C19 Open Discussion Week 15

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  1. ExEssex says:

    First! It’s fun watching the Trump train derail.

  2. Juice Box says:

    Humm History Rhymes? Summer of Riots? Shades of the 1968 DNC convention?


  3. Truth hurts says:

    If black lives matter, pay your child support. Happy Father’s Day!

  4. ExEssex says:

    8:15? Seriously?

  5. Walking says:

    City shootings up this weekend, partly due to phase 2 reopenings? I expect the exodus from NYC to increase.

  6. SundayWack LocustBoomers says:

    This explain very well why the federal reserve will keep creating asset inflation.

    Unless thing change, by will, incompetence, chinese war or virus, or just serendipity.


  7. Fast Eddie says:

    O’Biden is the answer. LOL!!

  8. SundayWack LocustBoomers says:

    No, not corporate sleepy Joe.

    However, the “.1% mindset” is what is pushing for ignoring the virus effect, business and money above everything.

    Realize that it is the cause that in 3 months, 3 years, 30 years, when you look in the news or look back in history about the mayhem that will be coming soon

  9. ExEssex says:

    Hilarious Trump thrills audience of Low IQ voters with funnies like this:

    Trump said: “When you do testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people, you’re going to find more cases. So I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please!’ ”

  10. ExEssex says:

    California should really secede.

  11. Fast Eddie says:

    The epitome of low IQ is pulling the lever for O’Biden.

  12. ExEssex says:

    Read this and tell me this isn’t government run by imbeciles:


  13. Fast Eddie says:

    CNN… I stopped right there. The left is pathetic, puny and tenderly worthless. How’s that CHOP violence working out? What? 11 shootings in Minneapolis last night? And those protests were impervious to the virus, right? Wait… you mean 72% of black kids don’t have a father? When are you pathetic, feeble, woeful, pitiful, miserable, meager, inadequate liberals going to discuss the root of the real problems? For 60 years you’ve been offering solutions that don’t work. Weak following the weak… you have absolutely nothing to offer. Nothing.

  14. AP says:

    The root of the real problem is a mindset that pitches group against group. The opposite of peace, tolerance, forbearance. Ironically, it displays the lack of emotional control that’s ascribed to the out group.

  15. Phoenix says:

    Happy Fathers day to all, especially those who unfortunately are married/been married to a “Karen.”

  16. ExEssex says:

    10:52 sorry was that above your reading level?

  17. Fast Eddie says:

    CNN = Cloddish News Network

  18. Hold my beer says:


  19. ExEssex says:

    Off to Calabasas to dine on some seafood!
    Best to all the dads. Keep your chins up folks.

  20. Libturd says:

    No one ever does anything to the bankers. They have paid handsomely for their immunity. Read the congressional report on Countrywide. Why didn’t they go to jail? No one was even reprimanded. At least Mozillo was fined. Not enough to recover all of his personal profits, but some of them. It really pays to purchase favor. This is not a partisan issue.

  21. joyce says:

    “We encourage you to keep in mind that the officers on the street that are responding to these calls are not dictating nor consulted on policy.”


    The PBA rephrased ‘just following orders’ nicely.

  22. Hold my beer says:

    Cases and hospitalization surging in north texas.

    Tarrant county sets a one day record today for cases in the area at 444.

    Dallas county has 404 new cases


  23. Libturd says:


    It’s going to be a bigger mess in the less metro areas where there is not enough hospital capacity. In other news, my dad now agrees (finally) that Trump is a moron. We exchanged our usual pleasantries over Father’s Day, where he was in disbelief of the maskless Trump rally. See, you can be a patriot and not a selfish pr1ck at the same time. This election is over.

  24. Hold my beer says:


    I suspect the rural areas of north texas are going to flood the 4 populated counties with cases. I think hospitals in the DFW area will be at capacity in another 2 weeks. At least Dallas county is now requiring businesses to have their employees and customers wear masks if they can’t space at least 6 ft apart.

    Here’s an article on the importance of masks. These doctors think corona binds easiest to the linings of the nostrils and can replicate at a much faster rate in the nostrils before heading down the throat at night when people sleep. For the obese, elderly, and diabetics it is easier for the virus to enter the lungs than other people, probably from medical condition. Younger and healthier people it is more likely to travel down the esophagus and enter the stomach causing nausea and the runs. They want to study using a nettie pot that has water and baby shampoo as a daily flush to see if its safe for people and if it prevents or lowers the severity of corona.


  25. BoomerRemover says:

    Drove to Sandy Hook today to get some color on my nether regions. Stood in beastly traffic for two hours trying to get onto the barrier and then promptly got popped for 51 in 35 by park police. First ticket in over a decade and completely necessary. Between the TPK tolls, park fees and all a $200 beach outing.

    There was a grand total of zero masks worn in the park, though to be fair the beach was very sparsely populated (lot E) and people rarely came closer than 12-24′.

    So, phase 2 tomorrow eh? Texted my barber down in the village, a cash only establishment @ $50-350 per patron with monthly rent to match.

    Did Grim shake the ‘rona?

  26. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    102 shot in Chicago this weekend. Propaganda industry says police are the root of the problem.

  27. Juice Box says:

    134 days bithches.

    Michael Moore has a point where is the love?

    “Don’t get all smug laughing at these Bubbas in Tulsa today & snickering over how many of them are going to come down with Covid-19,” wrote Moore in an Instagram caption on Saturday. “They live, eat and breathe Trump — and none of us do that with Joe Biden. We’re counting on Hatred of Trump – not love of Biden – to win the day. Is that how you really think — hate beats love? Like, the more we ply our neighbor’s hatred of Trump, that’s the ticket to win?”

  28. ExEssex says:

    The police will survive. But in every community that sees their increased militarization and heavy handed tactics they’ll be pushback. Chicago has always been a tough city. No place for snowflakes. Cept in wintertime.

  29. ExEssex says:

    Moore is a very bright guy. But he’s a worrier.

