NJ poised to fall?

From Patch:

NJ Most ‘Vulnerable’ Housing Market In The Nation: Report

When much of the economy shut down because of COVID-19, the good times rolled for many home sellers in New Jersey. But the state’s strong housing market appears headed toward a decline, with several counties among the most vulnerable homebuying sectors in the nation, according to a new report from real estate data curator ATTOM.

In fact, the nation’s three most vulnerable housing markets are in New Jersey, according to the report. Passaic, Essex and Atlantic counties top the rankings, in that order, based on factors such as home affordability, unemployment, local wages and the prevalence of foreclosures. 

The New York and Philadelphia metro areas, which include much of New Jersey, were among the nation’s most vulnerable housing markets, according to ATTOM. That includes Bergen, Essex, Ocean, Passaic, Sussex, Union, Camden and Gloucester counties.

Major homeownership costs — such as mortgage payments, property taxes and insurance — consumed high percentages of local wages in the nation’s most vulnerable counties.

ATTOM measured local wages against the expenses of median-priced, single-family homes in their respective areas for the first quarter of the year. Three New Jersey counties ranked worst in that regard:

  1. San Joaquin County, California: 48.9 percent of average local wages needed for major homeownership costs
  2. Bergen County: 48.3 percent
  3. Solano County, California: 46.6 percent
  4. Passaic County: 46.5 percent
  5. Ocean County: 42.5 percent
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126 Responses to NJ poised to fall?

  1. dentss dunnigan says:

    First

  2. dentss dunningan says:

    But ,but ….we have great schools ..!

  3. The Great Pumpkin says:

    This article doesn’t realize how much “dirty” money is made in NJ. So much money made here is not reported. So many small business owners in this state play the game. This article is garbage if it thinks NJ is the most vulnerable real estate in America. F’ing laughable.

  4. Fast Eddie says:

    This list is no surprise to any of us in Jersey. Property taxes are like the final shiv to the side. Bergen Counties prices are stubbornly high and never seem to decline, only waver and flap in the wind when other counties/regions decline. Passaic County may be a bit more pliable but overall, North Jersey doesn’t tolerate huge declines either way. But now, we have epic inflation on top of the rise in mortgage rates so it’s crap shoot as we don’t know what this cycle will bring. The other ‘X’ factor here is whether aging boomers decide to list their house(s) en masse after reading the tea leaves. I think the fall months will tell us more. As a homeowner here, you’d think I’d root for ever-higher prices but you all know where I stand with chubby muppet Mary’s pie-in-the-sky demand price for her stinky shithole of a hovel. There’s too many chubby muppets who should take a financial beating for gorging on bonbons while others stored their powder diligently. To be continued.

  5. Fast Eddie says:

    I don’t have an opinion on this one, can’t figure it really. Please chime in. Is it because it’s on a double yellow? It’s reduced, now with a “4” handle in a desirable town. It looks fairly well-kept.

    https://www.trulia.com/p/nj/ramsey/16-e-crescent-ave-ramsey-nj-07446–2088566103

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fast,

    I have no idea how nj is overpriced when we have houses like that available in the 4 figures. Try finding that in Florida or arizona…or any of the “hot” markets out there over the past 5 years. Again, this article is pure bs. Florida is so overpriced it’s downright scary. 1 million for 1500 sq ft pos.

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And you think fat mary’s pos is bad…try Florida man’s pos.

  8. Phoenix says:

    A Lakewood police officer has been charged with aggravated assault after punching another player in the face during a fight at a men’s softball game earlier this month, a charging document states.

    The victim was at bat at during a game at Veterans Park in Berkeley Township on June 1 when he hit a ball that struck Carney, who was pitching, the criminal complaint states.

  9. Fast Eddie says:

    Biden accidentally flashed a cue card telling him exactly where to go and what to do at a White House event:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-accidentally-flashed-cue-card-104115491.html

    LMAO!! This is too rich. This is the guy who supposedly got 10 million more votes than Oblama… specifically in 5 counties in swing states with 90% dem voter turn out. Sure. LOL. What a farce. Read the cue card this old fuck had in his hands. Omg, what a disaster of an administration.

  10. Nomad says:

    Alex Holder is a documentary film maker who produced a film on 45.

    Holder indicated he had and no one else sole control over the film’s content.

    In his twitter feed, Holder includes what apparently is a 1:11 outtake of 45 getting ready to be interviewed.

    https://twitter.com/alexjholder

  11. BRT says:

    That card is written exactly like we do instructions for our lowest functioning students. That’s where he’s at.

  12. 3b says:

    Fast: That is pretty sad needing a cue card. But we have some great choices going forward, Murphy, Newsom, just have to figure out how to get rid of Harris.

  13. Phoenix says:

    Eddie,

    What exactly does that say about the typical American voter?

  14. 3b says:

    Fast: Bergen Co is filled with older boomers, when they decide to sell , they can be much more flexible with price, than more recent buyers. I am seeing that play out in my town with 2 houses for sale right next door to each other. My neighbors in their 80s have been in their house for 57 years. High interest rates, high inflation, recession, fat Mary will be forced on a diet.

  15. Fast Eddie says:

    That card is written exactly like we do instructions for our lowest functioning students. That’s where he’s at.

    He’s mental midget, just like the those members of the modern democrat party.

  16. Fast Eddie says:

    What exactly does that say about the typical American voter?

    It says they’re fat and stupid, dwell on gossip and hot dogs while very few discuss events and even fewer who debate ideas.

