C19 Open Discussion Week 39b

From Science:

CDC advisory panel takes first shot at prioritizing who gets the first shots of COVID-19 vaccines

Health care workers and elderly people living in long-term care facilities should receive top priority for COVID-19 vaccines in the United States if, as expected, one or more becomes available next month in limited supply. That’s what a group that advises the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on such fraught issues decided today in a near unanimous vote.

After hearing detailed presentations from CDC scientists who explained the rationale for this specific prioritization scheme, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) voted 13 to 1 to support their proposal. Under the scheme,  the first phase of vaccination, known as 1a, would begin with about 21 million healthcare workers and about 3 million adults who live longterm care facilities. As spelled out in the four-hour long virtual meeting, these groups are at highest risk of becoming seriously ill or even dying from COVID-19, and protecting them first, in turn, reduces the burden on society.

“I agree strongly with the decision of the committee,” says Stanley Perlman, a veteran coronavirus researcher and clinician at the University of Iowa who advised the ACIP but is not part of it. “The discussions were incredibly thoughtful with everyone recognizing that we needed to make difficult choices. Of course these allocation issues will become irrelevant once there are enough doses of useful vaccines.”

CDC representatives spelled out the allocation plans for Phase 1b and 1c, but the advisory committee did not discuss those today. The proposed phase 1b would target “essential workers”—for example, school staff, police, grocery workers, and bus drivers–while phase 1c would target adults over 65 and adults of any age who have high-risk medical conditions. The CDC now must decide on whether to accept the phase 1a recommendation, and then states and local jurisdiction will make the final decisions about this and later prioritizations.

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122 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 39b

  1. Juice Box says:

    The one dissent vote did not want to give the vaccine to the elderly.

    Kick her out!

  2. Juice Box says:

    Hilarious!

    essential workers”—for example, school staff, police, grocery workers, and bus drivers”

    So Mr. Scungilli working from home teaching gets the vaccine and a kid stocking shelves at Shop Rite gets the vaccine before Grandma?

  3. Walking says:

    Juice box, I guess the thought process is why should a kid working in an amazon warehouse with 300 people shoulder to shoulder and minimal fresh air, die from covid so grandma sitting at home watching the price is right can live a few years more.

  4. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Joe Biden’s eco­nomic team is tak­ing shape with plans to re­make the Trump ad­min­is­tra­tion’s ap­proach to eco­nomic re­la­tions over­seas, with a dis­tinc­tion: agree­ment with Pres­i­dent Trump’s as­ser­tion that glob­al­iza­tion has been hard on many Amer­i­cans but dif­fer­ences on how to ad­dress it.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-economic-team-trade-trump-globalization-11606848311?st=nhnixf1igel4g4s&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  5. BRT says:

    not my story
    “Rushing everywhere to get drinks, etc. I stopped at Starbucks for a coffee. $2.48–I give the attendant $2.53. He gives me back 3 cents telling me I’ve paid too much, and then proceeds to tell me he doesn’t have any pennies to give me change. You can’t make
    stories like this up.”

    This was accomplished before we decided it was a wise move to keep kids home “learning” for nearly 12 months.

  6. rus says:

    As to who should get the vaccine.
    Obv, would not happen.

    https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-vaccine-super-spreaders/

  7. ExEssex says:

    Forget “Government Sachs” — it’s BlackRock that’s shaping up to become Wall Street’s new elephant inside the White House.

    President-elect Joe Biden is raising eyebrows with chatter that he’s poised to name two executives from BlackRock — the asset-management colossus headed by billionaire Larry Fink, with more than $7 trillion in holdings — for top posts on his economic team.

    Reports swirled over the weekend that Biden has settled on Brian Deese, a current BlackRock executive and former adviser to President Barack Obama, to lead the National Economic Council. On Sunday, Biden’s transition team said it has chosen Adewale “Wally” Adeyemo, a former chief of staff to Fink at BlackRock who is currently president of the Obama Foundation, to be deputy to Treasury secretary nominee Janet Yellen.

  8. 3b says:

    Essex Back to business as usual in D.C. old Joe the 47 year bought and paid for corrupt politician.

  9. Very Stable Genius says:

    Barr Acknowledges Justice Dept. Has Found No Widespread Voter Fraud

    The attorney general’s comments were a rebuke of the president’s increasingly spurious claims about election fraud.

    Attorney General William P. Barr said he had not seen fraud “on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”Credit…Al Drago for The New York Times
    Katie BennerMichael S. Schmidt
    By Katie Benner and Michael S. Schmidt

    Dec. 1, 2020
    WASHINGTON — Attorney General William P. Barr acknowledged on Tuesday that the Justice Department has uncovered no voting fraud “on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,” a striking repudiation of President Trump’s groundless claims that he was defrauded.

  10. Bystander says:

    3b,

    The fallacy is believing Trump did something different. It is a swamp of nepotism and connections over qualifications. Always has been, always will be..