  30. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    The violence is going to spread nationwide in the urban areas as the police pull back. It’s going to be a bloody summer.

    The systemic problem is corruption. Corrupt politicians cover up for corrupt cops. Now that the political weasels have decided that the arrangement doesn’t work for them any more, the police are going to recalculate.

    That will mean a lot of pain unfortunately for the vulnerable.

  31. Chicago says:

    He never confirmed he had it. I asked multiple times.

    BoomerRemover says:
    June 21, 2020 at 9:46 pm
    Did Grim shake the ‘rona

  32. Chicago says:

    Travel Update ( JJ Edition):
    A British man arrested in a Brussels airport with cocaine inside of an artificial peni$ could face up to three years in prison for the offense, prosecutors said last week.

    The man was busted trying to smuggle the drugs from Jamaica into Belgium last February, The New Zealand Herald reported.

    He allegedly told investigators that he intended to use the cocaine for personal use once he returned home.

    Prosecutors did not prove the man, who said he got the drugs while visiting his mom in the Caribbean county, was a “mule,” but still asked for a 36-month sentence, the report said.

    Defense attorneys argued such a sentence is too severe since the man is in poor health.

    “My client has kidney failure and needs to exercise as well as follow a proper diet,” his lawyer said, according to the report.

    The man is set to be sentenced on Wednesday.

  33. FakeThruth istheEnemy says:

    The cops are having their accountability moment caused by sadist and killers just like the Boys Scout and the Catholic church after tolerating centuries of kiddie molestors.

    They are going to be find, but changed. Three thing coming for them. Rank Licensure, it will give them job mobility, you are license lieutenant able to go to any lieutenant position. Personal liability insurance, even if premium is reimburse by town, the insurance policy can still be pulled and they are out of a job like a physician. Camdem proved that restructuring departments brings down cost a lot and shuffles trouble makers out. All 3 means more career mobility, you won’t be stuck in and beholden to one town that might corrupt you, and vice versa corrupt will stay in one agency, which can be restructured or purged.

    Finally, we are likely going for a nice ride with the Virus.


  34. chicagofinance says:

    “A small boy says to his mother, Mom, I want to be a Soc!alist when I grow up! Mom replies, make up your mind, you can’t do both.”

  35. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    In policing if you can’t tolerate violence you won’t make it. You will end up with some violent people in the profession.

    That’s not a systemic issue. People with violent tendencies can be weeded out. The systemic issue is the corruption and political cover. That was the problem in Camden.

  36. FakeTruth istheEnemy says:

    Yes, the corruption cover was systemic at all levels. But when it hit the Camden City PD it was a WAY bigger problem based on the law. Cops have to testify in front of jury to convict, but what happens when the cop has a history of confirmed lying and known to the prosecutors (the famed Brady’s List of Brady cops for State/Federal prosecutors). Cases can’t be prosecuted because they will fall apart in trial. Camden City had over 80+% Bradies, they had to go.

    If you have the resources and you are in a criminal trial you go after the cop’s credibility, best seen in OJ Simpson vs Detective Furhman vs If it does not fit you must acquit because cop is a lier. Once in the Brady list there is no career future and likely firing in future if not outright based on the Police Department – NY State Trooper (you are gone) vs NJ State Trooper (keep you around till retirement).

    This goes into what I was saying before. The best way to keep everyone honest is to keep them moving from precinct/post regularly so they don’t build clicks and stick to rules, regulations and procedures. After all you are not likely to stick your neck out to cover your partner that you only know superficially for the last 3 months and you are being transferred in another 5 months. RCMP “Mounties” do it every 3 yrs minimally, FBI every 5 minimally.

    Licensure wil help people move from agency/job to others and not dependent on local politics. Individual malpractice insurance makes sure they have their job/career personal interests above all and restructuring creates opportunities and purges of problem people.

  37. Bystander says:

    Re job market. Here was a contact today. How man LoanIQ technical BAs are out there with accounting expertise as well?? I would think very few. They don’t even try to hide low-ball strategy anymore. What happened to fair market rate or similar language. Area is f-ed.

    Role: Loan IQ technical BA/Loan IQ Accounting SME
    Location: Jersey city NJ
    Rate: As per market (as low as possible )

  38. Glaring Light of Day says:

    With all the fecal matter spewing in the winds these days, how about changing the top for a few minutes: this weather reminds of time spent down south, so while I earn some greenbacks to pay the bills, I am listening to this…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8flItdqh8c&list=OLAK5uy_m_99da_ZRIrsI59k8C4VwaqJw5ns0fnZU&index=2

    It is amazing what genes can do (or not, see Elijah Blue Allman and Deadsy… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWjgS4O1Aes)

  39. JCer says:

    Yes there are issues with policing but I see the George Floyd situation as an indictment of the Minneapolis Police department and their political machine. Chauvin was known to be a rough cop, ex-military, saw combat, and he had a long history of questionable uses of force for example the guns drawn on 16 year old kids that were horsing around at a shopping mall among the other 15 or 20 so incidents of improper use of force. Police Unions and spineless politicians who were unwilling to address clear failings with the police in MN are to blame. Why the police there were still being trained on neck holds and this tactic was still permitted goes beyond incompetence.

    On the flip side Floyd had enough drugs(and a very dangerous combination) in his system that it probably would have killed any non-addict adult with almost absolute certainty, his blood concentration of fentanyl alone was at a comparable level to what was killing coke users getting tainted drugs. If someone as large as Floyd hopped up on drugs was indeed resisting arrest it is hard to make the judgement that he should not have been restrained. The length of time and the cold indifference of Officer Chauvin comes through in the video but it the situation is complicated.

    I still have difficulty seeing how they will convict on second degree murder as they need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he intended to kill him. Manslaughter is a slam dunk and 3rd degree murder a good case could be made. My view is Ellison is messing up here, prosecutorial overreach is a bad course of action. The original prosecution could have probably gotten something on the order of a 15-25 year prison sentence for Chauvin which I think is probably fair and would represent justice being served.

