world, think of govts like amazon. Constantly taking on debt to grow the economy.

So again, take away social security, pensions, and all govt spending. Watch the greatest depression you will ever see. I tried to get you to understand this the other day, but you called it a straw man argument which I don’t agree with. Shutting down govt spending will directly destroy your ability to make money whether you realize it or not. So if you want to think I’m talking out of my a$$, so be it, but I’m telling you it’s the truth if you understand how the economy works.

There is a reason that no govt in the world is ever debt free…running a surplus. But I’m just taking out of my a$$, correct?

Juice Box says:
May 29, 2020 at 9:05 am
re: “debt is not an issue”
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:26 am

Pumps – Again you go all in with the straw man. Nobody is saying we should not have debt, nobody is saying take away pensions or social security, or bonds. We are not communists here in this country.

History tells a story over and over again about debt. I am not here however to give you lessons. Just a reminder to be mindful of history as we do not wise to repeat mistakes made in the past.

We really do not want to all be poor together. I will tell you why. Because you don’t have the skills to survive it.
Leftwing says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:31 am

“I guess we know who won’t be Biden’s running mate now.”

Don’t worry he’ll tap one of the “multiples” of black women he’s interviewing lol
ExEssex says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:32 am

It’s only the first inning. Everyone is the sum total of the moves they make.
joyce says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:34 am

JCer

What are the reports saying the man did to threaten/harass prior to the start of the video?
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:41 am

Okay, if we established that debt is a part of the game, can we not worry about “total debt.” It will never be wiped clean. Just have to be able to service it. So even if it gets to a point where we can’t service it, you only need to get back to a point where you can service it. So you really never have to worry about the debt in total. It was never meant to be paid all at once. It has no due date.

I’m not too worried about it. I’m more concerned with keeping the economy growing right now. Consumption took a big hit, it’s now smart for the govt to spray money into the economy to supplement that loss of consumption through infrastructure investment. Why go through major pain if you really don’t have to?
JCer says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:44 am

Lies and statistics. 83 percent of the people shot were armed it tells me what I need to know. In an armed conflict with the police it is a logical conclusion you are going to get shot. Black rates of poverty are greater than whites, there is a legacy of structural racism/broken family structure which leads to higher rates of criminality and incarceration among black Americans. Among issues affecting the black community police brutality and/or racism is way down the list. The broken family/value system is at the top.

So far MN is really doing well, in the last 4 years they’ve shot a motorist who isn’t breaking any laws, a lady who called the cops to report a suspected crime, and now strangled another man who it seems did not break any obvious laws. I think they need to examine what is going on in their pd because their record is bad. Also their pd looks like the United colors of Benetton which is why I question If racial motives are behind this. In general cops are on edge if they think you are a risk.

I’m pretty darn white and when I was 17 I was involved in a road rage incident with my friend and an elderly lady. She called the police and told them we were waving a gun at her, when I tell you 4 state troopers guns drawn, shot guns out, pulled us over ordered us out of the car and on the pavement face first, if we didn’t comply they totally would have shot us regardless of color. In the case of Philando Castile it wasn’t about race just as the case was with Justine Damond it was about fear, the police officers were afraid, this time makes no sense based on what we know at this point. This also tells me something about conditions in Minneapolis if the police force is fearful. It is also why you are more likely to see officers shooting people in urban ghettos, typically because of pervasive gang violence.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:46 am

What type of person starts taking a video in a park over an argument over an unleashed dog? He’s not all there either. They are both wrong and they both fed off each other’s negative energy. This guy ruined someone’s life over a dog leash. That’s a tough pill to swallow. He might not have physically killed her, but no doubt about it, he has killed her life as she knew it, all because he had to post this on social media instead of going to the police. Hope it was worth it.
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:46 am

Pumps – You are gonna love negative rates. You should run out and buy three or four multi investment properties once negative rates hit.

Imagine getting paid interest as an incentive to take out loans!!! The bank will deduct that interest from the loan principal by that amount year!!!

What could go wrong!
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:50 am

Jcer nails it again..
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:52 am

re: “what type of person starts taking a video over an argument”

Where have you been for the last 15 years? Do you still use a flip phone?
3b says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:53 am

Some of the biggest cheerleaders for spending in my town over the years have either left, or are planning to leave. Why? Taxes too high!! Can’t make this shit up!!
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:54 am

Juice,

Negative rates are just forcing people at the top to spend and invest their money. Not like it is meant for us. It’s a product of too much money not being spent or invested. It’s a battle tool against deflation.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:57 am

Juice,

I would never be a loser that starts an argument with someone over a dog in Central Park. I would never resort to filming it because I’m not a loser looking to for clicks on social media.
joyce says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:58 am

Great video. Charges will be dropped, no one held accountable.

But the best part is the reaction from the studio. Oh my god this is an american reporter getting arrested, I’ve never seen anything like this. Where have they been for the last don’t know how many years?

Juice Box says:
May 29, 2020 at 7:19 am
CNN gets arrested while broadcasting this morning at 5 AM!

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1266315061209030658
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 10:02 am

Joyce – he was already set free and broadcasting again probably a higher up in the PD decided not to process him.
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 10:04 am

MLKs dream coming true.

https://twitter.com/40calKing/status/1266367156221960195/photo/1
FakeNewsHoaxes says:

May 29, 2020 at 10:08 am

A 14 year old kid was assassinated around 4PM walking down a street of Harrisburg PA this week. No mention in the national news.
FakeNewsHoaxes says:

May 29, 2020 at 10:15 am

Enough about the pensions. It’s clear what will happen. They’ll be quasi nationalized and everyone in them will be crammed down. You aren’t going o be made hole. All of the entitlement programs are in the same situation. It’s a matter of time.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 10:54 am

This will absolutely destroy the economy. It’s a natural disaster, but not being treated like one. It’s our fault that nj and ny got hit so hard by the virus. If you have the means to address the situation, why wouldn’t you? Why would you just let the economy fall off a cliff if you don’t have to?

“New Jersey may have to cut half the state’s 400,000 public employees if the federal government doesn’t help make up a $10.1 billion revenue shortage through June 2021, Governor Phil Murphy said.

“I don’t think there’s any amount of cuts or any amount of taxes that begins to fill the hole,” Murphy, 62, a retired Goldman Sachs Group Inc. senior director and Democrat who came to office in January 2018, told Bloomberg Television.

Without federal help, he said, state and local governments will have to dismiss firefighters, police, emergency-medical personnel and others. In New York, Governor Andrew Cuomo has made similar comments and calls for aid to fill revenue losses from the novel coronavirus.”

““There’s a certain myth out there: We’re just going to help you all because you hadn’t managed your legacy realities, your outstanding indebtedness or your structural deficits or your pension obligations,” Murphy said in an interview taped for Friday’s edition of “Balance of Power,” airing at noon New York time.

The state, he said, had been doing “just fine” steering toward solid fiscal ground before the virus struck. He had made record pension payments to a chronically underfunded system, and last year had budgeted a $1.1 billion surplus, the most in a decade. He also made the first payment to the state’s rainy-day fund since it was wiped out in the Great Recession. “It’s a long slog, but we were making a lot of progress,” he said.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-28/new-jersey-may-have-to-fire-200-000-state-workers-murphy-says
LurksMcGee says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:00 am

JCer:

While I agree, that if you’re armed there’s a strong chance you get shot. What I’m saying is that if a white cops sees a black suspect with the gun, he’s thinking shoot first as apposed to subdue. That’s why it’s disproportionate.

How does Tamir Rice die as a kid with a toy gun?

Your narrative on institutional racism is exactly why this happens.

The thought process goes:

Black people are disenfranchised. This leads to higher crime. Black people have a higher rate of crime so as a white cops I THINK they’re going to shoot before I THINK a white guy does. Black guy dies. Repeat.