  11. 3b says:

    Bystander: I never mentioned Trump. Trump was a disaster, but he was not a bought and paid for career politician.

  12. Walking says:

    Question for the group. What’s the best way to sell a car? I have a 12 year old mercedes ml 350 with 180k mikes. Still runs but needs about $8000 in work (power steering rack can shaft /timing chain, rear air bags, ) and now new plugs and coil.

    I looked at an online junkyard and they offered $975, pick up will be at my home. So the convienance is nice. Just wondering if I’ll get much more at a dealer or not worth my time driving around on a Saturday.

  13. Bystander says:

    3b,

    “Back to business as usual” – I don’t there was any misinterpretation there.

  14. Fast Eddie says:

    Tackle the virus, Joe? Sorry, Trump already did it.

  15. ExEssex says:

    9:44 correction Eddie….the virus tackled Trump.

  16. Phoenix says:

    So no “stimulus” for the average Joe. Looks like the “state and local governments” need more help than some guy who just missed a car payment.

    Government doing what it does best, feeding it’s own bariatric sized face.

    “Members of Congress from both houses and both parties on Tuesday proposed a $908 billion coronavirus stimulus bill that included enhanced unemployment benefits, help for small businesses, and aid for state and local governments.

    But it does not include a second round of $1,200 stimulus checks.”

  17. Phoenix says:

    The Virus “tackled” Americans. Cause Dem or Repub, they are all going to do what THEY want.

    It’s the American way.

    Let them do it. Spew virus everywhere. Apparently in America it’s an individuals job to protect themselves, so that is what you do. The police multiple times have said they were not going to enforce orders “they don’t like.” It’s a bit rogue and unlawful don’t you think?

    Karen’s, your middle age darlings running around screaming and spitting, no stopping that either. Christ first you give them electricity, dishwashers and appliances to make their lives easier, next it’s a beautiful 50k kitchen to make them happy, now it’s too much work to cook for Thanksgiving in the Amoretti pots on the Viking stove. Let’s just use Uber eats honey.

    Best hope is this vaccine works and does not give the recipients of it major problems. It’s one politically motivated vaccine. The muppet of choice who takes credit for it over the egghead who actually developed it really wants a pat on the back for doing absolutely nothing other than spend the money of others.

  18. Bystander says:

    More like the virus tackled Trump..one term loser.

  19. 3b says:

    Walking: From what I understand dealers don’t want old used cars, pain to get rid of.

  20. Fast Eddie says:

    O’Biden = Oblammy 2.0. What’s laughable is that O’Biden claims to be putting together a diverse staff but diversity to a bleeding heart whiner is based on color and gender. Diversity to a classical American means people of different backgrounds, soci0-economic roots, education levels, different career paths and those who possess the ability to listen, reason and debate. Color and gender is not part of the equation.

    But for progressive charlatans, diversity means all who have the same exact view; those liberal elitists who claim they know what’s best for you because you’re incapable. Just because you identify as a genderless pronoun or a non-binary zem, zim or em does not classify you as diverse. It’s all for one and one for all, according to your warped and singular vision of the greater good.

  21. ExEssex says:

    10:17 you should look past the skin color/gender of Biden’s team – you’ll see some very accomplished professionals.

  22. Walking says:

    3b, that’s my thinking. Why waste a Saturday for maybe $100 more. I did look a cars.com and they have a phone friendly website to photograph and describe the car . They shop it to local dealers for pricing. If it comes back a thousand more I’ll bite. But I have a feeling the local bidders will estimate high and work you down once you bring the car to them.

  23. Phoenix says:

    “More like the virus tackled Trump..one term loser.”

    That “loser” was President of the United States of America.

    Where are you in the history books?

    He pulled the biggest con act ever. That deserves an award. Well, then again, American boomers voted him in.

  24. Fast Eddie says:

    you should look past the skin color/gender of Biden’s team – you’ll see some very accomplished professionals.

    The all have the same ivory tower view of the world. Regardless of their shape, color and sizes, they all think alike… redistribution, regulation and higher taxes for the greater good. That’s not diversity. That’s everyone who’s in agreement of a view that never worked and never will.

  25. 3b says:

    Walking : You can try car cash too if they are still around.

  26. Juice Box says:

    Walking…

    Kelly Blue Book says $2500 for fair condition and 3,100 for good condition.
    But you say you have $8000 in mechanical repairs.

    Take what you can get…

  27. Bystander says:

    Phoenix,

    Loser is the presidential pantheon, like how Carter is remembered but Dumpy is immoral scum compared to Jimmy, who went on to do decades of peace work. Trump will go back to selling his tarnished brand, creating no good in the world.

  28. 3b says:

    No 1200 dollar stimulus checks this time around, money for states and cities and more unemployment benefits but no stimulus checks.