    The bigger issue I see is that instead of taking this as a case of a cop abusing power that went tragically wrong, we have BLM and Antifa marching on cities toppling statues, arguing for fundamental change.

    It seems Justice may well be served, crime happens, the trial needs to happen and all the evidence needs to be presented and then we can see about Justice being served. America is supposed to be a country of law, anarchy in the street is not how “Justice” is achieved. All these morons marching with signs that say “no justice, no peace” should grow up and be responsible. Peace is always the goal, mankind at all strata of society and all races prosper under peaceful conditions and unrest is almost always universally bad and brings negative consequences. I wish for both Justice and Peace for all people, demand justice yes but remember justice is a matter of our laws and we live with a system of laws that is imperfect but exists the way it does for very good reason so we need to reconcile our own preconceived bias and square that with what occurs in a court of law. The idea that idiot politicians are supporting these demonstrations in the middle of a pandemic is shameful, absolutely shameful. Trumps is a moron and a lot of these politicians on the right promoting risky behavior are reprehensible but so are these demonstrations which are in their essence have nothing to do with a man unjustly killed during an arrest and have everything to do with the election in November and ensuring the black community votes and votes for Biden.

  40. Bystander says:


    Absolute failure as a human being. A national disgrace who failed on every level and embarrassed this country globally. Only bigots and religious fanatics can continue the “poor misunderstood man” story at this point. His is now a laughingstock within own party if he was ever really a member. He was handed a great situation by Federal reserve policies during Obama end years. It was a layup but instead he made enemies all around, filled cabinet with incompetent dummies/family, and gave even more to the wealthy in tax cuts. In return the working man got nothing. Failed healthcare, failed wall, failed visa restriction/immigration, failed US manufacturing renewal, failed debt restraint. It was all marketing ploy. Selling steaks during his campaign should have been big red hat dolt sign but idiots still went for it. Not in 2020. It is ending as it should..a infantile, orange clown baby blaming everyone but his tan self. Pathetic term. Makes Jimmy Carter look like Lincoln.

  41. Fast Eddie says:

    He’ll get reelected.

  42. Bystander says:

    Sure, Ed, sure..what’s your take on Tulsa? Here is Trump’s new campaign medley. One of my Willie favorites actually.


  43. Fast Eddie says:

    Tulsa… meh. Everything is a crisis. What else is new? I won’t say Covid had anything to do with it because we’ll never know. Nor will we know if the TikTok trolling is, was real. It’s all about turnout, for sure. But, we’re still 4 plus months away and anything can happen. Many new crisis’ will be invented by the left. Be careful what you wish for because if Biden is elected and the AOC engine gains steam, you’ll never recognize elements of this country that you loved while growing up.

  44. Fast Eddie says:

    Then again, where is Biden? Does he know he’s running for president? Is he awake? Is he alive?

  45. JCer says:

    Eddie, that is the problem. Biden the corporate democrat is the trojan horse, look to see who his VP is. That is who will be running the show, kind of like George Bush and Dick Cheney/Karl Rove who were really running the show during his presidency. I have real concerns that the progressive wing of the democrat party is going to try and backdoor a very troublesome candidate, one who makes Sanders look like a beacon of capitalism and one who could not possibly get the presidential nomination through normal means. I get afraid when a party decides running the “Weekend at Bernie’s” candidate is a good idea!

    As bad as Trump is, he is the “Devil” we know and on a positive note his instability actually does keep our enemies up at night. The Chinese want him gone and that to me almost says that we should re-elect in light of the fact that he is running against what is essentially a corpse.

    There is a distinct irony that BLM says to go vote, presumably for Biden when he has the far worse record on minority incarceration than Trump who actually has begun to make some meaningful reform. Trump is a moron, no doubt, he is inexplicable but at least in this regard on policy he aligns better with the concerns of the minority community than Biden and lets not even get into if Kamala is the VP nominee.

  46. JCer says:

    My wife a fervent Trump hater and liberal democrat has stated in his ads, he looks like he’s having a stroke. Those ads are him at his best, it is a little concerning, she might sit out the election because she cannot vote Trump and isn’t thrilled at the prospect of someone who can’t string three sentences together reading a teleprompter in an ad will be in the highest office.

    I hear Booker isn’t doing anything maybe the Dems could nominate him, I actually think he could beat Trump as he’s a moderate and would likely get a good minority turnout. At least he is actually alive and functioning, whose idea was this anyway. this is worse than when the republicans ran Dole.

  47. JCer says:

    Why if you are black, you probably should not be voting for Joe Biden……


    BLM activists should probably work on reading comprehension before trying to influence public policy……..

  48. No One says:

    Free parenting advice from Salon. Conform or be cancelled. Almost self-parody.
    Slate: I Think I’ve Screwed Up the Way My Kids Think About Race.

  49. AP says:

    Trump this week reminded one of the Pied Piper of Hamelin, playing an old and familiar tune in Tulsa. But the forest is getting darker. Are they still following without fear or trepidation? Will they keep following him? Where will he lead them to next?

    Once he’s gone, will they find their way back home? Or will a new Piper lead them further down the road?

  50. crushednjmillenial says:

    The president will apparently will suspend H1B for the rest of 2020 by executive order. I suppose he is finally gearing up for November in earnest.


  51. Bystander says:

    “his instability actually does keep our enemies up at night”

    Keeps me up at night too. It also keeps up every military leader, intelligence head, foreign policy head that has come near his administration. I guess that could be spun as a positive but instability / lack of strategy is not same as Ulysses and the Trojan Wars. There is no higher intelligence at work, no matter how Insane Orange clown supporters want to project it on Dumpy. China knows US corps pull the strings and they won’t repatriate jobs back to US as they like becoming rich off of slave labor pools. If you believe in checks and balances then not sure why true Rs don’t just sit this one out. Rid the scourge of orange charlatan pretending he has a clue how to run a country. Regroup and get your party back. It is lost.