The whole point is that the way black people are treated in almost identical situations. That’s it
Fat Fast Eddie says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:01 am

Without federal help, he said, state and local governments will have to dismiss firefighters, police, emergency-medical personnel and others.

Police, fire, emergency workers need to stay. Let’s see the “others” in that group such as administrators, consultants and other fat, no-show jobs. Those are the ones that can be dismissed without missing a beat.
LurksMcGee says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:15 am

Pumpkin,

As for your other statement, % killed is more likely due to proximity and who people inter-act with. People from Newark kill other people from Newark way more than kill people in Camden. And that also works culturally. White people kill other white people more than the kill any other race.

As for the music, that’s a weird one. That’s like saying videogames are to blame for increased violence. Its not. If anything, all it does is reinforce the intra-culteral killings.

And don’t take my statement so personal. I said that line of thinking you had is the problem. Not you directly. But if there’s something that’s troubling you, feel free to share.
JCer says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:18 am

On the pensions, the prudent course of action is replacement of the defined benefit program with something akin to a 401k or ira going forward and a haircut of existing benefits, pensions cannot pay in full in a zero/negative rate environment.

I’m not sure what to think here pumps is agreeing with me, am I way off here? The positive affirmations of the pumpkin have me doubting my posts…..

On not seeing racism, Pumps you are not looking hard enough here in the North it is different, it is not overt. It is different and DWB(driving while black) is a real thing, black people are way more likely to be pulled over in most NNJ suburbs. It’s not right, but it is typically just an inconvenience. Most suburban cops see a black face and want to immediately confirm it is not someone from Newark or Paterson there to cause trouble(Which happens, just ask the folks living on the border of newark in places like maplewood). I think the difference today is the racism we see is not disabling, the playing field has leveled quite a bit. There are evolutionary reasons for tribalism(which racism is really just a form of). All people are inherently tribal, in a post racial age the lines are drawn on wealth, race wars are so 1960’s.
Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:22 am

I lived in the ghetto of New Brunswick for nearly 10 years. The police in those areas treat everyone like crap, whites and asians included. They are always on edge. They got into it with me on more than one occasion. One time, I was coming out of a building at 3 am because I was collecting data all night. They thought I was robbing it.

Another time, I was riding home at 2 am on my bicycle, again, working all night. I didn’t have it registered with the town and they impounded it. Apparently, that was law there (who knew).

Funny thing was, once I got my gold “family member” PBA card after my father saved an officer’s newborn’s life, it all stopped. The second they asked for my ID and saw the card, they just said, “have a nice day”. Still to this day, if I get pulled over, they don’t even run my license and just send me on my way.

It’s understandable because there are people constantly committing crimes, taunting them, and endangering their lives. That being said, they alienate all the good people in the neighborhood as well. I’ve probably watched 40 or 50 people get arrested from the view of my porch in my time there. Just based on what I saw the hispanics and whites usually gave up right away. And most of the black people did as well. However, those that fought all along the way and constantly resisted to the point that they needed 5 or 6 officers, they were always black. This is just what I saw.

Police in the suburbs, especially the wealthy ones, it’s a cushy job.
LurksMcGee says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:23 am

Correct JCer
homeboken says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:30 am

Let any person that has been on the decision making end of private sector mass layoffs take a look at the state payroll. I could slice 20% off the state employee payroll budget in 1 month with zero loss in quality and quantity of services.

I am not special. Anyone could accomplish that task. I would do it for free. Call it my civic duty to help the financially illiterate.
Phoenix says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:35 am

Pumps,

She deserved what she got. This woman could have picked up her dog and left if she was in so much “fear.” Instead she continued to approach him even when he asked her not to come towards her. It was the woman that was escalating the situation by approaching the man and demanding that he stops filming when he has every legal right to do so. The recording is the evidence. Why ask him to turn off the camera-afraid of what you are doing? Why fear the camera? Worst thing that should be recorded is her having an unleashed dog, right?

She knew exactly what she was doing. She was mad that he recorded her doing something wrong and she was going to make him pay a price for annoying her instead of leaving. She called in an “airstrike.” She could have just left. That is what someone in fear does. They don’t stick around and confront.

“What type of person starts taking a video in a park over an argument over an unleashed dog? He’s not all there either. They are both wrong and they both fed off each other’s negative energy. This guy ruined someone’s life over a dog leash. That’s a tough pill to swallow. He might not have physically killed her, but no doubt about it, he has killed her life as she knew it, all because he had to post this on social media instead of going to the police. Hope it was worth it.”
chicagofinance says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:47 am

Directed at lib or Ex: Do either of you know whether this song is about breasts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBuFyyw7mP8
JCer says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:59 am

Lurks, my point is the shoot first attitude has more to do with the areas(which are predominately black and minority) they are policing than race. The statistics don’t back up bias as not only are these areas predominately minority the police firing the shots in most cases are minorities as well. Race hucksters(there it is I’m saying it) look at the statistics and point to racism. It is more nuanced, it has more to do with elevated criminality, gangs, gang violence, and drugs in majority minority areas than out and out racism. That is why this narrative and the conversation is not a good one. The root issue that negatively impacts all of these people is crime, gangs and violence. Making black folks fear the police is THE problem. Yes we need to prosecute bad cops and get them off the streets but the number isn’t huge. The cops kill a very small number of people, gangs kill way more innocents than the police do.

In the case of Tamir Rice, fear was driving the bus with those officers, (as I stated about my run in with the NJ state troopers if they think you have a gun they better see your HANDS). Same with the shooters of Philando Castille, and Justine Damond. Does race play a role, yes most gangs tend to be black(bloods, crips, etc) and hispanic(Latin Kings, MS-13, Trinatarios, nortenos, etc), have you ever lived in an area with gang activity? Statistically speaking a black or latino teen is way more likely involved in gang activity than a white kid, that also goes into split second thought process before the officers shot Tamir Rice. I can’t imagine the guilt the officer must have over it, I can’t imagine what it is like knowing you killed somebodies child who was not a criminal or gangster but was just a kid playing with a toy gun. I don’t think those cops really wanted to kill that kid but they felt they had to, in order to preserve their own safety.
crushednjmillenial says:

May 29, 2020 at 12:12 pm

Annoying hypocrisy by the left mainstream media, from the bit of MSM coverage I’ve seen, on the MN riots.

None of the newscasters who have been overblowing COVID has anything to say about the social distancing problems of all these protesters packing together to burn down the police station. Unrelatedly, I wonder if they will burn down the officer’s house – they already protested there and wrote “Murderer” in chaulk on his driveway.
JCer says:

May 29, 2020 at 12:17 pm

Phoenix, just see the narrative you want to see. My assessment is a bit different. The altercation begins off camera. You have the self righteous bird watcher, who because of deep seated feelings of inadequacy deems it necessary to not only confront her about having the dog off the leash but to make vague threats. The women who is in a male dominated field has a natural response to bite back very hard against sexist behavior(any women surviving WS has ice running through her veins, not too familiar with her line of work but women on trading floors have nerves of steel….) I assure you he would not have acted the same way towards a man, so now we are saying racist trumps sexist? This is not a conversation worth having both were wrong end of story. Now by some bizarre twist we now have the mildly racist person having their life essentially ruined, or as we can see from past events perhaps she was just weaponizing race. FYI he was well with in his rights in NY to record the exchange(single party consent state) BUT posting this social media without the consent of all parties is troubling.
joyce says:

May 29, 2020 at 12:19 pm

Police, fire, emergency workers need to stay. Let’s see the “others” in that group such as administrators, consultants and other fat, no-show jobs.