  29. Bystander says:

    “higher taxes”

    One day Ed you will correlate this to insane spending, which your Orange god did more than any other president in history. He had record Dow, full employment and healing economy in 2016 yet spent more than any President except at war time. He simply spent (along with pressuring Fed for cuts and bailouts) to achieve records, good or bad. The guy loved that he had longest govt shutdown for pure vanity purposes. He hurt people bad for that one. A charlatan, plain and simple

  30. joyce says:

    state and local aid

    Is New Jersey going to reverse course on it’s borrowing plan?

  31. 3b says:

    Juice: My Lexus IS still hanging in there at 20 years old! Would not take it on long trips, but good for farting around.

  32. 3b says:

    Joyce: I would not think so. They can’t help themselves! Borrow and spend, it’s what sophisticated savvy smarty states do!

  33. Fast Eddie says:

    yet spent more than any President except at war time.

    He directed money to those areas that were long neglected and deemed non-essential to the paradisal left.

    Let’s now direct our attention to the eminent failures of the incoming administration, their blinded views of utopian s0cial1sm and the glossy misdirection by the willing media.

  34. joyce says:

    Then why didn’t he cut spending elsewhere and/or raise taxes to pay for the desired spending rather than running up the debt leaving it for others to pay?

  35. Bystander says:

    Sure Ed..sure. Wealthiest Americans, corps, shareholfrtd have been long neglected in last 12 years of the continued money printing campaign.

  36. Bystander says:

    shareholders..geez

  37. Bystander says:

    What the drawn line on supporting your local Christmas tree farmers vs. them trying to f you? I feel like this year is that line. I live near Easton CT which is tree farm mecca of Fairfield county. I paid $50 for standard spruce 7 foot tree in 2016 – 2017, $55 in 2018-2019. This year? $70 is cut your own min after 3 farm visits Sunday. We called Maple Row farm at they wanted $85 for cut your own. Insane for smaller tree. I know some people pay alot more for their glorious Rockefeller recreations but I have 9 foot ceilings. Ended up driving a little further away and found 87 old man selling nice trees for $50 from his small farm.

  38. Fast Eddie says:

    …rather than running up the debt leaving it for others to pay?

    Is this with or without the pandemic?

  39. Juice Box says:

    Our local Holiday tree seller parking lot sign says $79 starting prices. His prices are way up, sign was starting at $39 usually, but nobody wanted those short trees. There is however less competition this year too. There are usually two more places selling on the highway. We have a few places where you can cut your own not far away prices are just well ok. I think $10 a foot is the going rate.

    Since we generally leave town every other year I have an nice artificial tree. I may put that one up as we are not having any guests this year and well I am cheap.

    I am off to Lowes this afternoon to pick up some polyurethane for a wood refinish project. I will take a look and see what they have there as far as prices.

  40. Bystander says:

    JB,

    I try to be a cheapo too which is why I drove to 3 farms. I had kids and wife on one farm. Beautiful scenery but they had prices on other side of barn so could not see it pulling in. $70 for any tree under 10′ and it went up to $95 for any size. Put the saw back in and told women ‘no thanks’ for that price. You get enough people getting suckered and they will continue to price insanely. Problem is that there are more than enough suckers in Fairfield County. Traffic leaving Maple Row was crazy. I drove past it 2 miles out of Easton and found my man. I would like to do fake tree but wife grew up with one and it would ruin her spirit. She happily dotes on the tree all week. $50 is well worth the peace and quiet.

  41. ExEssex says:

    11:00 seriously?

  42. Dink says:

    Walking, I used peddle.com and got an offer about 20% higher than other online junkyards. The process was pretty quick and painless but ymmv.

  43. chicagofinance says:

    Where was this fcuking wisdom when he was in the big chair? Did he ever go to Capitol Hill?

    “The key is deciding, do you want to actually get something done, or do you want to feel good among the people you already agree with?” Obama said. “And if you want to get something done in a democracy, in a country as big and diverse as ours, then you’ve got to be able to meet people where they are. And play a game of addition and not subtraction.”

  44. chicagofinance says:

    Juice……fcuk Molzon….. did you check Whole Foods? not joking…. out here were have warring brothers of Casola and Maple Leaf across 34 from each other……

    Buy early this year……

  45. chicagofinance says:

    Walking….. I’m sure you know this…. dealerships don’t want cars that are 100K+ miles. Also, junk yards and places that strip are not interested in parts for cars that are greater than 10 years old, so 2011 or newer at his point.

    That said, I don’t know where you are, but you can hit a bunch of places around Avenel.

    If you are down in Monmouth County, I really like these guys…..
    https://goo.gl/maps/nsprs8jMqkKxapsD7

    Walking says:
    December 2, 2020 at 9:33 am
    Question for the group. What’s the best way to sell a car? I have a 12 year old mercedes ml 350 with 180k mikes. Still runs but needs about $8000 in work (power steering rack can shaft /timing chain, rear air bags, ) and now new plugs and coil.

    I looked at an online junkyard and they offered $975, pick up will be at my home. So the convienance is nice. Just wondering if I’ll get much more at a dealer or not worth my time driving around on a Saturday.