  52. Bystander says:

    We’ll see. My IB has struggled all year to fill roles. No additional US hires. We have one Indian H1b taking lone US role. We are six months behind on projects yet no one cares. Take budget back and replan for next year. They simply will not open purse strings. Trying to push contractor rates down farther and farther and stagnate the perms via no wage increases/crap bonuses.

    When people ask why I am sour on NYC. Here is why. Good ole Goldman. $250 share price recently and yet continually screwing NYC workers.

    “Like technology firms, Wall Street banks are big users of H1B visas. Last year, Goldman Sachs applied for 1,146 H1B visas in New York (including renewals) according to the H1B visa database of figures provided by the U.S. government. That’s a lot when you consider that Goldman only has 5,583 currently registered employees in New York according to FINRA.

  53. homeboken says:

    Did not see any of the Tulsa rally but read the reports of sparse turnout. Interesting, as I also remember reading that they had over 1 million tix request. Something doesn’t add up.

    You know what does add up – TV ratings. 7.7 million viewers on FOX for Tulsa event. No clue about on-line streaming #’s.

  54. JCer says:

    There are a few things that may have happened. Ticket requests from people with no intention of going is one, this is what the left has claimed. Other possibilities include fear of Covid or the BLM protests.

    Bystander, Trump is here to burn it all down. The existing political paradigm is fundamentally broken, that is why he was elected. Yes he is totally incompetent but that is a positive because if he were competent who knows what he could get done. On the issues the left began to drive down a road towards the edge of a cliff. From the standpoint of policy the left is totally out of hand and out of touch with Americans. It took a stark raving mad man for someone to say something to China. On the policy front somehow Trump represents the more sane policy. On foreign policy his batsh*t way of doing things which infuriates everyone involved seems to have yielded better results than Obama’s totally ineffective policies. Many of these political insiders who are speaking out against Trump have their own axes to grind.

    Bystander, companies like GS deserve a swift kick as does your employer and mine. My wife was complaining about having to post what amount to non-existent jobs looking for an american worker for a role they already have earmarked for someone from india. It is a matter of dollars and cents, they can bring their existing workers over more cheaply, my wife’s comment was I have no doubt I can find an american citizen who can do this job…. My wife is the New York regional head for her area and they cannot hire here which drives her nuts it SLC or preferable India. When someone quits they are backfilled either in SLC or India.

  55. JCer says:

    Bystander also on GS they are talking about registered employees, most low level tech and ops folks aren’t registered(no series 7). Why pay to maintain it if the function does not require it.

  56. BoomerRemover says:

    A large amount of tickets were requested by persons who had no intention on showing up. This was an international movement. It doesn’t look like any sort of rudimentary IP filtering was employed.

  57. Bystander says:


    Sorry JC I don’t get the logic about his incompetence being desirable. It smells like projection. I will disagree that he was sent to burn it all down. He spoke to fears of white America and promised return of American manufacturing, nothing more. He delivered nothing because he is a charlatan. He thinks people fear him and lacks intelligence, at both IQ and emotional levels. Obama put tariffs on Chinese tires. Trump caved on China deal bc stock market is all that matters to him. There was nothing but empty promises in that deal. In fact, are they being held to it this year..or next? Trump does nothing new. He simply brands it and then talks it up.

    How many staff does GS have in city? I figured 6k was about right.

  58. grim says:

    Contact tracing largely failing. Don’t ask me how I know this.

    Only about 1/4 – 1/3 of the people who are able to be contacted are providing any information at all. The vast majority, 2/3 – 3/4, are refusing to provide any information about their whereabouts and who they were in contact with, citing privacy and security concerns. Less than half of those testing positive are successfully reached, meaning roughly 1/8th of those testing positive are providing any real details of who they were in contact with, and even those are tending to provide very ambiguous detail, impossible to contact trace, “I went to the food store sometime in the morning, I have no idea who I was in contact with.” This kind of information is not actioned at all. Contact tracing largely a failure, with thousands of contact tracers around the world just twiddling their thumbs for 8 hours. In the very, very, very rare case things actually work as planned, it’s turning out the infected individual has already contacted those persons directly, and the tracer is not providing any additional value at all, yet still going through the motions. Lots of individuals who are part of follow up calls are simply saying they feel like the call is a scam, because contact tracers can’t reveal any information about who may have been in contact.

    Have solid information that a number of large national governments are solidly second guessing passing on Apple/Google digital contact tracing schemes. Nearly all of their locally developed apps are completely worthless, and people are largely uncooperative with contact tracers.

  59. njtownhomer says:

    With the suspension stupidity (the right decision would be in phases in transitions, not like this), the outsourcing will be stronger than ever.

    Don’t wait to fill US jobs on those positions, it will go foreign subsidiaries in India, China and East Europe. These positions will be removed from US labor force for good.

    Trump acting in sync with Erdogan, abrupt, improvised and non-prepared policy actions. Trying to block Bolton book, dismissal of Berman and this in 1 week time.

  60. June says:

    “As for the broader market, he says “the single-biggest factor in determining valuations are interest rates,” and as long as they stay low, or even rise slowly, equities will perform. The less-risky alternatives just don’t have enough upside in this climate, Cohen said.”

  61. JCer says:

    H1B’s are complex, there are 3 categories as I see it.

    First legitimate, these are very qualified people that we should allow in. Unfortunately these people do not make up the majority. They actually have real difficulty getting the visas.

    Next you have the people companies are using to lower wages. These people maybe qualified but are not anything special besides the fact they will work for 2/3rds a US worker salary. This is the majority of what corporate America is trying to get.