  17. Fast Eddie says:

    3b,

    Prices in the Haughtyville towns have always been sticky. I’ve had relatives in Hillsdale, River Vale and Old Tappan from the 70s until the late 90s and the talk even then was always high property taxes and high prices. It’ll be sticky down in smaller increments, if at all. Or, a sideways waver at best. Inventory numbers will be the key now to see where it goes. The 30-yr. is currently at 5.81%. We’ll see.

  18. The Great Pumpkin says:

    30 year has been dropping…see if it holds, or goes back up.

    3b, understand your location. You are right outside Manhattan. This real estate will always hold its own. You don’t live in Sparta or the poconos.

  19. No One says:

    I think Biden’s handlers should put a jumbo sized toddler leash on him. That would be hilarious. Pull him around to where he’s supposed to be.

  20. 3b says:

    Fast: I saw significant declines in the haughty towns in the past, not as much as say Bergenfield or Fairlawn but still significant.

    This time around we have massively inflated house prices, high interest rates going higher, and a recession, which may involve job losses and or no or little pay increases/ bonuses. Student loan payments start again, which were not a thing when I was starting out.

    Plus, with young people getting married later and delaying child birth and many times one kid and done, I just don’t see this huge demand over the next few years, with perhaps the excess of immigrant / multi generations in one house.

  21. No One says:

    Why the capitalized “YOU” in the notes? Makes it seem like he’s gotten confused about who these instructions were for, before. Maybe he frequently sits in the wrong person’s seat. Or on someone’s lap. YOU sit in YOUR seat! Do not hover over your guests and sniff their hair! Do not sit in a lady’s seat and invite her to sit on your lap while you sniff her neck!

  22. Fast Eddie says:

    3b,

    I think the millennials are greater in number than the boomers, are they not? We’re speculating all around, no telling what will happen. I wasn’t seeing those significant declines that you’ve mentioned. Post 2008, I went full tilt in searching again in the so-called desirable towns and the 500K house were shit. I looked at the 600K houses and they were shit. Same for the 700K houses. I somehow thought I was going to find something well-kept, desirable, reasonably priced. It didn’t happen. All I can say now is let’s see going forward what the next 12 months tells us.

  23. Trick says:

    I do not understand how Ramsey’s prices could be lower then where I am at, Would like to see what that actually sells for. I grew up in that area and have several family member’s in the surrounding towns.

  24. BRT says:

    . YOU sit in YOUR seat! Do not hover over your guests and sniff their hair!

    YOU then eat the ice cream

  25. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bullard Says US Recession Unlikely; Expansion Is in Early Stage

    Someone needs to make him pee in a cup …

  26. BRT says:

    Prices in the Haughtyville towns have always been sticky. I’ve had relatives in Hillsdale, River Vale and Old Tappan from the 70s until the late 90s and the talk even then was always high property taxes and high prices.

    This is true…they keep buying. And then when my cousins visit my home and see it’s got 50% more space and yard for $200k less and $5k less taxes, they feel like they got ripped off.

  27. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Well said. I was in the same boat. Looked for a house from 2009 to the last week in 2011. Finally gave up, and paid 650k for a desirable house (wanted a turn key colonial) that would have been even more if not for a double yellow road. Until you lived it for years searching for a house, you don’t know the reality. I didn’t limit my search to specific towns either. I just wanted a sick deal that I thought I was entitled to after the crash in 2008. That’s when I learned the hard reality of the north jersey housing market.

    Then I have people on this blog telling me how I overpaid. That boiled my blood. Show me where the good deals were or stfu. I wasted so much time trying to find a deal on a good house that I finally gave up. It was impossible.

    Fast Eddie says:
    June 24, 2022 at 9:38 am
    3b,

    I think the millennials are greater in number than the boomers, are they not? We’re speculating all around, no telling what will happen. I wasn’t seeing those significant declines that you’ve mentioned. Post 2008, I went full tilt in searching again in the so-called desirable towns and the 500K house were shit. I looked at the 600K houses and they were shit. Same for the 700K houses. I somehow thought I was going to find something well-kept, desirable, reasonably priced. It didn’t happen. All I can say now is let’s see going forward what the next 12 months tells us.

  28. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Location matters, not the size of the house.

    BRT says:
    June 24, 2022 at 10:01 am
    Prices in the Haughtyville towns have always been sticky. I’ve had relatives in Hillsdale, River Vale and Old Tappan from the 70s until the late 90s and the talk even then was always high property taxes and high prices.

    This is true…they keep buying. And then when my cousins visit my home and see it’s got 50% more space and yard for $200k less and $5k less taxes, they feel like they got ripped off.

  29. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Where are you at?

    Trick says:
    June 24, 2022 at 9:48 am
    I do not understand how Ramsey’s prices could be lower then where I am at, Would like to see what that actually sells for. I grew up in that area and have several family member’s in the surrounding towns.

  30. BRT says:

    Location matters, not the size of the house.

    Central jersey has equally snobby towns…

  31. 3b says:

    Fast: Agree we will see how it turns out. I did see declines, particularly in Wyckoff , Franklin Lakes, and Ramsey, back then, but at this point does not matter.

    Yes, the Millenials are greater in number than the boomers, but I don’t know if that’s how it can just be viewed. Later marriage for Millenials, one maybe 2 kids vs boomers 4 or 5 or more. Two incomes to pay a mortgage and all the rest, but as you say we will see how it all turns out. I read an article the other day on the frenzy for NYC rentals, the article states that it’s a combination of people wanting their own space, and tired of the roommates thing, and people wanting more space for WFH.

  32. 3b says:

    Fast: E Crescent Rd is a super busy street, maybe location is starting to matter again.

  33. 3b says:

    Roe overturned 6 to 3 decesion.

  34. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s still a cheap house.