  46. chicagofinance says:

    Walking
    You can always try this route……
    https://youtu.be/QlMezYQva9w?t=108

  47. Phoenix says:

    Giamatti is a joy to watch. Great in Billions.

  48. Phoenix says:

    “The key is deciding, do you want to actually get something done, or do you want to feel good among the people you already agree with?” Obama said.

    And then he decided to feel good among his people. Not one banker or credit rating agency individual convicted.

    And there was much rejoicing.

  49. Juice box says:

    Lowes is $42-$59…Perhaps because That tree cooperate from New York is suing them for selling fake Frazier fur trees last year

  50. Fast Eddie says:

    Giamatti is a joy to watch. Great in Billions.

    Amazing, right? Kevin Spacey in House of Cards was great and the winner for me is Bryan Cranston in Breaking Bad, which I just finished. Don’t know what took me so long to find Breaking Bad. Wow! Aaron Paul was equally great! Bob Odenkirk as Saul was amazing, too.

  51. Juice Box says:

    Whole Foods trees are $49-$59

  52. Phoenix says:

    Jumpin’ Title

    Would be great name for movie about used car dealers.

  53. Walking says:

    Chi go. Thanks for the links. No I’m up in fast eddie territory. Funny enough I lived around Aberdeen motors when wife and I first married. We would have drunks rolling across our front lawn when the bars closed throwing my trash can at each other. One Saturday we had a chopper come in so low the house shook. They would sweep the marshes for mosquito control. Fun times. I did like monmouth county and always thought it was a step up compared to bergen

  54. Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    Watch Justified if you have not seen it.

  55. Fast Eddie says:

    Phoenix,

    Thanks. It’s on the list.

  56. Fast Eddie says:

    Are any of you guys into shiny? Gold or silver? I used to collect 90% silver coin, just for fun, back when it was around $6 per ounce, give or take. I liked the sound it makes (ha) and mercury and barber coins were fun to check out. The 1964 Kennedys were practically BU in grade almost always. Silver’s too high now. Will it come down? If it goes down a third to around $14 per ounce, I may dabble again. I sold it all a while ago when it was around $10 per ounce.

  57. JCer says:

    Juice, I usually get mine at Home Depot, I did lowes last year because I had a store credit to use. I think it was $59 for an 8ft fraser fir which was actually taller than 8ft as I had to lop off 4 inches to get it to fit even without a star and my ceiling are 9ft in most of my house(so it was closer to 9ft tall than 8). Maybe it’s fake but it looks pretty good and I only once had an issue with needle retention, it’s by far the closest place I know of that sells trees to my house. I used to buy crazy cheap Balsam Fir’s from lowes and for the most part they were adequate, they aren’t as cheap anymore so no point, the $29.99 christmas tree today is like 3ft tall!

    The lawsuit is interesting but what people don’t realize is that trees are mislabeled very frequently at Home Depot you can buy a fraser fir that is actually a fraser fir or it could be a balsam or even something totally different, balsam fir from canada seems to be the most prevalent tree for box stores in this area. I think because of the volume and cheap price whoever is supplying them is very lax about labeling and HD and lowes just don’t give two sh*ts, it’s something that will be dragged to the curb in 4 weeks anyway.

  58. BRT says:

    I bought all kinds of gold/silver from 2006 to 2010. I have Platinum and Palladium as well. I have all my grandfather’s old silver mercury dimes/quarters and $5 gold pieces. But the Silver Eagles are a beautiful coin. I basically have Silver 1 oz. rounds minted from every country that makes them. I have this collection of silver bars from the early 1900s that has the presidents on them as well. They are 12 troy oz each. It’s pretty insane how dense the metals are.

  59. Juice Box says:

    Gold and Silver is end of the world disaster insurance, price movements do not predict much, more like a fear reaction.

    I was laughing at (with) a bit coin guy three years ago at a Christmas Party this time of the year when it peaked. He was all in years ago, seems to be back in fashion again. He is driving a Tesla now and I still drive a wagon. Oh well…..Risk is what it is…

  60. njtownhomer says:

    So much noise about Gold to BTC rotation, especially waiting for big institutional buyers. Hype is big fund managers are all approving BTC now just this month so much CNBC appearances.

    Gold was very reliable on purchasing power hedge, and it will be. Where the bonds are not what they used to be I’d expect gold to perform much better.

  61. Very Stable Genius says:

    Donald Trump and Jared Kushner receive $3.65m in PPP loan money intended for small businesses, report says

    More than 25 PPP loans were given to businesses under either the Trump Organisation or Kushner Companies

    Danielle Zoellner
    New York
    @dani__zoellner

  62. Juice Box says:

    Educate yourself on this one. Crypto and even FB Libra is noise. In lieu of Legislation the Fed is a creating their own version of crypto, central bank digital currency (CBDC). In addition they will likely replace the many Venmo of the world for instant transfer of money. This means cutting out a lot of the middle. Technology folks has a way of destroying industries. Place yer bets accordingly.

