C19 Open Discussion Week 40b

From the NY Times:

Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine passed a critical milestone on Thursday when a panel of experts formally recommended that the Food and Drug Administration authorize the vaccine. The agency is likely to do so within days, giving health care workers and nursing home residents first priority to begin receiving the first shots early next week.

The F.D.A.’s vaccine advisory panel, composed of independent scientific experts, infectious disease doctors and statisticians, voted 17 to 4, with one member abstaining, in favor of emergency authorization for people 16 and older. With rare exceptions, the F.D.A. follows the advice of its advisory panels.

With this formal blessing, the nation may finally begin to slow the spread of the virus just as infections and deaths surge, reaching a record of more than 3,000 daily deaths on Wednesday. The F.D.A. is expected to grant an emergency use authorization on Saturday, according to people familiar with the agency’s planning, though they cautioned that last-minute legal or bureaucratic requirements could push the announcement to Sunday or later.

The initial shipment of 6.4 million doses will leave warehouses within 24 hours of being cleared by the F.D.A., according to federal officials. About half of those doses will be sent across the country, and the other half will be reserved for the initial recipients to receive their second dose about three weeks later.

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40 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 40b

  1. Hold my beer says:


  2. Hold my beer says:

    For New Year’s I’m going to get so fat my phone can’t recognize my face.

  3. AJ says:

    The world’s biggest scientific experiment….

  4. Fast Eddie says:

    Can anyone tell me who Xavier Bock-a-rea is? O’Biden is touting him as head of HHS but I can’t find his name.

  5. Chicago says:

    That was my call from March/April, and you would have profited nicely from it if you had used that philosophy relative to US equity investment.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    December 10, 2020 at 6:44 pm
    You said a while back that companies should be using this time to build the DeathStar. This is just part of that process.

  6. Libturd says:

    Look in the Lobbyist Pages. You’ll find every single one of them there.

  7. Juice Box says:

    This is truly Star Trek level stuff folks.

    Mankind can now produce a simple but effective way to stimulate the ribosomes in our cells to produce antiviral proteins directly. We now can mass synthesize the mRNA sequence for a vaccine which is extremely fragile and deliver it to our cells using manmade nanoparticles that can do it safely with little or no side effects.

  8. Juice Box says:

    There are going to be many many uses for this technology including curing some cancers. Viruses also have predictable rate of evolution, the common cold and the flu are the best examples. We could see quickly produced designer vaccines for the FLU based upon real time surveillance of strains, truly interesting times we live in.

  9. Libturd says:


  10. Fast Eddie says:

    Oh, it’s Xavier Becerra. O’Biden should at least know how to pronounce a person’s name before reading from the teleprompter. Laziness on his part.

  11. Juice Box says:

    Yes lipid nanoparticles pretty standard stuff really.

    It’s know as a NanoBiologist’s Holy Grail.

  12. Phoenix says:

    “This is truly Star Trek level stuff folks.”

    I’d agree, but we are still stuck on planet Earth pretty much, have not gone to other galaxies, and don’t have a transporter to beam us anywhere.

    We will probably self destruct before any of that happens.

    And all of this technology which was designed to be used for “good” purposes, can also be used for “evil” ones as well. And human beings being what they are, will do just that.

  13. Phoenix says:

    CRISPR is the big deal.

  14. BRT says:

    There was a group of scientists at Harvard they took a vaccine that was developed in a matter of weeks after March. They reason, there’s a lot less risk in taking a vaccine than there was to wait this out. Like I said, the blueprint is there for the development of these things rapidly. The drawn out process of approving is likely going to be revised as time moves along.

    Much like they can get a flu shot out every year. Naboparticles was the biggest buzzword when I was in grad school. The reality is, all drugs are best marketed as a pill and our digestive system is the most incredible filtering barrier that prevents just about any foreign organic molecule from entering. They always try some sort of nanoparticle delivery. But, if you have something injectable into the bloodstream, all those complications suddenly go away. People just don’t like getting shots.

  15. Juice Box says:

    Stuck? There are now five separate space crafts docked at the ISS and seven astronauts living there. Pretty good for a bunch of hairless apes that did not learn to fly until 117 years ago.

  16. Phoenix says:

    Sorry but as much as you call that progress it ain’t no Star Trek.

    Impressive by some standards, sure. But Star Trek level? No way.

  17. BRT says:

    Prior to the development of all these drugs, they used to take your blood, run it through a uv light, and send it back into you. It would drop the viral load significantly and speed recovery for nearly every RNA virus. A very effective therapy and would likely do wonders for this, but stopped being applied once antibiotics and antivirals were developed.