    3b says:
    June 24, 2022 at 10:16 am
    Fast: E Crescent Rd is a super busy street, maybe location is starting to matter again.

  35. 3b says:

    Illinois will loose 200 million a year in state taxes from Griffins ( Citadel) departure to Fla. Citadel employees has pumped over 1 billion in taxes to the state over the last decade. Griffin says he is moving Citadel to Miami due to the better business environment, and because of Chicago crime.

  36. The Great Pumpkin says:

    These bear market rallies are crazy.

  37. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    Florida attracts scum. Understand this. Florida is south america. Bunch of 1%ers mixed in with trailer park trash.

  38. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wow, what is the supreme court doing? They are setting this country back decades. Between the gun bs, and now abortions. Going to be a ton of f’ed up kids out there with parents that don’t want them and guess who is going to pay for it?

  39. Phoenix says:

    Roe vs Wade.

    What happens when the oldest goat on the planet refuses to leave the farm until it’s too late.

  40. Fast Eddie says:

    Now that Roe v. Wade has been given back to the states, I assume “the threat to democracy” is no longer and is functioning as expected? Right, liberals?

  41. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fast, you are right, let them have what they want. They better not complain about taxes when they have to house these unwanted kids in jails or cry about the crime that will be associated with them.

  42. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Or how these kids bring down the school scores….better not blame it on public schools.

  43. Phoenix says:

    Just more fuel added to the dumpster fire known as America.

    This one gonna burn hot and bright!

  44. 3b says:

    Supreme Court would have been better off leaving Roe v Wade alone, after 50 years. The only good thing is maybe people will be more careful about getting pregnant, and avail themselves of birth control. It will be interesting to see how this impacts the mid terms.

  45. Phoenix says:

    Tsk Tsk.

    A retired US Army helicopter pilot who became a civilian defense contractor pleaded guilty on Thursday to selling classified aviation technology secrets to China for up to $32,000.

    Shapour Moinian, 67, of San Diego, admitted in federal court to acting as an agent for the Chinese government and providing President Xi Jinping’s regime secret aviation-related information from his defense-contractor employers.

  46. Phoenix says:

    So:
    No constitutionally right to:

    an abortion.

    the police to protect you.

    the police to investigate in your behalf.

    a legitimate police report.

  47. crushednjmillenial says:

    Roe overturned . . .

    Today’s decision was brought to American women by the utter and disgusting arrogance of two women: HRC and RGB. HRC used her power within the Dem party to push aside better candidates in 2016 and HRC was the only Dem that could possibly lose to DJT besides MAYBE Bernie (on the other hand, Bernie might have beat DJT in 2016 big time, hard to project).

    RGB should have retired during Obama’s first term due to her health issues. She could have went down to sit on any Appellate Circuit she wanted and would have been the most-authoritative circuit court judge in the USA.

    Final point – the Dems on the way to 2022 are shrugging their shoulders at the current bad direction of the Dem party (Biden at 20% approval, for example, or whatever). D’s are considering ABSURD candidates like Murphy or Newsome. Might as well run Fauci, haha. The D’s are free to make horrible political choices all day, the part that irks me is that they lose power and then start shrieking for (1) court packing; (2) abolishing the electoral college; (3) expanding Congress from 435 members to a bigger number, etc. If the Dems just slightly changed their policies, they could win in the current system which does currently has some slight structural tilt in favor the R’s. Hey, Dems, where is the positioning in favor ECONOMIC groups, like employees and consumers, instead of just IDENTITY groups – racial, gender, romantic orientation, etc.

  48. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Hey, on a positive note, this will help future population growth. Maybe housing has a chance down the road.

  49. The Great Pumpkin says:

    F’ing traitor.

    Phoenix says:
    June 24, 2022 at 10:56 am
    Tsk Tsk.

    A retired US Army helicopter pilot who became a civilian defense contractor pleaded guilty on Thursday to selling classified aviation technology secrets to China for up to $32,000.

    Shapour Moinian, 67, of San Diego, admitted in federal court to acting as an agent for the Chinese government and providing President Xi Jinping’s regime secret aviation-related information from his defense-contractor employers.

  50. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It feels like Democrats owe their people an apology for being bad at their jobs – they had a long time to codify Roe v. Wade, defend a balanced court, get RBG to step down, etc. Instead they got played and trounced. “Help undo our failures!” is not a compelling rallying cry.

    https://twitter.com/andrewyang/status/1540351773881139200?s=21&t=vPy1kdt4_Ys14sRmP702qw

  51. Mike S says:

    Millennials want to live different places than boomers. I love to take Kinnelon as an example – this was a prime Morris County boomer location. I highly doubt you can find any millennials that want to live there. I even bet most houses have barely come back to their 2005 price. 1.5 hour commute to NYC, homes not updated in 20 years, high taxes, no local downtown anywhere nearby, etc.

    Good luck

  52. crushednjmillenial says:

    The Religious Right . . .

    Today is going to be written about as a big win for the Religious Right.

    I believe there is an overestimation of the power of the Religious Right. Trump in 2016 and 2020 had their votes by two things alone: (1) Pence was there as VP; (2) the list of potential SCOTUS appointees. Going forward, the Religious Right gets the the SCOTUS candidate list, but I don’t think the R’s need to run a member of the Religious Right as VP in 2024.

    It is 2022, and the gay marriage issue ten years ago showed that the power of the religious right is diminishing. I don’t think we see a GWB-style R candidate for a long time. Religious adherence and participation declines as we move forward in time. 20 years ago, the Religious Right had a big seat at the table. Today, they are sitting in the back seat while the R car is driven by the Tea Party/Maga, with business interests riding up front.