We have too many cops to begin with. Fire can go mostly, if not 100%, volunteer.
joyce says:

May 29, 2020 at 12:28 pm

well with in his rights in NY to record the exchange(single party consent state)

There’s no expectation of privacy in public. You can record with zero parties consenting.
Walking says:

May 29, 2020 at 12:29 pm

Jcer, I don’t give a sh!t where she works, we all have stress. She deserves no exception because she is privileged and working on wall Street. If you cant take the heat go work in a toll booth. It is obvious she can’t follow the rules and feels entitled to have everyone now down to her rants. She deserves to be taken down finally. She brought no skills or good to this world.
joyce says:

May 29, 2020 at 12:30 pm

I don’t condone any violence, but if it is going to occur… better killer’s homes and their place of employment burned down than Target. More logical.

crushednjmillenial says:
May 29, 2020 at 12:12 pm
Annoying hypocrisy by the left mainstream media, from the bit of MSM coverage I’ve seen, on the MN riots.

None of the newscasters who have been overblowing COVID has anything to say about the social distancing problems of all these protesters packing together to burn down the police station. Unrelatedly, I wonder if they will burn down the officer’s house – they already protested there and wrote “Murderer” in chaulk on his driveway.
leftwing says:

May 29, 2020 at 12:33 pm

Three data points seal the deal for me regarding the culpability of Central Park Karen and absolving Connor…..

Regardless of what he said, which I found in no way threatening, he never approached and in fact backed off when she rushed him.

She went straight to his area of highest vulnerability (black man) with at the very least exaggerated claims (attack and threatening her life).

He is on the Board of the NY Audobon Society and his presence and actions were entirely consistent with his views.

That last point is most salient. Put yourself in his shoes, what if someone you didn’t know was walking a German Shepherd on your street and the animal took a mountain of a dump in front of you and the person looked at you and just kept walking. What would you say. What would you do?

Me, I’m an outdoors person, hiking, kayaking, etc. I’ve had similar discussions with a groups of yahoos bathing and shampooing in a pristine spring fed ADK pond….

My point is the area that was being misused is an area in which he was directly vested and he was only present because he was using the area for its intended purpose at that time, ie. it wasn’t like he was out looking for trouble or even just a passerby. I think he was incredibly restrained and the chick is batsh1t crazy.
Walking says:

May 29, 2020 at 12:56 pm

Left- agreed. When I get called out for an error I apologise and correct. Ie: how many of us made errors shopping with all the new covid rules? Did one throw a tantrum or correct yourself and move on. She could have leashed , said sorry and walked away.
JCer says:

May 29, 2020 at 1:00 pm

Joyce, a recording of a conversation between two people definitely falls under the single party consent rules because it is an exchange between two people that despite occurring in a public place was not entirely public. Yes a simple video of someone walking their dog off it’s leash in public requires no consent as there is no expectation of privacy. The posting of said video is questionable, from a legal perspective I don’t think it is fully settled. My position is even if the poster is not directly profiting from your likeness, the social media platform as a for profit institution is and social media is not news media…..

The woman is clearly emotionally disturbed, are we now saying mildly racist trumps mentally ill? We can take this in so many directions, protected class against protected class which is why I’m against the notion of protected classes in general, it’s not healthy……

The fixation on race brought in by Obama moved race relations back 30 years at least…..It’s simply not productive.

My point about women working on wall street is that as a result of the environment they work in they tend to be very aggressive and tend to have a volatile response to anything could be perceived as weakness. I’m not defending it, only explaining it, it’s not about stress it is about workplace culture. If you haven’t seen it or experienced it you don’t understand, I cannot believe the things I saw occur on a day to day basis are even permitted in a modern day workplace….I guess when money is being made people look the other way.
JCer says:

May 29, 2020 at 1:15 pm

Fair enough leftwing. I appreciate I maybe wrong here and weaponizing race is a particularly nasty thing to do. I agree with saying something, it’s just a question of where it stops, as you say most responsible people have been in that position where they see someone breaking a rule and they point it out, at least half the time(that’s being generous I’d say more often than half the time) the perpetrator tells you to f*ck off and continues to violate the rules. It is what happens afterwards that matters, I understand a substantial amount of conversation occurred before the filming. If he was following her to film her, that potentially crosses the line to harassment. Not condoning anything here but this is an exchange between neurotic people.
hom says:

May 29, 2020 at 1:16 pm

Not only did Amy Klo lose the VP slot this week, she VERY likely is gonna lose her senate seat. She will not get any minority support. What a fall from grace, just a few months ago she was making noise with surprising primary votes. today = persona non grata
JCer says:

May 29, 2020 at 1:23 pm

hom, fair enough it seems like MN is a mess. A change in political representation is warranted as what they are doing today isn’t working.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 1:41 pm

Let’s reverse the situation. Why do white teenagers driving in the ghetto get pulled over? Is that racist? Why do streets in Paterson have a bunch of people running up to cars with white teenagers yelling what you need? Are they racist?

Just making a point, for some reason in our society, only white people are racist and do racist things. Unfortunately, that’s not seen as racism either.

This race issue needs to go. It needs to stop being used by certain politicians, activists, and social media influencers for money and power. These younger generations are never going to get over it if people keep lighting the fire on the issue and dividing the country. Comes a time and place where you just have focus on the positives or continue to hurt society for the next 60 years. There is no reason we should be having riots over race issues in 2020, it’s pathetic.

Teach the younger generations about the past, but don’t indoctrinate them with hate. People pushing to their kids the idea that most whites are racist are the problem. They are just as bad as the white racists they hate. Both need to go or let it go. Can’t keep putting generations through this cycle of the world is racist and out to get you.

“On not seeing racism, Pumps you are not looking hard enough here in the North it is different, it is not overt. It is different and DWB(driving while black) is a real thing, black people are way more likely to be pulled over in most NNJ suburbs. It’s not right, but it is typically just an inconvenience. Most suburban cops see a black face and want to immediately confirm it is not someone from Newark or Paterson there to cause trouble(Which happens, just ask the folks living on the border of newark in places like maplewood).”
Bystander says:

May 29, 2020 at 1:41 pm

Any discussion regarding police, racism and feelings in black community rests on one major point..the justice system. A dumb@ss like Blumpy will think it is fair to poor and black but time and time again, connected people get special treatment for blatant crimes. Cops, politicians, govt workers, religious leaders..the further down on connection ladder, the less they give a sh%t about you rotting away in jail. Have some connection to govt, money or voting block then you have completely different system. How many examples exist in NJ? Countless. Steal 200k from a bank and 15-20 years in jail. Be a govt worker and steal 200k in quarters over years..no big deal. Steal a few thousand via welfare fraud as black couple? Years in jail. Steal over a million as rabbi? No worries. Sit on it and plea it out. It is a disgrace and we don’t even care as a society. Poor blacks are on the lowest rung of justice system.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 1:48 pm

That’s my point, BOTH were wrong in the Central Park situation. For some reason, she is the only one taking the heat.

What’s sad, both are very smart individuals, yet behaved like babies in this situation. Both should have said their peace, and walked away.

Some fat f’k tried to start with me at Home Depot. He thought I cut him on line. Giving me all this attitude. I said it’s one spot, take it, and let it go. I’m not here to fight over a spot in line. F’ing loser.
joyce says:

May 29, 2020 at 1:50 pm

hear, hear!

Bystander says:
May 29, 2020 at 1:41 pm
LurksMcGee says:

May 29, 2020 at 1:52 pm

Pumpkin,

There are so many things to unravel in your thinking. Racism =/= Prejudice. Sure some Black people can be prejudice against White people but not racist. Racism is a form of what Bystander is saying about who benefits. Black people don’t benefit from prejudice against White people. However, if a majority of a country is a race and they decide to prejudge a person based on color and/or decide to be more fearful of a smaller sect, that’s going to negatively impact the smaller group BY A LOT.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 1:55 pm

Bystander,

That’s not a race issue. That’s human nature. The rich and powerful run the show. It will never change. That’s part of the reason for going away to college, to network and develop connections. It’s not what you know, but who you know.