  18. BRT says:

    It should be noted, all the crackpots that were screaming about genetic engineering, GMOs, and god knows what else….these are the technologies that are likely to allow us to dismantle all kinds of illnesses. But they want to scream bloody murder because they engineered corn to be resistant to blight or an apple to not turn brown.

  19. Phoenix says:

    Breathe in some nano carbon tubes and watch what happens to you. As bad or worse than asbestos.

    Like anything else, time gives answers. Just ask J&J how much their lawsuits on baby powder is costing them. I met one of their attorneys and yeah, it’s a nightmare for them.

    Old goats probably died from something else, but hey, on the way out get some money for the kids. Suing people can be quite profitable.

  20. Phoenix says:

    The photons in UV light are very destructive. You ain’t running my blood through that and pumping it back into me unless it’s a last resort.

  21. Phoenix says:

    Have some fun over the holidays with your kids.


  22. Grim says:

    UV blood treatment sounds like a cancer machine really.

  23. BRT says:

    It depends on what frequency of uv light. Lower energy is fine.

  24. Chicago says:

    It is an odd coincidence that Star Trek comes up on these threads. I just watched five episodes of the original series on Netflix the past couple of days after not looking at anything related to it in many years. If you have never seen the episode the cage the one with Pike, I would suggest it. There are some subtle differences in the plot line from what you may have seen from the two-part episode. Kind of a novelty after all these years.

    Also I always knew that there was some context lost with all of the ending done for syndication, but to see complete episodes provides some important character development that didn’t always relate to driving the plot and therefore was edited out very interesting to see.

  25. Chicago says:

    Editing. Not ending

  26. leftwing says:

    Pretty sure I know one or two local genetic frogs playing D1……..

    Seriously, that is amazing. The current and upcoming generation have no idea of the opportunity ahead of them over their lifetimes.

    Playing field may become even easier as they self select into bellie-button staring SJWs and kids who were injecting frogs at home at age 10 after putting the finishing code on their app…….

  27. Walking says:

    Brt, is there any link to iron or iron infusion and getting sicker from covid? The 14 year old girl that died from covid went to the hospital received an iron infusion , came down with covid and passed. Just wondering as the wife is putting off iron treatments after reading the story. Some hiv studies showed iron did play a role in hiv cases as well.

  28. Juice Box says:

    Needle free injection systems exist, just like the Star Trek “HypoSpray”


  29. leftwing says:

    LOL, I took a similar company public over 20 years ago…..

  30. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “The Big Acceleration Could Usher In The Roaring 2020s”


  31. chicagofinance says:

    “Healthcare is like San Francisco……. expensive, but bad.”
    Scott Galloway

  32. BRT says:

    No idea. More iron would mean more oxygen carrying capacity in your body. I would think it’s a good thing. Although, you can obviously have complications with any injection not related to the virus.

  33. BRT says:

    That frog kit is sweet. I may have to do that. I remember when genetic engineering first got started. The one guy who was a pioneer in the field modified a rabbit using fluorescent protein from a choral and he modified his rabbit to be an albino that glows in the dark at night. This was before anyone was doing anything and people were up in arms about “cruelty”

  34. leftwing says:

    Bling Bunny….gets lots of zam zam from the ladies.

  35. Very Stable Genius says:

    Supreme Court Rejects Texas Suit Seeking to Subvert Election

    The suit, filed directly in the Supreme Court, sought to bar Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin from casting their electoral votes for Joseph R. Biden Jr.

    By Adam Liptak
    Dec. 11, 2020, 6:37 p.m. ET

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Friday rejected an audacious lawsuit by Texas that had asked the court to throw out the presidential election results in four battleground states captured by President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.

  36. Walking says:

    Brt, from some of the articles I’m seeing they are staying iron overload along with hepciden could play a role in covid mortality. They brought up prior studies of hep c, hep b and hiv require iron in order to efficiently replicate in the body often leading to poor outcomes for patients. That’s about as much as I could understand in the journals. So I’m not sure if I’m just not understanding the entire process and there are other factors at play.

  37. ExEssex says:


    F Uuuuuuuuu

  38. Very Stable Genius says:

    “Legal experts almost universally dismissed Texas’ suit as an unbecoming stunt. In invoking the Supreme Court’s “original jurisdiction,” Texas asked the justices to act as a trial court to settle a dispute between states, a procedure theoretically possible under the Constitution but employed sparingly, typically in cases concerning water rights or boundary disputes.

    In a series of briefs filed Thursday, the four states that Texas sought to sue condemned the effort. “The court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and unmistakable signal that such abuse must never be replicated,” a brief for Pennsylvania said.“

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