    Finally, the media overstates how much anti-abortion sentiment is a religiously-driven feeling.

    Simply, I’d believe most would agree the following items are true, and none of them are at all religious:

    (1) Most people feel strong aversion to harm done to children
    (2) Most feel very strong aversion to harm done to small children (2 y.o. or younger)
    (3) The day before a baby is born, it really looks like a baby on a sonogram
    (4) For quite some time before a baby is born, it looks like a baby on a sonogram
    (5) Even before a sonogram, a couple gently touches a pregnant woman’s stomach and generally personifies the fetus growing within (“baby wants raspberry pop tarts and carrot juice, go to the store . . . “)

    Given the 5 facts above, it is not some wild stretch of the brain for many people to have aversion to the idea of destroying fetuses. Sure, the religious instruction or tradition might influence many people, but there are plenty of Anti-Roe people out there who are secular.

  53. Fabius Maximus says:

    Its morning in Gilead. Need to check my kids passports are up to date.

    Mrs. Betty Bowers @BettyBowers
    “States can’t stop men from carrying a concealed weapon, but they can stop women from not carrying their rapist’s baby.”

  54. Very Stable Genius says:

    California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington. DC all protect abortion rights. By state law these are the safe states for women’s reproductive rights

  55. njtownhomer says:

    Todays ruling is monumental.

    Will seal the loss of AZ, GA, TX for foreseeable future. Let Abbott pass the abortion ban in TX and he will lose it to any democrat idiot in the race coming up.

    The backlash will be bigger than religious right is expecting. The millennials are more politically connected than the genX. With the recession upcoming, the democrats base will be energized more than ever. Never say never.

  56. Phoenix says:

    njtownhomer

    Agreed.

    No one has a bigger megaphone for anything they want or believe in then women do.

    This will energize them like a lightning bolt from the sky.

  57. njtownhomer says:

    Fetus loving religious right doesn’t give a fuck any poor soul of color, race and or ethnicity unfortunately. Gun loving religious right, how stupid is that

  58. Fast Eddie says:

    And just like that, the J6 carnival show is no longer relevant.

  59. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I truly believe that if the forefathers were told that over 200 years from the time they wrote the Constitution it would still be the end all be all for all major decisions in this country they’d laugh and call us idiots. Let’s write laws now for year 4050 and see how they hold

    https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1540358979322318848?s=21&t=vPy1kdt4_Ys14sRmP702qw

  60. Fabius Maximus says:

    Crushed,

    No this is not on the Dems, this is the end state the GOP have always been working towards.

    For all of you that took Donnie over Hillary. You were told this would be the end state. You got what you wished for.

    This

  61. Fabius Maximus says:

    The GOP gave you this.

    Seth Abramson @SethAbramson

    How I see it.

    THOMAS: Impeachable.
    KAVANAUGH: Perjurer.
    GORSUCH: Stolen seat.
    BARRETT: Stolen seat.
    ALITO: Garden-variety sociopath.

  62. njtownhomer says:

    Next would be tracking menstruation apps and limiting women missing periods to travel out of state. How interesting is that?

  63. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lmao….yes, it’s all because of trump. Go away.

    “When nearly any other Republican President would have folded to the pressure from the left and the media, Donald J. Trump stood by Kavanaugh and refused to budge.

    And today, conservatives just got our biggest win from the Supreme Court in a generation.”

    https://twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr/status/1540371426397519873?s=21&t=vPy1kdt4_Ys14sRmP702qw

  64. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ain’t it odd that republicans want as many democrats as possible to have babies?

    I mean…it’s not republicans getting abortions 7 months in so…

  65. Clown World says:

    You know the constitution was designed to be changed over time, right. Grab a civics book from your school and take a look.

    I am in favor of legalizing abortion, you lose me in the 3rd trimester. Congress can absolutely draft a law, vote on it and Biden can sign it.

    Want to take a guess why they won’t do that?

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    June 24, 2022 at 12:22 pm
    I truly believe that if the forefathers were told that over 200 years from the time they wrote the Constitution it would still be the end all be all for all major decisions in this country they’d laugh and call us idiots. Let’s write laws now for year 4050 and see how they hold

    https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1540358979322318848?s=21&t=vPy1kdt4_Ys14sRmP702qw

  66. OC1 says:

    Nearly 90% of abortions are in the first trimester. Of the remaining 10+%, some of those are for the life/health of the mother, some could have been done earlier but the mother procastinated…

    So no restrictions in the first 3 or 4 months, plus limiting it to life/health of the mother, rape, incest later would probably allow 95+% of current abortions to continue.

    That’s where most of the American people sit.

    If the dems drop the unlimited abortion stance, they could probably pick up a lot of voters who don’t like late term abortions.

    And they should reach out to young men, too. Probably a lot of guys not enjoying the possibility of child support payments for that woman they hooked up with.

  67. Very Stable Genius says:

    Clarence Thomas, concurring, explicitly calls on the Supreme Court to overrule Griswold (right to contraception), Lawrence (right to same-sex intimacy), and Obergefell (right to same-sex marriage).

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yea, why not. No one thinks the FED will keep raising. What’s going to kill this market….earnings.

    “Dow Gains More Than 600 Points as Interest-Rate Expectations Cool
    U.S. indexes advance, S&P 500 on path to close in positive territory for the week”

  69. OC1 says:

    “Congress can absolutely draft a law, vote on it and Biden can sign it.”

    No way it gets the 10 republicans in the senate.

  70. Fast Eddie says:

    Interesting… now the left knows what the definition of a woman is?

  71. njtownhomer says:

    I have a daughter and may have granddaughters. That is what it is for. Not left and right.
    Rich right gets the most of the abortions, that is a fact.