    Third you have the sweat shops, these are the foreign vendors(Infosys, Cognizant, EPAM, etc). Here the idea is they bring these people in who ferry the work back to the mother country where engineers work for $8 an hour. They are the biggest abusers by far, without the 20% on the ground the offshore model falls apart. US folks won’t take a role ferrying the work it is simply too many hours and the communication tends to be difficult, how are you going to work US hours and then communicate to overseas extensively?

    Stopping them outright isn’t the best course of action, but I think clowngress would need to get involved. The answer really is setting the salaries so high it would clear out a lot of the illegitimate visas.

    As for GS, I’d wager there are a bit more in NYC office because most of the ops jobs have been moved to value locations. Most of the H1B’s they want are for those value locations.

  62. ExEssex says:

    These four walls are closing in:


  63. ExEssex says:

    One more: https://youtu.be/4CSSnrY3Ezs

    1992 folks

  64. BoomerRemover says:

    LAX installed one of those fancy thermal imaging checkpoints to weed out those who have been contagious for some time. LAX CEO gets on and says they are going to give feverish travelers advice that they should not fly but will not stop them and let them continue towards their destination.

    What’s the point? Right, freedumz.

  65. grim says:

    Trump proposing that H1B be awarded in a reverse auction, granted only to the highest salaries per class. This is brilliant, though I’d like to see caps.

  66. Juice Box says:

    40 million unemployed yet we want to bring in another 600,000 immigrant workers under H-1B, H-4, H-2B, L-1, L-2, and J-1 visa programs?

    How many existing H-1Bs have passed 60 day grace period now? How about hire them before bringing in new people?

    Bloomberg reported last week about 200,000 must go home now.


  67. Juice Box says:

    re: “thermal imaging checkpoint”

    We have one installed now, a co-worker of mine who goes in regularly ( to get away from wife) says it’s cheap and not accurate. Security has however been instructed to send you home to work if you have a fever.

    With a little “engineering” I bet we can make that device register everyone with a “fever” or perhaps just the bosses LoL….

  68. Juice Box says:

    Back to the Wuhan Wheeze.

    “Now, a new study from Penn State estimates that the number of early COVID-19 cases in the U.S. may have been more than 80 times greater and doubled nearly twice as fast as originally believed.

    Remarkably, the size of the observed surge of excess ILI (e Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s influenza-like illnesses (ILI) surveillance data) corresponds to more than 8.7 million new cases during the last three weeks of March, compared to the roughly 100,000 cases that were officially reported during the same time period.”


  69. Grim says:

    Not surprising.

  70. Juice Box says:

    That bronze statue they tried to pull-down last night weighs 15 tons and was cast into 10 different solid pieces and then assembled onsite, it has stood for nearly 150 years. It is a tribute to the Battle of New Orleans at the end of the War of 1812 where Americans defeated an invading British forces. The British sent 48,000 troops during that war and were bent on the destruction of our new country, we defeated them and saved Democracy for the world, yet they want to destroy that memory too.

    What’s next Jesus? Oh wait……

  71. Hold my beer says:


    I thought vast majority of unemployed in both numbers and percentage from corona were customer service like jobs in restaurants, tourism, and retail making less than 40k a year

  72. Chicago says:

    FabMax has something in common with the US soldier just arrested.

    O9A seeks to harness supernatural forces and overthrow the alleged ‘Nazarene/Magian’ [Jewish] influence on society, reduce the population of ‘mundanes’ through acts of extreme barbarism, and usher in a new imperial [age] ruled by a race of Satanic supermen who would colonize the solar system,” the group wrote in its 2020 report.

    The feds described the white supremacist outfit in alarming terms, and quoted from one document in which they praised Adolf Hitler.

    “Adolf Hitler was sent by our gods to guide us to greatness. We believe in the inequality of races and in the right of the Aryan to live according to the law of the folk. We acknowledge that the story of the Jewish ‘holocaust’ [sic] is a lie to keep our race in chains and express our desire to see the truth revealed. We believe in justice for our oppressed comrades and seek an end to the world-wide persecution of National- Social!sts,” it read.

  73. Bystander says:


    I give credit where it is due. Good that Dumpy did this, but 3.5 years late. He was supposed to do this day 1. I agree that there is a use for visa, maybe 10k each year to keep best of best. We have emergency resource hiring mtg with our IT head this morning about vendor roles..hmm. Should be interesting.

  74. homeboken says:

    Interesting to me to read how many on this board are directly impacted in their career due to the expansion and shrinking of the programs. That can’t be a very comfortable risk position to be in. I don’t envy you.

  75. homeboken says:

    Programs = foreign worker programs.

  76. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Juice these people don’t know a thing about the HERO or us contribution to liberty. It was a very clever hoax by the left this time. Using racial grievances to advance the full Marxist agenda.

    People are seeing through it hut there is still fear of the cancel culture and victories have been won by the left, namely weakening society’s institutions.

    The plan for the time being is patience. Squeeze these groups were you can both in the streets and in the courts and let them turn on themselves and implode the way they always do. Progressives gain power by destroying, its their dna.

  77. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    If you ask why there is near consensus in the propaganda industry that the death of a middle age ex con justifies coast to coast rioting but an innocent toddler shot to death in a car seat isn’t newsworthy you will be attacked. Tells you a lot about the phony nature of the riots, the coverage and what the real motives are. Threats and intimidation are the tools, the truth is the enemy.

  78. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Also a 13, 14 and 17 year old were shot to death. The propaganda industry is mute.

  79. 1987 Condo says:

    Regarding VISA issue, I have been confused as to what “side” is right…I hear the Bystander argument but then the Times adds this:

    Business leaders were aghast, particularly in tech, which accounts for about three-quarters of all H-1B visas:

    • “This is a full-frontal attack on American innovation and our nation’s ability to benefit from attracting talent from around the world,” said Todd Schulte of FWD.us, a pro-immigration advocacy group for big tech companies.

    • “America’s continued success depends on companies having access to the best talent from around the world,” Google said. The tech giant’s C.E.O., Sundar Pichai — who was born in India — tweeted: “Disappointed by today’s proclamation.”