You don’t think white trash gets treated like crap by the court system? Try walking into court looking like trash and all tatted up, you are f’ed unless you have a good lawyer. Problem with white trash, no one likes them. They get mistreated by everyone, esp by other whites. It never shows up in the news because no one cares about white trash. It doesn’t sell headlines. People really have to understand it’s more a class issue than race issue.
ExEssex says:

May 29, 2020 at 1:57 pm

ChiFi….perhaps:

Who can say? Maybe here:

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Smiths_FAQ.html?id=tE_NCgAAQBAJ
LurksMcGee says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:00 pm

Pumpkin,

If its more of a class issue than a race issue, what do you think the outcome would between a white trash person and a (equal economically I guess) black person? Better yet, a white trash person and a legal hispanic immigrant that doesn’t speak English well. All things equal, how do you think one gets treated vs the other?

And to clarify, I’m not saying class doesn’t have anything to do with it, I’m pointing out which one weighs more.
joyce says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:04 pm

I will agree to disagree on a couple points. The pretend expert lawyer that I am is quite confident that no one had to consent to this recording. Perhaps, perhaps… if two people were in public whispering into their ear making an attempt to hold a private conversation, one party would have to consent. Not the case here. Also, press protections extend well beyond traditional new media, but I agree it gets muddy quickly when potentially profiting off of someone’s likeness.

JCer says:
May 29, 2020 at 1:00 pm
Joyce, a recording of a conversation between two people definitely falls under the single party consent rules because it is an exchange between two people that despite occurring in a public place was not entirely public. Yes a simple video of someone walking their dog off it’s leash in public requires no consent as there is no expectation of privacy. The posting of said video is questionable, from a legal perspective I don’t think it is fully settled. My position is even if the poster is not directly profiting from your likeness, the social media platform as a for profit institution is and social media is not news media…..
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:09 pm

Lurks,

Do you know what the poor white trash kids get treated like in the ghetto?

Have you ever really seen white trash?

Just go look at Eminem’s story. That kid was screwed and somehow rose above it.

“Where do I begin. His father left him and his mother when he was only a few months old (not to mention Debbie, Eminem’s mother, was only 15 when she had him and almost died when giving birth to him). He was tragically poor, he and his mother moved from one trailer home to another bc they always got evicted. he didn’t finish high school bc he kept failing.

His mother was an addict and alcoholic, she beat him up (although she wouldn’t admit it according to her book, My Son Marshall My Son Eminem, that i read, but it’s typical. She wouldn’t possibly talk shit about herself in her own book right?

When Ronnie (Eminem’s uncle and his best friend) died, Debby was so upset to the point she said that it should have been eminem who was dead instead. Of course, Debby also denied ever saying this in her book.

Then there was this bullying bit where eminem had to move from one school to another a couple times every year and he used to be a target for bullying. The worst case was when this Bailey D’Angelo dude beat him so bad that Eminem fell in a coma (listen to his song Brain Damage). According to Debbie’s book, Bailey threw a chunk of ice and struck him on the head, causing Marshall (Eminem) to crack his head as he hit the road. This accident made him unable to do basic things like tying his shoelace, etc. For a while.”
FakeNewsHoaxes says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:09 pm

MN opened its arms to the third world, and the third world it got.
Bystander says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:11 pm

“no one cares about white trash”

Yes, that must really hit home with you
JCer says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:14 pm

bystander, you clearly have not seen what goes on in the hudson county court system or any other liberal court system for that matter. Trust me when I tell you blatant criminality is forgiven on the basis of race. The difference is the rabbi has good lawyers, again a black man(OJ) with good lawyers could literally kill his wife and get away with it.

It is always about money, those who have it can push the right buttons and buy influence and even witnesses. If you want to get money out of the government I’m with you 100%, calling it a race based issue is a liberal fallacy. There aren’t 2 justice systems based on race. If you commit a violent crime, you are going to jail for a long time, they don’t care that your white/black/purple. The violent nature of the crime matters more than the amount of money. If a rich person does it they can buy the support of politicians, hire very effective lawyers to introduce elements of doubt and you likely can get away with it.

Our whole legal system works this way, it doesn’t matter who is right or wrong it is who can afford to litigate. We have whole industries in this country predicated on that fact. Legal system reform is a huge topic but again it is not a matter of race. When there is an injustice based on race/religion/creed/orientation it should be addressed but we should not invent injustices and we need to stop the victim culture as it is unhealthy for people on all sides.
JCer says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:37 pm

Lurks, in today’s day and age the justice system is a lot more equitable than it has been in the past. All things being equal the outcomes between races are equal(notice I didn’t say sexes, women are treated more kindly by the criminal justice system in certain cases). What is not equal is legal representation and even the basic economic situation, as a group blacks are the most impoverished.

Pumps is correct that being poor white trash in a black neighborhood is not a good experience and poor white trash are treated pretty badly. The system does them no favors, I’ve seen all colors of the food stamp crowd while I lived in jersey city, go past dickinson or ferris high and you’d frequently see black kids beating the shit out of a lone white or asian kid. Also in looking at Michigan the lawsuits over affirmative action, opportunities were made available based on race not situation which to some extent seems wrong as to pumps point the white kid in detroit has a pretty rough go at it, which was the point of the lawsuit.

Oh and Detroit/flint/dearborn is some next level sh*t, don’t get lost there. Although I here it is improving, I haven’t been in over a decade.
FakeNewsHoaxes says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:40 pm

The underlying issue in a lot of these brutality situations is not having the mental fitness for the job. You need to be able to reset yourself for every call and not everyone is able to do it. Combine that with apathy and it will eventually be a problem. They should be weeding these guys out much much sooner.
ranredd@optimum.net says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:41 pm

JCer,

Is it safe to say that a Black person with the same lawyer, same crime, same jury, would get the same sentence?
LurksMcGee says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:46 pm

JCer,

As for the white trash treatment in a black neighborhood, I have no doubt that happens. It reflects the fear/unknown/”other” aspect of different cultures. That’s why I’m not saying that everything is inherently racist. I’d more lean that it relates to how people treat differences. Some people embrace them. Most people are afraid/ridicule differences.

It’s more common for white people to simply outnumber black people in several neighborhoods across class strata. So it may seem like things are racist when in fact, its fear driven based on simple numbers. However, this doesn’t mean that racism doesn’t exist. Its just that people aggregate fear/prejudice with racism.
Bystander says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:51 pm

JCer,

Justice is what happens between the cracks when no one is watching. It is the blurbs in the local news rag. I don’t think anything exists wholly as one thing. There are many different justice systems based on race. Be a Patterson black drug dealer and beat a black user in Patterson then I bet it gets light treatment since it is common event in that city. Be a Patterson drug dealer, beat a white Wayne user at his highway house in Wayne..probably not a slap on the wrist. Also, lets not pick out OJ as some example of black fairness.
juice box says:

May 29, 2020 at 2:54 pm

riots off?

Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin arrested in death of George Floyd
JCer says:

May 29, 2020 at 3:14 pm

Bystander, my thought is you are not right about this. In general though the more standing and money the victim has the harsher the penalty the justice system doles out. Yes crime in the hood is expected, if the drug user/owner of pumps ping pong palace were black/hispanic/asian and beaten by his dealer in his home the treatment would be the same because it is an uncommon crime in a good neighborhood, not just the victim but the community at large would demand the message be sent that kind of behavior will not be tolerated in their community. That is one of the reasons you do not see super high levels of crime in good neighborhoods, the criminals know the penalty will be harsher in short hills or summit rather than hillside.