    Midterm will be battle of sexes now. Good diversion from the economy.

  72. SmallGovConservative says:

    njtownhomer says:
    June 24, 2022 at 1:20 pm
    “Midterm will be battle of sexes now…”

    That’s been the case for the last 40 years or so. If I’m not mistaken, the only Dem presidential candidate to capture more than half of the male vote in the past ~40 years has been Clinton (second term) — maybe Oblama first term??? In any case, you literally need to have the mindset and (lack of) logic of a 15 year-old pansexual girl to vote for a modern day Dem.

  73. Boomer Remover says:

    Religion is a cancer unto society. I can’t believe people still believe in this man in the sky nonsense and tithe whatever little they have to the grifter elite.

    Let’s see if the millennials turn out to vote out.

  74. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Be careful what you wish for. History’s biggest body counts all belong to atheists. Extinguishing life, born or unborn means nothing to them.

  75. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No one works on Friday’s….roads are jammed at 2. Lol

  76. The Great Pumpkin says:

    When you cry about teachers having summers off, remember, they work 5 days a week.

  77. BRT says:

    Religion is a cancer unto society. I can’t believe people still believe in this man in the sky nonsense and tithe whatever little they have to the grifter elite.

    Let’s see if the millennials turn out to vote out.

    Humans are programmed to worship. If not a god, then a politician, celebrity, political ideology, sports figure, stock portfolio, rock band, rapper, pandemic response measures etc…

  78. 3b says:

    BRT: Secularism is argued by some to be yet another religion, and there is truth in that.

  79. Juice Box says:

    The weekends no longer begin on Friday.. The seven southbound lanes of G.S. Parkway over the Discroll Bridge headed down the shore where jammed at 4 PM yesterday as were the local and express lanes….You could feel the summer excitement and people raced to get south and were doing the Jersey Slide to get there even faster…

    My cousin who drives out to her place on Shelter Island on on the tip of L.I. told me there is regularly 3 hours of bumper to bumper every Thursday evening now, she stays through Monday night to avoid it on the way home too. The 107 miles show bumper to bumper now.

    107 miles 3:45 travel time…

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Manhattan,+New+York,+NY/Shelter+Island,+New+York/@40.8922467,-73.4217087,10z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c2588f046ee661:0xa0b3281fcecc08c!2m2!1d-73.9712488!2d40.7830603!1m5!1m1!1s0x89e8a261fc456173:0x7158272f76e4910!2m2!1d-72.3386939!2d41.0681549!3e0

  80. Juice Box says:

    The weekends no longer begin on Friday.. The seven southbound lanes of G.S. Parkway over the Discroll Bridge headed down the shore where jammed at 4 PM yesterday as were the local and express lanes….You could feel the summer excitement and people raced to get south and were doing the Jersey Slide to get there even faster…

    My cousin who drives out to her place on Shelter Island on on the tip of L.I. told me there is regularly 3 hours of bumper to bumper every Thursday evening now, she stays through Monday night to avoid it on the way home too. The 107 miles show bumper to bumper now. 107 miles 3:55 travel time… right now per google maps..

  81. Father Joey Buttafucco says:

    Biden is the GOAT,

    Well, the priest taught you really well and do you still take your temperature up the wazzoo?

    Here is a video of a converted catholic, not a born catholic creating problems at our meeting. https://youtu.be/TNnnM6LTBmw

    BTW, I hope you donate to our fund. Is under the “MMXXX Party all the Time -Young Men Retreat Recreational Fund” in your church reports. Here is our promo https://youtu.be/d-dRN9dVpbM

    What everyone had to learn is that the old Yankee WASP were right. Don’t let the Catholics anywhere near power. They’ll go all Torquemada on you, all that celebacy backs up into your brain.

  82. leftwing says:

    “Millennials want to live different places than boomers. I love to take Kinnelon as an example…”

    Mendham also. Beautiful area, no real downtown or amenities. Similar distance to NY. At least Morristown is nearby.

  83. Bystander says:

    Ignorant,insulated Christian states will let everyone needs to abibe by bible which advocated child murders. Gods work included giving kids heart defects, down syndrome, brain abnormalities and tons of horrible conditions in womb. Holding women to birth is monstrosity of logic. As Carlin said this is not the work of Supreme being. This is all because shit nobody states like ND and SD get two senators.

  84. Juice Box says:

    Bystander – Last vote on the Abortion issue was May 11th did not even get a simple majority. 49-51 vote, the Senate rejected the Democratic legislation, with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and all Republicans voting against the measure.

    Look I have no horse in the game as I am an older male who will never need that right, but you have to get out the vote for Democracy to work and make it law of the land. There are more than enough women voters, they will need to organize and flip seats. That is the only way it works…just like the 19 amendment over a 100 years ago..

    BTW the reason why the vote failed with Manchin? Abortion through all nine months, until the moment before a baby is born. Do we really want a law to allow that? Perhaps there here should be some limit whether it is 24 weeks or less etc. I am no doctor or biologist or heck scientist but whacking the unborn while a woman is already in labor might be a bridge too far for MOST WOMEN..

  85. 3b says:

    Juice: Assuming this traffic is related at least in part to WFH, it makes sense, people have much more flexibility now that they are no longer a slave to a commute. We had a huge project due quarter end next week, with an additional 2 weeks added if necessary. We completed it in its entirety early this morning. It involved some late evenings here and there, but well worth it. We may head down to my friends guest house in Spring Lake; we have the key! He is in the old country at the moment.