  63. Fast Eddie says:

    BRT,

    I think the $20 St. Gaudens G0ld Double Eagle and Walking L1berty Half are the most beautiful coins made. The Silver Eagle is fashioned after the Walking L1berty.

    The most beautiful note is the 1896 $5 Silver Certificate:

    https://tinyurl.com/y3krv77p

  64. BoomerRemover says:

    Trumps speech this evening is fire!!! Don’t take your plywood down just yet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720O_yBLrTs

  65. ExEssex says:

    Sweeping data released by the Small Business Administration on who benefited from pandemic relief programs raises questions about the equitability and distribution of loans intended for small businesses, an initial analysis by NBC News shows.

    The analysis found that properties owned by the Trump Organization as well as the Kushner Companies, owned by the family of Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, profited from the program.

    After months of litigation, the SBA released the dataset Tuesday night on every small business that received a Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) or Economic Injury Disaster (EIDL) loan.

    The data reveals the most complete accounting to date of the more than $700 billion in forgivable loans Congress and the Trump administration introduced in the spring for allowable expenses, including payroll, rent, utilities and mortgage interest payments.

  66. ExEssex says:

    5:59 He L O S T. K?

  67. BoomerRemover says:

    meh, ended with a whimper.

  68. ExEssex says:

    45 min of f’ing stupid rambling Nonsense.

  69. leftwing says:

    Re: BTC the early 2018 decline after the runup was due in large part to taxes…at the time people were flitting around various currencies, didn’t realize they were creating taxable ST gains on each movement…lots of surprises in 1Q2018 from accountants and subsequent selling to fund tax liabilities….assuming they are smarter this time, and there seems to be fewer competing currencies, but something worth keeping in mind if you’re looking at a long…

  70. chicagofinance says:

    Gold, Bitcoin etc….. if the intention is to have a non-correlated asset, then you have to go Bitcoin…. even a stupid teenager can quickly download Robinhood and buy GLD or IAU, so Gold loses it’s scarcity value……… it’s not that it is better, it is just that Bitcoin is harder to trade; harder to store; harder to understand… it creates the lack of correlation, which is the point…

  71. Bystander says:

    That this crazy lunatic was president for 4 years is just mindboggling but even more boggling are the dolts who could possibly watch that video and not see serious mental illness . Seriously, he might be pulled away in a straight jacket from 1600. That will be a sad day for many here. It will be popcorn time for the sane folks.

  72. Phoenix says:

    “It will be popcorn time for the sane folks.”

    Your fellow American “dolts” voted him in and many still continue to support him with a cult like following. Biden on the other hand really gets no love at all, he was just there as a counterweight.

    So now the “dotard” has been replaced with someone who could do a Geritol commercial if he could somehow remember the lines.

    Great job America. Quality and attention to detail in everything we do. Nope, just mediocre and profit. Same thing I think about every time I even entertain the thought about an American car purchase. I look at that Chevy and see the bean counter behind the wheel looking for a penny to shave, and the disgruntled worker in the passenger seat who does not care that the sound deadening mat was installed upside down.

    Now that’s America.

  73. Very Stable Genius says:

    LIVE
    Updated
    Dec. 3, 2020, 7:23 a.m. ET25 minutes ago
    25 minutes ago

    Covid-19 Live Updates: U.S. Hits Record Daily Death Toll, With Worse Likely to Come
    With cases in the U.S. blowing past the spring peak, more than 100,000 people were hospitalized for Covid-19 on Wednesday.

    Experts warn that the nation could be facing the most difficult time in its public health history.

  74. Very Stable Genius says:

    Ivanka Trump was deposed Tuesday in DC attorney general’s inauguration lawsuit
    By Kara Scannell, CNN

    Updated 6:07 AM EST, Thu December 03, 2020

    (CNN) Ivanka Trump, the President’s daughter and adviser, sat for a deposition Tuesday with investigators from the Washington, DC, attorney general’s office as part of its lawsuit alleging the misuse of inaugural funds, according to a court filing.

  75. Bystander says:

    Phoenix,

    Yes, there are just as many Jesus freaks, gun nuts, racists and wealthy tax avoiders as sane folks in US. The sane vote was Biden which we got. The problem is that Trump has showed that entertainment, scare tactics and commitment to grand lies are very effective election strategies for many uneducated, feeble minded people. It is sad that words are completely dismissed by the cult. He said it and it is true, he could shoot someone on 5th ave and people would still support him blindly. These people are scary.

  76. Phoenix says:

    Bystander,
    Not true. Sure some Trump supporters have their issues, as do Biden supporters.

    However, I don’t agree with plenty of things Biden does, and I do agree with plenty of things Trump does. You just call all Biden supporters as sane, and many are absolute freaks as well.

    Biden will just as surely as Trump steer USS America over the waterfall. He is one big turd. Kamala is no better.