Why is it that Maplewood borders Irvington, yet Maplewood despite bordering Irvington and Newark has a low level of crime yet also has a huge black community? Yes criminals come in but in reality the police are more vigilant and the penalties will be greater if they are caught because even the poorest person in Maplewood has way more money than the folks in Irvington and in general the penalties track the economic standing of the victim. Not that it is right but it just is…. Again not race based, the legal system correlates money with being a functioning member of society.
grim says:

May 29, 2020 at 3:33 pm

Really glad to see the protesters are following rules and wearing masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
JCer says:

May 29, 2020 at 3:41 pm

on the officer in MN, this seems to be an issue waiting to happen with this guy, he seems like a real sociopath……

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/minneapolis-derek-chauvin-history-of-complaints-george-floyd

Also very interesting the men might have known each other……
joyce says:

May 29, 2020 at 3:57 pm

Here’s a good example from the somewhat recent past:
https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/index.html
Du Pont heir convicted of raping daughter spared prison

JCer says:
May 29, 2020 at 2:14 pm

The violent nature of the crime matters more than the amount of money. If a rich person does it they can buy the support of politicians, hire very effective lawyers to introduce elements of doubt and you likely can get away with it.
3b says:

May 29, 2020 at 4:10 pm

He should have been arrested immediately!
ExEssex says:

May 29, 2020 at 4:13 pm

For sure: https://youtu.be/KDFCmEDoqNQ
ExEssex says:

May 29, 2020 at 4:21 pm

Actually this is more in tune with the challenge of the day.
I used to travel to MN and always liked St. Paul.
Minneapolis was not a place I hung. The burbs are Lilly white to my
Recollection. My guess is this American city once proven it can literally implode in lawlessness will join the likes of Newark as failed quadrants it’s American city hood.

Lest we forget: https://youtu.be/pxkDJ4cQvTo
JC says:

May 29, 2020 at 4:31 pm

3b I agree, the whole thing is so ridiculous. You have a guy being arrested where it is really dubious if there is even a crime. You have a power tripping officer kneeling on his neck. The officer in question has a history of questionable behavior and the department did nothing, they swept it under the rug…….
Bystander says:

May 29, 2020 at 4:33 pm

Jcer,

I just don’t think I am wrong here. To say south has same justice system for blacks as whites is pretty much ignoring a long long history. If you want to argue federal justice system, maybe I think it is somewhat better. Otherwise Lori Laughlin would be humming Full House tune now prepping for USC rowing season. Cases like Marcus Dixon, where that particular GA law has never been applied before in that situation, yet you can’t see racism? I am not expert but I have seen and read enough.
3b says:

May 29, 2020 at 4:49 pm

JC that bastards shoe on that poor mans neck while he pleads he cannot breathe is one of the most disturbing things I have seen. Life in prison is called for.
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 4:59 pm

Deblasio virtue signalling on TV now, not wearing a mask either.

Says nothing about NY protesters not wearing masks and not social distancing, was only a few days ago he said ‘We’re not going to tolerate people to congregate’
chicagofinance says:

May 29, 2020 at 6:31 pm

Ex: checked into it….. not about boobs…

In other comments, I wish this guy could write lyrics, because he can sing. Really too bad that crew imploded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdGaPA0GeDY

ExEssex says:
May 29, 2020 at 1:57 pm
ChiFi….perhaps:

Who can say? Maybe here:

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Smiths_FAQ.html?id=tE_NCgAAQBAJ
joyce says:

May 29, 2020 at 6:41 pm

While I agree completely, if there are significant charges brought, if there is a trial and conviction… there’s always the chance an appeal’s court find an issue. And then we have to question if the issues were intentional (like when a prosecutor intentionally sandbags the grand jury presentation). If they do not retry, it was intentional.

3b says:
May 29, 2020 at 4:49 pm
JC that bastards shoe on that poor mans neck while he pleads he cannot breathe is one of the most disturbing things I have seen. Life in prison is called for.
joyce says:

May 29, 2020 at 6:42 pm

I didn’t articulate my thoughts very well. Suffice to say I doubt this cop or the others will spend significant time in prison… if i had to bet money, zero.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 6:47 pm

I think everyone can agree, they need to do a better job of weeding out the broken officers. The cops that abuse their power and are outright bullies.

This killing in Minnesota was the result of a sociopath, not some racist. He wasn’t hurting him because he is black, he was hurting him because he was a sociopath. That’s why they should have arrested him right away. Now it creates the story that this was a racist act supported by a racist police department. I doubt this had anything to do with racism, but that’s what the media and talking heads are going to run with now. All because the police want to protect their own, and didn’t arrest this officer right away.

Now it will be remembered as a racist act, even though none of the officers at the scene of the crime wanted to hurt this man based on the color of his skin. Now all white people will receive hate from another generation of African Americans watching an African American man get killed by a white cop in 2020. This cop should be lined up and shot for hurting and dividing society like this. Really created a mess..
chicagofinance says:

May 29, 2020 at 6:50 pm

The second he hits prison, he gets the Jeffrey Dahmer treatment.

joyce says:
May 29, 2020 at 6:42 pm
I didn’t articulate my thoughts very well. Suffice to say I doubt this cop or the others will spend significant time in prison… if i had to bet money, zero.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 6:53 pm

Here comes the machine. Feeding off dividing our country. Huffington post going to work…

“I’m An Angry Black Woman. This Is What I Want White People To Know.
“If you’re thinking, ‘I’m not racist, I’m not prejudiced, I’m not biased.’ You are. On some spectrum. And here is how I know.””

https://apple.news/AewNPpJAmRD6OysO2DyF6Pw
3b says:

May 29, 2020 at 7:34 pm

And on a happier note Dropkick Murphys are streaming live from Fenway Park! Back to the music!!
3b says:

May 29, 2020 at 7:40 pm

Bruce will be making a special appearance!
A Home Buyer says:

May 29, 2020 at 7:58 pm

Now below 1% and still dropping.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/28/863944333/antibody-tests-point-to-lower-death-rate-for-the-coronavirus-than-first-thought
Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

May 29, 2020 at 9:26 pm

On that album Chuck D and the Bomb squad used a E-mu SP-1200 sampler and a Macintosh computer, way ahead of his time, that album could not be made today as the cost to sample would make it prohibitively expensive for any group to make and produce.

Sampling in the 90s was so awesome. The beats put together from those old Jazz, R&B, Motown, and 70s funk records are amazing.
Libturd says:

May 29, 2020 at 10:11 pm

I know St. Paul really well as that is where my company is headquartered and I have spent way too much time there. St. Paul is the blue collar brother to much more cosmopolitan Minneapolis. They are two very different places. St. Paul is much more diverse as well. Minnesota is a very weird place. It’s just a very unusual mix. The nordic influence is strong there and women tend to be the leaders. The men would rather hunt and fish. As for the riots? They can happen anywhere. And us white people make way too big a deal of them and looting.

JCER, you are spot on about our justice system. It should be nationalized in the name of fairness. Will never happen. Money always wins.

Chi, clearly it’s about different shaped people.
Juice Box says:

May 29, 2020 at 10:12 pm

Lots going down in Brooklyn tonight,

88 Pct in Brooklyn just been overrun.

Police Commissioner Shea has called a Level 3 mobilization.

Requires all special units respond and four cars from every command in the city to location.

84 Pct under siege, as well. Also, Brooklyn North.
Grim says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:07 pm

Shit happens when 40 million people are unemployed
Chicago says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:13 pm

Look what You Tube’s algo sent me
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsl_Dne008Y
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 29, 2020 at 11:24 pm

We fight amongst ourselves while the real enemy keeps punching away.

“Beyond Hong Kong, an Emboldened Xi Jinping Pushes the Boundaries”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/beyond-hong-kong-an-emboldened-xi-jinping-pushes-the-boundaries-11590774190?emailToken=b73857b20d6965ac8919d5957dff71585SoldJIv1dTqnWjFIeYIIp/aQhP2+Bx+qVKu4HBKp6ukYTUd4KywY55vvCU0wnBeyGbMriQ1Vz/LqQMvguxQwThetpVPhxOOFKv4dRQdduFE+qzhJk/WVK35A+YTUlkf&reflink=article_copyURL_share
Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

May 30, 2020 at 12:12 am

lol, watch the news and the commercials that say “stay home”. I guess the lockdown is officially over. Not much social distancing going on tonight. Protests tomorrow in Trenton. What are the odds that the governor does nothing to enforce his 10 to 25 person gathering edict? Are these people those “knuckleheads” he’s been talking about?