  86. 3b says:

    Juice: I am of the Bill Clinton belief, abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. I think most American would agree with that. Rape, Incest, health of the Mother, severe deformities , those make sense. If women want to abort otherwise, than that’s there decision, but there should be some limits on it, and not as a form of birth control. I knew one women who had 5 or 6 abortions. Her right? Ok, but seriously that many? Also, people who are 100 percent abortion on demand, need to recognize that their are people of good will on all sides and not just wacko Christian groups that are very uncomfortable with abortion on demand, and believe it’s the taking of an innocent life.

    Those on the Right need to understand that if they are 100 percent against abortion, then they have the moral obligation to support those children when they are born. They can’t have it both ways.

    At the end of the day I really don’t understand how this country has such a high abortion rate, with birth control mostly effective, cheap and readily available.

    All this being said, I still believe the Supreme Court should have left Roe v Wade alone after 50 years, it’s another issue for Americans to tear each other apart over

  87. leftwing says:

    By/Juice.

    Exactly. Funny how that works, if you want something to be law get it voted….And, By, for all the ranting you do understand this does not affect you? No change to what is currently law in your State. Why do you care so much – hell, at all – what people in SD or ND do? Especially as you so gracefully refer to them as “shit”?

    If SD doesn’t want abortion and NJ/CT do, they each get what they want. Easy peasy.

  88. No One says:

    Father Joey,
    Here’s a complementary South Park video on what may be a booming hobby:
    https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/mrxswb/south-park-abortion-lessons

  89. Bystander says:

    left,

    That is really myopic. My wife and I have family in conservative states, several young nieces anywhere from 14-19. It will impact them so we should all care. This is basic right issue. What happens in a state like PA which can swing D and R? D legislature says abortion ok this year then R legislature say no the next? This is huge forever implication having a child, not a political toy. ND and SD have nobody living in them, that are shit in this scenario because they represent no-one yet hold millions of lives in limbo. It is wrong system.

  90. No One says:

    If people have individual rights that the government cannot violate, then they shouldn’t be violated by federal, state, or local government.
    I’m all in favor of the right to engage in voluntary transactions for goods and services.
    I’m pro liberty but don’t think the constitution protects an individual’s right to own nukes or land mines, which are “arms”. I also don’t think a fetus is a person, so the Republican obsession with them, and their desire to prevent people from having the right to control their own lives, for the sake of mandating the raising of fetuses, bothers me.
    Seems like a contradiction when Republicans say there shouldn’t be “states rights” for controlling certain gun laws, but there should be states rights for controlling abortions. Or sodomy. I’ll bet some of these Republicans have had their c0cks sucked before.
    I think Clarence Thomas must have become more religious as he’s gotten older. I thought he was a fan of Long Dong Silver in his youth, now he wants to allow government to stop people from enjoying the activities Long Dong did. When Thomas was young, he’d play the movie The Fountainhead to his staffers. Which was based on a great book about individualism and individual rights, written by an atheist. She would not approve.

  91. SmallGovConservative says:

    Bystander says:
    June 24, 2022 at 2:28 pm
    “Holding women to birth is monstrosity of logic…”

    Outrageous that you would only think of this as a women’s issue, when Dems and the progressive dingbats that support them, have told us that it’s an issue that affects all birthing people. Thank goodness judge Ketanji will soon be on the court and, even though she doesn’t know what a woman is, will surely stand up for the rights of both pregnant women and pregnant men!

    https://www.newsweek.com/biden-admin-replaces-mothers-birthing-people-maternal-health-guidance-1598343

  92. The Great Pumpkin says:

    True story. Well said.

    “BTW the reason why the vote failed with Manchin? Abortion through all nine months, until the moment before a baby is born. Do we really want a law to allow that? Perhaps there here should be some limit whether it is 24 weeks or less etc. I am no doctor or biologist or heck scientist but whacking the unborn while a woman is already in labor might be a bridge too far for MOST WOMEN”

  93. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yup..

    Juice Box says:
    June 24, 2022 at 2:12 pm
    The weekends no longer begin on Friday..

  94. leftwing says:

    “That is really myopic. My wife and I have family in conservative states, several young nieces anywhere from 14-19. It will impact them so we should all care.”

    What the hell right do you have to their opinions? I have nieces as well of birthing age. They would be mortified, as they should be, by their 50+ year old uncle claiming some standing because he is related to their uterus.

    My youngest niece is in OH. Why should what she believes and desires to be enacted as law in her state be controlled by some old East Coast Liberal from NJ/CT?

    Even “shit” Midwesterners are capable of self governance….

    And regarding the two senators per State…that is in the Constitution to assure that population centers – which since the founding through current times have had a different point of view than those in less populous areas and professions – don’t use their majority to trample the rights of the minority…

    Although I have to say I wouldn’t be adverse to rewinding the clock if it were to eliminate a certain senile former senator from a tiny State on the Atlantic seaboard from ever holding office lol.

  95. leftwing says:

    “If people have individual rights that the government cannot violate, then they shouldn’t be violated by federal, state, or local government.”

    Agree. What this debate is really about is which rights are inviolable.

    To that point….

    “Seems like a contradiction when Republicans say there shouldn’t be “states rights” for controlling certain gun laws, but there should be states rights for controlling abortions.”

    Except that the gun ‘right’ is explicitly delineated in the Constitution. Kind of hard to argue ambiguity there.

    I’m not anti-abortion…as a libertarian, and as I’ve said here before, I really don’t care what anyone else does so long as the costs and ramifications of their actions are borne by them primarily. In that sense I really don’t care if abortion is ‘legal’.

    Problem is, how you get to your destination matters. The abortion ‘right’ was back-doored through SCOTUS because they couldn’t get it through the legislature.