    • “Preventing high skilled professionals from entering the country and contributing to America’s economic recovery puts American’s global competitiveness at risk,” Amazon said.

    • “Highly-skilled visa holders play a critical role in driving innovation,” Facebook said, “and that’s something we should encourage, not restrict.”

    • “Putting up a ‘not welcome’ sign for engineers, executives, IT experts, doctors, nurses and other workers won’t help our country, it will hold us back,” said Thomas Donohue of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

  80. Fast Eddie says:

    French drugmaker Sanofi (SNY, SNYNF) said on Tuesday that it anticipates it will receive approval for its potential Covid-19 vaccine it is creating with GlaxoSmithKline in the first half of 2021, which if successful would then be available in the second half of next year.


  81. Fast Eddie says:

    “President Donald Trump said he “authorized” the federal government to “arrest anyone who vandalizes or destroys any monument, statue or other such Federal property in the U.S.”


  82. joyce says:


    The Times is wrong.

  83. Juice Box says:

    Condo – Demand far exceeds the availability of Visas, there will be no shortage of qualified (insert profession here) clamoring to move and live the American Dream when this six month pause in new work Visas is lifted.

    What other nation on the planet takes in over a million immigrants a year after year after year? A pause in Work Visas in warranted here, there are now 40 million workers unemployed to choose from now.

    Fixing the problems with the system is problematic as the legislators are loathe to upset the donor class.

  84. Juice Box says:

    Eddie – useful idiots..

    It looks to me like they pulled back the new ring fences around Lafayette Park to let the protesters near that monument and the White House again. Park Police weren’t swinging billy clubs either.

  85. njtownhomer says:

    out of 40M unemployed, try to find a qualified H1B candidate
    – assistant professor our of a good US university
    – lab worker for pharma
    – semiconductor modeling and simulation engineer
    – LIDAR designer
    – Electro-magnetic expert
    – Abstract math instructor

    and on and on. I understand the TATA’s, PWC, KPMG etc abused the system and it should have been acted on, but shutdown this will only hurt in net value.

  86. Juice Box says:

    Hurt who’s net value, surely not the company. If there is a magical glut of LIDAR trained talent overseas they can work remote and save tons of money offshoring for the length of the project. Why should companies commit to a long term expense at all?

    We offshore all them time, remote workers in all corners of the globe. I have some great 3D engineers working out of Karachi and heck some decent data center folks in Lhasa, that would be in Tibet.

    Covid19 has proven there is no need to bring trained workers here unless they need to be hands on like a doctor, and even tele-medicine is challenging some of that work.

  87. Phoenix says:


    If America does not have enough of those types of workers it’s because it’s best and brightest would rather go into finance where the real money is made.

  88. Bystander says:


    I think Dumpy is right about letting salaries decide. The tech giants, WS, pharma etc. will still pay top dollar for great developers and tech leads. The problem is that they need lots of middle and low level folks underneath to support builds, project coordination activities, testing and release management (plus loads of red tape/IT audit stuff). The people quoted know that this is where it will hurt. It is a mass cultural change and production will get hit big time. The H1bs on our team work 12-14 hours each day plus weekends to support our insane workload. These big companies thrive on H1b fear of being let go and not sponsored. They hold green cards over their heads for years. They do work of 2 resources easily. You insert Americans into process who hear 5 oclock whistle and hit the beach on Saturday and so much of cheap IT strategy falls apart.

  89. Phoenix says:

    “Covid19 has proven there is no need to bring trained workers here unless they need to be hands on like a doctor, and even tele-medicine is challenging some of that work.”

    But as a lawyer you have to be licensed in the state you practice in. Wonder how long it will be before individuals can file a motion and Zoom a judge from our dining room. Lawyers are doing it now.

    It’s time to do away with single judges. Tribunals should be easy with Zoom.

  90. njtownhomer says:

    “If there is a magical glut of LIDAR trained talent overseas they can work remote and
    save tons of money offshoring for the length of the project.”

    The glut doesn’t have a chance to exists since most of the trained talent is currently doing graduate studies in US university, soon to return to their origin with their talents at hand. Also regarding the new grad students that want to try out here and spend fortunes here, we are simply saying, try Germany/Canada instead.

    I understand the counter arguments, but still disagree on the net effect of the decision.

  91. Bystander says:

    Nj town,

    Indians can get Canadian citizenship in a few years, unlike US. I just read that went from 9K to 18K in 2019. If this sticks, expect lots of Indian outsourcers to expand shop in Toronto and Vancouver asap.

  92. chicagofinance says:

    Guess who is FabMax’s favorite actor?
    “Braveheart” is in hot water yet again.

    Just when you thought Mel Gibson was back in Hollywood’s good graces, actress Winona Ryder has alleged that the 64-year-old actor slandered her with an anti-Semitic slur while they were at a party in 1995. The “Stranger Things” star dropped the bombshell, which was first reported by GQ in 2010, while discussing her experiences with anti-Semitism in Hollywood in an interview with the UK-based Sunday Times.

    “We were at a crowded party with one of my good friends, and Mel Gibson was smoking a cigar,” Ryder, 48, told the news outlet. She added that something came up about the Jewish faith, at which point the “Mad Max” actor said, “You’re not an oven dodger, are you?” — an apparent reference to the way bodies of Jewish prisoners were incinerated in Nazi death camps.

  93. Bystander says:

    I will also say, you will want absolutely no part of being a salaried US IT worker during this period. They will work you to death, trying to restabilize their production support. Demand hourly rates. I don’t think this will get very far. Companies will pressure Congress. This will be wait and see until after election.

  94. JCer says:

    Bystander ding, ding, ding we have a winner. Without the indentured class IT Offshoring has a lot of issues. First off cultural communication, I have a very hard time talking to these folks, I don’t really understand them nor do they really understand me. Next without these people essentially double shifting it becomes hard to pass the information to the offshore team. From my vantage point the business decisions are made in the office here, as are the technology decisions. Senior management likes to keep the decision making local and since your users are local that piece of interaction is key. Systems and IT are not built in a vacuum, you need to keep your revenue producers happy that is the golden rule.