    If nothing is done just watch what happens. Gen Z might end up being the only hope of saving this nation as scary as that sounds.

  77. Bystander says:

    4 years ago, I was stunned that someone of Dumpy’s character and rhetoric could make it to WH…but I understood why many undecided took a chance and led to his slim victory. Hillary was tainted candidate who went through decades of character assassination by right. 4 years of this clowns absurdity circus and you still vote for him, you have something wrong upstairs..sorry. That he spent his time planning and plotting this nutty speech when we have major problems in country..sorry you are nuts too if support this idiot.

  78. Phoenix says:

    In 10 years every Boomer that didn’t sell their house in New Jersey during this time period is going to wish they did.
    It’s kind of like when a company doesn’t buy out of it’s oldest employees the ones that don’t take it always regret it.

  79. Chicago says:

    Very true. It also got him “sacked”.

    ExEssex says:
    December 2, 2020 at 9:50 am
    9:44 correction Eddie….the virus tackled Trump.

  80. ExEssex says:

    iVanKa tWentyTweNty fOuR

  81. Libturd says:

    Essex,

    https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/blackrock-inc/totals?id=D000021872

    Walking,

    Before getting the 1K tow to the junkyard, ask at your local gas stations if a mechanic wants it. They have the means to do the work cheap and will often do it as a side project if the car is in good condition. That’s how I sold my 180K, 21-year old Civic with a cracked engine.

    Phoenix,

    Giamatti was brilliant in Private Parts too.

    BoomerRemover,

    I didn’t even know that Trump spoke. :P

  82. Libturd says:

    Everyone,

    Enjoying the Obam, I meant, Biden market melt-up? I know I am. 144% annualized return since being elected. Thanks Joe! (hat tip to Gary)

    https://yhoo.it/36BahfH

    https://tinyurl.com/bidencalmmarket

  83. Chicago says:

    Bear in mind that it has always been this way. The only difference is that we have the Internet to give us firsthand video and picture evidence.

    Bystander says:
    December 3, 2020 at 9:27 am
    Phoenix,

    Yes, there are just as many Jesus freaks, gun nuts, racists and wealthy tax avoiders as sane folks in US. The sane vote was Biden which we got. The problem is that Trump has showed that entertainment, scare tactics and commitment to grand lies are very effective election strategies for many uneducated, feeble minded people. It is sad that words are completely dismissed by the cult. He said it and it is true, he could shoot someone on 5th ave and people would still support him blindly. These people are scary.

  84. leftwing says:

    “Hillary was tainted candidate who went through decades of character assassination by right.”

    Typical leftist drivel…character assassination, lol.

    The Clintons, each of them, were more than capable of blowing themselves up with greed, gross misdeeds, and criminal behavior.

    Right wing assassination….more like taking a twelve gauge with three inch chambers, putting it in your mouth, and eating both barrels at the same time.

    Most amazing to me is the Dems still embrace WJC. That perverted decrepit freak should have been locked up long ago. Have no idea how Chelsea can let him handle her kids…the thought of that creep near any child makes my skin crawl.

  85. leftwing says:

    LOL, is Joe going to appoint anyone who was NOT part of the Obama Admin?

    Guess it’s too much to expect a 48 year politician to have any original thought…

  86. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Lol. The people who brought us the Russia hoax, impeachment had, buried the hunter den story want us to trust them, there was no widespread voter fraud. Sure, whatever you say.

  87. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    I think they still have some if fdrs old wheelchairs sitting around the white House. Should come in hand if Biden gets that far.

  88. Libturd says:

    “LOL, is Joe going to appoint anyone who was NOT part of the Obama Admin?”

    He’s got an awful lot of people to pay back. Probably more than any other politician in US history.

    “there was no widespread voter fraud. Sure, whatever you say.”

    Trumpsters still Trumping. You know what would make this lie more sensible? Stronger evidence than sworn affidavits from dummies representing counties that don’t even exist. It’s over Alice. Over!

  89. LurksMcGee says:

    Anyone know where we can get the nominal figures on “regular” flu deaths vs covid deaths for 2020?

    I’m wondering if covid replaced flu deaths or were “in addition” to flu deaths.

  90. leftwing says:

    Don’t know on the specific flu numbers but definitely recall credible reporting a couple weeks back that flu numbers were way down, attributed to common mitigation measures for the two viruses….washing hands, covering face, and social distancing inhibits the spread of normal seasonal flu too….whoda thunk.

  91. leftwing says:

    “He’s got an awful lot of people to pay back.”

    Still wondering what the prizes are for Warren and especially Bernie for their pullout on strong numbers at 11:59:59………

    Kamala got hers, Buttigieg had no juice to fight, Bloomberg didn’t care, and no one else really mattered.

    What’s the prize? No one in their right mind commits to something for the second time, spend over a year doing everything and anything to win, and then walks away in the lead…..