    The Supremes, rightly in my view, said ‘enough’…this is not our job any longer and never should have been. The text of the majority opinion literally says so reading ‘It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.’

    So, let the States decide. And if there is enough enthusiasm for a national mandate, then there will be. If not, then not.

  96. Fabius Maximus says:

    Fixed it

    “They would be mortified, as they should be, by their 50+ year old uncle voting to regulate and control their uterus.”

  97. No One says:

    Left, I disagree that there’s no ambiguity on the 2nd Amendment.
    If the Feds were trying to block the ability of state militias to arm, then I’d say the constitution unambiguously says the Feds cannot do that. If a state wants to create a militia, and people have to join that militia to own weapons, and not let people who aren’t in that militia have arms, then that also sounds compatible with these words:
    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
    Then every state could conceivably set the rules of their well regulated militia and associated gun ownership rules. They could conceivably demand that every gun owner show up for militia practice from time to time. If it was the right of “each person” to bear arms, why didn’t they write that instead of a more ambiguous “the people” which could mean the people collectively but not necessarily each person individually?

  98. Fabius Maximus says:

    “Except that the gun ‘right’ is explicitly delineated in the Constitution.”

    That’s not what the constitution says Heller was a bad decision

  99. leftwing says:

    Agree there is ambiguity within the 2A. I wrote poorly before, my intention was that ‘a’ right regarding arms was specifically included and to contrast that with a derived abortion right to offer why those who view States rights differently on the two topics can do so without cognitive dissonance.

    Don’t necessarily agree with your 2A interpretation though…arguing whether ‘the people’ is or is not equivalent to ‘each person’ feels like asking what the definition of ‘is’ is….

  100. 3b says:

    Juice: We more than make up the hours on the weekly commute time we save.

  101. leftwing says:

    “Fixed it…They would be mortified, as they should be, by their 50+ year old uncle voting to regulate and control their uterus.”

    Ahhhh, debating politics with Fabs….

    Only the bluest of liberals could find fault with a document that literally states “We return that authority to the people and their elected representatives” thereby removing the decision from nine unelected individuals.

    The procedure is and always has been regulated. The operative question is by whom.

  102. Bystander says:

    left,

    Most red states are like 57% red/43% blue. These bluer women have no shot at changing laws but hardly small minority. I am not inserting myself into anyone’s decision. I am horrified that my niece could get raped and assaulted and cretin shit Jeebus states would tell to to carry. This is not taking your little toy gun away, but keep equating this to other ‘state’ issues. The repercussions will present themselves in time.

  103. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just don’t cry about teacher’s time off when you work a 4 day work week…esp if it’s at home. Better yet, you have no grounds to complain about teacher’s pay or benefits if you work at home. And if work from home sticks, get ready to pay up for teachers as no one in their right mind is going to take a teaching job when they can work from 4 days a week. Kiss your savings from commute goodbye, will pay up for every worker that has to come work in person in no time if WFH becomes the norm.

    3b says:
    June 24, 2022 at 5:18 pm
    Juice: We more than make up the hours on the weekly commute time we save.

  104. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Supply and demand…so many workers will gravitate to wfh jobs that in-person will command a major premium. Think plumbers are expensive now? Just wait.

  105. Bystander says:

    So the Rs should be proud that the vocal minority of blacks and gay/trans have been able get politicians/corps to hear their minority voices. The system works better than way, right? Yet all you hear is bitching about it…

    “don’t use their majority to trample the rights of the minority…”

  106. leftwing says:

    Out of my oil shorts. Took a lot of gains today on the names I put on after the second gap down two weeks ago…PYPL, Z, SPY, MSTR, TGT, DIS, VIX….Kept about half of each of the last three positions and full exposure on my META and DNA. Short VIX (ie long market) is my single largest position by far….Can see this rally running to 4050 or so but everything is on a short leash.

  107. leftwing says:

    “I am not inserting myself into anyone’s decision.”

    You totally are. Nothing changes for you. Nothing changes for anyone in CT. Yet you somehow feel empowered to tell people half a country away (and even further culturally) how they should govern themselves. All the while referring to their home as “cretin shit”.

    Typical. East. Coast. Liberal.

    Re: 57/43 and minority rights if I were to tweak the Constitution to make our country work better for everyone I would suggest moving up the votes required to pass legislation to 60% and the ability to filibuster to 70% while concurrently expanding individual liberties and freedoms.

    If the only laws that could be passed were those that had nearly 2/3rds support we would have fewer laws and less divisiveness…As I mentally scroll many divisive topics most seem to originate with very slim majority support.

    Yeah the 20% of crazies on each of the Left and Right would be miserable, but they’re all a pretty miserable bunch to begin, lol.

  108. 3b says:

    Just found out what a birthing person is. If you are a surrogate, you are not a mother but a birthing person, if you are a female and give birth, you may also identify as a male and therefore not a Mother, is this the lunacy we have to go along with now. Is this the new religion we should follow at the risk of hurting someone’s feelings. This is lunacy!

  109. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Nice oil play. Praying it has one last big rally over 120. Waiting for one more run and will short hard. If it drops to 100, will switch plans and short hard. Praying DNA and ETH (crypto) don’t run and hang around at these cheap levels into at least the end of year or into next year if fortunate enough. Biotech and crypto might have even bottomed by now.

    leftwing says:
    June 24, 2022 at 5:49 pm
    Out of my oil shorts. Took a lot of gains today on the names I put on after the second gap down two weeks ago…PYPL, Z, SPY, MSTR, TGT, DIS, VIX….Kept about half of each of the last three positions and full exposure on my META and DNA. Short VIX (ie long market) is my single largest position by far….Can see this rally running to 4050 or so but everything is on a short leash

  110. Bystander says:

    Left,

    Vivat Gilead in your cretin “life at conception’ states. Proud to be East Coast liberal thanks.