You’ll be free to burn the city down, just don’t you dare try to open your barber shop.
Walking says:

May 30, 2020 at 12:23 am

People were forecasting the pandemic would lead to riots, the trigger was supposed to be food, but I guess 40 million with nothing to do and an extra $600 will lead to this.

I was watching BBC show on northern Ireland and the IRA attacks back in the 70s. They did a lot of damage as well.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 30, 2020 at 12:26 am

This is getting crazy. Glad I’m not a cop right now.

What’s really sad, these idiots are destroying taxpayer property. Why do you have to punish the taxpayer by destroying public property.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/reports-of-shots-fired-at-nypd-88th-precinct-as-riots-erupt/
JCer says:

May 30, 2020 at 12:37 am

3b, I agree the knee to that man’s necks is super egregious, why the other officers didn’t step in is also bizarre. My point was they were arresting him for something so trivial to begin with, it’s senseless. The man lost his life getting arrest for something that likely wasn’t even a crime, I highly doubt he was knowingly passing a fake bill if it was indeed counterfeit.

Given that these men apparently knew each other I’d say it was a personal rather than anything else, that cop wanted to hurt or kill him.

On Marcus Dixon I’m not familiar with the case but when one is accused of rape, the fact that he was acquitted of most charges(with a public defender no less) and the judge and the DA figured a way to sentence him tells me they felt he was guilty and were attempting to override the jury(again not right, but it does happen) and the GA Supreme Court overturned the little maneuver. The courts tried to do it again when they couldn’t get a rape conviction, this time all parties involved were black both the accused and the accuser. GA has some really weird laws, apparently oral sex was illegal until 1998. In general the south is more messed up and I do believe there is still crazy racism in places like Alabama.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 30, 2020 at 12:39 am

Like I said, not a racist issue. This guy wasn’t even married to a white girl. Unreal, how this has turned into a racist incident with a guy that wasn’t even married to a white girl.

“Wife of ex-Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin reportedly filing for divorce”

https://nypost.com/2020/05/30/wife-of-ex-cop-derek-chauvin-reportedly-filing-for-divorce/
Walking says:

May 30, 2020 at 12:44 am

Jcer, with the rape case you wonder if it was also part of a messy divorce.
Walking says:

May 30, 2020 at 12:46 am

Millennials giving a big f you to the boomers tonight, lots of different groups out there
JCer says:

May 30, 2020 at 12:58 am

What the hell is wrong with people because one cop is an alleged murderer(at this point innocent until proven guilty, but probably guilty based on what we’ve seen), they want to kill other cops. NYPD is a thankless shitty job, more the most part these are just regular people many of whom are minorities themselves. Rioting in NY makes zero sense.

On the legal system, one of the biggest issues is that it was created by lawyers. The motive of much of the legal system is a profit center for law firms. The remedies and defenses against malicious litigation and prosecution are non-existent.

On MN, my wife has some family there. The only time I was there was when we had a connecting flight that didn’t connect so I was stuck there for a day. I went to the mall of America, not so great. My wife spent a shit ton of time out there on business. The impression I get is that most people don’t like it there except the MN people who think it is the most wonderful place in the world. All I know if that it is obscenely cold in the winter, housing prices and property taxes suck in Minneapolis probably as bad or worse than in Jersey.
Phoenix says:

May 30, 2020 at 1:42 am

Jcer,
I was married to this so I know what it looks like-and sounds like. You have no idea what torture it is-just listening to her-the lies were clear as day. She is a planner, and has been at this for some time. She knew what she was doing. But like I said, don’t ask law enforcement to do anything. 2nd link should make any man think twice about putting a ring on anyone’s finger.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8368083/Former-colleague-Amy-Cooper-says-tried-ruin-life-bogus-lawsuit.html
Phoenix says:

May 30, 2020 at 1:42 am

http://www.realworlddivorce.com/DomesticViolence
Phoenix says:

May 30, 2020 at 1:44 am

“A wife willing to commit perjury can spend months or even years with her lawyer planning to file a domestic violence complaint at an opportune moment in order to gain the upper hand in a divorce proceeding and preparing the presentation of her case, while an accused husband is given ten days or less to prepare a defense. Ten days is not nearly enough time to prepare for a FRO hearing. It is not even enough time for most defendants to fully understand the gravity of the situation they’re in. The lack of time is compounded by the stress, alarm, and confusion caused by suddenly and without warning being thrown out of the marital home by armed police officers. … He is allowed to take his wallet with him but is prohibited from taking his checkbook because the police officers fear that he might maliciously exhaust the marital assets … He has not been advised he has the right to have an attorney represent him, and doesn’t realize he needs one. He couldn’t afford one if he did, but he has no right, unlike a criminal defendant, to be provided with free counsel.”
homeboken says:

May 30, 2020 at 8:45 am

Well, last night was one of those historic moments for me at least. I have so many thoughts on this but I’ll start with levity. There was an Onion article a while ago that said “ACLU defends right of neo-nazi groups to burn down ACLU headquarters”.

That’s all I could think about watching rioters attacking CNN HQ in Atlanta.
grim says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:08 am

Will Newark and Trenton burn today?
homeboken says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:17 am

I also conclude from watching media coverage of the riots last night: looting and setting fires must kill Corona virus. Lockdowns have ended in a manner that I don’t think anyone here predicted. But make no mistake, lockdown is over everywhere.
Police will not defend their own building/city being looted and burned. Good luck enforcing that mask policy.
homeboken says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:19 am

If you are a small business owner, open your doors, operate in any way that you and your customers see fit.

If the government or police try to shut you down, set their cop car on fire and they will leave.
ExEssex says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:25 am

12:39 uh. Yeah. Dude. Seriously.
Keep it up and the board will push for an IQ test to post here.
ExEssex says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:27 am

9:17 mask policy seems to work well for looters.
ExEssex says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:29 am

11:13 niiice. Never realized how much “capo” Marr uses on his guitar.
ExEssex says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:31 am

This one goes out to the disenfranchised:

https://youtu.be/ODebloQsnu4
Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:00 am

I was thinking you were post “White Riot”
Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:05 am

“I would just say to folks, you’re playing with fire,” says Gov. Murphy. “It has to be done the right way and at the right time and I think if you bear with us over the next few days, we’ll give some more guidance on that.”

I wonder if Murphy will tell the arsonists today that they are playing with fire.
joyce says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:10 am

blue wall

JCer says:
May 30, 2020 at 12:58 am
What the hell is wrong with people because one cop is an alleged murderer(at this point innocent until proven guilty, but probably guilty based on what we’ve seen), they want to kill other cops
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:13 am

Was I correct about WFH’s impact on the mental health of the individual? I think these riots show what happens when people have been locked inside for too long. Lots of anger out there..
Fabius Maximus says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:18 am

whether this song is about breasts?

No, its about Morrissey dialing in another sh1t lyric to go over Marrs exquisite arrangement.

Johnny was the real talent in that band.
grim says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:21 am

Was I correct about WFH’s impact on the mental health of the individual? I think these riots show what happens when people have been locked inside for too long. Lots of anger out there..

No. You have the highest employment in recent history, and a generation that’s faced the worst economic stretch in the history of America.
Phoenix says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:21 am

This is what it’s about.

https://youtu.be/km4uCOAzrbM?t=245
Phoenix says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:26 am

Link at wrong time, but whole video is good.
Correct time
https://youtu.be/km4uCOAzrbM?t=364
Fabius Maximus says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:30 am

When talking about that Ozark pool and theseir first case of Covid.