  92. Libturd says:

    Probably insider information on a defense deal or something similar to invest in. :P You know, like a Georgia Senator does. :P

  93. Libturd says:

    This is pretty funny, even if you are not a wonk.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1323634078562791427

  94. joyce says:

    I can’t find much information from the CDC that breaks out the Flu vs Covid-19. This is all I see.

    All Deaths involving Covid-19 = 251,428

    Deaths involving Pneumonia, with or without COVID-19, excluding Influenza deaths = 250,420

    Deaths involving COVID-19 and Pneumonia, excluding Influenza = 114,835

    All Deaths involving Influenza, with or without COVID-19 or Pneumonia includes COVID-19 or Pneumonia4 = 6,852

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

  95. BRT says:

    Typically, the flu has to travel across continents. Most of the flu vaccines are based off strains they see in Asia during their prime flu season. I’m sure, domestically, we drastically reduced the flu down to very very low numbers over the summer and by locking down.

    We likely didn’t send any of our domestic strains over to Asia with our lockdowns.
    And they aren’t really sending them to us now. Without the vectors coming from asia and the social distancing observed during the summer, I would expect the flu to be getting off to a slow and late start. That’s why when “experts” were predicting a “bad flu season” this year, I called pure BS.

    That being said, the data is absolute crap on this matter and we can’t actually draw conclusions. If there is a financial incentive for a healthcare provider to assume it’s covid and not the flu, many are going to line their pockets.

  96. Phoenix says:

    “Bear in mind that it has always been this way. The only difference is that we have the Internet to give us firsthand video and picture evidence.”
    Yes, and this is exactly what the youth has access to. And don’t think they’re not watching.

    “Giamatti was brilliant in Private Parts too.” Yeah I overlooked that one. He was absolutely hilarious in that role. Thanks for the reminder. I was never a big fan of Howard Stern but I always felt that movie you didn’t really have to be. It was a rip.

    “you still vote for him, you have something wrong upstairs.” Bystander you must have me confused with someone else cuz I most certainly did not vote for Trump. Then again I most certainly didn’t vote for Biden either. Kind of makes me hated from both sides. Ask me if I give a rats Azz.

  97. 3b says:

    Phoenix: It seems to me that if you did not vote for Biden, it’s assumed you voted for Trump. I have not voted in the last two elections because of the dismal choices both times. If however, you note that in his rare moments of clarity that Trump had a number of valid points and also note that Biden is an almost 50 year politician whose business dealings smell and who in my mind is corrupt like all the rest of them, then again you are suspected of being a secret Trump supporter, and are suspect. At some point we may see political re-education camps, if we don’t go along with the narrative. Sad , the way this country is going.

  98. Very Stable Genius says:

    Pardon Me
    President Trump is reported to have discussed the possibility of granting pre-emptive pardons to three of his children, his son-in-law Jared Kushner and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.

    On “The Late Show,” Stephen Colbert made a “fun criminal activity page” out of it, inviting viewers to match the person in Trump’s circle to his or her alleged malfeasance.

    “On the left, you see all of the potential pardon-getters, and on the right, there’s a list of crimes, like money laundering, tax evasion and snorting coke off the last living black rhino. You have to match the person to their crime, and there are no wrong answers.” — STEPHEN COLBERT

  99. JCer says:

    On the election front this is highly suspect…..

    https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/12/i-was-driving-completed-ballots-from-ny-to-pennsylvania-so-i-decided-to-speak-up-update-usps-contract-truck-driver-who-transferred-288000-fraudulent-ballots-fro/

    Why would 200k Pennsylvania ballots be in a mail distribution center on long island? How did they get there? Were they from overseas, thypically overseas packages traveling through JFK go to Bethpage? I doubt there are 200k people on LI who are PA residents. It’s odd this is not some southern state where older folks are escaping the weather, it’s LI. Barring that the drivers account of how all normal processing was not performed on this particular trailer and it just disappears from the postal yard the next day without ever being unloaded is very strange. The normal USPS chain of custody that your junk mail flyers get was not followed for ballots, normally in logistics you have records on your trucks, when they stop to unload, how long they unloaded, how much weight was unloaded, etc. A trailer disappearing is a break down of your governance process.

    Dotard allegedly lost by ~71k votes, if 200k votes went missing or were fraudulent it totally could have change the result in that state. Once the chain of custody is broken there is no knowing what happened to the ballots. If there is any truth to this truck driver’s story it points to certain irregularities occurring. I think if Biden wants the ec votes for PA they need to get to the bottom of this quick, or they should not be awarded.

  100. BRT says:

    I loved stern in 98 to 2004, but only when he would talk about issues or do the news. I couldn’t stand the perv segments that he would do for TV. It was crap. I was really more of a fan of Artie Lange. The show went to crap when he went to Sirius and Artie stabbed himself.