    I say this as someone who is building a system as we speak where development is 100% offshore, we were supposed to get a lead on a visa a year ago but his visa was denied. It is a challenge we have a lot of difficulty with the offshore development team, we have a scrum master here who is working 14 hours a day trying to bridge the gap and they are leaning on the architects to handle all the interactions with the client, users, product areas, etc it is not productive. Playing telephone with a bunch of engineers(I use this term loosely, a good portion of Indian education is on par with community college) on the other side of the world does not yield a good product.

    Let the salaries decide, we should bring in people who are truly brilliant, bringing in middling engineers and PM’s just dilutes salaries. I don’t care where you are from if a company is willing to pay you 200 or 300k a year by all means come and pay taxes. When Tata brings over a boat load of PM’s they are paying 50k each to, eh not so much.

  95. ExEssex says:

    11:33 I’d love to kick Gibson in his dusty nutsack.

  96. JCer says:

    Bystander we are already there, my firm has been doing it for about a year or 2. When I was at MS we had offshore consultants in Mexico, Indians in Guadalajara! I don’t understand how that works, whats the appeal to the Indian worker, yeah we want to transfer you from one third world country to another where the customs and language are foreign…right…I’m sure they have a lot of people signing up for that! Without the indentured aspects of visa the appeal wears thin, once someone is a citizen they don’t need to work for peanuts and do 14hr days. Exploitation is key to this model of business, it is almost like modern day slavery, they get these people away from home and lord their status over them.

  97. JCer says:

    Bystander just like in manufacturing it will be hard short term but it is ultimately the right course of action. We need to keep more money in the hands of consumers and we need to make opportunity for America’s middle class. Compnaies would push US workers for concessions but the shortage would put us back in the drivers seat in short time, these businesses cannot run themselves and are totally incapacitated without technology.

    We need to do work here, it is the only way. Just image what would happen if India and China went to war. We would not have any manufactured goods nor any IT workers…….

  98. 3b says:

    Bystander:Biden will do his corporate masters bidding, and the visas will be restored. Amazing so many Americans believe we will reach the promised land when Trump is gone, but Biden?? Seriously??

  99. Bystander says:


    I have been out of consulting since 2013. I am sure it is more dispersed than ever but banks that I work have restrictions on location, even for contractors. All must be in central location with apperance of oversight (though asking one person to do dev and manage 40 people is a joke).

    You’ll love this – two IT PM roles back to back in my inbox, just now. That has not happened since Feb. Things have been rattled already. Clearly, folks from India can’t come and now desperation…hah, go Dumpy. Never say that again.

  100. ExEssex says:

    Dumpy needs to get off his fat ass.
    Bottom line it’s probably way too little too late.
    Guess he might as well go golfing.

  101. Fast Eddie says:

    Seattle will move to dismantle protest zone, mayor says…


    I can’t wait to see this in action!! Who gets the blame for the resistance?

  102. Asking for a friend says:

    Lurker here looking for a first-hand recommendation for a family attorney. I understand some of the more prolific posters have some experience in this area… much obliged.

  103. Fast Eddie says:

    I’m currently reading “The Masada Plan” which is a fictitious novel so to speak based on real places and events. Masada is an enormous piece of a rock plateau in Israel. Go look it up and read the history. So, it occurred to me that the Jews have been vilified, scorned, attacked and assailed for a few thousand years. Despite it, they’ve fought and prevailed time and time again. How did they do it? They believed in a strong family structure, hard work, community and most of all, education. They didn’t ask for special treatment or endless compensations. It would behoove other cultures to follow their example because it remarkably works.

  104. JCer says:

    Bystander, key as a consultant is an hourly rate not a day rate. The people with hourly rates are clocking 60+ hrs a week and killing it. The day rate guys are working close to the same hours for way less money. You want to be like taxicab with a meter running. Rates are anywhere from 125-200 per hour and we have some exec consultants getting 300+ per hour but they aren’t billing that many hours. Some even are getting an expense allowance as well covering commuting costs! Given how cheap these companies are it is mind blowing to see invoices for 40-50k for 1 consultant for one month.

  105. Bystander says:


    Sorry, I also don’t believe this is more than campaign play by Orange clown. Now, he will tout how his saved American jobs. It is 3.5 years late and believe me, big corp lobbyists will be up in arms. Dumpy will restore it too. We are owned

  106. Libturd says:

    “Progressives gain power by destroying, its their dna.”

    Love me those stupid generalizations. It seems it’s all the right has remaining in their repository.

    If Trump had any chance of being reelected, it was destroyed through his anti-mask campaign. The tide has turned in Florida and it’s getting worse and worse in nearly every red state. At least around here, everyone wears masks indoors in public places. In red country, it’s become a sign of weakness. How incredibly stupid. My dad has now turned from Trump now that they are seeing people dying and not just hearing about it on the news. Trump is truly a moron and now even some of his most devoted are finally realizing it. The trend is pretty clear.


    The right will continue to try to make the narrative about the ineffectiveness and disappearance of Biden. But this election is not about Biden. Unless they figure this out (and they won’t), they are facing a blue tidal wave of in November. Perhaps Trump’s action on the H1B is a step in the right direction?

    Grim, on contact tracing. Before covid was classified a pandemic, someone pretty high up at MS shared with me a report on how they expected Covid to be handled in the US. Supposedly this report only went out to high-income individuals. As much as I hate to admit it when anyone on Wall Street is right, they were 100% correct. The jest of it was that there would be too many liberty loving Americans who would never listen to medical expert’s recommendations. So the controls put in place in Wuhan would not happen here. This was back in late February. It also called for the hoarding and expected the FED to cut rates to where it is currently in June. As for how it would infect the economy, it gave best, probable and worst case scenarios. So far, we are landing somewhere between the best and probable. But I don’t know how these maskless states are going to go on without shutting things down again which should prompt another market sell-off.