  111. The Great Pumpkin says:

    This is how pathetic the workforce is becoming. Unfortunately, you need a higher unemployment rate, people are becoming total f ups. This is bad for our future. Bunch of pussies crying to work from home instead of getting up and going to work. What a joke we have become. Have to be insane to start a business and rely on workers right now. Short the chit out of the market till real workers come back and are the norm.

    “My first Google review ever today for Waccamaw Heating and Cooling in Pawleys Island, SC.

    They’re not on Twitter, but I’d love to get a mob to shit on these guys, if you feel like piling on. 1 star, of course. They almost killed my wife and cats, and thought it was a big joke.”

    https://twitter.com/dailydirtnap/status/1540488715134504962?s=21&t=0hO17AQNw2WnwUPMa9UFSw

  112. grim says:

    How much do you want to bet they went with the lowest cost estimate?

  113. grim says:

    Taker states just going to take a little bit more now.

  114. Juice Box says:

    A/C guy flooded my ceiling after the replacement of the Evaporator Coil in the attic, he did not angle the unit to drain down the line properly and the drain pan under the unit kept filling up and leaking. Their management team to their credit came out and worked late and installed it properly. Was not the lowest bidder either, but was very reputable. That reminds me I need to run out and pick up some ceiling white paint..
    I did not hose them on social media over it either, no contractor is perfect, they came out and fixed it right away.That is the best you can ask for.

  115. BRT says:

    Replacing my AC today, 25 year old unit finally bit the dust last week. There’s always good/band contractors. It helps to know a few people in construction. They have their goto guys for AC/Ductwork/Plumbing/Electrical.

  116. Juice Box says:

    BTW – newer A/C with R-410A is going to be replaced again in time it seems. They phased out R-22 imports in 2020, and now they are going to phase out R-410A starting in 2023 for R-32 or R-454B. YUP two competing refrigerants the equipment manufacturers are picking different ones etc to market.

    You may need to replace your A/C equipment again, to save the world again from global warming. I have read you can use R-32 in older R-410A systems, not so sure it will be marketed that way by the companies that make and service the A/C equipment etc..

  117. Juice Box says:

    Good time to test your vehicles A/C too. On a day like today 80 degrees Fahrenheit air temperature and high humidity conditions the AC vent air temperature should be in the 45 to 50 degrees Fahrenheit range. A digital thermometer works to test the temp, if it registered higher temps you can pick up a can of car refrigerant for $40 and top it off yourself very easy to do and lots of YouTube videos showing how to do it.

  118. Juice Box says:

    BTW when the upstairs A/C went out, I called in my local guy recommended by my plumber. He refilled the older R-22 for $400. I thought I might get another season out of it nope it died again after a day. His later came back and quoted me the highest replacement price of the three quotes I received so I did not use him. For the time between quotes it was hot so I purchased a portable 8,000 BTU unit from Lowes still have it as an emergency backup and since it has wheels it rolls nicely into the back of the closet, just waiting for the next outage of A/C and will work fine with my generator.

    I went with the Home Depot vendor and charged it 0% interest and much better warranty. This was 2 years ago now, it’s paid off and I had a lower overall cost than laying out cash or using a regular credit card.

    Get the digital smart thermometers too. I have the Ecobee system. It was free from JCP&L…it has saved me quite a bit in energy costs, get the smart sensors too…

  119. Fast Eddie says:

    I was thinking about the A/C units just this morning. I have two zones, both around 12 years old, both functioning. For ha ha’s, I took a meat thermometer and stuck it in the vent to see what the temperature was coming out. It appears to be about 61 degrees. I remember an A/C guy telling me it should be around 57 degrees but then read online that the temp should be 20 degrees below the outside air temp. That doesn’t sound correct to me. I’ll search again but if anyone knows for sure, chime in.

  120. Phoenix says:

    Fast Eddie.

    One of my past careers. Used to be thirty degrees delta T maximum (change in temperature)
    Temp should be taken on inlet temp vs outlet temp, so in home return duct vs outlet duct.

    It can vary plenty from unit to unit. Usually 15-23 degrees different. But it’s not outside temp, its the inlet temp on the return duct.

    If you get too high of a number, you probably have low airflow which will lead to a frozen coil. (other things can cause frozen coils too)

    A/C units need a load to work properly. So when people close off room regulators to save money on a system not designed to do that it causes problems.

  121. Walking says:

    Fast, I’m not being a smart as, but if it’s seems cool in the house I would be ok with it. I would worry if it’s running all day and you are still at 80 degrees.

  122. Juice Box says:

    Eddie it’s easy to figure out Delta T of the evaporator coil, should be About 17° to 21° difference between the temp of the intake vents and the temp of the return vents.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDRhnKlzu_w

  123. Fast Eddie says:

    Thanks all, will check it out.

  124. Very Stable Genius says:

    “ Eight of the 10 states most dependent on the federal government were Republican-voting, with the average red state receiving $1.35 per dollar spent.”

  125. njtownhomer says:

    I replaced AC/furnace on my rental a month ago. Was lucky got it all under 7K. Most bids hit 10K level.

    It needs to be done right, by the right people. Unfortunately shit gets old after 15 yrs

  126. Bystander says:

    Genius,

    The vermin R don’t even hide their racism anymore. Just another “mis-speak” which the cult will say the Ds misinterpreted.

    U.S. Rep. Mary Miller immediately drew fierce backlash on social media and elsewhere at a Saturday night rally with former President Donald Trump when she credited him for the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade calling it a “victory for white life.”

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