  101. Bystander says:

    Sure Left, B*ngazi was not absolute BS scandal to undermine her. You idiots talk about impeachment but B*ngazi went on for 4 years bc they knew she was running. Kevin McCarthy even said it “her numbers are down”. That was the character hit. “Lock her up” chants for year..then nothing when Trump won. We know that Comey’s laptop announcement two weeks before election probably swung enough for Trump. It had died down and suddenly became national scandal again. Stop the BS. It was a hit job. That is where politics are. Problem is that Trump directly mouths or tweets crap and it is evidence of nothing apparently.

  102. chicagofinance says:

    I like that song…. Dido is pretty.

    Libturd says:
    December 3, 2020 at 11:49 am
    This is pretty funny, even if you are not a wonk.

  103. BRT says:

    Comey’s laptop announcement was him trying to save his own butt in the last minute. Guy clearly was a political hack only interested in himself.

  104. chicagofinance says:

    The point is….. fake ballots or not, you can’t know if those are Trump or Biden….. also, outside of NYC and immediate suburbs, most of NYS is Republican……

    If you are going to believe the fraud pablum, then it has to follow that both sides are going to be equally adept at manipulation.

    JCer says:
    December 3, 2020 at 12:27 pm
    On the election front this is highly suspect…..

    https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/12/i-was-driving-completed-ballots-from-ny-to-pennsylvania-so-i-decided-to-speak-up-update-usps-contract-truck-driver-who-transferred-288000-fraudulent-ballots-fro/

    Why would 200k Pennsylvania ballots be in a mail distribution center on long island? How did they get there? Were they from overseas, thypically overseas packages traveling through JFK go to Bethpage? I doubt there are 200k people on LI who are PA residents. It’s odd this is not some southern state where older folks are escaping the weather, it’s LI. Barring that the drivers account of how all normal processing was not performed on this particular trailer and it just disappears from the postal yard the next day without ever being unloaded is very strange. The normal USPS chain of custody that your junk mail flyers get was not followed for ballots, normally in logistics you have records on your trucks, when they stop to unload, how long they unloaded, how much weight was unloaded, etc. A trailer disappearing is a break down of your governance process.

    Dotard allegedly lost by ~71k votes, if 200k votes went missing or were fraudulent it totally could have change the result in that state. Once the chain of custody is broken there is no knowing what happened to the ballots. If there is any truth to this truck driver’s story it points to certain irregularities occurring. I think if Biden wants the ec votes for PA they need to get to the bottom of this quick, or they should not be awarded.

  105. LurksMcGee says:

    BRT,

    To your point, that’s why I’m wondering if/how deaths related to covid are increasing the death rate in the US or replacing the flu death rate. And I completely agree with you, as someone that likes digging through data, they really aren’t capturing it to make proper conclusions/decisions.

  106. leftwing says:

    “…as someone that likes digging through data, they really aren’t capturing it to make proper conclusions/decisions.”

    C’mon Lurks, you know better….any suspected yet not even confirmed case will be classified as a death until Joe is in office and makes his first pronouncement of action on the virus after which only cases with covid as the only absolute and direct cause of death will be counted.

    Boom, see how Joe saved us? Damn, those numbers fell fast…

    And that is not the easy prediction. The easy prediction is that when it happens anyone tweeting about it will be banned.

  107. LurksMcGee says:

    Leftwing,

    Sadly you’re right and its what’s I’ve been thinking for a while. There’s zero reason not to make covid the unique identifier for deaths instead of lumping it in with everything else. I’m not saying that covid isn’t real/something to worry about. I’d just expect there to be better management of the data.

  108. SomeOne says:

    News item:

    Wall Street Journal reporting that The Trump administration has sued Facebook Inc., accusing the social-media company of illegally reserving high-paying jobs for immigrant workers it was sponsoring for permanent residence, rather than searching for available U.S. residents who could fill the positions.

    I thought H1B workers were depressing the wages.

  109. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If you get a chance, check out “Capital in the Twentieth Century” on Netflix. Brought me back to my roots. Concentrated the wealth way too much to the point that the game of capitalism is no longer fun to the youth. They think it’s rigged and have given up.

    So you want to get rid of AOC, don’t give the conditions that allow for her to flourish. Give these people opportunities instead of saddling them with debt at a young age. I finally see the light again.

    I’m torn between both sides. Both have valid points, but at the end of the day, a society is only as strong as the opportunities it provides.

  110. joyce says:

    They are. The comment just means that the jobs in question are of a high-paying nature.

    SomeOne says:
    December 3, 2020 at 7:49 pm
    News item:

    Wall Street Journal reporting that The Trump administration has sued Facebook Inc., accusing the social-media company of illegally reserving high-paying jobs for immigrant workers it was sponsoring for permanent residence, rather than searching for available U.S. residents who could fill the positions.

    I thought H1B workers were depressing the wages.

  111. Libturd says:

    You guys all sound awfully silly.

  112. ExEssex says:

    Parlér is 2 door down and to the left.

  113. ExEssex says:

    bIdEn hAs a tRaCkinG dEviCe iN HiS bOot….

  114. Libturd says:

    The best thing about Parler is that Facebook has become useful again.

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