    As for everything everyone is saying on Biden. I think the thought process about the importance of his VP is very right. He would not be beyond stepping down if his senility gets the best of him. Though, where I see a big mistake in theory is on the continued progressivism. As long as the DNC continues to exist, the center is safe. Heck, the DNC concocted the whole scheme to get the PAC leader elected when it appeared to be completely unlikely. As to AOC and crew driving the party further left? The right is flat-out wrong about this. The push to the left is a direct result of Trump’s populism, racism and xenophobia that was once again on clear display in many facets of his Tulsa rally.

    As for the FOX ratings of the rally? I watched as did a lot of my friends on the left. It’s become a mirror of the Stern show. You don’t watch because you agree with it. You watch to see what shocking thing Trump will do next. For Stern, it’s a win. For Trump, no one is going to pay to subscribe for another 4 years.

  107. leftwing says:

    Lib, you lyin’ dog faced pony soldier, you!!!!!!

  108. Libturd says:

    What? Where? When? What?

  109. Libturd says:

    I just looked it up. Never heard of it before now. But yes, he is pretty clueless at times. Heck, I’m still 49 and I have already started to forget things. It sucks!

  110. ExEssex says:

    1:11 I’ve stood atop Masada at sunset.
    No more inspiring place on the planet.

  111. 3b says:

    Lib I agree with most of what you said, save the left and Trump, this did not all happen in less than 4 years. This has been brewing for years, many who voted for Trump would have voted for Sanders, if that I am convinced.

    Now it’s the left with AOC, and the looting and autonomous zones tear it all down mentalist. Corporate America and the bought and paid for politicians have destroyed the country, what you are seeing now are the results.2024 will be the real test, and I don’t think the DNC can hold the center. The Republicans on the other hand are finished.

  112. Fast Eddie says:


    I read the history of Masada… truly amazing how they endured the era of the Roman siege.

  113. leftwing says:

    Back in the day I did a number of transactions in Israel. One was a family owned business, three sons. For the ‘closing dinner’ they arranged for an IDF pilot and a helicopter. Took us across the desert, dipped down into the canyons, below grade, walls out each window….they had that damn thing sideways going through some areas at a speed I don’t even want to guess. Level out and pop up to that massive flattop rock in front of us. Landed on top of it, put out tables and food, ate, toured, and hopped the chopper back to Tel Aviv.

    Top ten closing dinner for sure. Beat the hell out of another tired steakhouse.

  114. Fast Eddie says:


    Great story!

  115. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Racism is on life support — kept alive by politicians, race hustlers & people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as “racists.”- Thomas Sowell

    “One of the bittersweet things about growing old is realizing how mistaken you were when you were young. As a young political leftist, I saw the left as the voice of the common man. Nothing could be further from the truth.”-Thomas Sowell

  116. leftwing says:

    Fast, have better R rated one that includes a joint of lesser repute, my ECM Head, and rubber gloves. Gives a whole new meaning to kosher. LOL.

  117. Fast Eddie says:

    An even better story! Do tell! :)

  118. Hold my beer says:

    DFW area is about to get lit up like a christmas tree.

    Tarrant county reported a 20% increase in hospitalizations in one day.


    Texas breaks 5,000 daily cases for the first time.

    Dallas daily cases have doubled since June 1st. New hospitalization record today too.

    Still lots of people not wearing masks when I was out this morning.

    Biden is now almost tied with Trump in Texas. I think his anti mask campaign and downplaying corona is going to be his undoing.

  119. ExEssex says:

    You can do a lot worse than live out your days on a kibbutz.

  120. Fabius Maximus says:


    Wow, you got issues. I don’t know why you keep projecting this Tribe Hate, but you should really talk to someone about it.

  121. ExEssex says:

    The Orange County Health Care Agency reported on Tuesday, June 23, another 147 new cases of coronavirus to raise the cumulative total tracked in the county to 10,737 cases since testing began.

    About 5,600 of those cases have been reported in the last 30 days. The seven-day average for cases is 256.

    There were four new deaths reported on Tuesday to increase the total number of people who have died to 273, of which 138 have been among residents of skilled nursing facilities.

  122. TuesdayDriver says:

    Data supporting the notion that America is no longer racist. Why is this never talked about in the news? Instead they cling to this idea that the country is racist…data says otherwise.

    “In U.S., 87% Approve of Black-White Marriage, vs. 4% in 1958
    Ninety-six percent of blacks, 84% of whites approve”


  123. chicagofinance says:

    Don’t shave the morning you go to the Dead Sea……

    ExEssex says:
    June 23, 2020 at 2:43 pm
    1:11 I’ve stood atop Masada at sunset.
    No more inspiring place on the planet.

  124. chicagofinance says:

    Top of Mt. Sinai several hours before dawn….

    ExEssex says:
    June 23, 2020 at 2:43 pm
    No more inspiring place on the planet.

  125. grim says:

    Moses ain’t got shit on the sunrise on Haleakalā.

  126. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Democrats and Republicans seem to agree that more-uniform data collection among police agencies would be a good thing. They’re right, but it’s no guarantee that the media will report the additional data or put it in context. We have plenty of data right now. Police shootings have fallen precipitously since the 1970s. Upward of 95% of black homicides in the U.S. don’t involve law enforcement. Empirical studies have found no racial bias in police use of deadly force, and that the racial disparities that do exist stem from racial differences in criminal behavior. The problem isn’t a shortage of data but a race-based narrative that is immune to any data that challenge it.”


  127. Libturd says:

    Moses ain’t got shit on the sunrise on Haleakalā.

    I did that. It was pretty incredible. Then we rode our bikes back down to sea level praying the brakes would work the entire way.

  128. Chicago says:

    Lib: tremendous

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