Consider this. What happens in Vegas does not necessarily stay in Vegas,

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/biological-warfare-expert-explains-why-you-should-never-get-in-a-las-vegas-pool/
ExEssex says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:31 am

I am the first to admit, I’ve enjoyed quarantine more than a little.
It’ll probably rank high as I age out.
grim says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:39 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/05/27/millennial-recession-covid/
grim says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:49 am

Haven’t we learned anything from Latin America, Europe, and Africa?

Hell hath no fury like unemployed youth.
homeboken says:

May 30, 2020 at 11:07 am

As as I’m concerned you can take quarantine and give it right back to the F’n Indians.
joyce says:

May 30, 2020 at 11:11 am

We’ve had riots and similar behavior after a number of controversial police involved events… pandemic/unemployment is a coincidence.
Chicago says:

May 30, 2020 at 12:41 pm

Terrible article. An article written by a snowflake for snowflakes, And then “surprise” Injects structural racism in business in society as an important accelerant.

grim says:
May 30, 2020 at 10:39 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/05/27/millennial-recession-covid/
Phoenix says:

May 30, 2020 at 12:43 pm

Chicago,
Can’t read that newspaper at all. Makes me ill.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 30, 2020 at 3:05 pm

Yes, that’s part of it too. WFH or no job, doesn’t matter, it’s not good for your mental health to be in your home 99% of the day. Look at the suicide rates and drug/alcohol issues, they are dramatically up. Domestic abuse is dramatically up. Now people are rioting…writing is on the wall. This time at home has been a failed experiment.

Can a small part of the population handle being home all the time with no negative effects…sure. Can the majority of the population do it…hell no.

grim says:
May 30, 2020 at 10:21 am
Was I correct about WFH’s impact on the mental health of the individual? I think these riots show what happens when people have been locked inside for too long. Lots of anger out there..

No. You have the highest employment in recent history, and a generation that’s faced the worst economic stretch in the history of America.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 30, 2020 at 3:07 pm

Not at this level of anger.

joyce says:
May 30, 2020 at 11:11 am
We’ve had riots and similar behavior after a number of controversial police involved events… pandemic/unemployment is a coincidence
Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

May 30, 2020 at 3:33 pm

So far, peaceful in NJ as much as I can see? I guess that’s a win for NJ?
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 30, 2020 at 4:02 pm

Lol…what do you know, jersey the class act. Go jersey!

Blue Ribbon Teacher says:
May 30, 2020 at 3:33 pm
So far, peaceful in NJ as much as I can see? I guess that’s a win for NJ?
Libturd says:

May 30, 2020 at 4:05 pm

Our politicians should be ashamed.

This country is rapidly descending into a giant POS. I used to think it was just Jersey.

I honestly can’t wait to get outta here.

ExPat, was so sold on Costa Rica, he nearly wanted to buy property when we were down there. I hope some of you will visit me in paradise before our country becomes a complete cesspool of government corruption.
Walking says:

May 30, 2020 at 4:51 pm

blue, the police have been preparing in NJ since late March, carry extra amo etc. Let’s see how the preparedness pans out. A couple of warm nights with nothing to do.

The parks police and secret service showed some real restraint last night. Question for the board: if the fence is breeched does Donald and the white house escape through a secret tunnel or lift off on marine one? Actually asking because it looked possible last night.
Walking says:

May 30, 2020 at 5:00 pm

My feeling is Trump’s goes out in style flying out, and slamming the door shut o.n Mike pence, leaving him to Fen for himself. This opens up the possibility of a condoleesa rice as vp candiadte,.
3b says:

May 30, 2020 at 5:15 pm

Unbelievable someone brings in work from home through the back door as if this is causing the current situation. What a bunch of BS. WFH will be just fine once people can return to normal in other aspects of life.
leftwing says:

May 30, 2020 at 5:28 pm

“Question for the board: if the fence is breeched does Donald and the white house escape through a secret tunnel or lift off on marine one?”

Never happen. Not his personal style and is 100x worse than Hanoi, could you possibly imagine the optics of a US president getting chased from the WH?

Snipers on the roof, as always. Gas first, if they want it, otherwise drop four to ten in the lead. Rest of the crowd turns and runs.
Chicago says:

May 30, 2020 at 6:47 pm

Left. I agree with Walking.
This is a likely depiction

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p9oh5H3MHwg
homeboken says:

May 30, 2020 at 6:51 pm

If protestors breach the guard fence and touch ground on the north lawn, they will be systematically shot by snipers. If any of these kids is brave enough to see the guy next to him get his head exploded and keeps going, good for him.
None of the Whitehouse rioters were that brave last night. When the knocked down the barricade, they put their hands up for 5/10 mins, Everytime. The Whitehouse is not in danger of being breached by unarmed antifa. A standing army could not breach.
Juice Box says:

May 30, 2020 at 6:53 pm

leftwing – the cannot gun down unarmed people.

They will pull what the did in Minneapolis and many other protests since the 1960s and send in a few agent provocateurs to start trouble then gas everyone. There is little in that area of DC that can be set on fire, most buildings in that area already fortified and made of quarried stone etc.
Juice box says:

May 30, 2020 at 7:11 pm

they are using the NSA And military intelligence to spy on US protesters that’s a big red flag to me , probable telegram and a few other encrypted platforms to communicate are being watched.
Walking says:

May 30, 2020 at 7:24 pm

Homeboken, but in the past you have had guys make it across the lawn and to the door. Granted there are snipers now, but you are counting on them suddenly not having a conscious. There must be an escape plan? Even if they say he is there , there must be a tunnel to the hotel across the street
Walking says:

May 30, 2020 at 7:26 pm

Also would think they get mounted horses tonight, those horses are tough sobs
ExEssex says:

May 30, 2020 at 7:32 pm

Wow. Cities look to be in chaos tonight. Fuuuuuu ck
homeboken says:

May 30, 2020 at 7:34 pm

I agree, the snipers will be tallying kills while POTUS evacuates. Or more likely, he won’t return to DC today. Camp David seems secure for a night.

But I am confident that anyone breaching the fence will be shot. Even if only to set an example to any other rioters, don’t try it if you want your skull to remain attached.
homeboken says:

May 30, 2020 at 7:37 pm

Remember, this is the Whitehouse with its own highly trained military style police, the secret service. These aren’t overweight donut lickers from St Paul trying to make it to retirement age.

The Whitehouse being defended is critically important to national security, no matter who is POTUS or if the Whitehouse is totally empty or not. It is the literal Alamo, it will never allow an invading force to even get close. Never.
joyce says:

May 30, 2020 at 8:21 pm

Relax everyone.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 30, 2020 at 8:27 pm

I guess if you are anti social and like living your day to day life as a hermit, it works. For the people that don’t, they have built up a lot of negative emotion over the past couple of months. People were going out of their minds, that’s why they stopped listening to the social distancing order from the govt. They don’t give a f’k and want to take their anger out on something.

3b says:
May 30, 2020 at 5:15 pm
Unbelievable someone brings in work from home through the back door as if this is causing the current situation. What a bunch of BS. WFH will be just fine once people can return to normal in other aspects of life.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 30, 2020 at 8:31 pm

This police incident was the spark they were looking for…

I wonder how many marriages get ruined because of this stay at home order. Thank god I really get along with my wife because I can imagine how tough it is for some husbands out there right now with their annoying wife 24/7. Bitching away…god bless.

3b, how will that work for marriages…wfh would make couples be together 24/7. Save me the bs.

Would love to short your opinion. You are so wrong.
Walking says:

May 30, 2020 at 8:34 pm

Homeboken , there is precidence with the Patton’s attack on the bonus army on the great lawn in DC.
Libturd says:

May 30, 2020 at 8:34 pm

These are not protests. These are kids being dummies. I would arrest every one of them black and white. I would throw the press out too. What a pathetic excuse to ruin property. These are not protests. This is actually taking away from the good.

NYC is the most disappointing. I’m watching kids on expensive bicycles, light garbage cans on fire and then ride wheelies around it. For every legitimate protester, there are 100 moronic white kids and supposed press people holding up cell phones waiting for a cop to accidentally knock someone down.

What a complete joke.
Juice box says:

May 30, 2020 at 8:45 pm

NYPD just ran down a bunch of protestors Holding a barricade with his patrol car ,gonna be a long night.
3b says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:03 pm

Some people lack critical thinking and reading skills. WFH as I said is perfectly fine when the environment returns to normal. Kids back at school, people going out again etc Some idiot believes that people are working from home, and then for a release go out and loot a Target. Yeah that’s my plan on Monday!! WFH is someone’s boogie man because it might negatively impact their real estate. Meanwhile, people I know with school age children are so excited about the dramatic quality of life improvement they will have when they can dump the commute along with various other costs.
Walking says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:04 pm

This is equal to the boomers Woodstock. All peace and love, sort of. Country closes down to save the boomers only to have millienials genz revolt and overthrow the boomers
juice box says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:05 pm

Turd even if the were peaceful like OWS was 9 years ago they will simply not allow it, it’s been that way for a long time the tactics being used are to cause chaos not peace, and I speak of both sides. Today someone dropped off a pallet of bricks in the middle of the road in downtown Dallas, nowhere near any construction. It could have been either side.
3b says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:06 pm

White House attacks, President evacuation??!! I think we are getting a head of ourselves here.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:07 pm

I don’t know if this is true or not, but someone said this man died of underlying conditions and toxicity. Supposedly, they said he did not die of suffocation.

If this is true, how are they going to charge him with murder? Are these people going to riot if the cop is found not guilty?
Juice box says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:07 pm

Bricks from nowhere in a Dallas.

https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/1266632882862403585
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:16 pm

You know the typical person really is Homer Simpson. Why are they rioting? Do they realize they are giving the cops crazy overtime? Can’t fix stupid, and these same idiots are going to cry about taxes as they smash a cop car. F’ing losers. Go do something productive with your life instead of looting aka robbing from everyone else.
Juice box says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:16 pm

Pumps – he died because he resisted arrest, there is a new video Today of the police trying to keep him in the Back seat of the patrol car or perhaps kicking his ass or trying to buckle him in, he escaped out of the car on the street side and then came the rest And his death. You cannot resist arrest, the law is settled on it.

Makes no difference those 4 cops should have been able to handle it better than Killing him, theY caused his heart to stop, it was not asphyxiation, as the cops knee was on his side neck not his windpipe.
3b says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:19 pm

Juice: The Y?
juice box says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:29 pm

NYPD is fuming at DeBlasio too he is not allowing them to use helmets and riot gear.

https://twitter.com/SBANYPD/status/1266753180823674881
joyce says:

May 30, 2020 at 9:32 pm

Come on 3b, if you want to respond to the idiot just do so. The pretend ignoring is the same as all your broken vows. And “the Y” = they
zapaza19 says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:39 pm

Daughter lives in Nashville area. Thugs are now burning down Broadway. Without Broadway, which tourist is going to go there? Azzhole mayor. But Wait…

The thugs broke in and looted the expensive boot store. I was in that store. Well, some jerks now wound up with $3k pair of custom cowboy boots.

I’m jealous.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:46 pm

Sad, but true.

“Is there a single piece of publicly verifiable evidence that “white nationalists” are responsible for committing any of this violence or destruction? Because there’s plenty of verifiable evidence that white left-wing activists have committed a bunch”
Juice box says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:48 pm

Protests in Germany and Japan too.
Juice Box says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:56 pm

My theory is the Young looters are tired of wearing sweatpants for weeks on end and just want some new outfits for Reopening of the bars and clubs. I do see allot of socializing going on at the DC protest, seems it’s protest and hookup time as the bars and clubs are all still closed.
chicagofinance says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:57 pm

How Soon Is Now…… check out this version….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB5bSZmuP90
Juice box says:

May 30, 2020 at 10:58 pm

I bet if they open the bars and clubs ASAP these young people with nothing better to do will give up the protesting and go party.
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 30, 2020 at 11:01 pm

Anderson said there were “several people” who were behaving like that at the protest, some of whom he believed are “right-wing conservative individuals who just don’t give a damn about black and brown people, or want to make this movement look bad.”
“It wasn’t black and brown folks that were antagonizing police. It was white people throwing stuff at them,” he said. “And then when they kept throwing bags of urine, cans, and water bottles, that’s when the police snapped and they started tear-gassing innocent bystanders.”

Asia Cruz, who joined the protests in Oakland Friday night, said she arrived to what looked like a peaceful protest, but then saw a group of about a dozen white men dressed in all black tearing down the boards that covered the window of a Chase Bank. A video she posted of the incident on Twitter has gone viral. 
“They started breaking the glass, set off a firework in the bank, and started a fire,” she told BuzzFeed News. Then they moved to a Walgreens across the street and “did the same thing.” 
“I noticed each time, once they were in and protesters began to move in [too], the men dressed in black left almost immediately, and then the peaceful protestors would be sprayed with tear gas,” Cruz recalled. “It seemed very organized.”

https://apple.news/AxzdrWpm7Su-ZIHs83tyZLg
Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

May 30, 2020 at 11:24 pm

I swear, just start the NBA and MLB tomorrow. The rioting will end.
Juice Box says:

May 30, 2020 at 11:34 pm

Seems to be fizzing out in NYC…no Bored young White girls from The Catskills to toss firebombs at the NYPD tonight.
Juice Box says:

May 30, 2020 at 11:56 pm

Smart Cop he is way smarter than most politicians including big bird.

https://twitter.com/_joshonair/status/1266928187822530560
JCer says:

May 31, 2020 at 12:01 am

Juice, if true and there is video evidence of him resisting arrest if they go for a murder charge it will almost certainly end in an acquittal….

I still for the life of me cannot figure out resisting arrest, you are not going to escape.
ExEssex says:

May 31, 2020 at 12:48 am

10:57 nooooice
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 31, 2020 at 12:52 am

Really sad…what are they protesting? Oh that’s right, brutality. Homer says doh!!

Wonder if this guy is dead.

https://twitter.com/libertyhangout/status/1266926402269523969?s=21
The Great Pumpkin says:

May 31, 2020 at 12:55 am

Seriously, what a bunch of f’ing animals.

These are the same people that claim trump is a bad man. They really need to look in the got damn mirror.
Phoenix says:

May 31, 2020 at 1:20 am

Law enforcement and the “system” did their best to help my ex loot thousands of dollars from me. They did nothing when it came to protecting my rights.
So personally I find this entertaining.
Let it rip.
Phoenix says:

May 31, 2020 at 1:47 am

Comment from one of the protesters:

“They didn’t hear him when he was saying “I can’t breathe” or when she was begging for her mom, but they f**king hear us now!”
grim says:

May 31, 2020 at 6:17 am

Suddenly the concept of Bread and Circuses becomes far more clear.
Juice Box says:

May 31, 2020 at 6:42 am

Phoenix- Don”t hate the playa hate the game. I know a guy who got a Real quick favorable divorce from his now ex-wife, he used the same tactic you mentioned and got her arrested for domestic violence, and held that over her head.

BTW he was is a real SOB, that is why some people I work with engineered his voluntary exit from our employment, he was literally back to doing QA testing from having lots of teams And responsibilities and well thought he would be a VP soon too, no longer Working for a Fortune 500 now either, went into opening a few retail stores in several high rent districts that have now been closed for months, he may be bankrupt now. His new wife probably is thinking of tossing him to the curb now, as tigers don’t change their stripes, stuck at home with him must be painful..
Juice Box says:

May 31, 2020 at 7:08 am

light em up…..National Guard at work last night in Minneapolis.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1266952661791674370

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